Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal (Read 1744973 times)

ramset · « **Reply #1590 on:** April 17, 2015, 04:29:02 PM »

Nick Z
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I'm not here to discuss what you are claiming (with no proof at all), to all the members here to be nothing but "fakes".
Hoppy, as well as you MemoryMan, and others can start your own thread to fully discuss to your hearts content, what you think does not work as is being shown, and why that is so. You are entitled to your opinions. But, we are also entitled to freely test and experiment for similar self running results, in this Daly thread, without having to deal with guys constantly telling us everything that was ever made into a self runner is faked. Who's side are you on??? Not on the one that I'm on...
I don't agree that the second Akula video device does not work as is shown, even when checked out for X wires, or other unseen input sources, by witnesses. I aim to prove it for myself, and I'll leave it at that, as that is enough for me, and I'm not concerned about your mentioning that there are no self running device, nor that there ever have been.
Sorry guys, but I'm working on this, and YOU are disturbing this thread with more BS, as far as I'm concerned.
No further comments for me about you ideas of what is faked. Enough time wasted on that theme already.

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Nick this is the Barbosi Thread

NickZ · « **Reply #1591 on:** April 17, 2015, 04:51:20 PM »

MileHigh:
I'm also quite familiar with all of Itsu's test on the Akula/Ruslan replications. Which were not an exact replication of any of the two mentioned devices. Just look at the bulbs that he used. Are they similar to what Akula is using, or Ruslan. No? Why not? If I use those same wattage bulbs I wouldn't be able to light those bulbs to anywhere close the same lumin levels as when using 100 watt bulbs, or even higher wattage bulbs. As mentioned previously, I burnt out a 150 watt bulb, while 40 to 60 watt bulbs are barely lighting.
I don't have all the answers, and I'm still working on it, but I do feel that there is a relation between this thread and the Dally thread.
I also feel that Itsu was very close to hitting on it, but instead of continuing on, he left it all up in the air, at least for now. I do wish that he would get back on that project, I do miss his input, and love his clean and tidy work.

NickZ · « **Reply #1592 on:** April 17, 2015, 05:14:27 PM »

Ramset:
Thanks, I've already corrected that error with my last edit. I saw it a bit later, and took care of it.
The question was to point Memory man to ANY self runner. Which I won't get into, and therefore my answer.
Sorry for any cross threading, but the idea is that there may be a relation in the workings involved by these various circuits.

MileHigh · « **Reply #1593 on:** April 17, 2015, 08:25:28 PM »

Quote from: NickZ on April 17, 2015, 04:51:20 PM

MileHigh:
I'm also quite familiar with all of Itsu's test on the Akula/Ruslan replications. Which were not an exact replication of any of the two mentioned devices. Just look at the bulbs that he used. Are they similar to what Akula is using, or Ruslan. No? Why not? If I use those same wattage bulbs I wouldn't be able to light those bulbs to anywhere close the same lumin levels as when using 100 watt bulbs, or even higher wattage bulbs. As mentioned previously, I burnt out a 150 watt bulb, while 40 to 60 watt bulbs are barely lighting.
I don't have all the answers, and I'm still working on it, but I do feel that there is a relation between this thread and the Dally thread.
I also feel that Itsu was very close to hitting on it, but instead of continuing on, he left it all up in the air, at least for now. I do wish that he would get back on that project, I do miss his input, and love his clean and tidy work.

He didn't have the right light bulb?? You have got to be kidding.

Quote from Ariovaldo:

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Yes, I will do some more tests even knowing that in the original equipment didn't work with the original owner and didn't work with me. The original owner had a good grounding system but I didn't see how was the tests and connections. When I tried, my grounding was not good like they use to ask for.
The excuse that Barbosa gave to the original owner was the inductance in the primary was not right. The inductance was 0.21 Henries and was suppose to be between 0.6 and 0.8 Henries as I told before.

I will give you a possible explanation for all of this. Barbosa and Leal are criminals. They spent some money to make an advertizing banner and a promotional video clip. The method of operation was to get bank transfers with 100% up-front payment before delivering the device. They live near a junkyard where there are hundreds of old electric motor stators available. When they got an order they would get an old stator, wrap some wire around it, and then put it in a box and then power concrete and gravel into the box like some kind of "lead boot" potting compound.

Then we have "Phase II." Clarence has some psychological issues and he loves telling big stories and being the center of attention. He can lie about all sorts of things, but when asked to produce hard data that's a line he can't cross. You see, there is "colourful story" lying which in his mind is not really lying at all, and then there is outright lying where you state that you ran tests and recorded hard data but that did not take place. So he can't psychologically cross that line and make an outright lie, hence he avoids the question.

Then you have a real victim, the EF user Totoalas that is going to buy grounding rods and travel in Asia to get parts for a replication. What if he is just a guy of modest means and this is sucking all his money away from his family? Most of the people on EF are reading here. I don't for a second believe that all of you believe Clarence. Yet not a single one of you is advising caution to Totoalas, or even telling him publicly on the EF thread that you don't believe that Clarence's system works. I will remind all of you that it's 100% clear to me that Clarence knows next to nothing about electronics. That makes a lot of you stupid spineless bitches in my book.

MileHigh

MileHigh · « **Reply #1594 on:** April 17, 2015, 08:29:27 PM »

The questions are repeated again by Level on EF, will Clarence reply?

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Hello Clarence. No offense intended at all, but frankly, as I have mentioned before, all indications from what you have said previously here are that your system is not working as a self running device, so that is why I am throwing out some ideas, in case anyone who still wants to try to build and test with one of these setups wants to try some different arrangements to see if they can get the device to self run, since we don't really know how your own setup is actually performing.

You have actually provided very little test results information so far that anyone can look at to try to determine how your device is performing. If your setup was able to self run, I see no reason why you would not be willing to share some long term test results with everyone here, since all you would have to do is connect in a light bulb and then switch on the device and leave it running for 24 hours or more, while measuring the battery voltage periodically. Since you have so far ignored requests for such a simple test, I can only conclude that your setup doesn't self run. A simple test or two like this would help others here to see exactly how your setup performs in self loop mode for a reasonable duration of time. You should understand that until you provide these sort of performance details, there is no reason for anyone to think your setup is over unity.

So, it is not that people are not getting what you are saying. It is that you haven't provided important details about how your setup actually performs for anyone to try to assess if your device actually performs any better than if you just connect the battery and inverter alone to a light bulb and leave that running for a few hours. (http://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/wink.gif) People often make mistaken claims about free energy devices in these forums. We have probably all seen that many times. I am not saying I think you are definitely mistaken. I am saying that without you at least presenting some longer duration test results as described above, we have very little to go on. So that leaves you as just another guy saying he has a 'working' free energy device, but not giving anyone any practical test information that they can then evaluate.

Now, BroMikey or others, before you jump all over me, think about what I am saying. I don't think anything I am saying is too unreasonable at all. (http://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/thinking.gif) For those of us who don't know Clarence personally, we have no way of evaluating what he is saying unless he at least provides some practical performance test results. That is just a fact of the situation of communicating in forums of this type. (http://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/peaceflag.gif) Yes, Clarence could just make up some test results, but that is something we would have to look at and try to evaluate. (http://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif)

(http://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/cheers.gif) __________________
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MileHigh · « **Reply #1595 on:** April 17, 2015, 08:38:49 PM »

MarkS:

You talk a lot of fantasy world stuff on lots of threads, but on this thread I engaged with you. I followed up on your last big posting, but you would not reply and instead you ran away.

How about just answering this one:

MarkS: (o) I estimate that its absolute efficiency of the captor is only 1 to 2%

Me: What does efficiency mean here? If you don't define it it's meaningless.

Do you realize how abused the term "efficiency" is on the forums? How many hundreds of times have you read, "My pulse motor is very efficient?"

If people at least got it in their minds that that term has to have real meaning, then it would represent some progress.

So I ask you again, what do you mean when you state that you estimate the absolute efficiency of the captor is only 1% to 2%?

MileHigh

MileHigh · « **Reply #1596 on:** April 17, 2015, 08:52:25 PM »

At 2:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time on Friday April 17th, Clarence is on EF, and the request for hard data that was made by Level (for the second or third time) was probably posted a few hours ago.

skribat · « **Reply #1597 on:** April 17, 2015, 09:05:19 PM »

Quote from: MileHigh on April 17, 2015, 08:52:25 PM

At 2:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time on Friday April 17th, Clarence is on EF, and the request for hard data that was made by Level (for the second or third time) was probably posted a few hours ago.

Just because his computer is logged on doesn't mean he is there .. some people do the same with their TV and never watch it. .. sounds to many of us as if you're having a melt-down because you are being ignored.

Void · « **Reply #1598 on:** April 17, 2015, 09:34:12 PM »

Quote from: ramset on April 17, 2015, 04:29:02 PM

Nick this is the Barbosi Thread

and here I thought this was the Barbosa and Leal thread.

Not that anyone could tell either way at this point...

All the best...

MileHigh · « **Reply #1599 on:** April 17, 2015, 09:34:27 PM »

Well I don't know the parameters for EF but chances are if you are logged on and show no keyboard activity for XX minutes you are automatically logged out. I posted the graphic to rub it in and put Clarence on the spot, and some of the people around Clarence on the spot.

Ha ha to your ignorant comment. Ignoring stuff like presenting credible data is a mainstream activity on all of the free energy forums. Right now it's a commonly accepted practice. That's why my comments get ignored. If enough people show some spine and ask for real data, that could change. Clarence can put up or shut up, or there is probably just as good a chance that he will simply disappear.

Citfta:

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Oh my! level, you have done it now! You dared to ask for some proof a device does what it is claimed it does. Haven't you learned by now you can't do that on this forum? I can now predict exactly what will happen next. Instead of getting an answer about the technical questions you have raised you will be attacked on a personal level. Oh, sorry about the pun. It wasn't intended. But I have learned that when someone on here can't or doesn't want to answer a technical question they resort to personal attacks instead. That always makes me wonder what they are trying to hide. Are they hiding the fact they don't really know the answer or do they know but don't want anyone else to know because the answer is not good.

Good luck on getting a real answer. And remember when the personal attacks get boring, like the ranting of a 5 year old, you can always use the ignore button.

Sincerely,
Carroll

BroMikey:

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I am not offended, just wondering how you can equate your evaluation
of Clarence statement that his machine is a "self runner" as misinformation.
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Let's look at the data PLUS your statements. Your statement demands Clarence do other things that you think are absent in a way that has called him basically a liar.
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Fact three, each time you do this Clarence does not respond to you.

Are we catching on yet? Clarence is the authority here. You are challenging
that authority, okay fine. You want Clarence to show more data because otherwise you don't believe him.

Now I ask you, if you were the one giving this gift to your fellow experimenter friends and Clarence came along calling your gift a lie,
would you favor him? Would you go out of your way to see to it that even after the insults, that Clarence be treated as a special student?
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Okay IF Clarence did run 4-5hrs off his system and IF it is a self runner I need more data. Do you listen to yourself?

I am not worried about Clarence, he is a real man so fire your questions
but for goodness sakes listen to yourselves so you can talk rigth next time.
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What about it Clarence? Can you offer this young man any words of wisdom?

MileHigh · « **Reply #1600 on:** April 18, 2015, 01:18:46 AM »

Quote from: Void on April 17, 2015, 09:34:12 PM

and here I thought this was the Barbosa and Leal thread.
Not that anyone could tell either way at this point...
All the best...

At this point anybody is welcome to contribute to this thread, just like they always have been. My technical points have been made, do you have any comments about them? Wasn't it A.King25 that said there was a good technical discussion going on? (That's open to interpretation.)

I am going to say something that I will admit beforehand is quite a bit of a stretch. However, there is a kernel of truth to what I am going to say. Did you hear about the beating at the Brooklyn Flatbush McDonald's and how nobody tried to stop the fight and the girl was on the ground getting her head kicked in and nobody tried to stop it? In this day and age we can see clips of people being assaulted all the time, and very often nobody does anything. Sitting by and saying nothing while somebody makes a fake pitch with laughable electronics quackery in oder to take advantage of other people is related to the nasty stories we see in the news every day. Mile Brady drives a Lamborghini and for all you know some gullible person coughed up all of their life savings to pay for just a piece of that Lamborghini. There is a connection between the Clarence situation, Mike Brady, and standing around and watching a girl being beaten by thugs and saying nothing.

On the technical side, I am willing to bet you that Clarence, BroMikey, and the majority of people on the OU and the EF thread had no clue whatsoever that if the system was truly over unity and "power was coming up from the ground," then, by definition, the output voltage would have to be higher than the 120 VAC output of the inverter. That's because many people are not willing to look at the schematic and put their brains in gear and try to analyze it - they just accept what they are spoon-fed like sheep.

MileHigh

a.king21 · « **Reply #1601 on:** April 18, 2015, 01:36:57 PM »

Hmm you keep mentioning my posts....

Well this is just for you:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/fep01.htm

memoryman · « **Reply #1602 on:** April 18, 2015, 02:56:21 PM »

a.king21: so, where is a device that I can buy to produce significant electricity, 15 years after the article?

mscoffman · « **Reply #1603 on:** April 18, 2015, 03:18:01 PM »

If someone is adamant that the captor system can not work. I suggest that they build a version in the laboratory
where they use a high wattage dummy load resistance and a variac power supply to be the varying array input signal.
When wired correctly the various device input signals will slowly track voltage rises and current signals will match the
demand as translated from the battery charger and the inverter.

Approximate Goal to wire captor correctly...

If one inserts a ground system of the type that Clarence has into a utility ground
return path, one should expect *something* will happen. One would not expect
"nothing" to happen. That is some voltage and some current, i.e. some power,
at the internal impedance of the ground array will make itself available from the
array. By using a purpose built self adjusting ferrite transformer (aka ferorresonant
transformer) the circuit attached can become a (a)voltage regulator that is hold its
internal voltages relatively constant while the internal devices (battery charger + inverter)
can set their input current based on a function of their internal need. and (b) a mixer
that can modulate the 60hz reference signal carrier from the inverter onto slower
voltage waveform signals being received from the ground array independent of
source (telluric vs utility tail power) and can use these simultaneously if available.

I doubt if Clarence designed his successful captor but there are so few components
that a evolutionary circuit design could easily have taken place.

.S.MarkSCoffman

TinselKoala · « **Reply #1604 on:** April 18, 2015, 04:11:56 PM »

Quote from: NickZ on April 17, 2015, 12:49:05 AM

@ MileHigh, TK, and All:
Well, that's interesting, that 276 watts is coming from the "ground" or from somewhere.
Or, coming from the surrounding ambient, as Tesla mentions, and GOING to ground, instead???

Here (below) is an interesting quote from my friend muDped at the Energetic forum,
with whom I fully agree with, (most of the time anyway). Except on some religious matters,
which we all are have a right to have an opinion on, and don't always need agree on, or disagree with what
we can't prove, as yet.

muDped,
quote:
"Most manifestations of anomalous energy have no
Scientific explanation and in fact come from a source
which Science is unable to deal with. Scientific
instruments are unable to measure it even though its
effects are plainly visible and often felt.

The vast majority are not ready to admit that the source
of this mysterious energy is from outside our physical realm."
end quote.

That's pretty funny.

So "Science" is unable to deal with this "manifestation of anomalous energy", but an amateur pounding stakes into the ground and kludging together a couple thousand dollars worth of off-the-shelf inverters, chargers, and ferrite cores wound into a nonsensical configuration _can_ not only detect and deal with it, but can power his home with it?

That gets a ROFL for sure. Clearly written by someone who has only a straw-man idea of what "Science" _actually_ is and how it works.

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