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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1745830 times)

bringdownthezog

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1365 on: April 09, 2015, 11:31:06 AM »
Okay so I looked at the simplified schematic.  I marked it up and attached it.

Look, I see this:

Battery -> Inverter -> (load and smart charger) -> back to the battery.

The conductivity between the "Ground Grid Input" and the "Ground Grid Return" is going to be very high and you can treat it as a short circuit.

I have no clue what the pair of toroids is supposed to do and the connections are "strange" but it doesn't really matter. 

Connect a shorted coil across a toroid and see for yourself. If you cannot understand the basics you won't be taken seriously.

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The output of the sine wave inverter is directly connected to the input of the smart charger.  The funky toroids may as well not even be there.  Anybody that truly understands electronics would see this right away.  This is the old tired, "battery connected to the charger connected to he battery" nonsense.

It's only absurd if your preconceived notions have blinded you.  That sounds like something you would say to me, no?

MileHigh

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1366 on: April 09, 2015, 11:34:43 AM »
Void:

I would agree with your posting about some folks here just want to experiment as a hobby.  I do not recall any posts of MH calling anyone down for doing that.  What gets folks like him, TK, MarkE, myself, and many others perturbed is when someone makes a claim of self-running, O.U., free energy, etc with no basis for doing so. 
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I have no problem with someone calling for data to support a claim. I really enjoy the way that Gyula & Mags do this. They are polite and in my experience try to point out potential measuremnet errors without being arrogant or disdainful or abusive. Not pointing fingers! I just think we lose a lot of constructive discussion here as so many threads end up in abuse on all sides. I guess it would be nice if we could just be respectful of each other and avoid feeding any troll like behaviour.

tinman

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1367 on: April 09, 2015, 11:38:20 AM »
Hey, Did you figure out the magnet is causing the oscillation? Change the magnet and you'll get another frequency. Here's your chance to change the title of the video from 'unknown source' and actually do something useful  ;D
Lol-no,incorrect-->but who am i to spoil your fun.

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Connect a shorted coil across a toroid and see for yourself. If you cannot understand the basics you won't be taken seriously.

Lol,you get a big induction heater,as one person here that has built the wonder transformer found out lol.

bringdownthezog

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1368 on: April 09, 2015, 12:02:23 PM »
Lol-no,incorrect-->but who am i to spoil your fun.

Lol,you get a big induction heater,as one person here that has built the wonder transformer found out lol.

Where's your data ? Bhawwhahaha

Void

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1369 on: April 09, 2015, 01:39:10 PM »
Void:
I would agree with your posting about some folks here just want to experiment as a hobby.  I do not recall any posts of MH calling anyone down for doing that.  What gets folks like him, TK, MarkE, myself, and many others perturbed is when someone makes a claim of self-running, O.U., free energy, etc with no basis for doing so.  Then, when someone asks for some data, or dare I say "proof' of these claims, the insults start flying.  Your hobbyist experimenter is now really put out that anyone might dare ask for such a thing.  So put out, in fact, that they pack up their marbles and go home.  Then, others claim that world would now have free energy if only such a question were not asked.  The inquisitor is now blamed for depriving the world of yet another free energy device.
I have seen this happen waaaay to many times here...following exactly the script as written above.

Hi Pirate88179. I am sorry, but what you are saying is nonsense. I am sure at some level you may
actually believe such things, but it really is just nonsense. The people such as you mentioned often make
very rude and condescending statements and then claim that all they have been doing is so innocently 'asking
for some data', as you also say. This is not a formal peer reviewed scientific journal/forum, no matter what some people
here may imagine. No one is under any obligation here to supply any 'data' just because some full of them self person is
demanding it. I have seen time and time again where certain people here are making all sorts of arrogant and insulting
statements and unsupported accusations, and then when someone asks them to stop or gets annoyed with them, these
people gang up on that person and say how dare you attack us innocent people who have only been asking for a little data.
Who do you think you are fooling?

Some other people here have a technical background but do not get upset in the slightest if people do
not 'present data' or 'show proper measurements' or whatever else. Why is that? It is because they do not
have any investment in belief about whether over unity is possible or not. If I had a strong belief or inclination
that over unity was impossible, then I might also be motivated to start going around insulting and goading people
and 'demanding data' from people, and accusing all sorts of people of being frauds and scammers and what have
you even though I don't have any actual evidence to support such a claim. This is the way people commonly
act when they are trying to support a belief that is important to their world view. It is all about protecting a world view,
and in reality such behavior typically has little to do with just having an interest in seeing some 'data'.

When I see that people are making statements that they can't really support, I either just move on or
just point out that without some more clearly done experiments or proper measurements or whatever that
there is no way to see what is really going on there. If the person responds well to the suggestion, then great,
if they don't, then no worries, that is their own prerogative. Again, because I don't have any world view
that is threatened by someone making some claims about over unity, I have no motivation whatsoever
to start insulting such people or insinuating that they are frauds or idiots or anything else. That is what
it really boils down to in these informal discussion forums, and anyone who suggests otherwise is either
very dishonest, or very out of touch with reality.

Enough with the jihadism already. ;) All a person has to do is politely point out once that they don't think
there is sufficient reason to come to a conclusion that someone may have come to, and point out why they
think that, and if people are interested in their further opinions and advice they will ask for it. Let people learn
in their own way. The world will not end if people make some unsupported statements or make some improper
measurements. Not at all. :)

All the best...


Void

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1370 on: April 09, 2015, 01:41:56 PM »
Void:
So do you now feel empowered with some sort of license to bash me?  Does it make you feel good?  Should Chet check you and explain the error of your ways?  Those are just rhetorical questions.

Typical very dishonest response. You come in insulting and making all sorts of arrogant and condescending
statements, and when someone points it out and asks you to stop, you claim you are just so innocent and
are being unjustly attacked. Sorry, but you are not fooling anyone except the foolish.

ramset

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1371 on: April 09, 2015, 02:11:14 PM »
I can't find the hatchet anywhere.....?

But we gotta bury something around here ??

maybe a few ground rods?    :o

Void
maybe we can draw a line in the sand and move forward....
Tooo much nasty been floating around ,...while I have seen much worse
its time to turn the page .

PLEASE ??

lets prepare a feast for Clarence the Great ...?
FESTIVAS...

for his return !!

besides that we have the good news that the Scopes arrived yesterday for the experimenters
and to be clear... its a good day .

thanks again to the contributors ..

Chet K






Void

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1372 on: April 09, 2015, 02:35:30 PM »
I can't find the hatchet anywhere.....?

But we gotta bury something around here ??

maybe a few ground rods?    :o

Void
maybe we can draw a line in the sand and move forward....
Tooo much nasty been floating around ,...while I have seen much worse
its time to turn the page .

PLEASE ??

lets prepare a feast for Clarence the Great ...?
FESTIVAS...

for his return !!

ramset. I had asked MileHigh a few times nicely to stop his insults and condescending nonsense and he continues on and on, and
then now someone else steps in and claims that MileHigh is just innocently asking for some data. That is nonsense and needed
to be addressed. This sort of thing is happening much too often here. As I mentioned a few of us were doing just fine
here following along with Clarence's experiments and also giving a few suggestions here and there. MileHigh and a couple others
came in and started making insulting and very uninformed statements etc. When asked politely to stop with the nonsense MileHigh
just continued on with the trolling. I usually don't say too much about such things, but this sort of thing is going way too far here. It
is often becoming almost impossible to carry on any sort of meaningful discussion without various arrogant a-holes stepping in and
trolling with the very obvious intent of disrupting any further meaningful discussion and experiments. We were
doing perfectly fine without it. I also don't understand your jabs about Clarence. No one was putting him up on a pedestal.
We were just following along with his experiments and discussing a bit. Whether Clarence's enthusiasm that his device
was over unity would have actually panned out or not remained to be seen, and we were close to seeing that testing
being done, with Clarence putting in his last set of ground rods. Now I guess we may possibly not ever know the results
of those tests. Clearly MileHigh's and a few others 'assistance' here was not at all constructive. So much for this
being a place where people can constructively discuss over unity ideas and experiments and theories, etc. without being harassed. ;)
I have nothing at all against some constructive input and criticism where warranted, if done respectfully, but
what is often going here is far from that.

All the best...

ramset

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1373 on: April 09, 2015, 02:45:59 PM »
I'm not jabbing at Clarence,I truly want to hear what he has to offer, Humor has always been
a tool to calm the beast... and cause a pause...
to reflect on whats really important.
I suspect that Clarence has a good sense of humor .

I truly hope That He will give Pause and a thought to what really matters and come back and share his findings here.

respectfully

Chet

 

MileHigh

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1374 on: April 09, 2015, 03:26:09 PM »
Typical very dishonest response. You come in insulting and making all sorts of arrogant and condescending
statements, and when someone points it out and asks you to stop, you claim you are just so innocent and
are being unjustly attacked. Sorry, but you are not fooling anyone except the foolish.

You can stop trying to portray me as some kind of demon because it is not true.  Yes, I saw the discussion and how out of whack it was and how it's something I have have seen many times before.  With some righteous indignation I lashed out a bit and I admitted it.  But to say I am "arrogant and condescending" is not true.  Then I picked up on the technical side and offered some realistic analysis of the setup and offered some important measurement suggestions.  But there were almost no comments to speak of.

You ignored my challenges to you to justify some of your name-calling to me.

Listen, I can get frustrated because you are a bunch of grown men, and you were having a discussion that was pure pseudo-technology and fantasy.  In essence none of it was real.  So a little shake-up can do something good sometimes.  Like, guys, it's time to wake up!

I am not trying to "fool anybody."  I am as real and you can get and I speak the truth.  I have spoken the truth about this project.  If you can't deal with it then you should try to understand where I am coming from.

I have seen so many cases like this where a bunch of people are being led on by somebody and at the end it's a total fail.  The people say, "Oh well, time to move on, but I 'learned something.'"  The problem is they never say what they learned.  It would not be too unfair to say they were acting like sheep.

Just for fun, we can look at the EMJukie case one more time.  Within short order I knew that his pitch was a farce.  But he stuck to his guns and was very arrogant about his so-called technical prowess with five or more years of experience on his bench, running a website, etc.  I challenged him to solve a question about a circuit with only one component and a power supply.  He was so sure of himself that he could answer the question.  But he failed to do that, he failed miserably.  He puffed out his chest and tried all different kinds of responses but he hadn't the slightest clue about what he was talking about with respect to the question.  Unfortunately, Clarence is almost certainly in the same boat.  He wouldn't stand a chance of answering a question about an electronic circuit that contains one single component.  When someone is refusing to provide any credible data and suggests that you spend a thousand or more dollars and dig up your back yard to replicate, that takes some real balls when you have nothing.  So that merits some push-back.

Hey, if you want to be a bunch of grown men led around by somebody that clearly and plain-as-day doesn't know what he is talking about, then that's your choice.  But the stark reality was pointed out to you and you can take it or leave it.  It's not being arrogant or condescending on my part, I am just telling you the truth, even if it is a bit harsh.

MileHigh

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1375 on: April 09, 2015, 03:29:46 PM »
Connect a shorted coil across a toroid and see for yourself. If you cannot understand the basics you won't be taken seriously.

Your comment is laughable Bringdown.  You have tried a few times to pretend that I don't know anything.  The problem is that I have been around for a long time and my "technical street cred" is fully established.

Void

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1376 on: April 09, 2015, 03:35:04 PM »
Hey, if you want to be a bunch of grown men led around by somebody that clearly and plain-as-day doesn't know what he is talking about, then that's your choice. 
But the stark reality was pointed out to you and you can take it or leave it.  It's not being arrogant or condescending on my part, I am just telling you the truth,
even if it is a bit harsh.
MileHigh

MileHigh. No one was being led around by somebody. That is a complete fabrication on your part.
Do you have no self respect whatsoever? Just because people aren't jumping all over someone and insulting
them, it doesn't mean that they are blindly following someone. At any rate nothing even remotely like you are
claiming was happening here. You are either extremely dishonest or very out of touch with reality. For the last time,
please stop your trolling here. You have done nothing but disrupt the discussions that were going on here.


MileHigh

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1377 on: April 09, 2015, 04:06:39 PM »
I'm not trolling Void, the points I made are legitimate and worth consideration.

Let's look at the case of the grounding rods.  Clarence said something like you needed 20 grounding rods, then 30, then 40.  You had to bury the cables in the ground and then bring them all together to make the "common ground input" ground tie point.

What's the difference between having 20 grounding rods and 40 grounding rods for the "common ground input."  Did anybody ask that question?  I don't think anybody did.  I think Clarence said that more grounding rods increased his voltage measurement.  Since there is no logical reason for there to be a difference between 20 grounding rods and 40 grounding rods you have to wonder.  Since there is no logical reason for some kind of voltage measurement to increase you have to wonder.  Precisely what voltage was he measuring and did he demonstrate that?  I don't think he did, he just made a text claim.  Why in God's name would you have to bury all the cables?  What's the difference if the cables aren't buried?   The real answer is that the difference is zero.

So you end up with a whole backyard full of grounding rods, 40 of them are the "ground grid input" and five of them are the "ground grid return."  Why?  Is there really any difference between the "ground grid input" and the "ground grid return" considering that they are all essentially identical grounding rods stuck in the ground?  And what about your back yard?  Can you envision your wife after four months telling you to dig up that foolishness and return your back yard to normalcy?

That's just an example of a discussion that should take place in my opinion.  Instead you get "Big Fish" stories about how from week to week you need more and more grounding rods.

MileHigh

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1378 on: April 09, 2015, 04:14:10 PM »
So endith any chance of any further constructive discussion here. ;)



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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1379 on: April 09, 2015, 04:30:52 PM »
Your comment is laughable Bringdown.  You have tried a few times to pretend that I don't know anything.  The problem is that I have been around for a long time and my "technical street cred" is fully established.

You have nothing to show yet again. You are talking about a device which you know nothing about. What a waste of time you are. It's a good thing Clarence is not responding to your questions.