Author Topic: Self-Runner NS Coil Pulse Motor Live Video Stream. It's been going for months! (Read 187972 times)

dllabarre · « **Reply #330 on:** September 14, 2010, 05:11:41 AM »

Quote from: IotaYodi on September 14, 2010, 04:26:15 AM

@dllabarre

Interesting stuff with the Faraday.

Thanks for the info dllabarre!

I hope I answered some of your questions with my recent tests.

DonL

dllabarre · « **Reply #331 on:** September 14, 2010, 06:16:30 AM »

WOW!

I removed enamel insulated copper wire, covered steel wire with cotton, added bare copper wire 18 awg between steel wire.

Below I show the original readings from the previous wind style and next to them the new readings in bold from the new wind style.

Dry:
2.5mV (milli-volt) connected to steel and copper now .735Volt huge difference
If I connect to both steel wires or both copper wires then I get zero volts as expected.

steel wire 1.3 ohm 1.7 ohm similar readings
copper wire .5 ohm .7 ohm

Dry:
Inductance: steel 463.0uH, copper 451.3uH
185.0uH, 127.0uH
Wet:
Inductance: steel 518.9uH, copper 493.4uH
182.6uH, 125.9uH

Wet Voltage:
.812V .801V huge difference
.510V at first but dropped to .364V after 2 minutes

Initial observation is "more Cotton means more voltage".

DonL

Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #332 on:** September 14, 2010, 06:43:07 AM »

Quote from: dllabarre on September 14, 2010, 06:16:30 AM

WOW!

I removed enamel insulated copper wire, covered steel wire with cotton, added bare copper wire 18 awg between steel wire.

Hi DonL

Did you 'strip' the copper bare - or did you simply leave it with its usual coatings?

Regards,
Rosemary

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #333 on:** September 14, 2010, 06:57:28 AM »

Quote from: dllabarre on September 14, 2010, 05:09:14 AM

Don't say "nobody".

I saw it just after he posted it.
I make it a point to start reading the posts where I left off the day before.
I search by time of posts until I find the last one I read the day before and start there. Sometimes I have to go back 3-5 pages to get to where I left off.

DonL

Don:

You don't have to do it like that. Just select "Show replies to your posts" from the menu at the top left of any page and it will show all of the topics you posted in, and when you select a topic, it will take to right where you had left off. This way, you will not miss any posts in any topics you have posted in and are following.

I hope this helps. Nice work on your experiments.

Bill

dllabarre · « **Reply #334 on:** September 14, 2010, 06:59:54 AM »

Quote from: Rosemary Ainslie on September 14, 2010, 06:43:07 AM

Hi DonL

Did you 'strip' the copper bare - or did you simply leave it with its usual coatings?

Regards,
Rosemary

I removed the enamel insulated copper wire from my coil.
Then covered the remaining bare gal steel wire with a piece of cotton.
Then wound new bare copper wire 18 awg between steel wire windings (insulated from each other with the new piece of cotton).

This was my original plan to determine if enamel insulated copper wire could replace cotton insulated copper wire.
So far it cannot.
Two things changed.
1) I changed from enamel insulated copper wire to bare copper wire
2) I added cotton between the bare gal. steel wire and the new bare copper wire thus increasing the cotton in the coil thus increasing the water retained.

More testing is needed.

DonL

PS - it's been almost 2 hours and my coil is reading .798V down just a little from .812V... A lot better then the first coil.

dllabarre · « **Reply #335 on:** September 14, 2010, 07:04:26 AM »

Quote from: Pirate88179 on September 14, 2010, 06:57:28 AM

Don:

You don't have to do it like that. Just select "Show replies to your posts" from the menu at the top left of any page and it will show all of the topics you posted in, and when you select a topic, it will take to right where you had left off. This way, you will not miss any posts in any topics you have posted in and are following.

I hope this helps. Nice work on your experiments.

Bill

That's awesome....

Thanks Bill

DonL

Magneticitist · « **Reply #336 on:** September 14, 2010, 08:27:09 AM »

@rosemary that sounds similar to my belief that all mass has alternating current and the rate at which this current alternates within the mass is relative to its mass and density. the vibrations in all matter signify to me a non linear or non directional movement. the magnetic poles, opposite ends of the same extreme, as all things are, are in perfect balance within mass with no directional or linear movement. i think if a vibrating piece of matter at rest were to have one of its energetic "poles" removed, it would physically travel in that direction. so rather than "pushing" on an object i suppose we are actually pulling away its ability to resist.
alot of energy is exerted when destroying dense matter and likewise the same amount of energy is released from the matter. we know this is true because we hear sound from friction.

i think when we move the rotor we are actually offsetting one of its alternating poles, dependent upon the relative direction we interact with it, and release some of its mass energy in the opposite direction as it tries to compensate and restore balance. i think we are providing an "S" for its "N" to travel to so to speak. to me all of this is relevant to our comprehension of time and space.

far as electrons, i like your theory, except I have never managed to fully grasp the idea of the electron or proton or any of these subatomics.
it has always seemed clear to me magnetism is the inverse of electricity and vice versa in the yin yang of things. likewise N and S, positive and negative, inverse directions of each other exactly. we also have current which is heat and voltage which is cold. but hot and cold are just opposites of the same extreme so "hot" and "cold" are flowing down the same "wire" if that makes any sense.

so my understanding of the two (non-textbook conformed of course) is that if an N pole is the exact opposite of an S pole, then positive should be the exact opposite of a negative. electrons are not conventionally explained to be the exact opposite of the proton, whom both are conventionally explained as positive and negative.
to be honest the electron proton positron neutron graviton all seem like bunch of nonsense to me and a huge complication of something alot more simple. we have charge, fields, and gravity. i think the charge and the field oscillate which creates the third force of gravity, similar to the third force in a gyro when spun AND moved axially.

these of course are just my insane theories =)

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #337 on:** September 14, 2010, 08:41:19 AM »

Gravity, supposedly according to current accepted theory, is made up of a single particle called a graviton. The more mass a body has, the more gravitons it has and therefore the larger its gravitational field. IE, the moon vs the earth.

Now, in some respects, this appears to me to be a dirty way of explaining observed phenomena. But, I do think it is related to mass in some way. Does the graviton really exist? I have no idea. But, mass does exist and the more mass, the larger the gravitational field so, what are we left with?

Magnetism and electricity may indeed mess with the gravitational field but possibly no more than it would with any other form of mass? I do not think that electricity and magnetism are directly related to gravity itself in its most fundamental form, graviton or not.

Bill

Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #338 on:** September 14, 2010, 10:33:29 AM »

Quote from: Pirate88179 on September 14, 2010, 08:41:19 AM

Gravity, supposedly according to current accepted theory, is made up of a single particle called a graviton. The more mass a body has, the more gravitons it has and therefore the larger its gravitational field. IE, the moon vs the earth.

Now, in some respects, this appears to me to be a dirty way of explaining observed phenomena. But, I do think it is related to mass in some way. Does the graviton really exist? I have no idea. But, mass does exist and the more mass, the larger the gravitational field so, what are we left with?

Magnetism and electricity may indeed mess with the gravitational field but possibly no more than it would with any other form of mass? I do not think that electricity and magnetism are directly related to gravity itself in its most fundamental form, graviton or not.

Bill

Hi Pirate. I think our classicists look for a particle of sorts to be the exchange carrier. At this stage the electron - well known - is attributed to the electromagnetic force and - as you say the graviton to gravity. But the graviton has NEVER been seen and is only theorised. The only particles that are known to be stable are the proton - electron and photon. All others have a limited life. And the graviton like the quark and even the 'dark particle' are all theoretically required - never observed. Most classicists subscribe to the graviton and very few to the required 'dark matter'. Those that DO uphold the dark matter particle are mostly astophysicists and string theorists.

But there are no known answers to this and none of the above particles account for the Casimir effect - or the mass/size ratio of the proton to the electron - or to the actual charge carrier of current flow (albeit that some use the electron) together with a host of inexplicable paradoxes in physics. All these questions have effectively been asked since the turn of the century and STILL NO ANSWERS. At least our dark matter theorists and string theorists subscribe to some kind of aether. But they NEVER actually refer to it as AETHER. That's simply politically incorrect. LOL

Bill, I'd be very glad to get a better idea of the earth battery and the work you guys have been doing on the Joule Thief. Is there any way you could give a brief overview. If it's a huge ask then I'll just plough through the thread and see if I can make sense of it.

Kindest regards,
Rosie

Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #339 on:** September 14, 2010, 11:41:49 AM »

Quote from: Magneticitist on September 14, 2010, 08:27:09 AM

@rosemary that sounds similar to my belief that all mass has alternating current and the rate at which this current alternates within the mass is relative to its mass and density. the vibrations in all matter signify to me a non linear or non directional movement. the magnetic poles, opposite ends of the same extreme, as all things are, are in perfect balance within mass with no directional or linear movement. i think if a vibrating piece of matter at rest were to have one of its energetic "poles" removed, it would physically travel in that direction. so rather than "pushing" on an object i suppose we are actually pulling away its ability to resist.
alot of energy is exerted when destroying dense matter and likewise the same amount of energy is released from the matter. we know this is true because we hear sound from friction.

i think when we move the rotor we are actually offsetting one of its alternating poles, dependent upon the relative direction we interact with it, and release some of its mass energy in the opposite direction as it tries to compensate and restore balance. i think we are providing an "S" for its "N" to travel to so to speak. to me all of this is relevant to our comprehension of time and space.

far as electrons, i like your theory, except I have never managed to fully grasp the idea of the electron or proton or any of these subatomics.
it has always seemed clear to me magnetism is the inverse of electricity and vice versa in the yin yang of things. likewise N and S, positive and negative, inverse directions of each other exactly. we also have current which is heat and voltage which is cold. but hot and cold are just opposites of the same extreme so "hot" and "cold" are flowing down the same "wire" if that makes any sense.

so my understanding of the two (non-textbook conformed of course) is that if an N pole is the exact opposite of an S pole, then positive should be the exact opposite of a negative. electrons are not conventionally explained to be the exact opposite of the proton, whom both are conventionally explained as positive and negative.
to be honest the electron proton positron neutron graviton all seem like bunch of nonsense to me and a huge complication of something alot more simple. we have charge, fields, and gravity. i think the charge and the field oscillate which creates the third force of gravity, similar to the third force in a gyro when spun AND moved axially.

these of course are just my insane theories =)

LOL Magneticitist - we NONE of us know. And I'm entirely satisfied that anyone's model is OK provided it gives the predicted result. The hell of it is to try and understand those things that are NOT that usual - like current flow from two metals and nothing else. It's begging answers. And I'm an obsessive compulsive when it comes to questions.

Take care,
Kindest regards,
Rosemary

Magneticitist · « **Reply #340 on:** September 14, 2010, 12:56:32 PM »

i suppose i satisfy myself with Tesla's interpretation, though as pointed out none of it can truly be confirmed as of yet. I have to agree that Mass and energy are relative as opposed to mass and "distance", and this energy is aetherically received into the mass, from an inexhaustible supply, at a frequency relative to its mass and density. however somehow i dont think this mass and density is in any way tied together with "weight", otherwise Jupiter wouldn't have such a strong gravity supposedly.
the casimir effect... i always thought that was a "static thing".. i'd think small enough plates when near each other would find some way to attract to each other similar to a piece of dust traveling to and clinging to a shirt. the dust wouldn't do that if electrostatic charge was not affecting it atmospherically.
similarly a proportionally dust-sized meteor compared to the earth would try to "cling" if it was sucked in by our gravity. i guess thats how i look at it..
or maybe Leedskalnin was right and all of our celestial bodies have simply balanced out a perfect oscillation between their magnetic fields, and if it werent for that balance the "moon would fall" to earth.

i think lorentz is one of the major physics terms that doesn't make a whole lot of sense and needs to be analyzed more.. to me "lorentz" is the perfect example of what rosemary was saying earlier about balance and offsetting it.

dllabarre · « **Reply #341 on:** September 14, 2010, 01:47:08 PM »

After sitting for 9 hours since the last wetting, my new coil is at .790V vs 6mV for the first coil after sitting 8 hours.

DonL

Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #342 on:** September 14, 2010, 04:01:53 PM »

Hi Sandy,

Nice to see you here.

Quote from: nul-points on September 14, 2010, 05:07:23 AM

hi all
- electron tunneling
i've read about the generation of charge separation due to to surface electrons 'tunneling' through a thin layer of insulator/dielectric to escape from a metallic surface, and then being unable to return because they were removed or captured either by air molecules or to another metal beyond the air-gap,

effect increases with heat, plates/sheets of dissimilar metals (few cm^2 area); the test results i read were for aluminium/ copper; effect can still occur with like metals, but reduced intensity; pressure was applied to get an optimum spacing between the metals - effect peaked at some pressure; some effort was made to 'dry-out' the test

sounds familiar? - would be interesting to see if the rigs here can sustain an increased voltage at an elevated temperature for some period - preferably shielded - eg, old electric oven on lowish temp (40-50*C?)

Good point. I'll try it when I've built mine.

Quote from: nul-points on September 14, 2010, 05:07:23 AM

- some crystals (eg. Rochelle salt) can be used as a dielectric for increased capacitance
i've read that this material quite strongly exhibits the 'dielectric adsorption' effect - anomalous self-increase of voltage in a capacitor arrangement - thought to be related to previous charge on the cap, but my results show otherwise! could the common salt be adding a slight amount of this effect to whatever else is happening here?

We've considered this. Certainly it's been used in Laser's early video posted here. But you'll note that in his multiple coil arrangement that the 'effect' is lost when initially dampened with saline solutions. So. If it's the salt then it also needs to be drying or dried. Not sure yet.

Quote from: nul-points on September 14, 2010, 05:07:23 AM

Magneticist (& others?) - you might be interested to read about some of the anomalous capacitor effects which i've recorded in a PDF - see the 'Secret Life of Capacitors' thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9393.msg247816#msg247816

Thanks for the link.

Regards
Rosemary

Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #343 on:** September 14, 2010, 04:12:18 PM »

Quote from: dllabarre on September 14, 2010, 06:59:54 AM

I removed the enamel insulated copper wire from my coil.
Then covered the remaining bare gal steel wire with a piece of cotton.
Then wound new bare copper wire 18 awg between steel wire windings (insulated from each other with the new piece of cotton).

This was my original plan to determine if enamel insulated copper wire could replace cotton insulated copper wire.
So far it cannot.
Two things changed.
1) I changed from enamel insulated copper wire to bare copper wire
2) I added cotton between the bare gal. steel wire and the new bare copper wire thus increasing the cotton in the coil thus increasing the water retained.

More testing is needed.

DonL

PS - it's been almost 2 hours and my coil is reading .798V down just a little from .812V... A lot better then the first coil.

Thanks Don. My question is this. If you've replaced the enameled copper with 'bare' copper wire - then how do you know it's the increased cotton and not the cleaner copper wiring that's responsible for the increased voltage? And what was the effect on the inductance/conductance with and without actually wetting the cotton? Did you do that test number with the compas?

Apologies for all the questions. Fact is I think I just need to get my own up and running. I've borrowed a winch so that I can clean off the copper wire I've got and should be able to start winding everything tomorrow. Can't wait.

Regards,
Rosemary

Sorry Don - and in your last post here. Was the coil 9 hours later also substantially drier - or is it still wet?

dllabarre · « **Reply #344 on:** September 14, 2010, 05:10:40 PM »

Quote from: Rosemary Ainslie on September 14, 2010, 04:12:18 PM

If you've replaced the enameled copper with 'bare' copper wire - then how do you know it's the increased cotton and not the cleaner copper wiring that's responsible for the increased voltage? And what was the effect on the inductance/conductance with and without actually wetting the cotton? Did you do that test number with the compas?

Sorry Don - and in your last post here. Was the coil 9 hours later also substantially drier - or is it still wet?

I don't know what caused the increased voltage.

Two things changed.
1) I changed from enamel insulated copper wire to bare copper wire
2) I added cotton between the bare gal. steel wire and the new bare copper wire thus increasing the cotton in the coil thus increasing the water retained.

Being 2 things changed I don't know which one or both caused the increase voltage.

I can't see or feel inside the coil so I don't know how dry/wet it was after 9 hours sitting there. It must have been dryer because things have a tendency to dry out when they are in a warm dry environment.

It's still sitting there and I will test it again when I get home.
I know it will be dryer then it was this morning but I don't know how much dryer.

I'm not sure of what you're asking here:
"And what was the effect on the inductance/conductance with and without actually wetting the cotton?"
My inductance measurements are done with an inductance meter.
The compass movement is a lot stronger after wetting this coil then before but only on one end of the coil. The end of the coil where my windings end. South end. But a little off center of the coil like where LaserSaber positions his rotor. It's really amazing how strong the compass moves in this one spot. You'll have to build one to really understand this concept.

DonL

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