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Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #375 on:** September 15, 2010, 08:02:42 PM »

Hi all

I couldn't get access to our lab as there was a mix up with keys. Hopefully tomorrow. Meanwhile I improvised on the base for the bobbin and constructed my own with plastic putty. Am still stripping wire but hope to have a couple of windings done before I crash.

Here's the record.

Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #376 on:** September 15, 2010, 08:09:17 PM »

sorry guys. Usual errors with the downloads and I can't seem to delete the duplications. I'll try this again.

Ted Ewert · « **Reply #377 on:** September 16, 2010, 12:01:05 AM »

Finished it, it took forever to wind. I used about 200 feet of both copper and steel 20awg wire.
The dry voltage across the coil was .69 volts with the copper positive. Current was a minuscule 40 ua.
I sprayed it with some tap water, which got about a third of the layers wet, and the voltage went up to .75 volts. The current jumped up to 19 ma.
The current and voltage were unaffected by inserting an iron core into the coil. The iron did polarized and would deflect a compass at either end. However, I couldn't get any response from either the compass or a piece of steel wire when I shorted the coil.
I'm not used to these low power devices. If I fire one of my motor coils up on the bench, I get all kinds of metal crap flying around.
Anyway, I decided to soak it in salt water and see how it worked after that. It currently reads .82 volts at a respectable 85ma soaking wet. I'll dry it out and see if those values hold up.

Cheers,

Ted

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #378 on:** September 16, 2010, 12:21:29 AM »

Very nice build! Hey, 85 mA's is a great power output in my opinion. I think it would have been cool to bury it in the ground before adding the salt but, too late for that. All of my coils went up in power and volts when in the ground, for what that is worth.

Of course, to replicate what Laser is doing I believe you are right on the money here.

Again, very nice job.

Bill

Ted Ewert · « **Reply #379 on:** September 16, 2010, 01:29:24 AM »

Quote from: Pirate88179 on September 16, 2010, 12:21:29 AM

Very nice build! Hey, 85 mA's is a great power output in my opinion. I think it would have been cool to bury it in the ground before adding the salt but, too late for that. All of my coils went up in power and volts when in the ground, for what that is worth.

Of course, to replicate what Laser is doing I believe you are right on the money here.

Again, very nice job.

Bill

Thanks Bill. These things are weird. When I shorted the two ends of the copper together and short the two steel ends, the current between the two went up to 106ma. Instantaneous current is over 200ma, then it drops down to a steady 106.
I couldn't detect any solenoidal pull either. A steel rod partially out of the center exhibits no detectable movement when the leads are shorted, even when balanced on a very soft spring. This indicates little or no net current flow in one direction, which would be keeping with two generators (the two wires) pushing current in opposite directions. But then how do we get a polarity on the steel? A slight imbalance maybe?
I'm not really sure anymore how Laser's motor is running either. Perhaps there's some inductance from the spinning magnets that dictates polarity? I'll have to think about it.

Cheers,

Ted

dllabarre · « **Reply #380 on:** September 16, 2010, 01:30:26 AM »

7:00 PM Yesterday
I wrapped an additional layer of cotton around the outside of my 2nd coil build (on top of bare copper wire).
soaked the coil in water for 2 minutes,
wrapped plastic around the coil to possibly slow down the drying out effect.

readings over past 24 hours:
.927V 7:05PM (didn't take A readings)

.935V 7:49PM (didn't take A readings)

.775V 10:15PM 9mA
.658V 6:44AM 6mA
.614V 3:29PM 4mA
.586V 7:23PM 3mA

I unwrapped the plastic, checked the outside wrap of cotton and it is still wet, wrapped the plastic back on.

DonL

PS: I shorted my copper to copper and steel to steel like Ted did and my amps went down but my voltage went straight up from .586V to over .720V in less than 1 minute. The voltage is settling in around .735 after 3 minutes.

Weird is the word

Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #381 on:** September 16, 2010, 01:59:03 AM »

Quote from: Ted Ewert on September 16, 2010, 12:01:05 AM

Finished it, it took forever to wind. I used about 200 feet of both copper and steel 20awg wire.
The dry voltage across the coil was .69 volts with the copper positive. Current was a minuscule 40 ua.
I sprayed it with some tap water, which got about a third of the layers wet, and the voltage went up to .75 volts. The current jumped up to 19 ma.
The current and voltage were unaffected by inserting an iron core into the coil. The iron did polarized and would deflect a compass at either end. However, I couldn't get any response from either the compass or a piece of steel wire when I shorted the coil.
I'm not used to these low power devices. If I fire one of my motor coils up on the bench, I get all kinds of metal crap flying around.
Anyway, I decided to soak it in salt water and see how it worked after that. It currently reads .82 volts at a respectable 85ma soaking wet. I'll dry it out and see if those values hold up.

Cheers,

Ted

Hi Ted. I'm so jealous. I've spent the evening winding about 1.5 inches - a quarter of the required. My fingers are 'black' - my eyes exhausted - and I've lost the bobbin holder twice. The one time it flew off and cracked - AAGH. Fortunately I had another spare. But WHY won't it stick? I'm using Pratley high strengh quickset. And they show pictures of it holding up whole bulldozers. It's meant to dry in 15 minutes. And this is now HOURS ago. Added to which - that stripping of the copper IS FOR THE BIRDS. I couldn't get any kind of systematic winding with the nichrome. Anyway I'll press on - pressing on. It's now 2 in the morning and I'm going to see if I can hold the one prately's holder on with some wire. Maybe it'll hold better.

Regards,
Rosemary

Maybe found the problem. It's plugged the glue at one side of the the pipe to hold in the filings. And I think it's too thick to expect a quick set. I'll leave it for the morning to get thoroughly dry.

Am beginning to appreciate the skills you guys have. Definitely an art form here. Well done Ted. And Don - I am now blown away at what you've managed and all so quick.

Ted Ewert · « **Reply #382 on:** September 16, 2010, 03:39:00 AM »

Continuing along with the weird theme... I shorted all the separate windings together, both top and bottom... and the current increased. You can see when it's in the vertical position the current is around 119ma. When I tipped it over to show the bottom shorts, it gave me a few more ma's.
I don't know whether to consider this a battery or a self filling capacitor (is there a difference?). I doesn't act like a coil though. I'll bet you could get the same results with two sheets of metal coiled up like a capacitor with some cotton in between. That's essentially what I have here. I may try that next...

Ted

dllabarre · « **Reply #383 on:** September 16, 2010, 05:35:11 AM »

Manually heating up of the coil makes a difference also.
I used a hair dryer to warm up my coil a little and the volts increase from .400V to over .500V in 30 seconds.

DonL

IotaYodi · « **Reply #384 on:** September 16, 2010, 05:37:05 AM »

IotaYodi · « **Reply #385 on:** September 16, 2010, 05:59:08 AM »

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When I shorted the two ends of the copper together and short the two steel ends, the current between the two went up to 106ma. Instantaneous current is over 200ma, then it drops down to a steady 106.

My thoughts. In essence there is a galvanic current bridge between the copper and steel through the wet cotton. When you tied them together you put a load on the coil by short circuit. Sort of like putting 2 wires on a battery and shorting them out. You would draw more amps from the coil or battery because you are feeding the output back to the input instead of out to a load. That should heat up the coil also to a certain degree. Untied and using a meter,the meter itself only reads the input to the meter. Putting meters on both input and output the readings should be basically the same.

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bet you could get the same results with two sheets of metal coiled up like a capacitor with some cotton in between.

You could try a cotton layer over the copper,then wrap aluminum foil over that,then a layer of cotton over the aluminum and see if it raises the voltage/amps up.

Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #386 on:** September 16, 2010, 07:33:46 PM »

Hi all. I think I've discovered the problem with the glue. I didn't mix the two types right. Anyway have just redone this so hopefully they'll stick now. Also. I was advised to clean everything off with thinners. Maybe the answer is there somewhere. I've just redone it and will leave it until morning in the hopes it will dry.

Me and this little coil have had words. Most of them unprintable. LOL.

But I've finished one whole winding. I need to photograph this as proof.

But not sure that it's the best example of winding that's ever hit this forum. LOL. This is definitely the last time I'm going to try it. I did try stripping the copper first off - but I found that the winding became impossible because I couldn't fit the copper between the nichrome. It sort of sat on top. Not sure that this was the best thing.

The good news is that I get a voltage reading in millivolts - and everything is as dry as a bone. But it fades away to nothing in no time at all. I also can't find my little compas so can't test that until the morning. I also tried systematically shorting the wires - just to see if I could elicit a response from my little rotor and there's a definite 'moment' - but fades out just as quick. I can, apparently, get reed switches from campus - so will try and attach that tomorrow. But I think I first need a few more windings. I get it that this might help the general effect.

Frankly - I very much doubt that I'll get that spin. But I'll give it my best shot. I might have to build another 'lighter' rotor or invest in some heavy duty magnets.

Regards
Rosemary

Ted Ewert · « **Reply #387 on:** September 16, 2010, 09:22:24 PM »

Quote from: dllabarre on September 16, 2010, 05:35:11 AM

Manually heating up of the coil makes a difference also.
I used a hair dryer to warm up my coil a little and the volts increase from .400V to over .500V in 30 seconds.

DonL

I went to check on it this morning and I think it died overnight. It read only .2 volts and the current was a paltry 10ma.
I stuck it outside in the sun to warm it up. Perhaps that will revive it. Maybe it needed a constant load to keep it going?
We'll see if the patient revives in a couple of hours.

Ted

Rosemary Ainslie · « **Reply #388 on:** September 16, 2010, 11:14:14 PM »

Hi all. Just some record of the troll menace. Any likeness to any person living or dead is purely co-incidental.

Not sure where the broken lines came in. ???I need to try and redo this. apologies

truthbeknown · « **Reply #389 on:** September 16, 2010, 11:57:35 PM »

To Rosemary Ainslie:

Why do you post such things? Its like you are trying to start an argument with someone....Yeesh! Maybe you can post this stuff on threads that YOU have started and then we know not to bother reading there...How immature.

J.

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