Iota.  Here's the thing.  Buried - the coil works better dry.  Above ground the coil works better wet

In the ground it still has moisture. Even if its rusted on the outside. The known working coils that Im aware of have been in a moderate rainfall area. Take a dry coil to the desert and I dont think you will get much unless its around uranium or other radioactive materiel. Finding an area with high radon would probably boost the power. Radioactive waste water might give it a good jolt too. But no way is this coil purely galvanic as water is a weak electrolyte. If it were then a solution would have already been found.
 I have a few other configuration ideas with this coil but time and money are my enemies. I have to put out 6 grand for a new ac unit this week. That put a big dent in the works.

Rose:

I am familiar with that response from "the learned".

Look at it this way, I have delt with more than a few hecklers on my youtube videos, and I tell them all the same thing.  If I can light 400 leds for free, or do any of the other things I have been able to do, if the NS coil ONLY lasts 20 years in the ground...who cares?

I mean, look at Laser's topic here....3 months and counting right?  "Oh that is just a galvanic reaction and it will eat up the materials in a few days."  Well, we now know that is not correct.  What if his device runs a year?  2 years?  At what point will folks say....wow, I guess that really is something?

With my engineering background I am a results oriented kind of guy.  I don't care much what something was designed to do, or it is supposed to do, I want to know what it can do.

I like how these "smart" academics always come up with something like...."Well there is salt in the earth and that explains it."  Really?  Not to me is doesn't.   Does he have a power system that will do this for this long?  If not, why not?

Anyway, thanks for trying Rose.  Just remember, we can enjoy what these devices can do and we can most likely improve upon that with some experimentation and research.  That is more than enough for me.

Bill

Hi Bill.  You're a sweet thing.  And more to the point - You're right.  I had a really good day - on campus - where we found a STRONG negative value - and I had the real pleasure of seeing the surprise this evoked.  It's small inroads and I'm ABSOLUTELY SURE we'll get there.  I was just chasing some negative demons away this morning. They tend to crowd me out in the early part of the day.  As for that Professor.  I've only spoken to ONE.  I intend reaching a whole lot more.  Even if they deafen me with those 'slammed phones'.  I've managed 10 years and climbing - of this response.  I guess I'll manage a few more.

Thanks Don - for trying that number with distilled water.  Frankly - the argument with salt is still spurious - provided only that there's NO EXTRA salts added.  It needs to be a closed system and I'm still arguing that laser's is closed.  But, like you say - time will tell.   

I feel rather shy to admit this - but that glue on my coil?  It's now stuck like it claimed it could.  I need to get a grinder to get it off.  LOL.  The thing is this.  Prately's products have a mind of their own.  They con you into a sense of disappointment and then outperform when they're not needed.  Anyway - a friend of mine has the required to remove all that gunk - and I hope to get that coil finally wound and then do my own tests to my own entire satisfaction.  ALSO.  I'm going to take Bill's (I think it was?) good advice and wind a second coil around a soft iron bolt and another on an aluminium shaft.  I think it was Magneticitist who proposed this last number. 

So.  Hope springs eternal.  And today is the first day of spring.  So all is still very appropriate and seasonal and timely.  And it would take very much more than the occassional rudness from those insufferably arrogant and excessively self-opinionated amongst our academics - to give up this interminable quarrel I have with them and with thermodynamic laws in general. The REALLY good news is that I've found a campus where they still rely on experimental evidence to determine scientific principle.  What a pleasure.

As far as I'm concerned we're fighting a kind of intellectual war -  hoping to bring hope to the hopeless.     Much needed.  LOL

Kindest regards to you Bill, and Don and all
Rosemary

I am still surprised to see post lowering the NS coil as galvanic pile , it is clear that this is not a pile , it doesn't have the shape of it that much is clear , is it a battery well no its not , it dose show reading on a meter but too low to compare to any usable battery , yet it still kicks a motor .

The patent is clear its a electromagnet , its galvanic all right but not a battery .

To me it looks like the perfect oscillator because its physical ... think about it , what happen when you put a load on a JT for Ex it messes up the freq and loads the circuit , a mechanical oscillator has different advantages .


Some of those coil have a big magnetic pull , that is beyond the power of most JT , but we don't harvest this part yet , the pickup coil on the outside of the NS coil (the secondary ) needs to be improved , i also wonder since the original NS coil of many many turns really dose obey the transformer turn ratio ratio , because the coil is also the magnet test are needed , i would start at one turn of fat wire , and put loads on it not meters , a small led often reveal more then any meters in the world.

Mark

Captain:

I find it interesting that you are talking about the losses supposedly associated with the NS coil while at the same time ignoring one very important detail.

Input Energy=0

Bill

Input Energy=0

Hello Bill.

Input Energy = the volts/amps provided from the galvanic reaction > 0
Evidence of that is provided by Don:

reading:
 Volts   Time    Day  Amps
 .927V  7:05PM D1
 .775V 10:15PM D1  9mA
 .658V  6:44AM D2  6mA
 .586V  7:23PM D2  3mA
 .505V  7:51AM D3  1mA
 .501V  6:26PM D3  1mA
 .512V 11:20PM D3  1mA
 .350V  7:40AM D4  .5mA
skipped Day 5
 .300V  6:52PM D6  .2mA
After taking the plastic off of my coil and letting it dry for one day
 .0V    7:30AM D8  0mA

And one point I was trying to make was that I see the 'air battery' as a better pursuit over the NS coil because of the many losses I mentioned.

The other is that it would be useful to all of you to provide more data, like DonL has.
Isn't the rpm of the rotor of primary concern/interest yet no where is that detail given?

I haven't posted much lately because I didn't have anything new and exciting to show.

But because everyone is talking about the water and salt I decided to post this.

My 2nd one layer coil: a layer of cotton on core, one layer gal. steel wire, a layer of cotton, one layer bare copper wire, a layer of cotton, a layer of plastic wrap on the outside. NO SALT.  Just Tap Water.


reading:
 Volts   Time    Day  Amps
 .927V  7:05PM D1
 .775V 10:15PM D1  9mA
 .658V  6:44AM D2  6mA
 .586V  7:23PM D2  3mA
 .505V  7:51AM D3  1mA
 .501V  6:26PM D3  1mA
 .512V 11:20PM D3  1mA
 .350V  7:40AM D4  .5mA
skipped Day 5
 .300V  6:52PM D6  .2mA
After taking the plastic off of my coil and letting it dry for one day
 .0V    7:30AM D8  0mA

Next time I will use distilled water.

DonL

It's been 3 1/2 days since I posted the above message.
My coil has been drying all that time.
Still no voltage or amps.

BUT THERE IS MAGNETIC ACTIVITY.
My coil can still turn a compass.
Now how do you supposed that is happening?
I thought someone said there has to be volts and amps to generate magnetism in a coil?

"My 2nd one layer coil: a layer of cotton on core, one layer gal. steel wire, a layer of cotton, one layer bare copper wire, a layer of cotton"

DonL

Your iron wire and possibly your core. Even if your wire was high iron low carbon,which Im sure its not,you would still have some remanence. The common galvanized steel wire is mainly a steel alloy which can become permanently magnetized even with low ma's. A rebar core will do the same as its another higher carbon steel.

I have a ferrite core with this build.
I didn't know ferrite would hold magnetism that long.

DonL