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Re: Self-Runner NS Coil Pulse Motor Live Video Stream. It's been going for months!
« Reply #315 on: September 14, 2010, 12:37:28 AM »
Hi Bill thanx for the reply..........my mistake I just assumed that until the connections were made ...they were just two parallel wires.......will multiple strand copper wire work in place of single strand unenameled..........as long as its' close to the same guage as the steal wire..........shylo

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Re: Self-Runner NS Coil Pulse Motor Live Video Stream. It's been going for months!
« Reply #316 on: September 14, 2010, 01:40:02 AM »
Im thinking this is from the electrostatic potential of the air as well as any magnetic field lines coming off the coil and any house wiring that might add to it. You are moving in a magnetic field possibly changing the field to an extent. If the coil is sitting on a wood table place your palms on it and apply pressure. Put your hands at different distances from the coil and see if it changes. Do this with your electric panel both on and totally off and take measurements to see the difference. I would be most interested in the readings of both with and without the Faraday. A little time consuming but the readings might be worth it.


I can't turn off all the power to this 2 family house so I went outside, 200 feet from any building, 300 feet from any MAINS power lines and no wiring underground (farm field).

The coil was dead 0mV, when i took it outside of the house still in the cage. The voltage didn't change when I was moving it however it still showed some magnetic attraction to my compass.

I put the coil in a glass of water and it went to .840V.
I took it out and after 2 minutes it was down to .540V.
I put it in the cage when it was .535V
The magnetic attraction was stronger when dry then when I first took the coil out of the glass of water.
After a few minutes of being in the cage the magnetic attraction was stronger then when it was dry.

I took it all inside...
After it was long enough for the wires to dry but the cotton insulation on the core was real wet, it measured .457V and a lot of magnetic attraction to the compass.

The coil has been in my office drying for over 30 minutes and it reads .408V with the same magnetic attraction.

I don't think I've mentioned before, the magnetic attraction is only at the 2 ends of the coil and not on the sides.

When I touch the coil on the sides nothing happens to voltage. Even if I grab it with my fingers wrapped around it.

But if I touch the core on the end where I ended the windings with my finger the volts go up an additional .45-.50V.  Also if I touch a copper wire on that end where my windings ended the same thing happens BUT if I touch ANY steel wire nothing happens.
If I touch a wire or the core on the end where my windings began nothing happens.

Now to continue with my testings.....

DonL


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Re: Self-Runner NS Coil Pulse Motor Live Video Stream. It's been going for months!
« Reply #317 on: September 14, 2010, 01:48:46 AM »
Hi McGiver30
I like your thinking, I was also thinking about using iron and copper washers to make assembly easier,as I am keen to make a 1 W of power device, finding out the best methods of construction
is very important.=  (Power out)  (Cost of materials)  (Duration of device)
cat

So far I believe the bare copper has to be insulated from the bare iron (steel).
So you'd have to add an insulation between the washers.

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Re: Self-Runner NS Coil Pulse Motor Live Video Stream. It's been going for months!
« Reply #318 on: September 14, 2010, 02:19:52 AM »
Hi everybody,
 
Wow, I never thought this thread would take off so fast.  I will try to answer some of the questions that have been posted and share a few thoughts.
 
1. Some have seen my magnesium air batteries videos.  I would consider these a purely galvanic battery.  You build them with the goal of trying to achieve as much voltage and amperage as possible.  They can last a very long time when run as air batteries without using the salt water.  With the salt water they only last a month or so.  They have no electromagnetic effect so I do not consider them to be like the NS coil at all.
 
2. When building and testing a NS coil keep in mind that you are testing for the electromagnetic effect, not voltage.  I do not really care anymore what the voltage of the coil is at.  I had a guy come by with a scope and check the voltage of my coil in the live video stream while it was running.  It tested out at 50 millivolts with a back EMF spike of 200 millivolts.  I am hesitant to post these values as they were taken very quickly and should be taken again to reconfirm.
 
3. The mini coils are a side project that I did to see how a multiple coil arrangement would work.  I did not feel like building large coils, if the arrangement would not work well.  I did not expect them to work on their own at all because they were so small.  I was amazed when I detected some slight electromagnetic effects on my compass.  They ran really well when I first made and wet them.  Then I salted them and they completely died, as I expected they would.  Since then they have been showing some signs of coming back to life.  They ran for a good 8 hours or so the other day.  There is a slight possibility that I will get them working in a continuously running mode if I can get all the variables set correctly - rotor size, coil distance, reed switch placements, weight of the rotor, and iron core length, to name a few.   I am confident that I can build a large multiple coil arrangement that will work very well and do plan on building it in the future.  The coils will be the same size as the coil in my live video stream or larger.
 
4. I have built and tested way more NS coils then you could imagine.  Creating a working coil is not easy at all.  There are a ton of variables that have to be perfect.  If you follow my video build clips you should be able to do it.
 
5. Based upon my success I am inspired and have been testing enamel covered wire again.  In the past I have seen some pretty interesting results using plastic covered speaker wire with a wire of another type such as iron or aluminum.  Back then, I made the mistake of testing for voltage instead of testing it with a rotor and two reed switches.  The real break through for me was when I set my voltmeter aside and started just trying to get my rotor turning.  That is when I discovered the special effects that happen when using two reed switches.  Now that I have this extra knowledge, gained by real world experience, I am going back and doing some pretty interesting tests.

I cannot see how I missed this.  Hello Lasersaber.  I'm simply posting this here to get it back on the page.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

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Re: Self-Runner NS Coil Pulse Motor Live Video Stream. It's been going for months!
« Reply #319 on: September 14, 2010, 02:46:43 AM »

 1. Some have seen my magnesium air batteries videos.  I would consider these a purely galvanic battery.  You build them with the goal of trying to achieve as much voltage and amperage as possible.  They can last a very long time when run as air batteries without using the salt water.  With the salt water they only last a month or so.  They have no electromagnetic effect so I do not consider them to be like the NS coil at all.
Thanks for explaining this.  But what do you mean by a long time?  Does this oxidise in the air - or is it coated with something?  Abject apologies if my questions are rather elementary. 
 
2. When building and testing a NS coil keep in mind that you are testing for the electromagnetic effect, not voltage.  I do not really care anymore what the voltage of the coil is at.  I had a guy come by with a scope and check the voltage of my coil in the live video stream while it was running.  It tested out at 50 millivolts with a back EMF spike of 200 millivolts.  I am hesitant to post these values as they were taken very quickly and should be taken again to reconfirm.
I did not realise you've got a live video stream running.  Please give us a link.
 
3. The mini coils are a side project that I did to see how a multiple coil arrangement would work.  I did not feel like building large coils, if the arrangement would not work well.  I did not expect them to work on their own at all because they were so small.  I was amazed when I detected some slight electromagnetic effects on my compass.  They ran really well when I first made and wet them.  Then I salted them and they completely died, as I expected they would.  Since then they have been showing some signs of coming back to life.  They ran for a good 8 hours or so the other day.  There is a slight possibility that I will get them working in a continuously running mode if I can get all the variables set correctly - rotor size, coil distance, reed switch placements, weight of the rotor, and iron core length, to name a few.   I am confident that I can build a large multiple coil arrangement that will work very well and do plan on building it in the future.  The coils will be the same size as the coil in my live video stream or larger.
I see where you say that you need to 'get all the variables set correctly - rotor size, coil distance, reed switch placements, weight of the rotor, and iron core length, to name a few'.  It strikes me that it's more an art form than a science at this stage. 

5. Based upon my success I am inspired and have been testing enamel covered wire again.  In the past I have seen some pretty interesting results using plastic covered speaker wire with a wire of another type such as iron or aluminum.  Back then, I made the mistake of testing for voltage instead of testing it with a rotor and two reed switches.  The real break through for me was when I set my voltmeter aside and started just trying to get my rotor turning.  That is when I discovered the special effects that happen when using two reed switches.  Now that I have this extra knowledge, gained by real world experience, I am going back and doing some pretty interesting tests.
Very interesting indeed.  It strikes me that there's a huge learning curve here.  I think that you and Don are doing the right thing by establishing each and every result against each and every parameter - as you move along. 

Laser, may I thank you - publicly and personally - for giving us such a fascinating device to look at. And may I also compliment you on your exceptional experimental aptitudes.  It's interesting to see how subtle are the requirements to make it all work.   And so many questions - a delicious combination.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary


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Re: Self-Runner NS Coil Pulse Motor Live Video Stream. It's been going for months!
« Reply #320 on: September 14, 2010, 03:12:25 AM »
when i see a battery "ghost charge" voltage back up i dont link that to stressing of the plates. nor do i say its the plates stressing when my electrolytic caps charge themselves up to around 5V on their own.
I never knew this.  Does a cap measure a voltage - in the same way as a transistor? 

to me this is the Earth's radiant energy doing this.. when using a Joule Thief with very low switching sensitivity it can be seen better, as the battery drops below switching voltage the LED will start to blink, because the atmosphere is brining its voltage back up automatically, until switching V is hit again and the cycle repeats. the LED will blink until the rate at which the atmospheric intake is not enough to overcome the low voltage in the battery and sustain a steady oscillation.
I get it.  You're attributing the lowering of the voltage to the discharge in the LED - but the sustained discharge requires some interaction with the atmosphere? aether?  I wonder if it could be that the lowering voltage is the discharge of that energy through the LED.  Just a thought.  But I know nothing of the subtleties of the Joule Thief builds.  I'd like to give this more thought.

lets say i have a capacitor that sits on a table, and every 5 or ten minutes it has built up enough charge to turn a small DC motor for about one second. lets say i put 50 of these capacitors in a bank and had them running and idling all at different times. it could be possible for me to time their discharges just right, so the small DC motor turns almost consistently, just from the electrolyte within them atmospherically charging.
I get it.  Very interesting M'itist.

i believe the stubblefield is similar, but i do not know if i were to create a super large electrolytic cap, would it gather the same type of charge but proportionally larger? or would it still receive the same amount of charge as the smaller one. likewise with the stubblefield. however i believe since the Earth itself is so large an increase in the mass of our coil would also increase its reception.
If the cap has a meaurable potential difference - then I'm inclined to agree.

Very nice Magneticitist.  It'll certainly be an interesting variation if you're planning to do these tests.  But I do think it needs to be tested against a moving rotor - or we'll be back to the interminable requirements for measurable proof.  Where this combination of evidence is so valuable to the cause, so to speak - is precisely because the rotor is coaxed to turn without the input of any 'evident' extraneous energy source.  I know my own tests were snarled by this debate.  And here's an elegant rig that goes to the heart of the matter with a simplicity that entirely captivates me.

Regards,
Rosemary

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Re: Self-Runner NS Coil Pulse Motor Live Video Stream. It's been going for months!
« Reply #321 on: September 14, 2010, 03:27:07 AM »
Stubblefield...

We also know that when he submitted his patent application, it was not called a battery at all.  In order to get his patent granted, he had to add the word Battery to get this approved by the examiners who did not understand how this could work if it was not a battery.  Stubblefield was not happy with this but he did it to get it approved.

Bill
Golly Pirate.  How interesting is that?  I wonder if he had called it a 'generator' if it wouldn't perhaps have 'generated'  ;D more interest.  It's not suprising that I've never heard of Nathan Subblefield - as my schooling in science is rather skimpy.  But his name seems to be entirely omitted from standard curriculae and some of the experts I've spoken to are entirely unaware of this patent of his or this technology drive.  It seems he's like Tesla - and Leedskalnin.  They're the true geniuses that just operated below the radar.  Delighted to see this being revitalised and back in focus - and this is precisely the value of these forums and this seemingly endless talent on these forums.  So nice.

Kindest as ever,
Rosie

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« Reply #322 on: September 14, 2010, 03:52:51 AM »
If you have disks on each end of your core see if by applying pressure at each end inward
will change your voltage readings. Stubblefield had the advantage of using a bolt for the core
with a nut on the end. He could compress the iron/copper coil assembly by tightening his
bolt.

We know this should have an effect on the capacitance of the assembly. I'm looking into
these effects and how magneto restriction plays a role during polarity reversals.

A little over 2 minutes into lasersaber's '48 days' video he explains how polarity reversals
seem to help with effects: http://www.youtube.com/user/lasersaber#p/a/u/2/kbaub2kkkpA
Take a look at Lidmotor's 'scope shot' video he did for MK1.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Lidmotor#p/u/21/MGwylnFvfZo
We see that by adding charge to the coil a magnetic bias is set up to take advantage of
the polarity flipping characteristics.

Please take a look at a Wiegand wire and compare it to the Stubblefield assembly. When
the soft core polarity flips and causes the iron wire polarity flips an effect occurs that
can be picked up. http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3500.msg255762#msg255762

Although adding galvanic approaches adds to more interesting effects using insulated wire
isolates the galvanic effects and we can study and test other effects more clearly.

For example: During polarity flipping of both core and the helically wrapped iron wire magneto
restriction events occur applying a sharp change in mechanical pressure on the copper wire
sandwiched between the iron wraps. These are some of the effects I'm looking into.

Take care.

nap

Thanks very much for this post Slapper.  Very astute observations.  I'll try that rig with stripped wire - if I can find the patience to strip all that copper.  At least we'll have one build where the metals actually touch.  If it doesn't work I'll rewind.  I'm anxious to see what happens when there's absolute proximity between the wires. 

And DonL - many thanks INDEED for all your careful reporting.  I get it that the magnetic effect seems to be independent of the measured potential difference.  This is precisely what Laser's been pointing to.  Seems that empirical values is all we'll be able to look at - at this early stage.

Regards
Rosemary

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Re: Self-Runner NS Coil Pulse Motor Live Video Stream. It's been going for months!
« Reply #323 on: September 14, 2010, 03:55:47 AM »
Hi Bill thanx for the reply..........my mistake I just assumed that until the connections were made ...they were just two parallel wires.......will multiple strand copper wire work in place of single strand unenameled..........as long as its' close to the same guage as the steal wire..........shylo

I have only used solid copper wire as per the patent but, this is what experiments are for, right?  Who knows, the same diameter stranded wire MAY actually be better...or not as good.  Only one way to find out.

If stranded does work, it will be another step closer to easier/cheaper replications.

Bill

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« Reply #324 on: September 14, 2010, 04:19:56 AM »
Loner, Guys, I wonder if I may just point to something that sort of goes to my interests in this rig.  I'm sure you all know about the Casimir effect.  It's the proven evidence that when you put two metals together - then they 'stick' - with a force that indicates a complete material bonding.  It's only been shown on a very small scale.  I've long proposed that this is due to magnetic fields inside the material of conductive/inductive material that are able to re-arrange their spins.  Something outside the atom - but that holds the atoms bound - inside all three dimensional structures.  In paramagnetic and diamagnetic material  - the proposal is that these can alter their 'justification'.  This would give them the same properties as a magnetic field - so, by deduction, they may then be magnetic fields. 

In as much as these juxtaposed materials seem to be invariably responding with a magnetic moment - I wonder if this may be the 'root cause'.  The thing is this.  It would then still be very much a property of the aether - provided only that these fields are everywhere.  This because it's proposed that the aether is everywhere.  The only difference being that the aether itself may simply be the global - universal - distribution of magnetic fields.  Just a thought.  That way - when we find potential difference it may be the result of some 'imbalanced' condition of those binding fields inside that material.  At least, this way - there may be some material explanation for the continued interaction of the wires with a compas - as Don is showing us - regardless of the wet/dry state of the coil. 

By the way.  The proposal is that these fields hold atoms bound inside crystalline or three dimensional structures.  In other words if it's got a three dimensional shape then it's got these active little energy fields inside that structure holding it in shape.  That, in any event, is my take.  And it does seem to be consistent with the evidence. 

Regards,
Rosemary

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« Reply #325 on: September 14, 2010, 04:23:37 AM »
@rosemary, i agree about testing that idea on a rotor. i actually got the idea from coming home each day from work and noticing the voltage in some of my electrolytic caps above a few volts.. the day i made the other post i had discharged one into a small dc motor and it turned the rotor. nothing remarkable but it did physically move the rotor. there was a small current there. so i went about my business and came back some time after and tried it again. rotor noticeably turned again. likewise i can do this to run sensitive joule thiefs for a second at a time. i feel like i might be written off if i start to talk too much about some of my theories regarding voltage and current, but i guess i can say i feel a current is always in a capacitance to come degree, it just needs a certain voltage potential to free it.

i cant help but wonder how much energy can be cascaded and discharged from a hypothetical 500+ capacitors that have charged a very small amount each all on their own.

at the same time i believe these caps will not have the same effect if i were to move them away from such a populated area. it is true about the amount of static charge that floats around everywhere. its gathering in all the plastic, paper, wood, rubber... all of that. and coming from everywhere.

u can build a darlington setup with small transistors using 3 or more, and it will oscillate on its own from the static charge that its getting from the room.
mine likes to oscillate always unless totally isolated statically, or has its potential interrupted temporarily by me moving around or something.

all of this static potential that would switch this darlington arrangement is the same energy that is charging the caps i believe, and may be running the stubblefield as well.

cosmicgnarler has a vid showing him on a bike trail underneath power lines holding an led avramenko plug, and the led is lit from the line potential.

but even in the absence of such a potential its safe to say theres a fair amount of waves travelling all across the world.

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« Reply #326 on: September 14, 2010, 04:26:15 AM »
@dllabarre

Interesting stuff with the Faraday.

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I don't think I've mentioned before, the magnetic attraction is only at the 2 ends of the coil and not on the sides.

That would be normal. Strongest fields are at the poles.

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But if I touch the core on the end where I ended the windings with my finger the volts go up an additional .45-.50V

The end you touched was the south pole. When conventional current exits a wire or body its the north pole.

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If I touch a wire or the core on the end where my windings began nothing happens.
Like poles repel.

Check out the Bar magnet and solenoid.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/elemag.html

Thanks for the info dllabarre!

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« Reply #327 on: September 14, 2010, 04:40:17 AM »
Hi again Magneticitist

Convention has it that 'static charge' is from 'electrons' - and while electrons are the physical proof of this charge - I'm actually proposing that the movement of the electrons is actually caused by 'fields' or magnetic fields - that are proposed to underlie all matter.  In effect the energy that we extract from any interaction is the result of these hidden forces.  Therefore - in terms of what you're seeing in the 'recharge' of those caps - may be the result of these binding fields re-organishing their potential difference - and by discharging that energy into the rotor or the LED's they establish the preferred balance - and then lose it again once they've discharged through the wire.  The principle being that maybe, like all magnetic fields - they move to a condition of 'best balance'.   But I'm not proposing that anyone 'buy in' to these suggestions.  It's just a thought.

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« Reply #328 on: September 14, 2010, 05:07:23 AM »
hi all

intriguing thread! ...regardless of what OnthebUs says!  ;)

(and i agree with the earlier post BTW - ignore him until his manners improve & he parks his ego)

here's a few more possibly-related backgrounds, from my own observations and readings:-

- electron tunneling
  i've read about the generation of charge separation due to to surface electrons 'tunneling' through a thin layer of insulator/dielectric to escape from a metallic surface, and then being unable to return because they were removed or captured either by air molecules or to another metal beyond the air-gap,

effect increases with heat, plates/sheets of dissimilar metals (few cm^2 area); the test results i read were for aluminium/ copper; effect can still occur with like metals, but reduced intensity; pressure was applied to get an optimum spacing between the metals - effect peaked at some pressure; some effort was made to 'dry-out' the test

sounds familiar? - would be interesting to see if the rigs here can sustain an increased voltage at an elevated temperature for some period - preferably shielded - eg, old electric oven on lowish temp (40-50*C?)


- connection/disconnection of metals
  i've noticed that just making or breaking a metallic connection can sometimes cause a measurable voltage spike - could this be happening at the reed relay make/break junction?


- some crystals (eg. Rochelle salt) can be used as a dielectric for increased capacitance
  i've read that this material quite strongly exhibits the 'dielectric adsorption' effect - anomalous self-increase of voltage in a capacitor arrangement - thought to be related to previous charge on the cap, but my results show otherwise!  could the common salt be adding a slight amount of this effect to whatever else is happening here?
 
 
Magneticist (& others?) - you might be interested to read about some of the anomalous capacitor effects which i've recorded in a PDF - see the 'Secret Life of Capacitors' thread:
     http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9393.msg247816#msg247816


all the best with these experiments - good stuff!
sandy


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« Reply #329 on: September 14, 2010, 05:09:14 AM »
@lasersaber

Dont feel bad because it seems that nobody saw what you wrote here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9687.msg256892#msg256892

People are just eager to replicate.

Jesus

Don't say "nobody".  ;)

I saw it just after he posted it.
I make it a point to start reading the posts where I left off the day before.
I search by time of posts until I find the last one I read the day before and start there.  Sometimes I have to go back 3-5 pages to get to where I left off.  ;D

DonL