Hello Everyone,

This coil has been replicated by myself and quite a few others. A few years ago, I built a few micro Stubblefield coils. Many experiments have been performed and they both worked well. Lasersaber's mini coil is about twice the size of the coils that I made. Each one produced about 1 volt and anywhere from 4 to 50 milliamps depending on the configuration. As Stubblefield showed in the patent, the electricity generated is purely galvanic/voltaic. And the secondary makes use of the magnetic field generated. Nothing new there.

Hi Rock,  I wonder if you could explain how it is that a galvanic/voltaic cell (as you put) can work?  I would have thought that it would need some kind of solvent or base?  Is this wrong?  Sorry if the question is awfully elementary.

From what I understand by the grace of God he didn't wet the coils at all.

There is it again.  Did it work without water?  In which case how is it a battery?

He just had to show something the patent examiners could understand. The diligent seeker of truth will find out what was the main driving force behind all the power he generated.

I think that Laser has shown us, already, that the patent requires a linking of the wiring that is simply wrong. 

Bottom line is, anyone building this type of coil is missing a key component which is not revealed in the patent and so, while it is a wonderful piece to demonstrate certain principles, I believe it will never be a practical power producer.

I question the value of this kind of advice - ever.  And the fact is that on a small scale Laser has already shown us a working device.  Certainly enough to light LED's.

Regards,
Rosemary

Hi DonL  - I spent a frustrating night.  I couldn't access our internet - anyway it seems we're back up. 

Laser used a salt solution to rust off the galvanized iron.  I'm always intrigued with the variations that experimentalists introduce to a construct.

Does this vary from the Nathan Stubblefield construct? 


Kindest regards,
Rosemary

The patent says bare iron wire.
I don't understand what this means: "Laser used a salt solution to rust off the galvanized iron."   Did he do this to the wire to make it bare iron wire?

Without hearing from LaserSaber we're left making assumptions. 

Experiments will tell us the answers...

DonL

First let me say I have not read the entire thread.

Second, I applaud Lasersaber's work and excellent video documentation.

It seems clear to most here that the term " Self-Runner" in the title refers to there being no additional power-source other than the system as it is shown in the videos. It's not OU, LS has never said that. But it may be a critical step in that direction as we will see over time.

I would like to close with a quote:

"I will speak ill of no man...and speak all the good I know of everybody." --Benjamin Franklin

This of course takes a very high degree of maturity, one that I personally have not attained; but it seems a worthy goal.

A dielectric is not a conductor but is a holding place for electrostatic fields. Just like a capacitor. If the current is low enough and the electrostatic flux is not stopped, then the electrostatic field can store charge in the cotton. If the cotton field,I like that!, has too much water whos dielectric is 80.4 it stops the charge. Before you put the coil in the ground take meter readings. Analog meters or galvanometer are best suited from my understanding from other experimenters. Leave the coil in the ground for a week,month whatever and leave the coil unconnected to a load which includes a meter. In other words keep the circuit open. I would think there would be a charge buildup in the cotton. Externally you should be able to check it faster with a pulse generator or maybe a cap. What I dont know for certain is if the circuit should be closed or open in order to pick up a charge. Both need to be tried. It would be nice to have the equipment to vary the voltage and current to create a baseline if indeed it would work. Maybe using a cap with some type of pulse circuit would work.

I don't understand what this means: "Laser used a salt solution to rust off the galvanized iron."   Did he do this to the wire to make it bare iron wire?

Not likely. The Zinc wouldnt have much of an effect if any on the magnetic field of the iron. He was probably looking for a galvanic response and if there was an increase in voltage or amps. He accelerated the galvanic action with the salt which created the iron oxides on the surface. Internally the process should be slower as its not exposed to air. Zinc coatings can slow galvanic action. As stated previously if the current is sufficient it will stop or slow down the galvanic action. This type of process is used on boats.   

I bought some 20 awg Galvanized bare steel wire from Lowes like LaserSaber used.
I have a ferrite rod 7.5" L x 1/2" D.
I have 18 awg magnetic copper wire

First I wrapped the ferrite rod with cotton.
Second I bifilar wrapped one layer with 73 turns of 20 awg Gal. steel wire and 18 awg copper magnetic wire.

The steel wire is negative and the copper wire is positive.

Dry:
2.5mV connected to steel and copper
If I connect to both steel wires or both copper wires then I get zero volts  as expected.
steel wire 1.3 ohm
copper wire .5 ohm
Forgot to measure inductance when dry. 

Wet:
Inductance: steel 518.9uH, copper 493.4uH
Voltage:
.510V at first but dropped to .364V after 2 minutes
then it went back up to .375V 5 minutes later.

Wet again 20 mins later:
.382V
.457V 2 mins later
.462V 2 mins later
.415V 15 mins later

During this whole time my digital meter was connected, which was a drain on the Earth Battery I know and I didn't add water so it was drying out also.

Unconnected digital meter at .411V for 5 mins.
Reconnected digital meter and it read .523V then started dropping.
2 mins later it was down to a low of .462V and started rising.
2 mins later it was up to .368V all the while my digital meter was connected.

If I disconnect the meter for a couple seconds and reconnect it the reading jumps to .526 then falls.  I did this 5 times with the same results.

After 10 mins I connected my meter and got a reading of .502V before it started dropping.  So as it drys it appears the voltage gets lower.

Another test would be to wet the coil and wrap it in plastic so as not to be able to dry out very easily.

I'll recheck it tomorrow morning in 8 hrs.

So I need a circuit which connects then disconnects a small load (resistor) every 2 seconds to see how long this Earth battery can run.
Any ideas??

I need to get another analog meter also. 

DonL

Don:

If you used mag wire for the copper, you need to strip the plastic coating off of it.  Or burn it off.  I used naked copper wire.

Interesting results.

Bill

Someone was complaining about using regular insulated copper wire to prove something about galvanic process taking place or not.  I had the wire so I tried it.  I hope this resolves that persons issues.

Mr. Stubblefield doesn't say in the patent that the copper wire needs to be insulated with cotton, just insulated.  Or did I miss something that he said?

DonL

PS - 30 mins later and I get a reading of .505V when I first connect my digital meter.

@dllabarre,

PS - 30 mins later and I get a reading of .505V when I first connect my digital meter.

So, one of the wires was plastic-insulated and you got that? Hardly. Tell us what you really did before claiming that the issue is settled.

Someone was complaining about using regular insulated copper wire to prove something about galvanic process taking place or not.  I had the wire so I tried it.  I hope this resolves that persons issues.

Mr. Stubblefield doesn't say in the patent that the copper wire needs to be insulated with cotton, just insulated.  Or did I miss something that he said?

DonL

PS - 30 mins later and I get a reading of .505V when I first connect my digital meter.

Well, from our reading it turns out that either the iron or the copper can be insulated with cotton.  Your results appear to disprove the completely galvanic idea.  I am sorry, I did not realize that this was what you were trying to do.

Nice going.  And, if you test for continuity I am sure you will see no connections.  Very well done.

Bill