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Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 1646838 times)

Offline Mollieman

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #375 on: April 05, 2007, 03:55:28 PM »
Hello people, I am new to your site but have being checking out ou devices for some time now.
This one looks promising. Think about this, Use a powerful permant magnet for the pendulium, place an electromagnet at one end of the stroke, pulse the emagnet with a spring switch actuated by pendulium shaft, some adjustment would have to be done to determine the # of strokes the pendulium would freefall before the emagnet assist would be needed, but I think the final device could be used to power a generator.

ANYBODY WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE IN PERPETUAL MOTION HAS NEVER SEEN THE SUN!

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #376 on: April 05, 2007, 04:17:27 PM »
Hello mollieman, welcome to overunity.com......

Can you draw a diagram to help explain your idea? A thousand pics are worth a single word etc. thousand er whatever it was...... a picture is worth a th...

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ANYBODY WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE IN PERPETUAL MOTION HAS NEVER SEEN THE SUN!

Can you elaborate on this?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #377 on: April 05, 2007, 05:12:57 PM »
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By the output side I mean the longer side opposite the pendulum. Is the device more efficient if more weight is added to this side, or is that detrimental?

For those who are testing this device, remember: the potential energy input into the pendulum (in joules) is found by the formula mgh m=mass of pendulum (in kg) g=9.8 m/s h=height in meters that the center of mass of the pendulum is raised.

Although Milkovic's flashlight experiment was somewhat helpful, the part where he showed that the flashlight used for the input powered 9 others was unconvincing. He obviously input more energy then required to light the one flashlight on each stroke because his hand+the flashlight had kinetic energy when it struck the pendulum.

Not so. His hand + the flashlight was not in contact with the pendulum, only
the sprung lever actually makes contact.

The secondary lever is akin to a teeter totter. two boys of equal weight at an
equal distance make it go with a modest kick off of one pair of legs.

One fat man and one small boy can still teeter totter if you adjust the fulcrum.

If you add too much weight to the output side in a Veljko device the pendulum will
not lift it.

The output side of the secondary arm has two strokes, an up and a down.

Think of it this way if you wish... the pendulum, on it's down stroke, lifts the
counter weight. Gravity lowers the counter weight on the pendulum's up stroke.

You can extract this resulting force equally on both strokes, or bias it to favor one
or the other stroke.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Offline Vladimir256

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #378 on: April 06, 2007, 03:58:17 AM »
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Not so. His hand + the flashlight was not in contact with the pendulum, only
the sprung lever actually makes contact.

Yes, but that lever is being hit with more force then necessary to light the light.

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Think of it this way if you wish... the pendulum, on it's down stroke, lifts the
counter weight. Gravity lowers the counter weight on the pendulum's up stroke.

You can extract this resulting force equally on both strokes, or bias it to favor one
or the other stroke.

Does putting more torque on the side opposite the pendulum increase the up or sown stroke.

Also, can a pendulum on a string instead of a bar work just as well?

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12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #379 on: April 07, 2007, 08:11:28 AM »
I dont think I have made any posts in this forum, but I have to for this one. I have been studying gravity, a new model based on the aether. The reason why you get more energy out of this device is because it follows the true motion of a gravity impulse as predicted here.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/aethergrav.htm

Specifically this section,
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/aethergrav.htm#g4

This graphic describes the trues shape of a gravity impulse.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/cycloid3.jpg

As you can see no other pendulum design follows this shape except this one.

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12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Offline Mollieman

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #380 on: April 07, 2007, 04:07:39 PM »
Why are we all more concerned about the exact ou # of this machine than about the fact that the machine does what it is clamed to do?
Build the machine using a heaver lever and pendulium, for the pendulium I suggest a permanent magnet with a lift capacity of 200 lbs or more, behind the pendulium place another upright shaft to which is attached an electromagnet, operate the emagnet with a spring switch on a cam attached to the pendulium shaft. As the pendulium swings by the switch it will pulse the emagnet. The combination of the magnetic pendulium and the emagnet should keep the pendulium in motion.
A generator powered by the lever will keep the battery which powers the emagnet charged and produce electrical energy for household use.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #381 on: April 08, 2007, 06:49:18 PM »
For all those who are Milkovic believers:

Above the long arm of the lever place a wheel that will be hit when the lever rises. Attached to the wheel is a weight that rises when the wheel is turned. measure the input energy of the pendulum by PE=mgh (only raise the pendulum once and release it), then see how much energy the lever is able to put in the weight on the wheel by PE=mgh. If it is really overunity the output should exceed the input.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Offline magnetman12003

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #382 on: April 12, 2007, 05:30:58 AM »
Hi All,

I need opinions from those familiar with pendulum devices and ask if this device might have merit if the pendulum weight is adjusted properly.

It also depends if the external magnets can slide/glide over the Mu metal at the ends of the Mu metal arc plate. Then we go "mechanically" from an attraction mode to a repel mode in a split second.   That kicks the pendulum at the top of its arc swing. Happens on both sides.

 You will have to read all the literature about Mu Metal if you dont understand what I am talking about. A good search engine will take you there.


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #383 on: April 12, 2007, 07:33:24 AM »
It looks like pretty simple leverage to me. move the pendulum a greater amount than the end of the lever. figure the amount of potential energy stored in the pendulum by moving it transfer that through the ratio of the lever and there in is the amount of energy to do work. I would concede o/u if the end of the pendulum was attached to a perm magnet in a coil to charge another coil with Fe core to pull the pendulum at the right time to keep it all moving forever. A cap might be needed to store the charge with a pressure switch to close the circuit.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #384 on: April 14, 2007, 09:08:39 PM »
Magnetman,

A couple things I see as problematic with your design.
Mu metal is really not that good a magnetic shield and the amount of material needed would change the energy in the pendulum since the Mu arc is opposite the pendulum weight.  As you increase the pendulum wieght, you would also need to increase the magnet strength (size) which would require more shielding.  I think from your drawing, if you were to actually build this design you would see no effect on the pendulum as the repel force is equalized on each side, you are taking away energy and replacing it equally without adding anything extra to counter common friction.

Also note that if you interact with the pendulum outside it's pivot you are changing the force on the lever and the position at which the pendulum starts and stops it's swing.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #385 on: April 16, 2007, 04:46:23 AM »
Very interesting concept.  Been reading thru the 13th but skipped to the last page.  I have a couple of thoughts to offer.  Not sure if they have been mentioned in the pages 14 thru 40.  Anyway,  could the pendulum weight be a magnet?  If so, it seems that an electromagnet could be positioned in a way to provide a timed shot of repelling force upon the pendulum during its descent thus giving it somewhat of a shove on its way down.  I perceive the electromagnetic force could be obtained via solar power via storage batteries eliminating draw from the device's output.

Thanks for listening.

jb

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Offline magnetman12003

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #386 on: April 16, 2007, 07:14:13 PM »
Hi All,

Thanks for your input on this device idea.  I constructed it and as you foretold- It did not work.  I dont ever give up--

I am currently working on a SMOT idea in the "Working SMOT RAMP from Tom Ferko" section in this same forum.  Uses two magnetic wheels revolving around an axle center pivoting 360 degrees.  If interested check that out on page 32.  Need input.


Tom

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #387 on: April 16, 2007, 08:03:28 PM »
Very interesting concept.  Been reading thru the 13th but skipped to the last page.  I have a couple of thoughts to offer.  Not sure if they have been mentioned in the pages 14 thru 40.  Anyway,  could the pendulum weight be a magnet?  If so, it seems that an electromagnet could be positioned in a way to provide a timed shot of repelling force upon the pendulum during its descent thus giving it somewhat of a shove on its way down.  I perceive the electromagnetic force could be obtained via solar power via storage batteries eliminating draw from the device's output.

Thanks for listening.

jb

Just to comment. If you use solar energy to power it then it become a solar generator and wasts some of the electrical energy on the mechanical parts of the setup. It would be more efficient to just pull the power off the solar cell. Keep thinking.

Tim

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #388 on: April 17, 2007, 02:24:59 AM »
heres a pendulum thought to ponder. P.S. I Hosted it on a free place so its spam heaven.
hope it works. :(
sorry I didnt see that you could host it here gonna try that also. :)
well it worked but I had to add the .avi to the end of the name. ???

http://www.vidiLife.com/index.cfm?f=media.play&vchrMediaProgramIDCryp=71B30578-377B-4296-A49A-5

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #389 on: April 17, 2007, 03:12:05 AM »
hey gilligan,

looks like a dual osicilator to me.  did you ever buid it?  has anyone ever ran a simulation on something like that.  i wonder where all the power is going to go?

lol
sam

 

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