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Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 1644743 times)

Offline d3adp00l

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #390 on: April 17, 2007, 06:45:20 AM »
I wish I was as good at animation as most of you guys seem to be. nice avi.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #391 on: April 17, 2007, 10:50:52 PM »
hey gilligan,

looks like a dual osicilator to me.  did you ever buid it?  has anyone ever ran a simulation on something like that.  i wonder where all the power is going to go?

lol
sam
No sam I have not run a simulation on it.  I wish that guy with the MIT whiteboard would scribble it up and give it a simulation run though I'd be interested to see how it fares.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #392 on: April 18, 2007, 12:36:13 AM »
Hi all !

When I first saw this pendulum oscilator system ... I was astonished that something so simple
has not allready been built and powering our houses from middle age to this day. This Veljkos oscilator system had one small flaw so it can be built every time and work every time predictibly.
 This resolution of mine is small contribution to great Veljkos work and toughts and now
we have complete easy to build solution to our energy crisis...till we think of electronic analogy
of this tremendous mechanicall system. Every house, even every flat can have it's own
self sustaining generator, that is why we came here. Many Thanks to Harty who invested so much energy, will, knowledge ...
 We can say that finaly we have a device that can make us independent from everydays non
productive jobs that not only wastes our time, energy ... these jobs we DO are actually helping
destroing all thats worth...even the planet we live on...we cannot even quit... This paradox must STOP, sooner the better.

greetings !

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #392 on: April 18, 2007, 12:36:13 AM »
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Offline wizkycho

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #393 on: April 18, 2007, 01:45:12 AM »
hi again !

well maybe I didn't tought it through enough... seems like i have only shortened one side
(input arm) and if so the mass of input weight must increasse proportionaly to be able to lift output arm weight...
something else should be done to lower input altitude change in case when output allowed to
lift mass higher.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #394 on: April 19, 2007, 03:48:42 PM »
Wizkycho,

Why does your design have a second pendulum near the fulcrum?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #394 on: April 19, 2007, 03:48:42 PM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #395 on: April 19, 2007, 07:46:26 PM »
A pendulum driven hammer..  8)
My first thought was slap a piezo crystal in there where that hammer strikes.
 ::)

 ;) Post results please :P


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #396 on: May 02, 2007, 01:38:48 PM »
Hi All,

I found this interesting link referenced in Naudin's yahoo list.  It deals with harnessing secondary oscillations in connection with Milkovic dual mechanical oscillating setup.

http://www.keelytech.com/news.html

Gyula

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #396 on: May 02, 2007, 01:38:48 PM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #397 on: May 02, 2007, 04:16:40 PM »
Hello Gyulasun!

Thanks for this link! I found it really interesting. I liked it specially because the author makes a point that even if Milkovic is partly wrong in his theoretical approach, that's not to stop to research experimentally.

I know that one rather well known scientist performed a full lagrangean analysis of Milkovic ideas, and found nothing OU on it. But, the scientist did not discourage Milkovic and told him that experimentation was the only way to try new ideas, and encourgaed him to follow that path. The experimental approach is what can save the day, as theories are not cast in stone and can always change.

Regards.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #398 on: May 03, 2007, 01:50:03 PM »
I know that one rather well known scientist performed a full lagrangean analysis of Milkovic ideas, and found nothing OU on it.

You have a link for us chilean?

thanks.  :)

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #399 on: May 04, 2007, 01:36:00 AM »
No link, sorry Gaby, I acquired the information in a discussion with this scientist in a closed forum.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #400 on: May 05, 2007, 12:06:01 PM »
PFFFFFFF !!!!

And you believe such nonsense?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #401 on: May 05, 2007, 12:39:21 PM »
lol

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #402 on: May 05, 2007, 04:27:25 PM »
I know that one rather well known scientist performed a full lagrangean analysis of Milkovic ideas, and found nothing OU on it.

but... but... there is nothing "full analysis" about Lagrange.

and... and... there is nothing "well known" about the scientist either?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_mechanics
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This considerably simplifies many physical problems. For example, consider a bead on a hoop. If one were to calculate the motion of the bead using Newtonian mechanics, one would have a complicated set of equations which would take into account the forces that the hoop exerts on the bead at each moment.

The same problem using Lagrangian mechanics is much simpler. One looks at all the possible motions that the bead could take on the hoop and mathematically finds the one which minimizes the action. There are fewer equations since one is not directly calculating the influence of the hoop on the bead at a given moment. One of the key advantages of Lagrangian mechanics is that no vector quantities are involved in the calculations, which simplifies problems a great deal.

ROFL !

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #403 on: May 05, 2007, 11:07:27 PM »
Hi All,

I found this interesting link referenced in Naudin's yahoo list.  It deals with harnessing secondary oscillations in connection with Milkovic dual mechanical oscillating setup.

Gyula

Hi Gyula,

Hans is correct in saying that the beam placed in resonant motion will start a
stationary pendulum in motion. This is because of the radius change of the
pendulum suspension. But this is the "only" case where the non feedback to the
pendulum can be dis-proven.

All that is required is a link from the beam to a vertical linear slide and no motion
of the secondary beam will induce the pendulum to swing.

In other words a very long secondary beam with short vertical travel will minimize
the radius change, thus reduce to zero any feedback from the secondary beam.

Take Care, 
Ron






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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #404 on: May 06, 2007, 10:12:29 PM »
While I believe the rig is nothing more than a lever, why not use simple voice coil motors to both extract the output and provide kicks to the pendulum?

 

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