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Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 1593588 times)

Offline FreeEnergy

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #315 on: February 23, 2007, 10:04:02 PM »
*edit*

Please explain what you mean?

sorry but i messed up on my last post. think i had a bit too much to drink. so i came back and erased it.


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #316 on: February 24, 2007, 12:28:11 AM »

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Thats allowed,  <grin>


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #317 on: March 04, 2007, 09:23:19 PM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #318 on: March 05, 2007, 06:24:04 PM »
Thanks njamnjam,

Well its still looking a pretty rough prototype. The input coil setup could certainly be better arranged. but even so he's still getting overunity:-

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There is only a small electrical advantage with just six induction coils on the secondary oscillator wheel as presently configured. The input coil consumes 1 amp at twelve volts at approximately a 20% duty cycle which comes to around 2.4 Watts. The output is between 200 and 300 mAmps, at between 14 and 15 Volts, which comes to around 3.5 Watts AC (sine wave). These are very rough measurements and don't represent a full curve analysis of the input and output.

So maybe like he says, a more efficient setup really could get some meaningful results.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #319 on: March 05, 2007, 07:11:27 PM »
one could always capture the voltage of field colapse from the main coil...get the input current down abit.

working on low energy input system at the moment

if it works, details will follow

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #319 on: March 05, 2007, 07:11:27 PM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #320 on: March 07, 2007, 03:23:47 PM »
Hi all.
Well this has been a very interesting topic up to now, save for the lack of working experiments. I've never posted before but you'll see why i decided to today.

You gotta see what my brother built last night. I went over and made a video of it and took some pictures. Very interesting ideed, but I have to say, we didn't find anything remarkable in the design.

Some notes:
There is a particularly large effort involved to get the pendulum swinging initially (easily forgotten)
Subsequent pushes on the pendulum could be compared to the output on the wheel of the bicycle, except that the lever stops moving when there is a small load on the wheel.

See for yourself and comments will be welcomed.

Will post the video in the next reply because this keeps failing. It 12Mb.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #321 on: March 07, 2007, 03:37:55 PM »
Hi all.
Well this has been a very interesting topic up to now, save for the lack of working experiments. I've never posted before but you'll see why i decided to today.

You gotta see what my brother built last night. I went over and made a video of it and took some pictures. Very interesting ideed, but I have to say, we didn't find anything remarkable in the design.

Some notes:
There is a particularly large effort involved to get the pendulum swinging initially (easily forgotten)
Subsequent pushes on the pendulum could be compared to the output on the wheel of the bicycle, except that the lever stops moving when there is a small load on the wheel.

See for yourself and comments will be welcomed.

Will post the video in the next reply because this keeps failing. It 12Mb.

There is a little detail stated on: http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/OscilacijeEng.html

QUOTE: "The best results were achieved with the lever axel and pendulum at the same height, and the base of the massive lever above the centre of mass, as shown in Figure 1."

From your picture I don't clearely see how this is achieved (you maybe carefully consider it though). However, I'm waiting for the clip and your comments.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #321 on: March 07, 2007, 03:37:55 PM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #322 on: March 07, 2007, 04:45:09 PM »
OK here's a video

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #323 on: March 07, 2007, 09:28:51 PM »
It's shown the system, and briefely the whole oscilating thing.
It's suppose to be in resonance, and in short periods from clip, to me it looks not "tuned" on the same frequency. It might need you to play with the arm lenght and/or weights.
I'm not to much in mechanic engineering but I think this was to reason to use the simulator in previous posts: to find an optimum.

Secondly, the chain mechanism is not a reductor (like the speed gears)? If so, it's normal to have less power and more speed.

Good luck and don't give up!

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #323 on: March 07, 2007, 09:28:51 PM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #324 on: March 08, 2007, 11:10:23 PM »
Hi all!

PESWiki updated the article about Milkovic's two-stage oscillator and here is what is new:

New video presentation of Veljko Milkovic - Universal Two-Stage Mechanical Oscillator - A Mechanical Amplifier  - Professionally filmed and edited video includes English subtitles (35min)

Google Video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6377655322209610872

or

download (38.3 MB, wmv)
http://www.micropixel.biz/veljkomilkovic/videos/Veljko_Milkovic_(video-8)_Universal_two-stage_oscillator_full_presentation.wmv


Also there is a supportive statement by Peter Lindemann, D.Sc. (USA):
Opinion on the Two-Stage Mechanical Oscillator (156 KB PDF)
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Opinion_Dr_Peter_Lindemann.PDF


Independent Replications:

Milkovic-Berrett Secondary Oscillator Generator
"The input coil consumes 1 amp at twelve volts at approximately a 20% duty cycle which comes to around 2.4 Watts. The output is between 200 and 300 mAmps, at between 14 and 15 Volts, which comes to around 3.5 Watts AC (sine wave)..."
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Milkovic-Berrett_Secondary_Oscillator_Generator


Discussion group:
Milkovic-Berrett Oscillator Generator
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PES_Berrett/

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #325 on: March 09, 2007, 01:47:57 AM »
Looking though my scrap bin I noticed there were sufficient parts to build one of these devices without too much expense. Beginning with the pendulum I wanted to reduce the losses due to friction, so I soldered a thin quarter inch steel belt (broken printer) directly to some berrings taking from an old hard drive. This berring is connected to the lever arm attached to a steel tube on a wood plank....

Isn't this setup similar to a double pendulum? Imagine you are sitting on the first ball of a double pendulum (which is our lever). I'm too lazy to bother with the math, but I'm fairly certain the Milkovic device is a constrained double pendulum.

...back to the model.
« Last Edit: March 09, 2007, 02:25:29 AM by bitRAKE »

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #325 on: March 09, 2007, 01:47:57 AM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #326 on: March 09, 2007, 06:13:59 AM »
lol you do realize that the above pendullum is absolutely unbalanced and another thing that initial force isnt exactly a difficult thing to overlook for the sheer fact it only needs to be started once, after that its maintenance that needs to be maintained. which as has been shown by brians reproduction can be done quite easily even in his basic first try design he showed a 1.5x output of power and that was via extremely inefficent design he admits.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #327 on: March 09, 2007, 06:25:31 AM »
whats with people on here always trying to prove a law violation via simulations.... THE SIMULATIONS ARE BASED ON THE LAWS... dear god build the device and try it see if you can get it to work or improve it why the need to be pesimist. I think the best person is brian from the yahoogroup/peswiki atleast he put forth to recreate the device and actually showed it working as well as had stirling meat with him to show the device it works at 2.5w input and 3.5w output

stirling confirmed it only runs for about 15 seconds before he runs into issues each time but says its mostly because of the flimsy design and the many inefficiencys that brian already said he knows how to overcome ... such as a geared ratched  flywheel and the addition of more coils to get the voltage up as well as reducing friction and increasing stability throughout the device.

Want to know what makes this true in the simplest way and i can tell you its true straight from common sense swing the pendullum i can maintain a swinging pendullum with my pinky, however the opposing side of the lever as shown in the milkovic video can operate 10 flash lights at once i dont know about you but my pinky cant force down 10 flashlights atleast not without a hell of alot of effort and probably cracking my knuckle.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #328 on: March 09, 2007, 07:50:15 AM »
Hi all.
Well this has been a very interesting topic up to now, save for the lack of working experiments. I've never posted before but you'll see why i decided to today.

You gotta see what my brother built last night. I went over and made a video of it and took some pictures. Very interesting ideed, but I have to say, we didn't find anything remarkable in the design.

Some notes:
There is a particularly large effort involved to get the pendulum swinging initially (easily forgotten)
Subsequent pushes on the pendulum could be compared to the output on the wheel of the bicycle, except that the lever stops moving when there is a small load on the wheel.

See for yourself and comments will be welcomed.

Will post the video in the next reply because this keeps failing. It 12Mb.

Many thanks for the effort,
but I must say, you did not convert the motion ofthe output very well
to the wheel.
There are many losses within the conversion via the bicycle mechanism, so it is
surely not very efficient...
Maybe you can attach at the up- and downgoing output shaft a few big magnets and
place itinside a coil and have a lamp as the load to the coil, so it is lighting
up via induction.
That would be a much better output test I guess.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #329 on: March 09, 2007, 08:32:04 AM »
make sure the lever arm and the pendulum are in balance. in other words when the pendulum is at a dead stop the lever arm stays freely horizontal. must adjust weights accordingly.

 

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