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Offline baudirenergie

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1695 on: July 30, 2019, 12:01:23 AM »
You must be aware that batteries can chemically produce current when they are under rated voltage or depleted.
Only capacitors can show true situation like Mr. Itsu did. He understood problem.
And he used supercaps.
You will be fooled with batteries.

Dont use batteries to.prove OU. Use capacitors of big capacitance, supercaps.

Why dont you do it and show to everyone OU? Why ask Mr. Gear to do it? Hmm?
Is that the same thing Rick does?
Envolve everyone to solve things for him?

Please do it, take a measurements and come back with results?
Dont take Ricks path of stating and doing nothing!
Thats the worst path!
Sorry, I wrote "...should be completly empty.". I meant make it completly empty to the under cutoff voltage like 11V. My comment discribes exactly what big battery labratories do, to test their battery banks. You have to run the batteries into their specs and measure the Watt hour. You can do it for example 3 times and will see, that you have very accurate results, if the discharge rate and temperature of the cells are nearly the same.

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Why dont you do it and show to everyone OU? Why ask Mr. Gear to do it? Hmm?
Please read it again, I have write to Mr. Gear: "After your run you can unload all batteries in your system over the Wh-Meter and can prove for YOURSELF....".
Even if I could supply a whole city from a button cell, you would say that I have a measurement error. :D
So it makes no sense to proof anything. You are to intelligent or what they call it here "accurate" for me. I don't claim OU. I see only gains for myself.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1695 on: July 30, 2019, 12:01:23 AM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1696 on: July 30, 2019, 12:03:20 AM »
Mr. Gear just send me email.

He is also moderated because Rick!
Is this how things are going here?

I hope Rick will bring you glory. You can moderate me as well!

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1697 on: July 30, 2019, 12:05:03 AM »
Anyway, if we just have longer lasting batteries on our loads, that is really great...

so instead of running a 3 Watts LED light on a 12 Volts 7 Amphour=84 Wh lead acid battery for 28 hours,
you now can now run it for 100 hours,
 that would be a great thing and a good circuit to use !

DonĀ“t you agree ??

Hi Stefan. Here is the issue with this.
If I connect a 12V MR16 LED bulb to a 12V battery directly, it will light with an efficiency of 100%,
minus any losses of any internal circuit components which may be inside the bulb itself.
Unless Rick's setup is OU, then it will light 12V LED bulbs with less efficiency than connecting
the bulbs directly to a 12V battery, due to losses in his driver circuit and in the other components in 
his setup.

All the best...


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1697 on: July 30, 2019, 12:05:03 AM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1698 on: July 30, 2019, 12:47:33 AM »
Hi TK,
The LED bulbs used are the 12 V version of the MR16 types, made for both AC and DC operation.
See such at ebay what  a.king21 included as example here:
https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg533892/topicseen/#msg533892   
Gyula
Yes, I know, and I also know that there are probably thousands of different types of 12 volt MR16 LED bulbs. Some have COB LEDs, some have discrete 5mm LEDs, some have 3 or 4 or eight emitters... but most importantly SOME are just a resistor and series LEDs, and MANY incorporate the MAX16820 type High Brightness Dimmable LED controller chip inside.

This is why we need to know the _exact make and model_ of the LEDs used in RF's demonstrations, so we can get some of our own to test. It is certainly possible that a MR16 12 volt LED bulb with the MAX chip in it might behave very differently from one that just has a resistor and LEDs inside.

How are you going to correlate mere brightness with input power if there is a chip in there? And that chip is trying to maintain constant _visible_ brightness by PWMing its power to the LEDs as the input varies or fluctuates, and also can respond to PWM on the input side by being dimmable with COTS dimmer controllers.

Even with a good lightmeter, that chip is going to fool you more than once. I think if the bulb has the chip in it, the way to go will be to do a DC calibration on the LEDs themselves, and then scope the output of the driver chip as it goes to the LEDs, and so on, et cetera.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1699 on: July 30, 2019, 12:54:19 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18kOGVfkoik&t=5619s

37 min 00sek ==> 38 min 20 sek
Sure, he _says_ he can use the output of one of his coils to actually run the frequency generator. Aren't you curious at all why he doesn't actually SHOW that?


« Last Edit: July 30, 2019, 03:11:17 AM by TinselKoala »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Offline rickfriedrich

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1700 on: July 30, 2019, 04:20:23 AM »
Well this thread rather amusing. Like a bunch of parrots repeating the same thing in the same room.  ::)

I go away for a minute and find ya'll slipping back into that old fallacy of thinking you can prove or disprove something over the internet. Same old assumption again and again. You are all so upset because I have taken away your online game here. For some it's a hobby game and others its a job no doubt. But to me it is funny how silly this is getting. You go on and on for hours, weeks, and now months in circles. Not just circle reasonings but circle circuits that kill the source charge. You'd think this was an Underunity list or something. The rules are there can be no overunity because that is the rule, that's the way circuits work of course. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't use meters of course!

Carroll,

You can assume whatever you like but I do use meters in the real world. I think I just showed an anemometer on video yesterday. hmmm that's meaningless. You guys don't even watch my videos and have no clue about anything I do. I think that is obvious enough.

Well, working in electronics doesn't even mean you know what the parts do. All I know about you guys is that I know nothing about you but a screen name and that you are a bunch of parrots saying the same things over and over again that there is nothing in what I showed. Again, if that was so then you would all have moved on. But you are all so very worked up about it. And just look at the views to this thread, 130,000!! hmmmm, must be nothing here. Move along. You guys are so confused because you keep assuming that you can prove or disprove something on these forums. You can't. Even one of you who believes this wants me to try and prove something over the videos. I've already done what they expect to be proof over video. But I don't want to encourage people to believe something like this over video. You must prove to yourself these things. The only "way to verify his claims" Carroll is in the real world! I've been doing that for 15 years. I've also showed more videos of these kind of stuff that most people or maybe anyone. Who knows. But I don't pretend to try and convince anyone of these things. I share information. I do cheesy videos when I get a moment, because I am showing a friend some point. Ya'll take things too seriously. You're so intent on disproving things with arguments from ignorance as this post reveals. You are certain I don't know anything, but are so bothered by it that you are obsessed with this.

Is this forum about OU or showing OU to be impossible? If it is about OU and I don't know anything about it, and surely am mistaken, then are there not any credible OU claims out there? Surely I am not the only one left am I? But no, you all really do believe there is something here. You are really upset that it has gotten so much traction. You present yourselves as interested in OU but constantly argue against the possibility. You make your limited understanding of conventional theory the standard. Well I quoted the leading authority and no one responded. It was the very heart of the matter. Then suddenly there was two or three pages filled of distractions. Typical response. You guys just pretend to no be able to see what Barrett said. You pretend to not believe in many body independent reactive systems. You pretend to just believe in the single closed looped circuit. But I'm not so convinced. Your body language reveals the truth by your reactions, omissions and methods. Again, your zeal to attack this information is based on the fact that you know this to be true and you don't want it to be revealed.

Anyway, so much of your arguments would be true IF, iiiiiiiifffffffff this was happening IN THE REAL WORLD! Remember, I did that video to bring out this reaction from all of you because I have been at this for 15 years and know all these games people like you play. Most of you have fallen on your faces and been exposed now. Most of you still assume you can prove something or disprove something over the internet. But that has been long settled now. It takes away all your relevance. Because you have nothing positive to offer but rude criticism. You guys show no real evidence of knowledge of Tesla, Stienmetz, Barrett, etc., or of Overunity claims in general. So all this is meaningless chatter. I wrote hundreds of responses to you but there has been only a few responses. How disproportionate ya think? One of me and how many of you in your relay tag team. lol. Why don't you start by telling me or us how Barrett doesn't know anything about electricity? Or Brad, why don't you tell us why people like me are giving Tesla a bad name? Prove from Tesla that he didn't teach on these things? You guys haven't done your homework, you are just using every fallacy in the book, including the unverifiable claims that you are some experts. These are just words. As for me, I don't play such games by thinking I can prove something over the internet. I prove things in the real world. But you just only exist in cyberland apparently. So you can create your own virtual reality I guess. Anyway, go read Barrett and figure out what he was getting at if you are so expert. Just maybe you will begin to realize what I have been doing all these years...

The problem is that Rick NEVER makes any real measurements.  All he makes are excuses for why he doesn't make measurements.  A flat discharge curve from a battery doesn't mean anything if you don't know the amount of current being drawn from the battery.  If a battery has been fully charged and then allowed to rest for a few hours and then lightly loaded it will actually show an increase in voltage for the first few minutes because as the battery is first being used it will warm up slightly and that will increase the voltage.  Many inexperienced experimenters are fooled by this.

You are criticizing people that have been working in electronics for many many years.  They have put thousands of hours into investigating claims like Rick's.  Unless Rick is willing to share more than he has there just isn't any way to verify his claims.

Respectfully,
Carroll

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1701 on: July 30, 2019, 07:13:05 AM »
I watched your latest video with the fans and charging circuit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0pWApv7jdk


Might the decrease in input current be a result of obtaining better efficiency?


To you, is "Free Energy" the same as "Overunity"?


Perhaps you are squeezing "more" energy from the source to the load....this does not necessarily mean it is free or OU.


I am sure I did some circuit simulation testing many years ago with this setup, and achieved the same results you just showed. I will have to see if I can find it.

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Offline rickfriedrich

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1702 on: July 30, 2019, 08:31:21 AM »
Oh I won't forget your prejudice. You assume that I am mistaken by 150 to 250 times. Yeah, you are the expert to prove things out so that everyone is to believe what you say. The guy to ensure that no claim on OUR ever qualifies. A true gate keeper indeed!

I addressed those questions in the video and comments.

So if I obtained better efficiency with a single moving of a diode (and adding another) then how can that be explained? Surely I am an idiot according to you and most of you guys on these two lists. Surely I don't use meters and or know the first thing about anything. So how could I figure out how to make the input drop by 70-80ma on such a fan that is made by the millions? All with just repositioning of a diode? That must be a fairly important thing? How could that be overlooked? hmmmm, I wonder if there may be something else in this?

What about the battery charging? We are not just talking about greater efficiency (when it is fairly high already), but a battery charging as well. Now as I said in the video, that is not the ideal way to do this. But it does give people something to consider. It gives them something they didn't have before while they still have the same CFMs. So that extra is free. Now if it was not a very popular motor then you could say well it may just have been running very inefficiently. But this helps people to see what they are missing. Again, the better way is to replace the circuitry as is usually done, but that doesn't give the exact comparison with the same CFMs and self-starting.

I'm sure you guys would never be able to settle upon what the real efficiency of any motor really is so that you would never be able to evaluate any such claim. Like I said, you will be at this for another 5 years playing with words while some of continue to use such fans for another 5 years (as I have used for 14 years). But if you can find an pulse motor that you can be confident as to its real efficiency and decide what it would take to for there to be free energy above that, then I would be impressed that you got to first base. I doubt however that you would even admit if you got 10% more energy than what is supposed to be possible. Maybe you would say that is not free energy. It's all word games isn't with you guys. Oh and number games. Now what would you do if the batteries could just keep rotating around all summer long? Or if the input battery stayed the same while additional loads were added to the output?

It doesn't matter guys, it is just a video. It doesn't matter if I show a meter like this. I could show you the same with the bulbs as you have been asking, but then you would not have written what you have. You would still not believe. And that is fine, because I never expect you to believe a stranger over the internet. You are not here to examine everything. If I showed the bulbs with all the meters, light meters, scope shots, etc., what would happen. The exact same things that have been happening from day one. I am automatically wrong because I violate what you claim is impossible. In the end people can believe what they want from information that is shared. People can believe that human flight is not possible while others fly around the world. People can modify fans, as tens of thousands have over the last 14 years, and they can have excess power. Others will play word and number games and stay in the school debate room. Some of us deal with real-world technology and use these processes to make motors do whatever we want. These are not new ideas. This is over 100 years. It is rather amazing that we can have two large forums where you are considered an expert, and put in place as a gate keeper over OU claims, and you don't even have the very basic experience of OU yet! And all the while you rail on me for sharing some information while I repeatedly say that you cannot prove or disprove OU over the internet. So no, I have zero confidence that you will ever say anything positive or admit to anything that resembles free energy or OU. The whole lot of you play tag-team to try and disprove anything like that. You guys have zero foundation for OU research. You have no justification for OU possibilities just like G finally admitted. You act like you are open but you give zero reason. Actually negative/below zero as you aggressively attack the very idea of OU directly and indirectly.

I'm sure you have done everything Mr. Expert. So why doesn't everyone just then conclude that there is no such thing as OU. The gatekeeper has spoken. The man behind the curtain is the new Wizard of OZ!

I watched your latest video with the fans and charging circuit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0pWApv7jdk


Might the decrease in input current be a result of obtaining better efficiency?


To you, is "Free Energy" the same as "Overunity"?


Perhaps you are squeezing "more" energy from the source to the load....this does not necessarily mean it is free or OU.


I am sure I did some circuit simulation testing many years ago with this setup, and achieved the same results you just showed. I will have to see if I can find it.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1703 on: July 30, 2019, 01:30:17 PM »
: "After your run you can unload all batteries in your system over the Wh-Meter and can prove for YOURSELF....".
Even if I could supply a whole city from a button cell, you would say that I have a measurement error. :D
So it makes no sense to proof anything. You are to intelligent or what they call it here "accurate" for me. I don't claim OU. I see only gains for myself.

I dont want to be intelligent.

 I been fooled with my own measurements so many times, and I was thinking that I have OU.
Then I realized that only transient power measurements are valid, and accurate.
And when I started to practice that, it was easy for me to see my own mistakes and pitfalls.

Mr. Void is trying to tell you same thing over and over but nobody listen.

Measure input power and load power, and then you can see how your system works.
There is no other way!
Any other way leads to your own pitfall!

I am not sure what are you saying here?
After the run, you remove batteries and system works?

Look at Kapanadze videos. Does he affraid to show 20+ Amps on output?
And he shows how much is going back to system.

There is reason that person does not want to measure transient power.
If he does, everything in which he believe can go down into the oblivion in split second.
But on the other hand, transient measurement can show more on load than input, which is very good, and solves everything.

Why the fear of the transient measurements? It is very quick and easy!
Mr. Itsu does that all the time and show it in his videos.
Trust the instruments, not your eyes.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1704 on: July 30, 2019, 01:46:17 PM »
Even if I could supply a whole city from a button cell, you would say that I have a measurement error. :D
So it makes no sense to proof anything.
If you measure on your button cell transient power of 1 Watt, and on the line which powers city 10 Watt, then you have OU, and I dont have to trust anything except your proper measurement.
And, yes, then I believe you.

It has sense to proper measure!

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1705 on: July 30, 2019, 02:03:32 PM »
Rick truth is nobody here gets to have the final word or be perceived a "God" , the place is now filled with experimenters ...who have learned all the mistakes
the hard way

problem is you actually ,you're not posting an experiment to be discussed and investigated.
you are actually playing the wizzard here !

 Poynts contributions and investigations are always well presented and transparent !
and he will spend his time explaining [tons of time] and being certain others can question any issue they might have
100%. [has a decade or more of this track record here and elsewhere.

never seen anyone have an issue with that.and I have never once seen a person teach Poynt OU .

please be the first to do that !!
I must add there are experiments with small gains which seem to taunt...but those cannot self run or be looped,and most definitely not run big loads with small input.
Stefan if your friends won't share their work here [seems none of Ricks students will either ...]maybe put a budget to this and we'll pick a builder to fund
and do it here .100% transparent energy audit .even let Rick pick the builder !!
end of story..the truth !!


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1706 on: July 30, 2019, 02:07:02 PM »
Why are transient power measurement valid?

Because it covers phase shifting and shows real average power.
You can be fooled with phase shift so much, and transient measurements math correct that aspect for you, measuring true average power.

Buy a cheap scope, and cheap current probe and start to see your own mistakes.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1707 on: July 30, 2019, 02:15:30 PM »
(snip)
problem is you actually (snip)
Actually that's right.  RF's problem is "you". That is, his problem does not reside in himself. He has no problems. He'd be fine except for all the "youse" who keep asking him to support his claims with evidence rather than anecdote.

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« Reply #1708 on: July 30, 2019, 02:15:34 PM »
If the Rick has OU, that would be great!
Even I will buy his products to support him.

But sooner or later, he has to do transient power measurement to see for himself what he got.
After that, the whole world will believe him.
He wont need to write novels any more.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1709 on: July 30, 2019, 02:20:39 PM »
By the way... I'd still like to see the evidence for the claim that Rick can run his transmitter's Frequency Generator from the output of one, or even several, of his receiver coils. 

I'm not asking you to "PROVE" anything, Rick. Just support your statement -- this one in particular -- with a simple demonstration. I'm sure I could do it in a five minute video without even speaking -- if I had an OU wireless power transmission system.

(Thanks, seaad, for the image from the video, saved me a lot of trouble)

 

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