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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 281658 times)

Offline rickfriedrich

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1755 on: July 31, 2019, 08:15:55 AM »
Nice red herring fallacy.

Good grief.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1756 on: July 31, 2019, 11:28:30 AM »
Rick Friedrich, make it better and clearer :
http://www.rexresearch.com/benitezbattycharg/benitez.html
" ...  Bedini revealed himself to not do proper and sufficient experiments..... "
".. Patrick Kelly's Free Energy book also misleads you... "

"battery killer" :calculating with conventional battery lifetime each produced/stored KWh is in the minimum15 -25 US$cents range,shortening the battery lifetime 1/3- up to 1/2 - makes the costs higher !

"FREE ENERGY WILL HELP TO HEAL THE WORLD" ,
                                              30 UScents/KWh "FREE ENERGY" ?

CO2- neutral 50% efficiency gen-sets produce, recycleable fuel !, in the 15 US$cents range.
With the israelitan inventor David Judbarovski his hydrogen concept 50% eff. gen-sets produce n the 5- 10 US$cents range !Dr.Pavel Imris static capacitive windings dynamo in the < 5 US$cents/KWh !

Offline ramset

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1757 on: July 31, 2019, 12:23:03 PM »
Rick when this topic hit the forum..it had nothing to do with batteries AKing told us you had soosed ? or sorted Don Smith...and kapenadze
etc etc ?maybe even the TPU..?
this was the secret to all these devices? nothing at all about needing batteries [was my impression]

plenty here have done battery swapping experiments .could never see a Magic gain when hooked up to appropriate equipment ?
that being said ,yes it is easy to juggle batteries ...let them rest and work within battery friendly load conditions and not have to charge them as much .
..one member commented that this cycling of batteries was an old Ham radio trick from many years ago.  ...So we buy more batteries to run big loads ?
how many to run a 1KW load ?[continuous ??}
since now its about the batteries ..
I think most here were not too interested since you had said you no longer do these ?  you found a solid state method to harvest energy?
Don't think for one second that any builder here when presented with an experiment would not perform the experiment.And no one here is suppressing these experiments except You.
lighting fires around others to distract from the problem [lack of an experiment]not good.
  I see it is hard to explain in an open source forum something which is not open sourced ...[no experiment to prove]
  Yes members are confused by this.. If we were having this discussion in Ricks factory We would understand getting thrown out for requesting proprietary information. here we are supposed to be open source friends not customers .
Open source an experiment and stand Back and watch what happens.100% transparent investigation for all to see ,Discuss, and replicate.
But you already know that..and as of this writing ...it has not happened.
   Here in the membership are persons who would save lives with this immediately !!and yet you type ........as if we discuss cake recipes ....or knitting techniques ....or point to others and type about suppression ??YEESH !!
Chet K

  Hopefully Stefan's friend can show something special !!and all the info to replicate .
 

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1757 on: July 31, 2019, 12:23:03 PM »
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Offline citfta

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1758 on: July 31, 2019, 12:44:16 PM »
Assuming each red led is at 2 volts and 20ma = 40 mw consumption per red led = 0.04 watts.
Therefore 25  red leds = 1 watt consumption. We have over 50 of these so we have to add a further 2 watts output to our calculations in addition to the 1/2 watt lit mr16s. (he he)

I only see 11 leds being lit.  I agree there are probably 50 coils but most of them don't seem to be connected to anything.  So the claim of lighting 50 leds doesn't seem to be correct.
Carroll

Offline lancaIV

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1759 on: July 31, 2019, 01:56:03 PM »
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.labsphere.com/site/assets/files/2570/the-radiometry-of-light-emitting-diodes-leds.pdf&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwi97YKEjN_jAhWnxIUKHRqhB3AQFggQMAA&usg=AOvVaw0hdJdpgSoCQnk5SqzH6I8N
linear versus progressive :
viewing angle 60°/30° : 4 times the power

We can do experiments -at first- for a better private household " light generator" ! Beginning with small steps. !

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Offline a.king21

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1760 on: July 31, 2019, 02:12:25 PM »
I only see 11 leds being lit.  I agree there are probably 50 coils but most of them don't seem to be connected to anything.  So the claim of lighting 50 leds doesn't seem to be correct.
Carroll
Again an assumption without any facts.  If you could be BOTHERED to go to the video, Rick disconnects his camera and does closeups on the coils so you can see the leds lit.


And here is another fact. Rick's leds are much dimmer than comparable leds, which is why I swapped them for superbright leds.
However Rick's leds are more durable.  I have only lost one of Rick's leds but several superbright ones.  If you make a supposedly scientific comment then you should double check your science or you do not come over as credible.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1761 on: July 31, 2019, 02:18:03 PM »
Chet,I allow in my calculation a battery/capacitor for the " starting 'kick'", because actually battery and charger and con-/inverter makes such continous use systems to expensive. !
Motor and transformer need also for the first process beginning cycles high current draw :without "inrush current limiter" - up to 20 times the nominal current value
Aliernatively the ancient ic-mobile starting device : hand-curbe

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Offline a.king21

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1762 on: July 31, 2019, 02:19:06 PM »
Stefan: the notion of batteries in the circuit is an important one.  If you go to Rick's video on the Heavyside component he
explains the science there.  And again it is a secret revealed.
The use of capacitors as comparable (as some experimenters have done) is just ignorance of the experimenter who knows nothing about this ou science.
When it coms to capacitors there is much experimentation to be done.  For example reforming capacitors and conditioning them ( and conditioning batteries) is an important aspect of this science.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1763 on: July 31, 2019, 02:22:57 PM »
Nice red herring fallacy.

How can an image of YOUR POSTS be a "fallacy"?  Seek help, Rick.
Meanwhile, either demonstrate the truth of this claim, or admit that it is false:


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1764 on: July 31, 2019, 02:27:37 PM »
Stefan: the notion of batteries in the circuit is an important one.  If you go to Rick's video on the Heavyside component he
explains the science there.  And again it is a secret revealed.
The use of capacitors as comparable is just ignorance of the experimenter who knows nothing about this ou science.
When it coms to capacitors there is much experimentation to be done.  For example reforming capacitors and conditioning them  and conditioning batteries is an important aspect of this science.
My hope for the future is that these developments


https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/research-news/battery-lasts-200000-cycles-2016-05/

 and /or
https://memoori.com/biosolar-announces-disruptive-super-battery-54-per-kwh/
will become fast (+- 5 years) available on market by fair prices !
50000 cycles/ 1 charge cycle per day : 137 years
                          4                                            34
54 US$/50000 cycles : 0,0011 US$  per cycle or 0,12 cent/cycle

54 US$ : production price or  fob factory     consumer price?


Alvin Marks calculated his Quantum Energy Storage with < 25 US$ / KW market price (1997)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=US&NR=6501093B1&KC=B1&FT=D&ND=3&date=20021231&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#
Referring in citing documents : http://capacitorsciences.com/

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.bollore.com/bollo-content/uploads/2018/01/09-28-16-bluesolutions-capacitorsciences-uk.pdf&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiVlZSmnt_jAhVJcBQKHfQRDr44ChAWCBUwBA&usg=AOvVaw3ekmTeNeUSSYiAHIkHo1yr

https://www.scienceandtechnologyresearchnews.com/newly-devised-static-negative-capacitor-could-improve-computing/

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1765 on: July 31, 2019, 03:10:50 PM »
Assuming each red led is ...

Hi a.king. That is exactly the problem, as you should be fully aware of by now.
You simply can't make assumptions about input power and output power.
This is something which has to be measured properly.

Also, the fact that Stefan says that he thinks you need a battery in there for the system
to 'work', is another potential warning sign to me, because if it doesn't work with super caps or ordinary caps,
then that seems to indicate that the current draw from the battery may actually be higher than is being assumed/stated.

At any rate, all these assumptions about LED power consumption is very counter-productive.
If people are afraid or can't do proper power measurements, at least power some 1 to 3 Watt incandescent bulbs
instead, and then see how the bulbs light. Any demonstration with LEDs is just not at all helpful, as I
pointed out several times already that they can be very misleading and tend to fool a lot of inexperienced people, as
they can glow quite brightly while actually consuming only a relatively very small amount of power.
Any demonstration using LEDs is really of no practical help at all.


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Offline Void

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1766 on: July 31, 2019, 03:23:58 PM »
You guys are just against OU.

Hi Rick. That is just plain silly. Actually, members here who have a lot of experience at analyzing circuits
have made it clear that without proper measurements there is just no way to really know how those circuits are
actually performing. Really though, there should be no reason why these setups can't be self-looped, as that
is a no nonsense test which separates the wheat from the chaff.

I can tell you this. If I had a setup which I thought was showing OU, I would 100% try to self-loop it.
I would do this because I am actually interested in knowing what the actual truth is. It really should be relatively
simple to setup, and you have said yourself in one of your videos that self-looping your setup should
be able to self-power your generator.

Any demonstration using LEDs and which does not at least show proper measurements is
pretty much pointless. Is that really so hard for people to understand? It should really be self-evident here.


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1767 on: July 31, 2019, 03:46:35 PM »
Start point A                to                  Meta/Finishpoint B : 10 meters
10 Km/ h fast human velocity : from A to B 1/1000 hour ;


human KWh per hour : 80 Wh /1000 = 0,08 Wh energy for 10 meters

Stand point A : I or else with full gasoline 5 Liter can/ister and bringing the 5 Liter gasoline can/ister full to Meta/Finish point B

50000 Wh ~ 5 Liter gasoline
                50000 Wh : 0,08 Wh = work performance A-B
                                                   C.O.P. 625000

                                        using humans like simple machines
 f.e.heat from start point A to Meta/Finish point B transporting  devices                                 
                                              called heat pump or fridge
In energetischer Bilanzaufstellung : Idioten !


 

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1768 on: July 31, 2019, 04:06:43 PM »
Hi you lot  :D lets stand back a moment and ask what are the risks ir Rick F comes out and declares full blown that he has free energy devices in kit form for sail hmm?

This site is open to any one to view on the plant, and only recently John Badini and his brother have left the planet under mysterious
circumstances and then you have Steven Greer talking about free energy devices being directly related to the existence of ET's and anti gravity and the 'Men in Black' appearing out of know where in open spaces and using so called death threats
and inventors disappearing or eradicated ect.
I mean would you behave much different to Rick Richard M Fried Hmm for F sake ? be realistic so if it works or not you ain't going
to get proof with the way things are! :-X

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1769 on: July 31, 2019, 04:13:02 PM »
Hi you lot  :D

Hi Raycathode. Thanks, but you are just not helping with silliness like that.   :(
I could swear RF seems to be hypnotizing people... ;)


 

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