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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 432724 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1680 on: July 29, 2019, 09:40:35 PM »
Did anyone ever find out the exact make and model of the LED bulbs used, or whether those LED bulbs use the High Brightness, Dimmable LED driver chip MAX16819 or 20.... which chip tries its best to maintain a constant brightness level of the LEDS it is driving, and/or can respond to PWM modulation of the input to produce the dimmable feature.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1681 on: July 29, 2019, 09:46:05 PM »
You are convinced from Void post but criticize Ricks measurement. Ich have never seen such a flat discharge curve of his statistic in real life. It is simply impossible.
His Videos are made, that you can understand the process that give you gains. You have to replicate it for your own. This Videos are not made to prove anything, only give help for free. If you don't want this information, why you watch it?
99% of you are convinced that Ricks measurements are false. Everyone has confirmed each other in every negative claim about him. Why you are posting this things again and again?  I tell you something: Perhaps you feel there is more there. A big truth. And no one should find it? That is the reason, why you are all came in here and prevent a constructive discussion about that topic. I know it, aking knows it and also the whole hole silence readers, that cracked the code.

You just forced me to watch that video where Rick determines power just looking at one led.
He said "there is lots of power there", without measuring power.
I can not understand this any more.

Void tried to explain to you how to proper measure the power and how leds can deceive.

This is beyond any fairytale.
At beggining of video he stated that he got HV and with voltage more power. What about current.

I am comming to point that this is bad joke!

Scope + voltage probe + current probe + math on scope. Average power.
Any other card trick is a joke.

Rick, come to your senses! Buy a current probe and start act as real researcher!

This is joke, right? This whole thread?

I mean no insult to anyone. But this is a joke? Somebody tell me that I am dreaming.

I will be happy if I am wrong!

I am going to watch some movie. Any movie is better than this. Star wars, anything!

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1682 on: July 29, 2019, 10:03:19 PM »
You are convinced from Void post but criticize Ricks measurement.

Rick does not measure anything. He just quessing power of his circuits.
Where you saw that Rick measuring voltage and current on scope and make a math for power.???

Mr. Itsu does that all the time and showing power. Real transient power.
And Mr. Tinsel is right. If zero current is source, then the source is not needed or small cap will does the job.

This thread is joke of ignorance!

Are you blind?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1683 on: July 29, 2019, 10:12:02 PM »
Did anyone ever find out the exact make and model of the LED bulbs used, or whether those LED bulbs use the High Brightness, Dimmable LED driver chip MAX16819 or 20.... which chip tries its best to maintain a constant brightness level of the LEDS it is driving, and/or can respond to PWM modulation of the input to produce the dimmable feature.
Hi TK,
The LED bulbs used are the 12 V version of the MR16 types, made for both AC and DC operation.
See such at ebay what  a.king21 included as example here:
https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg533892/topicseen/#msg533892   
Gyula

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1684 on: July 29, 2019, 10:23:54 PM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1685 on: July 29, 2019, 10:31:27 PM »
Rick,

One more thing!
I trust what Mr. Itsu, Mr. Tinsel, Mr. Void and Mr. NickZ are showing me over the internet.

I dont trust your videos and statements.
Thats my choice and main only.
You can write novels if you want and it will not change a thing.
Start behaive like researcher and maybe, just maybe you can catch with them.

Start use your instruments and scope, that will help you.
If you dont know how to use your scope for transient purposes, dont be affraid and ask them.
Your level of knowledge is very foggy.

And when you start to use transient math, then you will see your mistakes, not before!

Again, this is not insult. You have 100+ pages of claims. Time to support them with evidence!
Dont you agree?

If you not, go f...,. yourself!

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1686 on: July 29, 2019, 10:38:10 PM »
Very nice. I was blind, but had hope that all this Videos from Rick ends in positive results. It is a barrier for people, that only would greedy grasp something without want to invest some time. That informations are not good for rough people, I think. I can see it on your last comment to Rick..wow!
Why did you make a big deal about measurement. It is very easy to do it very accurate via Watt hour meter (sorry, don't know the correct word in english, it is a DC Watt hour measurement Tool).
First you load your primary battery to maximum and unload it over the Wh-Meter. Now, you know your Wh in your battery or battery bank. Reload it to the same Cutoff Voltage and start your system. All other batteries (for example secondary battery bank) should be completly empty.
After your run you can unload all batteries in your system over the Wh-Meter and can prove for yourself, if your system is over- or underunity. Simply compare the total Wh after your run with the total Wh that you have measured before.
Rick does not measure anything. He just quessing power of his circuits.
Where you saw that Rick measuring voltage and current on scope and make a math for power.???

Mr. Itsu does that all the time and showing power. Real transient power.
And Mr. Tinsel is right. If zero current is source, then the source is not needed or small cap will does the job.

This thread is joke of ignorance!

Are you blind?

Offline WhatIsIt

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1687 on: July 29, 2019, 10:55:54 PM »
Very nice. I was blind, but had hope that all this Videos from Rick ends in positive results. It is a barrier for people, that only greedy grasp something without do invest some time.
Why did you make a big deal about measurement. It is very easzy to do it very accurate via Watt hour meter (sorry, don't know the correct word in english, it is a DC Watt hour measurement Tool).
First you load your primary battery to maximum and unload it over the Wh-Meter. Now, you know your Wh in your battery ory battery bank. Reload it to the same Cutoff Voltage and start your system. All other batteriess (for example secondary battery bank) should be completly empty.
After your run you can unload all batteries in your sytem over the wh-Meter and can prove for yourself, if your system is over- or underunity. Simply compare the total Wh after your run with the Wh that you have measured before.

You must be aware that batteries can chemically produce current when they are under rated voltage or depleted.
Only capacitors can show true situation like Mr. Itsu did. He understood problem.
And he used supercaps.
You will be fooled with batteries.

Dont use batteries to.prove OU. Use capacitors of big capacitance, supercaps.

Why dont you do it and show to everyone OU? Why ask Mr. Gear to do it? Hmm?
Is that the same thing Rick does?
Envolve everyone to solve things for him?

Please do it, take a measurements and come back with results?
Dont take Ricks path of stating and doing nothing!
Thats the worst path!

Offline citfta

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1688 on: July 29, 2019, 11:01:20 PM »
You are convinced from Void post but criticize Ricks measurement. Ich have never seen such a flat discharge curve of his statistic in real life. It is simply impossible.
His Videos are made, that you can understand the process that give you gains. You have to replicate it for your own. This Videos are not made to prove anything, only give help for free. If you don't want this information, why you watch it?
99% of you are convinced that Ricks measurements are false. Everyone has confirmed each other in every negative claim about him. Why you are posting this things again and again?  I tell you something: Perhaps you feel there is more there. A big truth. And no one should find it? That is the reason, why you are all came in here and prevent a constructive discussion about that topic. I know it, aking knows it and also the whole hole silence readers, that cracked the code.

The problem is that Rick NEVER makes any real measurements.  All he makes are excuses for why he doesn't make measurements.  A flat discharge curve from a battery doesn't mean anything if you don't know the amount of current being drawn from the battery.  If a battery has been fully charged and then allowed to rest for a few hours and then lightly loaded it will actually show an increase in voltage for the first few minutes because as the battery is first being used it will warm up slightly and that will increase the voltage.  Many inexperienced experimenters are fooled by this.

You are criticizing people that have been working in electronics for many many years.  They have put thousands of hours into investigating claims like Rick's.  Unless Rick is willing to share more than he has there just isn't any way to verify his claims.

Respectfully,
Carroll

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1689 on: July 29, 2019, 11:02:09 PM »
Mr. Gear,

I like your thinking. Sharp. It introduced some clearance into the mist in this thread.
If I can ask, I can see that you understand things. Is it professional?
You do this kind of things?

Just curious, you dont have to answer.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1690 on: July 29, 2019, 11:04:50 PM »
#1687  : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d9Y9v6txZ9k   ;)
#1670:  rickfriedrich".....  I will present.... "
Give him the chance to explain correctly about his coil concept,function,efficiency !
After several years video presenting the members here should take the patience to wait for his new webside"in summer" and presentation/demonstration !


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1691 on: July 29, 2019, 11:22:26 PM »
The skeptics may have got it wrong.
In this thread it is not going so much about real OU, but the best usage of lead acid batteries with such circuits as Rick´s one and getting the most usefull energy out of it.

So as BauDirEnergie already said, we just see, that the produced Watthours are bigger
than the Start-Energy put into the battery, before the test was started...

With these resonance circuits you can just extract more out of the batteries as the "one-wire"setup from the BackEMF-Line to the second batteries Positive terminal works just like a standing wave
and if you put in there some additional coils or better transformers there, you can extract a lot of energy there on their secondary output of the transformers.


Also the counter EMF that these transformers generate goes back to the driver circuit and really reduces pretty much the input current...

So all in all we probably have here a violation of the Lentz law and a better usage of the inputted energy...

So if it does not work with capacitors or supercaps, that is a different circuit and we should use that.with what it was shown to run... lol...


Anyway, if we just have longer lasting batteries on our loads, that is really great...

so instead of running a 3 Watts LED light on a 12 Volts 7 Amphour=84 Wh lead acid battery for 28 hours,
you now can now run it for 100 hours,
 that would be a great thing and a good circuit to use !

Don´t you agree ??

So this is probably imho the main focus, what Rick wants to show us, as I understand it....


Okay, if the battery is damaged faster than normal, due to these effects, must still be researched..but so far they seems to last quite well...

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1692 on: July 29, 2019, 11:29:01 PM »
Very nice. I was blind, but had hope that all this Videos from Rick ends in positive results. It is a barrier for people, that only would greedy grasp something without want to invest some time. That informations are not good for rough people, I think. I can see it on your last comment to Rick..wow!
Why did you make a big deal about measurement. It is very easy to do it very accurate via Watt hour meter (sorry, don't know the correct word in english, it is a DC Watt hour measurement Tool).
First you load your primary battery to maximum and unload it over the Wh-Meter. Now, you know your Wh in your battery or battery bank. Reload it to the same Cutoff Voltage and start your system. All other batteries (for example secondary battery bank) should be completly empty.
After your run you can unload all batteries in your system over the Wh-Meter and can prove for yourself, if your system is over- or underunity. Simply compare the total Wh after your run with the total Wh that you have measured before.

You are good guy and trust too much. In every circuit you must measure input power and load power.
Otherwise you will be misslead into falxe thing.
I wont go into deep of topic. Lots of guys here done it and saw mistakes.
Nobody here is telling you that as a joke. They also been misslead many times and learned the lesson.
Measure input, output, thats the only way.
Dont trust nobody until you do your measurements.
Most realible measurement is transient one. You must have scope, voltage and current probe and ability to make math on scope.
Every other method sometimes can lead to nowhere.
There is no magic negative power which feeds lots of load. No. You measure how much your load consume. That is correct way.
Always measure! It will also show your mistakes as well!

I dont mean to discourage you.! Always take the measures the proper way!

Sorry to dissapoint you about Rick.



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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1693 on: July 29, 2019, 11:47:51 PM »

....

Anyway, if we just have longer lasting batteries on our loads, that is really great...

so instead of running a 3 Watts LED light on a 12 Volts 7 Amphour=84 Wh lead acid battery for 28 hours,
you now can now run it for 100 hours,
 that would be a great thing and a good circuit to use !

Don´t you agree ??

So this is probably imho the main focus, what Rick wants to show us, as I understand it....

...
But Stefan, Rick clearly stated :

...
Now if we look carefully at your position in these matters with your insistence about measuring LEDs, and your questions to me in that respect, we find that you now show your skepticism bent. Notice I answered your point in that measurement is 0.5W each (it is sometimes 3W when I put the ferrite coil in the transmitter, which also brings down the input to 0.5W) with larger LEDs. There were 15 total as I had 4 smaller coils with larger bulbs as well (one under the table and 4 at the top at one point--10 big coils, 4 smaller, and 1 on a ferrite rod). There were 75 small coils with LEDs totaling over 2W. So we have at least 8W of measured power with 0.75W or less input. All 18 people at the meeting could see that I could continue to add more and more coils with loads which only brought the input down.
...

So he claimed COP > 10 performance between the resonant TX and RX circuits. 

Gyula

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1694 on: July 29, 2019, 11:51:00 PM »
Stefan,

One thing is nott clear to me.
If you believe Rick so much, why you did not give him OU prize.????
 
Or this whole thing was just a show?
What about Mr. Itsu?