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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 31010 times)

Offline tinman

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Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« on: November 10, 2017, 04:53:19 PM »
After receiving a PM from AlianGrey,i have decided to open this thread.

This thread will be a place where we replicate/build to the exact specs,any claimed OU device.
We will need actual builders here,and not just keyboard jockeys.

This thread will be moderated such as to keep it on the straight and narrow,and all comments must be related to the topic/build at the time.

AlianGrey asked in the PM--> what about the Henry Moray device and the Tesla patent and the EV Grey device.
I asked--what devices,and what patent?.

So,if you are a bedini,Ed Grey,Henry Moray,or any other type of fan,and you believe one of them to be an OU device,just place your exact schematic and build specifications here,and i(and hopefully others) will build it to your specification's.

Once you are happy with the build,we will get down to accurate power measurements.

So,who is up first?--what you got?.


Brad

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Offline forest

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2017, 05:08:12 PM »
Does it also pertain to patented devices ?

Offline tinman

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2017, 05:11:33 PM »
Does it also pertain to patented devices ?

Hi Forest.

Any device that has the designer claim it as an OU device.

All you need to supply,is exact build schematics--so as we dont have them say--oh,you did not build it right.


Brad

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2017, 05:11:33 PM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2017, 06:24:50 PM »
If the Community will help the builders with Funding here ?
100% transparent funding ?

this could really be a wonderful place to explore claims?
and also there would be no real limit to what could be looked at here [due to financial limitations ]

and it would also be Fair to the dedicated builders here [and elsewhere] who have put in years of open source selfless work at no cost to this community.

there is a limit ..new projects should have community support, I have a feeling Forest's investigation is quite expensive and involved [if its what he has mentioned in the past]

if this thread gets roots [interest] we can talk to the Boss [our host Stefan] about how to do this funding for these bigger claims .

the problem has been the governments and Taxes ,some fellows have no interest in getting funds sent due to the Tax liabilities
which may be attached to those funds ,and if Stefan [or anyone else ] handles money for this group its a tax problem .

a separate thread should be started for this if this becomes a possibility [Funding here]

the obvious solutions of Paypal and such are not acceptable to some here ?

you must understand the problem ,if we send money to a builder for parts [no income]
he gets charged taxes by his government even tho he is making no money ?
and worse yet all his time spent on top of that ??



I am confident we can sort this !

we have many really good projects sitting waiting for resources ....
really good projects !

a separate thread or system to qualify  these projects and help manage resources would also need doing
we need more people /volunteers for this if it happens !


Offline profitis

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2017, 11:00:07 PM »
"and also there would be no real limit to what could
be looked at here [due to financial limitations ]"

No frigginlimitpal

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2017, 11:00:07 PM »
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Offline tinman

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2017, 12:57:52 PM »
Well as much as i appreciate what Chet is trying to do,i am happy to fund my own builds--with in reason.

So,no takers yet  :o
Where are the free energy Bedini fans?

Anyway,for your entertainment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06xFhUHFnx8

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2017, 04:34:50 PM »
Ok Brad.

Here's one for you.

The one that " Mythbusters " allegedly botched.

Do you, or anyone know of any successful replications? The device, " allegedly " ran for years.   :o

Cheers Grum.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Offline Grumage

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2017, 04:49:55 PM »
As a suggestion, perhaps an " old school " motor with field windings may be advantageous.

A bit like this little beastie....

Cheers Grum.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2017, 04:51:20 PM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2017, 05:14:06 PM »
what's an energizer....

                                 ;)

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2017, 05:20:45 PM »
But seriously....

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2017, 06:12:13 PM »


Also noted the 12kv......  this ain't no toy....  no indication of where the 12kv is coming from or where it's going..  replicate at your own risk.....

Hi,

The 12 kV was a typo the journalist or the reporter should have written 12 kW I think.

Gyula

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2017, 06:28:07 PM »
Try to search Youtube : Flywheel Free Energy Generator devices. That drawing has been proven and tested for many replicators, they replicate base on Chas Campbell design. Many has never seen the Watson machine.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2017, 08:46:45 PM »

right.....  I too recall reading somewhere that it was a typo...  what if it wasn't a typo though...  folk will be hard pressed trying to reproduce a 12kw claim, however, it may prove to be a worthy lesson, learning what it takes to produce 12kv in the "suggested" manner...

Well, Peter Lindemann described the Watson machine as close as he possibly could from witnesses and from 'logical deductions' in the "Bedini SG the Complete Advanced Handbook", see chapter 7.

Some hints: "The Watson machine was discharging 45000 uF (3 x 15000) capacitors charged to about 50 V, once a second into the batteries. ... John Bedini said that the relay timing was set for "once per second" switching, meaning that the machine would run the motor from the battery for one second while the capacitors were being charged. Then the relay would switch, and the machine would run from the flywheel while the capacitors discharged into the battery followed by the rest of the whole second of Energizer impulses going straight to the battery. At the end of the 2nd second, the relay would switch again, and the cycle would repeat. The method allowed 100% of the output of the Energizer to be transferred to the battery while the motor runs from the battery only 50% of the time. ... The motor running at high speed while the very large flywheel ran at a lower speed provided a very stable operation to the Energizer and maintained a relatively low power requirement to the motor. ... There were two 12 V batteries wired in parallel."

All in all, if we accept all these, then it is unlikely there was 12 kV involved and the 12 kW power number surely remains questionable,  even though the huge flywheel were capable of storing very high kinetic energy because its OD was estimated 61.4 cm, its weight was 46 kg cast iron and its RPM was estimated at 500 through a gear reduction anywhere between 6 to 1 and 10 to 1, driven from a 24 V series wound air craft starter motor. One wonders whether Jim Watson run the 24 V motor from the 12 V batteries that were said to be wired in parallel by Peter L, that is a possibility of course. (Jim Watson did not let Bedini to examine the machine closely...)   

So the performance of the Watson machine still remains a mystery...

Gyula

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2017, 09:08:27 PM »
Here is a link to a thread by someone that claims he was successful in building the Bedini/Watson machine.  He originally made an offer to me to let me come see it in operation.  Then he said he was moving.  After he got moved I tracked him down again but he said he was on the road all the time with a new job.  I never did get to see it in person.  I did not take time to go back through the whole thread but I believe there was a video or two of it operating.  And there were several pictures and drawings if I recall correctly.  Might be worth looking into his claims.

 

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