Ted:

I believe you are exactly correct. 

I was also thinking that the same thing might be accomplished using a small transistor, say a 2n3904, and a single coil near the rotor ala Bedini.  Sort of a solid state Stubblefield coil.  Of course, you would have to have the output to fire the transistor at or above its threshold but this should not be a problem.  I was getting 1.32 volts at 5 mA's on my second Stubblefield coil attempt.  More than enough to do the job I believe.

Bill

Wow.  Have I got this right?  You'd use the rotor to induce the current to drive the transistor?  That's so neat.  I also wondered about the implications of using the rotor to generate current flow.  Very neat indeed. 

Well done Pirate. 
Kindest regards,
Rosemary

Rose:

No.  You use the output from the NS coil to drive the transistor which fires the coil which then drives the rotor.  It would be the same as the one magnet-no bearing Bedini motor design of Jonnydavro.  I have a Youtube video of my earth battery powering one of these.  Just a single coil and a transistor.  No reed switches.

I hope this is more clear now.  Lidmotor just released a video of his Stubblefield coil running one of these.  He also added a pick-up coil to the rotor and can light leds from that as well.  I believe he still used the reed switches and no transistor though. Worth checking out.

Bill

Thanks Bill.  I think I get it.  Would LOVE to see that video if you've got the time to add the link.  Effectively the reed switch is simply replaced by a transistor?  Hopefully that's right.  I still rather suspect that a second simple coil in proximity to the rotor should generate a current.  But presumably that would come when we explore the work this rotor can do. 

Ta muchly Bill.  I'll try not to plague you all with my muddles.   

Kindest as ever,
Rosemary.

Rose:

Here is one of Lidmotor's videos running a one magnet no bearing Bedini motor from an NS coil: 

http://www.youtube.com/user/Lidmotor#p/u/35/bpzOatekWKA


Here is a great video he did on the Stubblefield coil:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Lidmotor#p/u/33/PGZWJwlJFzY




Here is my video of my EB running a Bedini motor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauOlhNK0iY


Bill

Thanks again, Bill, very much.  I have NEVER worked with motors.  I've sort of had a 'blind spot' and still do.  Can't get my head around all those flux lines.  And until I do - I'm floundering.  I sort of need to work it through step by step.  A plodder.  Sort of need to see each step before I can move on - so to speak.  At this stage - as it relates to Lasers coil -  I'm battling to see if the flux from the iron can share the flux from the copper.  And then find some kind of reason why the combination of iron and copper would be stronger and more effective than just using the one or the other.  And then the interminable conflict of trying to understand to what extent the magnet magnetises the iron - copper - core - and the rest.  It's no good trying to explain it.  I think I must just sit down and draw these interactions up - step by step.  I get into a kind of mental tail spin.  LOL

Lidmotor's replication of laser's number was so FRUSTRATING.  Didn't laser tell us that he precipitated the rust - actually aggravated it - by dipping his coil in salt water?  Then it dies.  Then after due process - the structure sort of sets into a really stable condition - recovers its voltage - and then just seems to pump more and more energy?  Perhaps someone could tell Lidmotor to hold onto the 'rusted' coil and see if it gets into a similar condition.  But for the galvanisation to rust within 24 hours definitely speaks to an electrolytic process - I think?  I see why you and Ted keep saying it's a battery.  But then again.  I have NO IDEA if Lidmotor wet his first coil.  Or if the rust is a combination of moisture in the air coupled with the galvanic effect. Can't work it out.  Really I think we need a chemist to do a full on analysis - unless you know of such?  In fact I've probably taxed your patience to death - but would be SO grateful for some answers.  I'll see what I can find out on Google.  Failing which, tomorrow is Monday and I may be able to find someone on campus.  The problem is that the Chemistry dept is on a separate campus and I'm not sure where.   Maybe I can find someone and just email them.  I'll see.

The other difficulty I have is that the earth battery itself - as you mentioned - can run for YEARS.  There's bound to be as much moisture available in the ground as above it.  Why then does your battery not suffer the same fate as Lidmotors and lasers - both of which rust.  Does your coil also rust?  Or what?  And even if it does rust - it still works.  And if it doesn't rust - then WHY?  And would you be able to see if it rusts if it's got that secondary copper winding over the copper/iron mix? 

Not easy being me Pirate.  I know way too little for my own peace of mind.  LOL.  The thing is that this effect is ENORMOUSLY important.  I simply never realised all these developments and it speaks to precisely the evidence that I looked to in my our circuit.  The difference is that when one sees a motor spinning one need NOT engage in an endless debate on measurements provided, obviously that it also is giving us OU.  At this stage not even that much is actually established.  And it won't be until these questions are answered.  But, I'm always an optimist.  I'm still hoping against hope that we've got more of an inductor than a battery. 

Sorry.  This ended up being rather longer than I intended.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

think about how long a rechargeable battery can last and think about what is actually taking place when we are charging it. there are many types of course, and the elements being used as the plates will determine their lifespan, as well as the care being taken during their charging processes.

this is something that i still do not fully understand, but i suppose you could say we are just sending "energy" from an external source into some capacitance where it is stored atomically. the actual electrolyte in a wet cell seems to me to just be some type of conductor with reactive resistance, or like a switching transistor almost. no current is moved across them unless there is a potential difference created at the terminals.

an SLA battery works with gases and lead/sulfur chemical reactions but theres still metal plates storing the charge. iv'e heard from people that the acid is actually storing the charge but this is not true because i have taken batteries and replaced their acid completely with tap water and it retained a good charge.

these batteries are like perfectly made miniature antennas for energy.
because they have capacitance they will absorb this energy until the capacitance will no longer carry it.why can we not say that atmospheric waves are traveling at a very high voltage but extremely low current that is not noticeable. this should mean this voltage could be inverted according to capacitance, so a small AA sitting on the table may take x amount of V and A and invert it down to 1.5V @ y current. the way it is wound im thinking it has a perfect balance of capacitance and antenna efficiency as to say it cant be charged externally to the extent of a conventional battery but it charges and drains in great unison with the atmospheric waves.

because the stubblefield coil uses an iron wire parallel to its copper windings, it is a super efficient magnetic flux receiver and sender. it should be giving flux all around and not just at the core ends. all the field thats entering and coming from the copper is magnetically going straight into the iron windings also as opposed to just the core. likewise any spike it gives out will have a great field "push" from little draw.

i think people are wondering whether this is a battery doing work or the atmosphere but i think its sort of obvious that its both.
when a battery dies i think its usually due to the electrolyte and not the plates, unless they have somehow shorted or disintegrated. but i have yet to see a battery with disintegrated plates, and know 12sla's can be kept in use for many years if properly cared for.

why is the stubblefield not using the same premise as a grounded tesla aerial? an earth battery is the same thing but its using pre-charged elements.

im thinking because of lasersabers work and realization that the moisture is not so much a big part of it, or as i understand it more of a hindering addition, the actual earth-grounding of the coil may be receiving its benefits from the negative potential its receiving rather than any extra moisture?

Ditto Pirate & Magneticitist. As Ted Ewert stated its a motor an electromagnetic motor. If hes reversing polarity with the switches it would have to be timed fairly well with only one switch. But you also should be able to turn the rotor with one opposite polarity using pulsed dc as its a free wheeling rotor. You must have enough current for the magnetic field and have it timed out on the field collapse. A good iron core would be better for that in comparison to ac or reverse polarity.

I think some basic things may still be overlooked or not understood.

The coil can be wired as a self generating  electromagnet or a Voltaic couple.
The coil was meant to be used in conjunction with batteries when using the voltaic couple..
The main use of the magnetic field collapse is for the secondary coil for higher amps.
A polarity reversal makes it Ac.
Current always exits a north pole. The end you hook the power source to is the south pole.
If you look straight done the core of the south end or power source end you will see the south magnetic pole or field on the left side of the core and coil. Once that field reaches the top center or apex of the core or coil it turns into the north magnetic field on the right side of the coil. If your end caps were loose so you could spin them towards the copper wire,that is the direction the current and magnetic field are flowing and its always north even if you switch polarity.
 Heres another thing. You dont have to have the wires on one end of the coil. They can be on both ends. If you run short on wire to go back to the other end, just put them on the closer end. Its not a must to be on one end its just handier for hookups.

Guys - sort of on topic but not quite.  Laser posted on the 14th Sept that is rig has been running for 83 days.  TOMORROW  is the 21st Sept (those of us at this side of the globe).  OFFICIALLY THEREFORE tomorrow will be 90 DAYS RUNNING.  In my book that's the start of our spring and to those of you to the North - to your autumn - AND it's a WHOLE summer/winter SEASON PAST WHERE THAT NUMBER'S BEEN TURNING. 

Really nice stuff.
Regards,
Rosemary

 

I agree.  Let's see a battery we can buy do this.

Tonight, I drink a toast to Lasersaber.  Very well done.

Bill

INDEED  LOL.  I'll do the same.  To quote a less than charismatic personality - Bertie Wooster - 'toodle pips' laser and may your rig have many more seasonal birthdays.