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giantkiller

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #105 on: December 28, 2009, 06:07:08 PM »
Leedskalnin did the same technique but across the castle grounds.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #106 on: December 28, 2009, 10:18:55 PM »
testatika  linden experiment and magnet device???


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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #108 on: December 29, 2009, 09:00:40 PM »
@all

So, I now have a very good way of biasing the ring to complete negative or positive potential. But what I have learned so far is the ring/cc pair offers a very fast repetitive action on the single pulse frequency of the toroid primaries/secondaries. So fast I cannot catch it on the scope because it is always changing. It will be interesting when I add the second ring.

One side note has been bugging me for a while now. I do not remember SM ever talking either directly or via a specific analogy, about his center toroid. So plain in sight are his toroids, but never a peep of discussion. So hidden and cloaked are his rings, and all his emphasis is on the rings. Blah Blah Blah. And, we never saw under the center toroid so there could be four more wires going out from the bottom as from the top.

Imagine if 90% of the TPU action was actually occuring in the toroid as shown by his amperage readings, and not one word about it in all his talks. Why do you think this is so. It is as if he is saying, "hey dumb ass, concentrate on the rings so there is no way in hell you will really discover this in a million years, that is if you do not solve the center toroid build, but I will never talk about that to anyone." So much so that he did not mind openly showing the outer rings in the FTPU and OTPU but again, not talk about the toroid. We have all this talk and talk but nothing on the toroid, even though it jumps out at you in most of his builds. lol

Now consider that little amount of coil turns in his toroid, even in bucking mode, over such a big toroid core mass is just simply insane. If you needed the toroid just for power smoothing, you could have done it much better with one that is 1/4 the size at the highest watts ratings. So I am sure the toroid is more then it is.

I have tested with a 1 layer secondary and one layer primary x 2. But now I realize the secondary just does not have enough winds to catch all the juice being thrown around and re-wizzed around by the ring/cc pair. So I now know you need more layers, but not in series, in parallel to increase the amperage. Or some series, then parallel.

So consider also when you look very close-up to his toroid primary winding, some of the turns are actually being embedded into the core at some places you can see only half of the wire on the surface of the core. That would be impossible with a ferrite or aluminum core. So now I know the core under the primary is an epoxy filler material. But what is inside the core. Then consider that the more secondary layers you have, the more amperage or voltage you can draw from the secondaries.

So consider this then. I take a small 2 1/2" diameter toroid core of let's say 1/4" squared. Over this I wind 6 layers of 600 strand litz wire, making two nice secondaries. With the litz wire in place, it will be impossible to now wind the primary over it because the litz is to soft and will not be able to support the stress of the thicker primary winds. So what do I do??????????? Hmmmmmmmmmm. Let me think and think and think again. I got it. I take this core and secondaries, parallel each end of the secondaries to get four wires out, two comming out the top and two from the bottom. I then take the toroid and put it into a slightly bigger toroidal mold that has a good expoxy material in it and pour the rest on top and this makes the toroid now look just like a simple core. Then I wind my primaries and with the four wires, I exit two from the top and two from the bottom.

Bingo, I now have a damn good toroid that looks just like SMs. Plus, with so many insulated wires in the litz winds all in parallel, this gives me maximum sensitivity of the coil to pickup very low voltages to start with and very high voltages to end with. Plus all I need is a 1 amp rating as the maximum.

Just some stuff I think about while doing more tests.


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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #109 on: December 29, 2009, 11:31:22 PM »
Hi Wattsup,

Did you ever read this: http://www.rexresearch.com/szili/szili.htm   


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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #110 on: December 30, 2009, 12:21:12 AM »
Hi Wattsup,

Did you ever read this: http://www.rexresearch.com/szili/szili.htm   


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The problem is that so far nobody managed to replicate the effect he experienced once and only once in his lab about a decade ago and since then he's  been using circuit simulator to "get" overunity...  unfortunately.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #111 on: December 30, 2009, 01:03:08 AM »
@all

So, I now have a very good way of biasing the ring to complete negative or positive potential. But what I have learned so far is the ring/cc pair offers a very fast repetitive action on the single pulse frequency of the toroid primaries/secondaries. So fast I cannot catch it on the scope because it is always changing. It will be interesting when I add the second ring.

One side note has been bugging me for a while now. I do not remember SM ever talking either directly or via a specific analogy, about his center toroid. So plain in sight are his toroids, but never a peep of discussion. So hidden and cloaked are his rings, and all his emphasis is on the rings. Blah Blah Blah. And, we never saw under the center toroid so there could be four more wires going out from the bottom as from the top.

Imagine if 90% of the TPU action was actually occuring in the toroid as shown by his amperage readings, and not one word about it in all his talks. Why do you think this is so. It is as if he is saying, "hey dumb ass, concentrate on the rings so there is no way in hell you will really discover this in a million years, that is if you do not solve the center toroid build, but I will never talk about that to anyone." So much so that he did not mind openly showing the outer rings in the FTPU and OTPU but again, not talk about the toroid. We have all this talk and talk but nothing on the toroid, even though it jumps out at you in most of his builds. lol

Now consider that little amount of coil turns in his toroid, even in bucking mode, over such a big toroid core mass is just simply insane. If you needed the toroid just for power smoothing, you could have done it much better with one that is 1/4 the size at the highest watts ratings. So I am sure the toroid is more then it is.

I have tested with a 1 layer secondary and one layer primary x 2. But now I realize the secondary just does not have enough winds to catch all the juice being thrown around and re-wizzed around by the ring/cc pair. So I now know you need more layers, but not in series, in parallel to increase the amperage. Or some series, then parallel.

So consider also when you look very close-up to his toroid primary winding, some of the turns are actually being embedded into the core at some places you can see only half of the wire on the surface of the core. That would be impossible with a ferrite or aluminum core. So now I know the core under the primary is an epoxy filler material. But what is inside the core. Then consider that the more secondary layers you have, the more amperage or voltage you can draw from the secondaries.

So consider this then. I take a small 2 1/2" diameter toroid core of let's say 1/4" squared. Over this I wind 6 layers of 600 strand litz wire, making two nice secondaries. With the litz wire in place, it will be impossible to now wind the primary over it because the litz is to soft and will not be able to support the stress of the thicker primary winds. So what do I do??????????? Hmmmmmmmmmm. Let me think and think and think again. I got it. I take this core and secondaries, parallel each end of the secondaries to get four wires out, two comming out the top and two from the bottom. I then take the toroid and put it into a slightly bigger toroidal mold that has a good expoxy material in it and pour the rest on top and this makes the toroid now look just like a simple core. Then I wind my primaries and with the four wires, I exit two from the top and two from the bottom.

Bingo, I now have a damn good toroid that looks just like SMs. Plus, with so many insulated wires in the litz winds all in parallel, this gives me maximum sensitivity of the coil to pickup very low voltages to start with and very high voltages to end with. Plus all I need is a 1 amp rating as the maximum.

Just some stuff I think about while doing more tests.

Interesting take on the  puzzle here.

I wonder, In your opinion, could the visible  winds on the the centre torroid be multiple, individual segments of fine wire?
They do look embedded but also seem to be flat like litz with no binding..

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #112 on: December 30, 2009, 04:04:56 AM »
i have noticed a small hole in the toroid where he place the magnet, or i see it wrong, anyway if there is a hole on the toroid, i know whats going on here:)


http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20060163971.pdf

I found a Patent of extracting energy from permament magnets...
A solid-state electrical generator including at least one permanent magnet, magnetically coupled to a ferromagnetic core provided with at least one hole penetrating its volume. the hole(s) and magnet(s) being placed such that the hole(s) penetrating the ferromagnetic core's volume intercept flux from the permanent magnet(s) coupled into the ferromagnetic core. A first wire coil is wound around the ferromagnetic core for the purpose of moving the coupled permanent magnet flux within the ferromagnetic core. A second wire is routed through the hole(s) penetrating the volume of the ferromagnetic core, for the purpose of intercepting this moving magnetic flux, thereby inducing an output electromotive force. A changing voltage applied to the first wire coil causes coupled permanent magnet flux to move within the core relative to the hole(s) penetrating the core volume, thus inducing electromotive force along wire(s) passing through the hole(s) in the ferromagnetic core.

I think Steven Combines this with capturing the torsion field,

Steven marks first device in my eyes:

1. Toroid with one or more holes made as a Tuned Tank Circuit,  to act like a self running micro tpu
see http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-1815461677597553845&ei=S6c6S_aPDs6z-AbGhuAc&q=tpu&hl=en&view=3#

2. three resonant coils- 1. is in the middle of the device where part of the electricity comes out which is combined with a capacitor resistor when its on a load as seen on a youtube video , 2 lower and upper to the first coil in the middle which captures the torsion field connected with the toroid in a complex interconnection with capacitor,

in my opinion this acts like a magnifying glass,
and there is no need for input power




I have to try this idea, because we never know...
i wasnt there when Sm made the device.. soo

Im not an electrical engineer as im still 17, 
but I will allways share my idea with others maybe its working maybe not ..

This is what im gonna try on the pic, there are many things missing on it, but i just wanted to share..:)
Love and light to all

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #113 on: December 30, 2009, 04:53:04 AM »
No magnetic metal anywhere in the tpu.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #114 on: December 30, 2009, 08:04:28 AM »
Hello all,

@GK

why not?

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #115 on: December 30, 2009, 08:09:34 AM »
@GK

Ok then tell me did he use Velcro to stick the magnets on?

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #116 on: December 30, 2009, 10:45:02 AM »
I think our guesses looks still like an ancients speculations about power of TV set .  :(
We can't understand TPU without understanding method of power production used.
The obvious thing for me is the usage of curious oscillator - instead of producing EM waves it produce pure magnetic ripple on already available field - Earth magnetic field.
IMHO This is the essence of all OU devices using so called "radiant energy"
How to made such oscillator is another thing.Surely no undulations or alternations can exists in such oscillator , because those are producing electric field in space around antenna.
The rest is mystery for me...

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #117 on: December 30, 2009, 03:43:31 PM »
No magnetic metal anywhere in the tpu.

The toroid itself made of a high magnetic permability material,
i think there is much more iron in it then we think...
I know its working with induction, but look at tesla's invention there from 1888,that is kind of similar to this, nobody tried to use iron at all here??
since you dont see inside the machine, you dont know whats in it..
we have to test it, and with each test we are geting closer to the thing...

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #118 on: December 30, 2009, 06:29:03 PM »
I know that was a change from my previous beginnings. So I will explain.

The GK4 was iron core bundles.

Seems as though in following Tesla's timeline he did start out with iron. He eventually ended with air core and more anomolous effects. I have gone down the same road and not by my own accord but by the proddings of others here. Spherics, Grumpy, Marco, Erfinder, Armagedn03, Bolt, Dollard, Smith all stated things that made me realize to increase the magnetic field in air, which performs very nicely for these previously mentioned men of great renown. No?
Then do this test: Take two rat shack spools, side by side, air core. Frequency pulse one, scope the other. you can see the other spool echo nicely. Stick some iron in it. Signal goes away. Where did it go? Trapped in the iron as magnetic current just like Leedskalinin said. How do we get it 'All' back out. If you wrap towels around a bell and ring it you get the same effect. How do you get the dampened sound out with removing the towels? You don't, due to losses.

Bolt uses Balun:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4299.msg199482#msg199482

Spherics uses angular themis:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4297.msg83207#msg83207

Giantkiller & InnovationStation use heterodyning:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3354.msg51015#msg51015

These all rely on spin yet gotten in different ways.

The ECD had no iron in it.

Now what is interesting is the picture that sumermagor posted. If you look at it correctly you see 2 Telsa coils sharing the same secondary. An inverse of the Smith / Dollard tube coil. Their coil configuration is one primary sharing 2 secondaries in that the secondaries are inducted in opposite directions.

See?

--giantkiller. This site is full of OU insights.

p.s. If you need something deeper then : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX_is9LzFSY&feature=pyv&ad=3733077171&kw=you%20tube%20calculus&gclid=CJXGzIzj_p4CFQIhDQoduzKVMA
« Last Edit: December 30, 2009, 07:30:50 PM by giantkiller »

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #119 on: December 31, 2009, 02:46:40 AM »
im going to post some ideas im going to experiment with, i dont stick around with one, i try hundreds, never know whats gonna happen Next. try it out,

I have toooonnnns of ideas in my head, and im very happy to share them

love and light to all.
Sumermagor