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Author Topic: Understanding electricity in the TPU.  (Read 286655 times)

Offline forest

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #75 on: December 06, 2009, 10:09:10 PM »
Ahh I thought that Bruce_TPU revealed all TPU details ? What about his thread ? Do we still don't know how TPU is constructed ?

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #76 on: December 06, 2009, 10:25:44 PM »
Ahh I thought that Bruce_TPU revealed all TPU details ? What about his thread ? Do we still don't know how TPU is constructed ?

Bruce is still working at his own pace so don't wait on him for any secrets. 

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #77 on: December 06, 2009, 10:35:14 PM »
@forest

I don't know either about @Bruce_TPUs build information since he did not come back yet with an update. The main thing I feel about the three level build is there will be major cancellation problems since all those coils are inter-wound.

As for the SM TPUs, we know many many things about many many parts of the TPUs, and it is simply a question of putting all the pieces together in a workable theory, testing it out, learning from those and then going to the next one. I don't know if there is any other or better way then what we have been doing since how long, i am losing count. But I think I am getting at least close enough to start concentrating on one or two main methods. But I think if my next build gives the results I am expecting, it is really a question of conversion device.

I do know that the coupling effect between the outer control coil and the outer ring is very good for a simply two turn ring with loose control coils.

So basically like this.

The center toroid has one or two hidden secondaries vertical wound and connected in parallel for the two black small wires coming out. The two visible coils is one or two primaries also connected either in bucking mode or parallel with the two white wires coming out. This will be easy to test soon enough.

Using the Tesla Ozone Patent shorting method via a coil of high inductance hidden between both layers, he is hitting the toroid primary and producing a high voltage coming from the toroid secondaries, with one wire going to the top outer control coil and the other wire going to the bottom outer control coil but in reverse pulsing these with around 300 volts. The coupling between the outer control coil and the outer ring is enough to lower the voltage but increase the amperage.

This simple set-up could easily be built into the other TPUs.

Yep, I think I am getting very close and will know soon enough. lol

More soon...........

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #78 on: December 07, 2009, 12:19:53 AM »
Stun gun circuit.

The Sauron coil has been modified. It is a Tesla coil. See the mismatched winding on the bottom level?

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #79 on: December 12, 2009, 01:58:14 AM »
@All

Let's talk about the vacuum tube analogy because I think I figured it out based on my last tests on the outer ring.

A vacuum tube does what and why? You feed 5 volts and get 300 volts output. Imagine the step up transformer you would require to do this. Feed 5, get 300. Feed 5 and the negative cathode gets red hot sending its thermionic electrons off the cathode. The positive potential of the anode plate then attracts these electrons without any resistance, counter field or counter induction and permits 300 volts to exit the tube. WOW. That is great to know.

So what is the parallel to the FTPU. I am talking only about the FTPU but guys that know the other units will make the link. Where can you replicate the tube action without making a vacuum tube device.

Well, according to my testing of several outer ring (OR) and outer control coil (OCC) combinations, I have found something curious.

My testing is generally always the same pattern. I use a pulse generator to pulse the frequency, voltage and duty into the pulsed object, transfer the energy to another object then connect it to my 88mF 1200vdc capacitor (big bugger) via a germanium diode (I formerly used a regular diode but no longer - germanium has a much lower forward bias voltage of only 0.2 volts.) So this set-up is used in all tests for reproducible results, and, I have reproduced them from my notes several times to make sure.

When I use a copper OR or an iron OR with an insulated copper OCC wrapped over it I am always getting not more then 2:1 transfer - at best. Meaning if I am pulsing into the OCC  at 3vdc 10% duty at 2.34mHz (best frequency for this test), I will load my cap tank up to 1.5 vdc. Now when I then pulse the OR and take output from the OCC, hence doing it in reverse, I am getting the same results. Even if I increase the pulse voltage or duty, I am not getting more output. WHY?????????????

I think what is happening is when I am pulsing the OCC, the OR being either copper or iron will build up its own magnetic field and eventually repel any further influence coming from the OCC. There is just so much energy the OR will take before it repels any more energy transfer. That would not be like the vacuum tube anode that does not repel the cathodic energy.

So, I am thinking what can catch and conduct electricity and not produce a magnetic field or at least a minimal magnetic field and it hit me. Aluminum. So I took an aluminum OR of 2 1/4 turns and wrapped a 24awg magwire OCC over it without really caring about the number of turns because for me this is not important at this stage.  The ring turns were kept loose so they do not touch anywhere to another ring turn.

Anyways, I started pulsing in the same way as above and to my surprise, voltage rise with input at 2.34mHz-3vdc-10%duty went to 4.34vdc. I never saw this before. When I temporarily short my cap tank, the voltage rises back up right away so there is no putzing around with 0.01 vdc increases as i have mostly seen with this. And the other way around is the same. This confirms to me that either the TPU OR or OCC cannot be copper or iron. I have not tested with both OR and OCC s non-copper but will try it also. It has to be a metal that conducts electricity but does not build up a magnetic field. This makes perfect sense so the receiver does not hinder the transmitter, so the ring become an energy absorbing device that does not build up a source repelling field and this falls in pretty close to what the vacuum tube is doing.

Now just forget about the voltages. This is only to show how well transfer can occur and making it as transparent as possible. For me this is now clear. The ring can be aluminum, stainless steel may be good also either as the pulsing agent or the receiving agent, does not matter at this point. But copper to copper will not work in the TPU because both have the inherent side issue of their magnetic fields that will repel any maximum transfer potential.

Next is the toroid or cannon to cannon analogy. I need a few more days for this one. lol

So guys, just take any amount of Aluminum wire and wrap 2 1/4 (or more it's up to you) turns, then wrap an outer control coil of any mag wire. Make sure the AL turns do not touch each other and then have some fun. I am adding a picture of my setup showing the way I used the ring also as a stand, a solenoid coil and a capacitor in the middle. Can't wait to hit this with my next center toroid.

Last thing about this is when I tested this, at one point I had my TV on that is about 6 feet away and as the images changed on the tv screen, the oscilloscope waveform changes also. never saw that before. My tests were not influenced by this because my TV was off, but this same coil ring setup is very sensitive to emanations coming from the TV screen and is giving up to 1 volt on the cap tank. Actually that is pretty scary. Slow cooking TV style.

I am also posting a diagram showing the TPU similarities. It does not include the OTPU because I still have misgivings about that demo and still think it was not entirely faked but half faked. I am still concerned that SM showed the voltage but faked the amperage. I think at the time he made that unit he was desperate to show something to his investors and had to make it look real good and convincing. But I do not believe that device worked as he says it does.
« Last Edit: December 12, 2009, 02:28:35 AM by wattsup »

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #79 on: December 12, 2009, 01:58:14 AM »
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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #80 on: December 12, 2009, 05:47:49 PM »
good work wattsup,  aluminum wire hum?  I'll have to try that.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #81 on: December 14, 2009, 05:19:40 AM »
@wattsup!
OMG I am the biggest fool!
Bruce-tpu sent me 2 - 15" 3 layer coils this summer.
And guess what? The bigger loops are copper lamp cord and the loosely wound control coils are STEEL! I didn't think I hand anything. Yes, Square pulses and aluminum are a HF mix! I you hit the aluminum with VHF and above the Alum is going to react.

good work wattsup,  aluminum wire hum?  I'll have to try that.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #82 on: December 14, 2009, 07:13:13 AM »
This may not be of concern here, but there were some pro audio speakers, EV, that used aluminum voice coils, but considering the freq Watts is using, maybe its nothing. Also in high tension lines they use aluminum. From what I know, they use it instead of copper for 2 reasons. 1 its cheaper, 2 its lower conductivity does not stand in the way of the high voltage used there. Or is there another reason aluminum is used in these situations. ?
Very cool Watts.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #83 on: December 19, 2009, 10:12:11 AM »
@GK

Hope them coils work out.

Here is my new toroid, well my soon to be old toroid because this one is just to learn a few more things about the ftpu. lol

This one is as follows;
Photo #1
3" core T-300-26
Secondary 112 turns each of 24 awg
Secondary wind mode - bucking
0,8 ohms
Photo #2 with transformer wrap.
Photo #3
Primary 32 turns each of 20 awg
Primary wind mode same as secondary
0,3 ohms

But I am already planning my next toroid. It will be aluminum core with one slit cut into it. Each end goes to two of the toroid wires. Then cover with 32 turns x 2 of 20 awg.  If the center toroid did in fact have only those two visible coils, then the core would have to be an aluminum ring with a slit from which you can take aluminum wire that then goes too the outer aluminum rings. Only time will tell. But these are so fun to test out and learn from. That would give non-magnetic toroid core and non-magnetic outer ring. I have to find some aluminum cores. Then paint them white. lol

I need some help with the EE end.
If you have the above coils with their ohms value, can you calculate the capacitor values I would need to pulse this with a transistor or mosfet at 5000 hertz. Eventually I need to not use my pulse generator and make this a stand alone trials.
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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #84 on: December 19, 2009, 01:49:30 PM »
Just thinking about the spin up of the compass and coils of high selfinductance and longitudinal waves.  If we induce a voltage into one end of the coil wrapped around the core does a longitudinal wave travel through the copper mass in a given direction.  In other words the coil of highselfinductance is like a pipefilled with electrons. On one end of the pipe we inflict a hammer blow.  The hammer blow creates a shockwave that alternately compresses and rarifies the liquid.  In this case it compresses and rarifies the electron cloud of the coil of high self inductance.  A sound wave travels in a given direction from the input pressure zone around the ring.  The electrons when all compressed up would display a higher net negative charge as compared to the rarified part.  As the wave passes the start point in the ring we wack it again.  Round and round this compression and relaxation of the copper electron cloud goes. The coil of highselfinductance is just an electron cloud scource to pass the longitudinal waves through.  Not from one end of the wire to the other but sideways from turn to turn.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #85 on: December 19, 2009, 03:49:33 PM »
Also in high tension lines they use aluminum. From what I know, they use it instead of copper for 2 reasons. 1 its cheaper, 2 its lower conductivity does not stand in the way of the high voltage used there. Or is there another reason aluminum is used in these situations. ?
Very cool Watts.

Magluvin

i torn down a pole transformer once to find no iron or steel...
just to see a alum core rolled like a ac cap.. with high tension on top of alum the low tension on top of that... and then alot of oil...
so i just figured they work on induction..
so you guys might be on to something with the alum..

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #86 on: December 21, 2009, 06:02:23 AM »
Well here we go. My latest toroid yellow ferrite core.

Very interesting first test of many many to come. I will have alot of fun with this one but will build another one with a AL core.

What the core has to do is get energized by the primary then die as fast a possible. With the maximum extreme in the core from dead to full sat, the secondary will produce maximum output. You do not need a core that can accumulate saturation. Hence the gain in the TPU cannot occur in the Toroid because as the toroid would increase in gain, the spread between the maximum and minimum saturation point in the core will decrease, and that lowers the efficiency. The ferrite is doing this. It is holding in some of the past pulses. So it does not drop to zero saturation before the next pulse occurs. The Aluminum core should make a big difference since it will always want to go back to zero very fast, faster then ferrite. It just remains to be tested.

The toroid is the wick and the rings are the cannons.

So here is an image of my first test and result.

Pulse generator set at 2500hz, duty 10% at 3 vdc.
Output on the holding cap via a germanium diode is 7.21 vdc.

Already, I have not seen this before. When I short the cap, it goes immediately to 7.21 vdc. No .01 increments.

The scope is at Time/Div 20uS and Volts/Div is 0.5 v

This for me is a good way to start pumping up a TPU. lol

But this is only the toroid connected two primaries parallel and two secondaries parallel. Pulse enters from the left red and black to the primaries. Out is right with diode on negative. Just like this is was getting 4.6 vdc, but then I added another diode between the pulse polarities and it jumped to 7.21 vdc. You can barely see it.

This also works the same in the 5000hz range.

Man am I going to have some fun with this toroid in connecting it in many other ways. This is just the beginning. Then to add the rings and integrate some wiring logic based on the observed FTPU. The target with this one is 60 vdc.

Oh, bringing up the pulse voltage did not increase the output but lowered it.

Do you know what you can do with 7 vdc. I need a coil of high induction, two aluminum rings with 42 turns each stranded copper.

More soon.......

Added. My setup below is very similar to the Cook coils just a different wiring. Eventually, I will try mine with this wiring and see what happens.

@otto

Try putting a diode across your pulse source.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #87 on: December 21, 2009, 06:54:56 AM »
Hello all,

@wattsup

I dont need a diode, not caps, not resistors.....nothing.

It seems that you have fun with your coils but ..... Aluminium??? Very bad option as a core!

Otto

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #88 on: December 22, 2009, 07:18:04 AM »
Hello all,

@wattsup

I dont need a diode, not caps, not resistors.....nothing.

It seems that you have fun with your coils but ..... Aluminium??? Very bad option as a core!

Otto

@otto

That is great to not need anything, I guess except coils.

I will let you know about the aluminum, once it is done and tested.

Keep well.

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« Reply #89 on: December 24, 2009, 05:25:10 AM »
Well here we go again.

I am now starting the FTPU build tests slowly but surely.

The image below shows something out of the ordinary.

If I put that led directly onto the pulse generator at its setting of 10% Duty, 1.5vdc @90khz, the led will not light up at all. Nothing.

When I put the led on the output of Test 2 trial, it lights up plus the voltage also shows a 1.9 vdc maintained in the cap. This I have never seen before.

Also, trying to find a way to make the scope stay put so I can take a photo but it is very difficult. The frequency changes like a never ending wave shift slowly one way. As I catch it, it changes again.

The center toroid primary gets the positive pulse on one side to both primaries, the two negatives then go to each side of the outer ring and the negative pulse from the generator is at the center of the ring (or near - lol). The toroid secondaries are paralleled, one side going to the cap tank via a germanium diode, the other side going to the outer ring then to the other side of the cap tank.

This is crazy because the speed of pulsing is sooooo high now, much higher then the 90k pulse frequency and it shifts so I cannot catch it as a stable scope shot. Weird.

My next Trial will be with two rings and control coils. Then I will have to integrate a coil of high induction. Then the fun should really start.

wattsup

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