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### Author Topic: Understanding electricity in the TPU.  (Read 345352 times)

#### Qwert

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##### Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2009, 02:20:51 AM »
@wattsup
I'm also like you, not trained in this field.  But unlike you, I don't practice this. I have only some basic knowledge. I am interested in this forum as a potential user of the TPU. I decided to compare older articles from this forum to the new ones. I found some articles of the past which look important (at least to me) but  nobody respond to them. Here are two of them; I think they can bring some help to your issues:

1.  Quote of Steven Marks' words:

"If the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency.
That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing.
It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another."

My find for the above:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7926.msg201683#msg201683
"I got confirmation from a friend on my ideas that two saturable inductors can be used in parallel with a few nanoseconds of delay ( few feet of wire ) to create a tail-biter circuit. First one snaps the dc power off and the second is ready with collapse to turn the dc back on..

The trick is to wire the delay in the trigger of number 2 and space the repetition rate of the event so there is enough time for this process to occur.

i.e.. number 2 fires first but number 1 is still conducting.... then 1 fires and no one is conducting... then a few nanoseconds later number 2 goes into collapse and conducts ... so the result is a sharp snap off snap on of your hv dc bias

may be why two are present on the more powerful unit"

2.  http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4297.msg86495#msg86495

Quote:

"A long time ago in this forum, I posted a link to a web site showing a graph of the inrush current before the magnetic field is established. I am lazy to search for it again, sorry. It shows that the inrush current at the beginning has a parabolic form, not linear.
Before that post, I described one of my test with BEMF and a simple transformer with two identical coils. The BEMF wasn?t my point. The point was that when an impulse is sent to a transformer after any residual field is gone it behaves in completely different way. In that test I described how the input and output was measured, all at DC level. What it showed that the output current was exceeding the input (two identical coils!!!) by about 30% (if I remember correctly) and all, again, was measured after using rectifies and smoothing capacitors. However, it wasn?t overunity. The point was, don?t send the next impulse while there is any residual magnetic flux left (that is where an iron core might be a problem, but I am not sure). What spherics is describing is a little different. He is saying that one should send the second impulse right after the first one and at the same time as close as possible to get into the space of the expending field created by the first impulse. That is where my example with the bicycles is coming from. So, here are two conditions. One is that the pulse has to be short enough to avoid any residual flux left for the second pair of pulses, and each second pulse in each pair of pulses should be very close. What spherics is describing is that there is a strange effect discovered with the above conditions".

Anyway, I guess I found the link to the article the author mentions at the beginning:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=712.msg4727#msg4727

And another interesting article of this author:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=712.msg4638#msg4638

#### Qwert

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##### Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2009, 09:03:12 AM »
There is another possible link for a suggestion mentioned by Kames:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=712.msg4767#msg4767

However, the link he is mentioning is incorrect. The proper one is this:

I've just checked it.

#### Mannix

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##### Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2009, 12:49:18 PM »
@EM

Can you clarify these connections please

#### sparks

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##### Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2009, 01:37:43 PM »
@wattsup

The capacitor problem you mention is overcome when a tuned resonant circuit is used as an electrical energy storage scheme.  The system itself is the storage device not just the capacitor or the inductor.  The inductor can pump a capacitor totally dry.  Or transfer all of the charge on a single capacitor plate  to the other.  By use of a device like a spark gap or diode the input from scource to tuned system can be automatically introduced to the resonant circuit when the voltage of the power supply exceeds the voltage of the capacitor.  The power scource can be capacitively coupled to the resonant system so that very little current passes through the spark gap the spark gap itself acting as a capacitor in series with the tuned resonant circuit and a current limit device.  This is just capacitve coupling of electrical systems.  The current inside the tuned circuit increases in intensity with each input pulse until saturation of the capacitor or inductor is reached.

#### innovation_station

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##### Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2009, 08:04:10 PM »
sparks...  bro ...

if a spark gap is used .. AND I DONT CARE THE CURCUIT ...

something ELSE IS HAPPINING ..

W

wires off into space ... and a potencial diffrence in the CAP!

it goes into a locked loop orbit ...  with space .. a constant exchange of engery! from 1 charge ...

this is how i found orbit! it will not show on a dc multi meter ... METER MUST BE ON AC .. AND IT OSCOLATES..  ALL BY ITS SELF!

ok  now i can kick it in the a\$\$ and tune it ....    to match the output winding resonnance ...

i then cold remove the control  tuneing coil ..  wich is only required to tune it ..

peace!

try it ..  put a neo on a string and watch it move for ever in the spin vortex ..    plus  it will sync with the cosmic  orbits...

when the cap finally oscolates to 0  it is replenished ... from nature

#### sparks

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##### Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2009, 09:18:13 PM »
If the electrolyte in the spark gap is considered we first find that it is ionized.  The frequency of the system oscillations will determine the type of photon energy that is distributed and absorbed by the electrolyte.  The frequency of the oscillation will determine how easily ionization of the electrolyte occurs not the intensity or amplitude of the oscillation.  The electron orbital momentum is converted to electron acceleration along a path determined by the magnetic field the gravitational field and the electric field.  The free electrons can be caused to accelerate into a target miss the target return to the ionized core atoms move through an external circuit whatever.  The energy emitted from the spark gap in the form of emwaves is but 10percent of the current gains from conversion of electron angular momentum in a chaotic electrolyte molecular matrix to electron acceleration along well controlled or defined paths.

#### innovation_station

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##### Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2009, 09:46:24 PM »
ready to put the pencil to paper ...

it is all about to happin

ist!

btw that is a tounge twister...  i had a hard time reading it lol

all i know is i need nothing more than a cap and a coil .. bet i can start it by swiping a magnet past it ... in the proper polatity..

#### giantkiller

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##### Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #37 on: November 27, 2009, 06:54:47 PM »
Well, this rings clear!
If the electrolyte in the spark gap is considered we first find that it is ionized.  The frequency of the system oscillations will determine the type of photon energy that is distributed and absorbed by the electrolyte.  The frequency of the oscillation will determine how easily ionization of the electrolyte occurs not the intensity or amplitude of the oscillation.  The electron orbital momentum is converted to electron acceleration along a path determined by the magnetic field the gravitational field and the electric field.  The free electrons can be caused to accelerate into a target miss the target return to the ionized core atoms move through an external circuit whatever.  The energy emitted from the spark gap in the form of emwaves is but 10percent of the current gains from conversion of electron angular momentum in a chaotic electrolyte molecular matrix to electron acceleration along well controlled or defined paths.

#### Gobaga

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##### Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #38 on: November 27, 2009, 08:37:35 PM »

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I found the secret when I read in some books about electron tubes. I was a TV repair man as well. Back in the days of electron tubes. The good old days I think.

In one of the RCA engineering manuals I read that it has been measured in a wire that there exists a slight increase in current when first electrons are caused to flow in it. This was explained because the earth's magnetic field exerted some influence on the wire and the electron flow inside it, or rather the electrons on the surface of the wire.

Even today you can find examples of discussion of this fact even in non scientific journals.

If you look in Morgan Jones book, Valve Amplifiers, 3rd edition, on page 262 he says, The inrush of current through the filament interacts with the earth's magnetic field to produce a small kick.

SMALL KICK. Those words mean a great deal. It PROVES that there is an interaction between the magnetic field of the earth and simple electrons running through wires. It may be a small influence but it is actual OVER UNITY. I have spent several years of my life thinking about that.

Scientists tell us that over unity is impossible. They say that you cannot get more out of something then you put into it.

Then I think about that wire with the small kick when first turned on. . .

Therein lies the secret my friend.

What does this say about "electricity in the TPU"?

#### giantkiller

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« Reply #39 on: November 27, 2009, 09:43:47 PM »
Posted again for the umpteenth time. If ya seen it ya know.

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If you look in Morgan Jones book, Valve Amplifiers, 3rd edition, on page 262 he says, The inrush of current through the filament interacts with the earth's magnetic field to produce a small kick.

SMALL KICK. Those words mean a great deal. It PROVES that there is an interaction between the magnetic field of the earth and simple electrons running through wires. It may be a small influence but it is actual OVER UNITY. I have spent several years of my life thinking about that

--gk.

#### innovation_station

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« Reply #40 on: November 27, 2009, 09:50:05 PM »

What does this say about "electricity in the TPU"?

i love that statement ...

he sure was a briliant man!

ist!

#### Gobaga

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##### Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #41 on: November 27, 2009, 11:57:25 PM »
Posted again for the umpteenth time. If ya seen it ya know.

--gk.

Really?  So, what is he talking about the initial current interacting with the earth's magnetic field?  Interacts how?  If things are this straight forward, why can't you just pulse a coil and get more out than in?

Must be a little more to it than that.

#### wattsup

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« Reply #42 on: November 28, 2009, 12:41:25 AM »
@Qwert

Thanks for your post. It did not go unnoticed. There are many aspects of those links that have some pertinence in one way or the other but the problem always remains to place them in the practical components and means that are observable in the TPUs.

This is the main problem with many theories of the TPU. Guys will give great reasoning between one or more effects. But when it comes time to please please point to the actual observed TPUs and indicate where in the TPUs they are referring too, then we sort of go on the way side.

The theory has to fit the objects in question.

I think @tsl gave a good run down on another thread but again, no nuts and bolts substance.

@sparks

In terms of what you said about the resonance, maybe yes, maybe no. In my experience, at resonance, things seem to go very quickly back and forth, but as soon as you try and tap either into the circuit or in a side stream coupling, there is no torque potential and the resonance dies off quickly. You would need a device of let's say 500 volts in resonance while you are only pulling off 20-30 volts so as not to disturb the bulk of the resonance mass or circuit. Sort like making a loaf of bread and just living off the crumbs.

By the way, when the hell is @Grumpy going to come back. I think this banning thing has gone long enough. @stefan, if you read this, please do your magic.

#### sparks

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« Reply #43 on: November 28, 2009, 01:58:38 AM »
Resonance is just a storage deal.  What it does is allow the accumulation of a small potential energy scource into a large one.  Kid on a swing.  The little taps add up.  This is just an oscillating inertial field converting from at rest energy in the capacitor and inertial momementum in the inductance of the system.   The resonance can allow for current and voltage potentials far in excess of the supply circuit but is not overunity by any stretch of the imagination.  It takes time for this condition to be reached.  What is the benefit>  Your power scource can be of very low intensity but manifesting at a high frequency.  A microamp on the input at a high frequency of input can become an amp at 60cycles.  Sometimes the taps add up and the sytem can now be done with oscillation and go into rotational resonance.
Slowing down in one 1/2 of the rotation and acclerating in the other 1/2.  Of course the taps would need to be applied at the epogee of the rotation.

#### giantkiller

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« Reply #44 on: November 28, 2009, 05:50:58 PM »
@Gobaga,
A different way to say what Wattsup & Sparks stated:
Same thing if you beat a bell with a rubber hose you get nothing no matter how many times you do it. But if you use a harder object (shorter pulse) and time it just right (frequency/resonance) you could topple a bridge with a ball peen hammer, a pinball flipper coil or a pinball free game knocker.
Now I have to find the wire length for next coil that matches 38.5khz at 1/4 wave length. Resonance keeps the field extended while we push on it in another way. You cut the flux connection completely off, modulate the field perimeter, or modulate the field interior like Tesla modulating the ionosphere dielectric with the Wardenclyffe tower. But you have to communicate with the medium in a way that excites it and matches what your process needs to match the output desired. Then we can 'Pump It Up'. The bigger the field the more we have to play with. Resonance helps us get there with lower power consumption. Look at the TPU this way and you see the hidden secret.
Grumpy stated that if you force resonance with an LC tank with torque the E & B field out are of phase with each other. This adds extra return. Natural resonance returns them in phase so you get less. This was the answer I got when I asked about how the Poytning vectors looked.
The initial shockwave extends far greater then the conduction field from the initial current. The Earth's magnetic field responds to this. Otherwise you are trying to hold water with a screen.

Really?  So, what is he talking about the initial current interacting with the earth's magnetic field?  Interacts how?  If things are this straight forward, why can't you just pulse a coil and get more out than in?

Must be a little more to it than that.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2009, 07:29:50 PM by giantkiller »