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Author Topic: Understanding electricity in the TPU.  (Read 284384 times)

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #45 on: November 28, 2009, 09:09:52 PM »
@Gobaga,
A different way to say what Wattsup & Sparks stated:
Same thing if you beat a bell with a rubber hose you get nothing no matter how many times you do it. But if you use a harder object (shorter pulse) and time it just right (frequency/resonance) you could topple a bridge with a ball peen hammer, a pinball flipper coil or a pinball free game knocker.
Now I have to find the wire length for next coil that matches 38.5khz at 1/4 wave length. Resonance keeps the field extended while we push on it in another way. You cut the flux connection completely off, modulate the field perimeter, or modulate the field interior like Tesla modulating the ionosphere dielectric with the Wardenclyffe tower. But you have to communicate with the medium in a way that excites it and matches what your process needs to match the output desired. Then we can 'Pump It Up'. The bigger the field the more we have to play with. Resonance helps us get there with lower power consumption. Look at the TPU this way and you see the hidden secret. 8)
Grumpy stated that if you force resonance with an LC tank with torque the E & B field out are of phase with each other. This adds extra return. Natural resonance returns them in phase so you get less. This was the answer I got when I asked about how the Poytning vectors looked.
The initial shockwave extends far greater then the conduction field from the initial current. The Earth's magnetic field responds to this. Otherwise you are trying to hold water with a screen.

Giantkiller

We are close. Check what I and winsonali posted on this thread : http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7987.460

Now backing to child on swing we can give him a ball at correct moments and this ball can be throw away at 1/4 of period of oscillation using no energy.We have gain even.When ball is thrown away child is pushed back a little so amplitude of oscillation is a bit raised. All we need to make is to periodically give ball to the child. Movement of this ball is basically unidirectional yet ball may be in swing action for a while.
Then if ball is thrown gravity pull it back to ground.This is what we need to tune into.

In electrical terms : we need to push ambient electrons across secondary "pump" so they will ride like a nuts from secondary ends. Then we will have inrush kick or radiant effect which we need to tune into.
Don Smith method.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #45 on: November 28, 2009, 09:09:52 PM »

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« Reply #46 on: November 28, 2009, 10:24:03 PM »
Well GK,

That's way off the statement SM made about the interaction with the EMF and electrons in the wire. He was clearly referring to the actual Lorentz Force experienced by and manifested in the wire.

This IS precisely what happens when the filament juice in a vacuum tube is turned ON, and is also what SM is referring to when the TPU is pulsed. The TPU experiences a series of pulsating movements, so tiny that they are only perceptible as a slight vibration. I take the gyro effect with a grain of salt, as that is most likely just a change in the effect due to the varying pitch of the TPU as it is freely rotated in the air by hand.

Now, how SM equates this to OU is a good question. I think it's obvious that there is a large gap of information linking this basic phenomenon, and the actual production of OU.

I think this "kick" as SM called it is simply a symptom (and is not mystical in itself)  of the starter process which is used to propel the device to it's full mode of operation.

It goes without saying that making the connection between the Lorentz Force kick and the final production of OU is the challenge.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #47 on: November 28, 2009, 10:37:43 PM »
@Gobaga,
A different way to say what Wattsup & Sparks stated:
Same thing if you beat a bell with a rubber hose you get nothing no matter how many times you do it. But if you use a harder object (shorter pulse) and time it just right (frequency/resonance) you could topple a bridge with a ball peen hammer, a pinball flipper coil or a pinball free game knocker.
Now I have to find the wire length for next coil that matches 38.5khz at 1/4 wave length. Resonance keeps the field extended while we push on it in another way. You cut the flux connection completely off, modulate the field perimeter, or modulate the field interior like Tesla modulating the ionosphere dielectric with the Wardenclyffe tower. But you have to communicate with the medium in a way that excites it and matches what your process needs to match the output desired. Then we can 'Pump It Up'. The bigger the field the more we have to play with. Resonance helps us get there with lower power consumption. Look at the TPU this way and you see the hidden secret. 8)
Grumpy stated that if you force resonance with an LC tank with torque the E & B field out are of phase with each other. This adds extra return. Natural resonance returns them in phase so you get less. This was the answer I got when I asked about how the Poytning vectors looked.
The initial shockwave extends far greater then the conduction field from the initial current. The Earth's magnetic field responds to this. Otherwise you are trying to hold water with a screen.

Resonance?   

Resonance is two things: a slow build up of energy, and a repeating pattern (standing wave)

How does that have anything to do with the earth's magnetic field?

Did Steven mean that this extra energy only occurs in certain circuits or conditions?  If so, then it could take forever to find a circuit that makes this little bit of extra energy.  Has anyone looked at the circuits for tubes that Steven mentioned in association with the extra energy.


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« Reply #48 on: November 29, 2009, 02:16:11 PM »
  If the near field of the tpu is pumped up to a considerable size would it be possible for capture of low frequency wave energy.  The nearfield of the tpu enlarged to the point that it is able to capture low frequency scaler wave energy. The sperm whale has a very large oil filled ear.  Around this ear are placed sensors responding to different protions of the scource pressure waves as they effect the liquid at different times.  The whales brain is able to tell from which direction the longitudinal wave is coming from as it progresses through the liquid as well as the distance due to the strength of the signal.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #49 on: November 29, 2009, 05:14:37 PM »
  If the near field of the tpu is pumped up to a considerable size would it be possible for capture of low frequency wave energy.  The nearfield of the tpu enlarged to the point that it is able to capture low frequency scaler wave energy. The sperm whale has a very large oil filled ear.  Around this ear are placed sensors responding to different protions of the scource pressure waves as they effect the liquid at different times.  The whales brain is able to tell from which direction the longitudinal wave is coming from as it progresses through the liquid as well as the distance due to the strength of the signal.

I feel like dankie when I say this, but there is just a bunch of blah blah blah in this thread.  A minute ago it was "resonance".  Now it's "scalar waves".

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2009, 10:30:11 PM »
There are but a few things that are immensely related.

Look at the similarities in the device and the circuit to other things you've seen.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/sclxmtr.htm

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« Reply #51 on: November 30, 2009, 12:16:14 AM »
   SM stated that the magnetic field produced by the tpu was quite large.  Almost like what is produced by an energy sucking loop antennae.  By creating a rather large current in the tpu collector windings one would expect a rather large magnetic field.  Electrical enlargement of antennaes has been practiced for many years to both transmit and absorb emwaves.  Is there not a magnetic field anamolly associated with an electromagnetic wave.  If this wavelength is thousands of miles long we can still catch the magnetic portion of the wave.  The portion that compresses and rarifies space.  The larger the antennae the more gain from the magnetic disruption superimposed on it. 

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #52 on: December 01, 2009, 02:40:46 PM »
@all

OK OK let's just take a right turn here for a minute or so.

The other day when @EM was showing his loop receiver, I tried to make one but it does not work. I then looked for an existing loop and knew about a loop inside a shot computer monitor I was about to take apart. And what do you have that loops around the monitor tube, a degaussing coil. It's only TWO TURNS of regular wire. And those two turns of wire when excited or energized will degauss the complete surface area of the monitor. The funny thing is the FTPU also has 2 x two turns loops onto which is wound the outer control coil.

I remember once I posted a patent that was a degaussing system that worked by pulsing into a coil at a certain frequency around the 200khz level if I remember correctly. I will have to look it up again.

But the point is this. What if (hey hey another what if) the TPU does not work with conventional on/off pulsing of the main coil to create either a transmitter or coupling event. Let's say you apply a straight DC to the loop instead of trying to pulse a stronger and stronger growing DC pulse. That would save a major hassle in terms of having the mosfet or transistor to handle all that stress plus any flyback. So you apply a DC straight onto the loop, then, on the same loop you apply a small unchanging pulsing (AC or DC I don't know yet) frequency that acts as a degaussing effect on the same loop that also has the DC in it. That will now make the pulsing of the DC in the loop without having a pulser on the DC line.

You can pulse a straight DC into a coil or you can maintain a DC field and pulse a degaussing frequency into the same coil. So imagine if you can degauss a dc coil with a side stream. This means the DC coil will be pulsing itself without any transistors or mosfets in the line and especially without that damn diode that will kill any flyback off that coil when it is in the degaussed mode.

The other thing about this idea is that it would fall in perfectly with SM being a TV techie, he has seen the degaussing effects many times. So another what if in my mind is that TV that blew up. What if a perfectly normal TV had a wacky degaussing coil that was going on and off continuously, even going faster and faster. What would that do eventually to the flyback transformer and TV yoke? (If my Dad was still alive, he would answer this because he was the best TV tech around. I also learned from my Mom that he had weekly Tesla meetings with a few other Montreal techies. Man I miss him so much.) But if it was a tube TV, some of those tubes could start receiving direct ambient feedback from the pulsing degaussing coil and this could compound any other side effects that leads to an explosion. Just thinking out load.

The main point here in understanding electricity in a TPU is to look for other available ways to make a pulse.

Either that or there is definitely something very new, a new way of looking at electricity itself, that standard or classical EE has not considered or has willingly forgotten since Tesla's time. My question on page 1 of this thread tried to lead into that question with some logical stages but that's OK. Can anyone remember seeing a Tesla patent that runs on DC and that also has in the drawing a + and - designation for the power source. Man, we have to think out of the damn box, but the box is soooo big and the openings are so few, lucky I do not suffer from claustrophobia.

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« Reply #53 on: December 01, 2009, 02:54:41 PM »
Let me just add this post here that I forgot to post a few days ago.

Here is how I visualize the inrush as we call a kick.

Take a compass. Why does the needle point towards the north pole? How can the north pole be so discreet yet strong enough to effect a small needle thousands of miles away, to make it point towards it. So if a compass needle does this, so do all other magnetic components.

Now think of the same compass placed between two small coils that are placed at East and West of the compass and its needle is still pointing north. The West coil has the south pole closest to the compass and the East coil has its north pole closest to the compass. Now energize both coils at the same time. What happens to the compass needle? It now points to the East coil? Now pulse the coils together. What happens to the compass needle. Depending on the pulse frequency it will still point towards the East coil and the faster the frequency, the less movement you will see from the needle.

So the main movement of the needle was when the coils were first energized because the needle that was pointing North, swung hard to the East, then stayed near East according to the pulse frequency.

For me, this is what is happening inside a wire. A compass is just the same as a magnet. All wires have little magnets (atoms) inside them that are all pointing to the dominant field source. In our case, it is the north pole. Applying power to the wire is like giving it a new north and south potential, like the East/West coils. When the wire is not potentialized (don't think this is a word - lol) for a prolonged length of time, its atoms are pointing North. Once power is applied, they will align to the new north south potential and from there will stay in that position or near that position depending on the pulsing frequency. And there in is the kick but it's actually a swing. Or call it a Savate. Nice swing kick. lol

The problem with the kick is that once the first kick is done, the following pulses can only hold the same position of the electrons. You would have to pulse for the initial kick, then realign the electrons to their previous position, to then pulse again to get two kicks in a row, and so on.

Now in contrast, referring to my previous post, if you provide the maximum DC that turns the electrons and holds those electrons, and use a degaussing method to reset them, then each pulse will be a real kick.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #54 on: December 01, 2009, 04:39:31 PM »
Let me just add this post here that I forgot to post a few days ago.

Here is how I visualize the inrush as we call a kick.

Take a compass. Why does the needle point towards the north pole? How can the north pole be so discreet yet strong enough to effect a small needle thousands of miles away, to make it point towards it. So if a compass needle does this, so do all other magnetic components.

Now think of the same compass placed between two small coils that are placed at East and West of the compass and its needle is still pointing north. The West coil has the south pole closest to the compass and the East coil has its north pole closest to the compass. Now energize both coils at the same time. What happens to the compass needle? It now points to the East coil? Now pulse the coils together. What happens to the compass needle. Depending on the pulse frequency it will still point towards the East coil and the faster the frequency, the less movement you will see from the needle.

So the main movement of the needle was when the coils were first energized because the needle that was pointing North, swung hard to the East, then stayed near East according to the pulse frequency.

For me, this is what is happening inside a wire. A compass is just the same as a magnet. All wires have little magnets (atoms) inside them that are all pointing to the dominant field source. In our case, it is the north pole. Applying power to the wire is like giving it a new north and south potential, like the East/West coils. When the wire is not potentialized (don't think this is a word - lol) for a prolonged length of time, its atoms are pointing North. Once power is applied, they will align to the new north south potential and from there will stay in that position or near that position depending on the pulsing frequency. And there in is the kick but it's actually a swing. Or call it a Savate. Nice swing kick. lol

The problem with the kick is that once the first kick is done, the following pulses can only hold the same position of the electrons. You would have to pulse for the initial kick, then realign the electrons to their previous position, to then pulse again to get two kicks in a row, and so on.

Now in contrast, referring to my previous post, if you provide the maximum DC that turns the electrons and holds those electrons, and use a degaussing method to reset them, then each pulse will be a real kick.

This is very good theory! That may explain effects of powering up huge DC Edison generators.And surely also resonance harmonics may be the reason and actual overunity! That's why Tesla made so much make&break controllers - to not suppress harmonics. Now I see that ingenious novelty of TPU is in way of getting out energy from harmonics without disturbing resonance. That we should looking for.

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« Reply #55 on: December 01, 2009, 04:43:08 PM »
Funny thing.All we need is a way to test resonant LC circuit on the place above Earth magnetic field.If harmonics are the same and on the same level then I'm wrong , in other case harmonics are interaction from magnetosphere.

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« Reply #56 on: December 01, 2009, 05:01:29 PM »
@wattsup

Would this secondary pulse be in the same wire or a overlying wire wound in the same direction but on top of the constant DC wire?

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« Reply #57 on: December 01, 2009, 05:07:27 PM »
This is very good theory! That may explain effects of powering up huge DC Edison generators.And surely also resonance harmonics may be the reason and actual overunity! That's why Tesla made so much make&break controllers - to not suppress harmonics. Now I see that ingenious novelty of TPU is in way of getting out energy from harmonics without disturbing resonance. That we should looking for.

i like this aproch ... 


what you mention is reall good info ...

watch ..1   pancake 2...t coil secondary ...  3...... coilssssss  HARMONICS...  ;D ;)

w815

find the harmonics by a neon...   place  coils tuned properly there ... 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 th harmonics ...

and do not get hurt!

ill better explain ...  pancake ringgs secondary ...   both equal mass a stout wire and a longgggg wire ..  about the long layed down tesla secondary .. are layed the tuned coils to the harmonics OF THAT 1 SINGLE wire ..   this should not be hard to build nor understand how and why and what is takeing place in such a coil ..

did i have to build it to understand it ... NO    Y ?

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« Reply #58 on: December 01, 2009, 05:29:31 PM »
What is the relation of resonance and harmonics ? Are there harmonics in phase of resonant frequency or lag behind it ? Does this question have a sense ?

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« Reply #59 on: December 01, 2009, 05:33:48 PM »
i think b4 an aduquate answer is achieved ...

it is better to understand what resonance is ...

can a KICK FROM 1 SINGLE INPUT OF ENGERY  have harmonics... ? 

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now this raises the question what is a tuned kick ...  ?

not 1 kick ...  1 tuned kick ... lol

this is a single kick tuned..  imho

second pic  simi tuned

3rd pic looks tuned .. 

4th pic tuned coil 2 freqs....  ::)

last 1 a single kick .....  :P

 

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