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Author Topic: Understanding electricity in the TPU.  (Read 284330 times)

Offline giantkiller

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #750 on: August 25, 2010, 05:29:04 AM »
Previously posted using bifilar steel and copper. Kept coils at 90 degrees. Kept coils at a distance. Kept volts at 12v. Raise the mass and the voltage for higher effects.

Also:
http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1919-07-00.htm
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Magnetic%20Resonant%20Amplifier.pdf
http://merlib.org/node/5056
http://www.fact-index.com/t/te/tesla_coil.html
http://www.kuenstler-energie.de/COG/RESONANC.htm
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5004166.html
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/Destructive+Resonance

And the big one:
http://www.byronnewenergy.com/wiki/index.php?title=Tesla_and_resonance


Thought you'd see something new? Been done before. Engineers avoid it.

Yep... banging fets and coils doesn't work. One must use finesse to coax the powers of nature.

I go back to building and configuring now.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #750 on: August 25, 2010, 05:29:04 AM »

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #751 on: August 25, 2010, 04:09:19 PM »
Previously posted using bifilar steel and copper. Kept coils at 90 degrees. Kept coils at a distance. Kept volts at 12v. Raise the mass and the voltage for higher effects.

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Yep... banging fets and coils doesn't work. One must use finesse to coax the powers of nature.

I go back to building and configuring now.

Banging coils most certainly does work.  You just have to use a hell of a lot more than 12v nad a hell of a lot more than 10 feet of wire.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #752 on: August 26, 2010, 12:10:53 AM »
A top level decision needs to be made about this thread then:

Are we going to bang coils or finesse Mother Nature into a date with destiny?

The first way takes high voltage and the 2nd way takes a little more knowledge.
I can throw sledgehammers or a bouquet.

If you work outside then throw sledgehammers. If you work inside then carry a bouquet, its safer.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #752 on: August 26, 2010, 12:10:53 AM »
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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #753 on: August 26, 2010, 10:59:52 AM »
Lets stop this with a simple explanation:

EMd: back me up.

@All,
You take 2 transformers next to each other that are tanked. Resonate them 180d out of phase. You now have the model of Harmonic amplified resonant power or power amplification through harmonic resonance. This process blows shit up! Fuse boxes, pole pigs, towers, sound amplifiers. Now put this process to work between a generator and a motor. Can you say Johnson motor?
If you have never heard the waving buzz that sings across the chassis then you have no right to talk about OU! Kapeesh?

Don Smith used this also.

I don't know a better way to put this.

The tpus are 2 lc tanks resonating back and forth. Get this just right and you can collect. It is the echoing process that one hears and sees with guitar feedback in an amp. You can break equipment. Hello?

Ok, 3 guitarists each with tube amps  just close enough to speaker stacks  to keep their  notes sustaining.

Now put the voice coils in proximity to each other and a place of collection that just happens to have high voltage , low current applied with respect to a new "fake" ground reference.

Two of these, clockwise and anti clockwise , phase and anti phase .
Does  the high voltage current remain at milliamps?
 
Sounds like gobbledygook uh?




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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #754 on: August 26, 2010, 11:34:03 AM »
Forgive me Master ,

I'm not sure I understood.Two tube amps to create distortion with amplitude rising and third to modulate it and swirl in phase to become output current ? Looks like two magamps in parametric oscillator and a control valve to me...

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #755 on: August 26, 2010, 11:44:02 AM »
Forgive me Master ,

I'm not sure I understood.Two tube amps to create distortion with amplitude rising and third to modulate it and swirl in phase to become output current ? Looks like two magamps in parametric oscillator and a control valve to me...

3 amps  ..... just do one and , if you don't find it interesting. Give up !

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #756 on: August 26, 2010, 11:54:22 PM »
Hey Guys,

I tried the guitar thing, but without the amplifier. I connected a voltmeter to the end of my guitar cord and strummed some chords. The voltmeter was set to AC volts. Different chords created different voltage outputs. I got from 0.075 to 0.150 volts hitting major chords, and up to 0.225 using minor and chromatic scale chordings. The reason I posted this was because of the tank circuit, and the 2 to 3 guitar feedback idea that was posted. Something so simple as strings vibrating over magnets and coils, created voltages, minute though they may be, but voltages still the same. Any ideas on how to amplify the voltages instead of the sound?

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #757 on: August 28, 2010, 04:01:53 AM »
@jerseyboy17

to amplify these small voltages without active amplifiers you need to feed the voltage into a tank circuit (in SERIES). 

so, connect a coil and a capacitor in series with the pickup coil that generates your small voltages. 

You have to have the right inductance and capacitance to have the correct resonant frequency as your guitar (f = 1/(2*pi*sqrt(L*C))). The problem is you need a lot of inductance and capacitance to hit the low frequencies but it's doable.

EM

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #758 on: August 28, 2010, 04:09:39 AM »
Sounds like gobbledygook uh?

No. It sounds like the small toroids mounted on the 'box' with the big yellow caps to me.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #759 on: August 28, 2010, 06:20:53 PM »
sounds good GK,  I like the two transformer approach.  I have a hard time believing the 3 freq SM explanations anyway. 

I've been holding something back for a few months, because I need to  analyze it more completely,  but in brief I've concluded that circuit analysis seems to indicate power amplification from a Don Smith and Kapandaze type of resonant step down circuit.  Maybe I'm just fooling myself.  I want to build stuff first before I open my mouth, so I can avoid the foot in the mouth repercussions  :)

EM

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #760 on: September 01, 2010, 03:06:35 PM »
@all

Always looking for newer things to try out and here are two that could have some usefulness.

Maybe one realm to consider is running with two batteries but not connected together. One battery runs one side of a toroid while the other runs the other side of the toroid. Both coils get pulsed at the same time but the flyback (NOT BEMF) returns to the other battery. So you have each battery that pulses at the same time while the flyback goes to the other battery.

Usually a battery gets charged by another device (alternator, generator or other pulsed battery output, etc.) that has its own frequency or timing and not by itself. It is hard for a battery to do both when it is the same source of the pulse and the end destination for the flyback. There may be a condition there that has to do with the circuit overall resonance that inhibits the maximum recharge. So using two batteries may cause a greater recharging since each battery will see an outside source charging it. I want to know more about this. You can even have 12 batteries, one per primary coil and flyback always returns to the next battery. If that is feasible.

By using two circuits and batteries, the flyback can be sent to the opposing battery. So each one runs the toroid but is recharged by the other.

Now the only hold back to this idea is that both coils will still be on the same toroid core and may share a combined resonance and this may still hinder flyback recharge to opposing batteries. So the final solution to this idea may be to use two toroid cores with two primaries each and the flyback from one primary can go to one of the batteries in the other pair. This way, both are now isolated and the flyback will go from one resonance source to a totally isolated target battery.

Maybe on final note on batteries, flyback and/or reactive power recharge, etc. One question that is not very well defined is how do batteries really react to a recharge potential at varying recharge voltages. If you run a device on 12vdc that is producing 250vdc flyback potential, how does the 12vdc battery react to so much recharge voltage. Batteries are known to be able to efficiently recharge at up to 20% of its amperage rating but we know nothing about the voltage level influences. Will a 250vdc flyback be 100% absorbed by the 12vdc battery or is there inherent loss due to the mis-match of voltage between them. What if the flyback went back into a separate battery bank that had 20 x 12vdc batteries in series. This way the flyback would enter into a battery bank that has the same or slightly less absorptive capacity as the flyback level. Would that make a difference in battery recharge.

Then you would ask OK, now you have 21 batteries in series being well recharged so what do you do with so much voltage. Well, you can switch them into parallel back to 12vdc and send it back to main battery, or instead of switching to parallel, you can pulse that 250vdc through a 20:1 ratio toroidal transformer to then send it back at higher amperage back to the main battery.

What we are missing in our devices is this series to parallel relationship. We are asking one coil (or two identical wound coils) to do both voltage and amperage production. This is very difficult to do and will invariably produce heat dissipation hence energy loss. If the series to parallel relationship are properly matched to the device design, this heat loss should be diminished hence more energy is available to be reconverted to the initial source. All these effects play either for or against the device in question. I had made a small diagram of a toroid coil that may explain this better.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8185.msg239217#msg239217

The other question or effect is how to use a diode in a non-classical way. That is to say in using a diode but not in the forward sense. If you have a load with a positive lead with diode pointing to the source, the load will not see the source so it cannot load. But that diode also has a reverse acting parameter. I noticed it during my pulsing coil videos. I think that is what gave the 800 volts reactive. So if the source is resonant to the diode reverse flow point, then you would be getting energy shots going into the load. The load could be a secondary circuit as well as a bulb. The reverse of the diode could be used as a higher amperage pulsing method.

I will be testing these two ideas during the coming weeks as well as a few other new ideas for coil windings. Keep thinking out of the box.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #761 on: January 11, 2011, 07:15:28 PM »
sounds good GK,  I like the two transformer approach.  I have a hard time believing the 3 freq SM explanations anyway. 

I've been holding something back for a few months, because I need to  analyze it more completely,
       but in brief I've concluded that circuit analysis seems to indicate power amplification
               from a Don Smith and Kapandaze type of resonant step down circuit.


Maybe I'm just fooling myself.
I want to build stuff first before I open my mouth,
so I can avoid the foot in the mouth repercussions.  :)

EM

5 months later... and no update from EM on this or anything else. (cept condolences for Otto)
A previous regular poster... hmm

Hope things are well EM. ;o)
I'm sure if you are working with Resonance and FerroMagnetic Cores... you are on to something special.

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #762 on: January 12, 2011, 03:24:23 AM »



Just for an interesting  aspect I have been unable to prove, as I don't have a scale with no metal parts.  (Could be seeing a field effect?)


Good luck.  This is the stuff that keeps me coming back for more.

Art.

You do not need scale with no metal parts
string+ upper roler+ from the other side TENSIOMETER  (spring with scale)

If you do not have one  than put on the  regular scale  "something heavy" ,than attach to it  string go up around the roller( grove one)  go down and attach  measured "opposite vector" to the end of the string.
Than whatever weight is in the string...that much lighter would be that "something heavy"   

field effect could be obtain  using gaussmeter as well   in my  lab - RFL 912 gaussmeter

Wesley

PS:I'm reading all  of this............
Great people Thank You all of you, You are what was needed for all of this years..

So what is not so optimistic?
Well............ some of you  mix up apple with bananas..........
But ,since we "up side  down" traditional science.....I'm not going to criticize it as of yet.
Maybe I'm one who is  in error...
I wish I'm......

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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #763 on: January 12, 2011, 03:42:23 AM »
@stivep

Thanks again for your long and tedious work of translation. And, luckily I happened. upon your other video;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1f5sgAdc9w&feature=autoplay&list=ULcs_plkrTfj8&index=1&playnext=3

It was a visual symphony to my eyes. Nice lab. Really nice.

wattsup


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Re: Understanding electricity in the TPU.
« Reply #764 on: January 12, 2011, 04:08:00 AM »
@stivep

Thanks again for your long and tedious work of translation. And, luckily I happened. upon your other video;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1f5sgAdc9w&feature=autoplay&list=ULcs_plkrTfj8&index=1&playnext=3

It was a visual symphony to my eyes. Nice lab. Really nice.

wattsup

I wish I could make this lab to be available for you to allow you to experiment.
I went to fast to high with everything and I have got stacked. Instead of me to provide experiments I'm trying to fight with mechanical part.Very heavy mils and 2000 pounds CNC - Novakon NM-200
lathe and so on... Carry on all of this to the basement,and preparation ( I have wasted close 2 months)
take it  a part and together again to fit into the hatch.
But we all will be able to help each other and I DO THANK YOU   for this help.

Wesley

 

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