Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze (Read 16569731 times)

SchubertReijiMaigo · « **Reply #15945 on:** February 10, 2013, 12:06:48 PM »

@ Forest, sorry I still don't get it here.

Maybe "What is the difference between voltage and energy ?"
Or simply: "Where is your load in your circuit ?"
If I ask like this you can find a part of the answer...

leo48 · « **Reply #15946 on:** February 10, 2013, 12:34:17 PM »

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Maybe "What is the difference between voltage and energy ?"

The tension is not energy but is the parameter that decides where the energy flows

having two parts one has a high voltage and low energy and the other low voltage and a lot of energy, brought into contact with the energy will flow from that to higher voltage than that in the lowest

Leo48

verpies · « **Reply #15947 on:** February 10, 2013, 12:54:15 PM »

Quote from: leo48 on February 10, 2013, 12:34:17 PM

The tension is not energy but is the parameter that decides where the energy flows

What about electric current? Current is composed of moving charges in vacuum, plasma, gases, liquids and solids.
Doesn't voltage influence their motion?

cheappower2012 · « **Reply #15948 on:** February 10, 2013, 01:25:09 PM »

It can never be said that TK's device is 100% real however,there are things
that can not be easly explained.In the 2004 video,when the plug from the inverter is removed
for a while the lights continue to light going out after a while followed by a strange noise.
I am very good at creating illusions,why would he build in this effect,when the inverter was removed the lights should have gone out
very quickly with no strange noise.In my exploring hes setup I discovered that the clampmeter he uses in the green box video
has a strange effect in that it
indicates ground current when there is no ground current,the reason he can't read the ac voltage is for the same reason,pulses
induced into the ac that mix with it.
It turns out doing more research the meter I have is made by the same company
that made TK's and is a lesser model m266 instead of m266c so the circuity is about the same.
Since in the green box video they couldn't measure the ac voltages there are pulses in the ac ,these cause false readings,
a constantly changing ac voltage the same as I got.If this changing ac voltage measurement is present
then the meter will read a false ground current.Tk attempts to hide the device by saying its a tesla invention
,in the 2004 video there is no guy with a ground cable running up hes sleeve,the guts in the 2004 video are in the green box video.
In the transparent box video,there is a strange noise,it turns out to be 400hz,when the device starts, its loud,after awhile it goes low,when a bank of lights are added at first the noise is very laud
then it goes down.Why add this strange noise normal con men don't do this,this noise has something to do with the operation of the device.
One problem I have and that has to do with lights used,1,000 watts is very high for a house hold lamp,I would guess there 100 watts,so the total would be 500 watts,however I live in the US we use 110 ac.It maybe that the bulb is 1,000 watts there should be some members here that live in that area and would know.
There is a problem in that its hard to believe that Tk could discover an effect missed by the physics community,but I think
because he doesn't know not to try something he did
and discovered this effect this led to the device.In the US ,SM also discovered this effect,this led to the tpu
after a period of years of experimenting.This is speculating,I believe that there exists an unknown energy source very dense,missed by the physics community
devices like the TK device and the tpu are able to take this energy source and convert it into electrical energy,because the energy source is very dense
great power can be extracted from a small space.These devices are energy converters,not free energy devices.

forest · « **Reply #15949 on:** February 10, 2013, 02:04:58 PM »

yes, SM told you

Grumage · « **Reply #15950 on:** February 10, 2013, 03:40:30 PM »

Quote from: verpies on February 10, 2013, 10:11:28 AM

Sound is caused by magnetostriction or core slapping due to Ampere forces.
Graham Gunderson has a patent for an energy generator using magnetoacoustic phenomenon.

Anyway, your 1:1 transformer is symmetrical - do you still get loaded voltage increase if you connect it in reverse? sec<->pri

Humble pie time!! And an apology. Measurement errror, my 40 W amp module would not allow me to connect the ground lead from my scope probe, it short circuited the output. Like a fool I left it open.
Having removed the earth from the 13 A plug of the scope, this enabled me to connect both sides of scope probes to the input and guess what? input matches output, MAGIC!!!
So once again measurement error can play a part in fooling us all, sorry guys, I will try to do better.

verpies · « **Reply #15951 on:** February 10, 2013, 04:31:15 PM »

Good scientific attitude. Many people would be afraid to admit a measurement error.
However the worst errors are conceptual.

Grumage · « **Reply #15952 on:** February 10, 2013, 08:05:41 PM »

Quote from: Grumage on February 10, 2013, 03:40:30 PM

Humble pie time!! And an apology. Measurement errror, my 40 W amp module would not allow me to connect the ground lead from my scope probe, it short circuited the output. Like a fool I left it open.
Having removed the earth from the 13 A plug of the scope, this enabled me to connect both sides of scope probes to the input and guess what? input matches output, MAGIC!!!
So once again measurement error can play a part in fooling us all, sorry guys, I will try to do better.

I have spent the best part of this afternoon (it's raining anyway!!) going over my results, to find all tests done on my pseudo parrametric transformer to be DUD. So I decided to recheck the tests done with the special russian transformer, these are still perplexing.
Results.

16 V P/P in (earth gounded probe) @ 20Khz
15.9 V P/P out (earth grounded probe) Into 20 W 12 V Halogen bulb.
DC input current, inc amplifier quiescent @70mA, Was 490mA
Output current determined by voltdrop across 1.09 ohm resistor in series with load. 3 V P/P (scope measured). So 1.5 div by 0.7071 div by 1.09 = 1.946 A

Am I right? I am beginning to doubt myself!!

My reasons for persuing this avenue is because I feel it is the heart of the TK device. And that of SR193.

Hoppy · « **Reply #15953 on:** February 10, 2013, 08:43:58 PM »

Quote from: cheappower2012 on February 10, 2013, 01:25:09 PM

It can never be said that TK's device is 100% real however,there are things
that can not be easly explained.In the 2004 video,when the plug from the inverter is removed
for a while the lights continue to light going out after a while followed by a strange noise.
I am very good at creating illusions,why would he build in this effect,when the inverter was removed the lights should have gone out
very quickly with no strange noise.In my exploring hes setup I discovered that the clampmeter he uses in the green box video
has a strange effect in that it
indicates ground current when there is no ground current,the reason he can't read the ac voltage is for the same reason,pulses
induced into the ac that mix with it.
It turns out doing more research the meter I have is made by the same company
that made TK's and is a lesser model m266 instead of m266c so the circuity is about the same.
Since in the green box video they couldn't measure the ac voltages there are pulses in the ac ,these cause false readings,
a constantly changing ac voltage the same as I got.If this changing ac voltage measurement is present
then the meter will read a false ground current.Tk attempts to hide the device by saying its a tesla invention
,in the 2004 video there is no guy with a ground cable running up hes sleeve,the guts in the 2004 video are in the green box video.
In the transparent box video,there is a strange noise,it turns out to be 400hz,when the device starts, its loud,after awhile it goes low,when a bank of lights are added at first the noise is very laud
then it goes down.Why add this strange noise normal con men don't do this,this noise has something to do with the operation of the device.
One problem I have and that has to do with lights used,1,000 watts is very high for a house hold lamp,I would guess there 100 watts,so the total would be 500 watts,however I live in the US we use 110 ac.It maybe that the bulb is 1,000 watts there should be some members here that live in that area and would know.
There is a problem in that its hard to believe that Tk could discover an effect missed by the physics community,but I think
because he doesn't know not to try something he did
and discovered this effect this led to the device.In the US ,SM also discovered this effect,this led to the tpu
after a period of years of experimenting.This is speculating,I believe that there exists an unknown energy source very dense,missed by the physics community
devices like the TK device and the tpu are able to take this energy source and convert it into electrical energy,because the energy source is very dense
great power can be extracted from a small space.These devices are energy converters,not free energy devices.

Thanks for your honest assessment of the TK devices. As you comment the wire up the guys sleeve was not an earth wire, it was carrying the power to the device IMO.

I most certainly agree with you that TK's devices convert energy and do not produce free energy. However, the challenge is to prove beyond reasonable doubt where the source energy comes from. There are clearly differing opinions / guesses on this and this is how the situation will remain until TK himself decides to come clean on the modus-operandi of his various devices to a level of detail to allow multiple replications to be built. Its not a case of trusting or not trusting anyone's explanation, as the truth that his devices are in some way special and important to humanity can only come from open sourcing, leading to multiple replication. In the meantime, we can all continue having fun guessing and building this and that idea.

a.king21 · « **Reply #15954 on:** February 10, 2013, 09:37:22 PM »

Why don't you b.... skeptics just read and analyse and comment on his patent applications instead of going round in circles. The patents tell you how the device works.

jbignes5 · « **Reply #15955 on:** February 10, 2013, 11:02:43 PM »

So you are finally coming around to the fact that this is only a conversion device? I said that like days ago. Yes they are converters and yes, science in it's infinite wisdom, decided this source was only a toy. A novelty that couldn't power anything. Well they were wrong were they not?

The source is static but is the reason for all movement in the universe. IT is the initiator of all current and flows that current.

Tesla found the perfect analogy of the infinite energy engine in the submerged container. As long as he could dissipate the in coming stream this engine could pump indefinitely as the stream dissipated. The ground represents a mass that is charge deficient. Plenty of mass but not enough charges to keep it balanced. Radiative events keep the matter in a depleted state. Of course this changes the further you go inside of the earth. Inside there is charges in abundance(heat). This is due to the massive body of the earth and due to static rules. Since there is no inside surface per say, The charges bunch together and cycle in and out of the core. There must be a crystal in the core most likely a ferric diamond type.

This ground is in a vacuum state. We can use the ground to drain away the energy that gets attracted through the coils. Remember this is an exciting field. And ground sucks up this energy like a sponge.

I'll chat more about thins later. I'm on my iPad ATM.

cheappower2012 · « **Reply #15956 on:** February 10, 2013, 11:09:48 PM »

a.king21
You still hanging around,TK made a fool out of you and your crew.
You still don't understand the level of deception TK operates under
he would never put down in paper,how to build hes device.
Some of your beliefs are silly,related to how it works.
You refuse to answer some simply questions,make of heater,did you
supply the heater,does the heater have a fan.
I believe that you said that you disconnected the ground and it still worked.
Its obvious your crew can't figure out how to build it,because the power shown
is very great the first thought is its a fraud.TK doesn't look like Einstein
more like a cheap Santa Clause working in a junk shop,pushes credibility
to the breaking point.This is why some members here think TK is a fraud.

idzaza · « **Reply #15957 on:** February 11, 2013, 01:10:16 AM »

Quote from: cheappower2012 on February 10, 2013, 11:09:48 PM

a.king21
You still hanging around,TK made a fool out of you and your crew.
You still don't understand the level of deception TK operates under
he would never put down in paper,how to build hes device.
Some of your beliefs are silly,related to how it works.
You refuse to answer some simply questions,make of heater,did you
supply the heater,does the heater have a fan.
I believe that you said that you disconnected the ground and it still worked.
Its obvious your crew can't figure out how to build it,because the power shown
is very great the first thought is its a fraud.TK doesn't look like Einstein
more like a cheap Santa Clause working in a junk shop,pushes credibility
to the breaking point.This is why some members here think TK is a fraud.

It is not only a.king21 who saw working device, there are many others who saw many different types of devices built by TK and even helped him in the process of making them. My guess is that he and people around him have been warned to do the way he does and no more. There is a topic about TK in one of well known forum website in Georgia, there is no any useful info in that topic just some users claiming that they have seen the devices built in the 31st factory back in 2000, but projects have been stopped, we do not know reasons they say. What I learnt so far the kind of secret is a HV HF in the primary coil. What is written in the patent seems to me to be correct but there is no specific explanation like at what volt, at what frequency the basic device's primary coil resonates. There are people saying they have seen it working, and could not detect any external source, the devices have been demonstrated at many places in Georgia at different levels and not only, however nothing happened. As far as I could find out the devices in Turkey were not fake. My guess is that he is in a difficult position due to the fact he is surrounded by idiots dreaming, may be on purpose also he is getting old for all this. May be it is just me see them as idiots.

a.king21 · « **Reply #15958 on:** February 11, 2013, 01:14:57 AM »

Quote from: cheappower2012 on February 10, 2013, 11:09:48 PM

a.king21
You still hanging around,TK made a fool out of you and your crew.
You still don't understand the level of deception TK operates under
he would never put down in paper,how to build hes device.
Some of your beliefs are silly,related to how it works.
You refuse to answer some simply questions,make of heater,did you
supply the heater,does the heater have a fan.
I believe that you said that you disconnected the ground and it still worked.
Its obvious your crew can't figure out how to build it,because the power shown
is very great the first thought is its a fraud.TK doesn't look like Einstein
more like a cheap Santa Clause working in a junk shop,pushes credibility
to the breaking point.This is why some members here think TK is a fraud.

You are writing bollox.

jbignes5 · « **Reply #15959 on:** February 11, 2013, 04:24:42 AM »

Quote from: leo48 on February 10, 2013, 12:34:17 PM

The tension is not energy but is the parameter that decides where the energy flows

having two parts one has a high voltage and low energy and the other low voltage and a lot of energy, brought into contact with the energy will flow from that to higher voltage than that in the lowest

Leo48

Very close. You have a fundamental grasp. What you need to relate now is the rules for static fields and charged objects. The object is balanced when no apparent difference can be measured But apply a potential difference between two different spots on that body and it will pull charges out of balance. Through induction by the segments of that body, one can get a diode type action with an increase in voltage from one end to the other. The thought is that matter creates an inertia. This inertia can be used to an advantage. When tesla figured out that static like electricity from his special transformer behaved similar but was still convertible because matter is associated with the field, he fine tuned it to produce huge movements in the matter. Vibrate the matter with the field in the harmonic of the matters frequency. Copper becomes a super current pump especially when it has higher masses.
Remember Tesla when he was talking about the proper resonant frequency for the earth in his world transmission system. That frequency is the tune of the earth that he was trying to oscillate. Although in his concept the earth was the transmitter element and the raised dome was the capacitance to push the earth or transmitter element with. In TK's system he uses the earth to suck the high frequency radiation into the center of the device (Backyard video) and intercept the frequency via a bifilar coil wrapped inside of the radiator element. I'm now thinking the output is very DC or highly pulsed DC. This highly pulsed DC must be converted to AC (isolation transformer) then converted to DC to strip it of frequency then back to the input. This process cleans up the power and isolates it from the load and drive Inverter. I know this sounds lossy but if you get it for free who cares if it is lossy, in other words does it do the job, yes. Is it efficient? No but it is free.

The action of this field when tuned to the coppers frequency, after all resonant calculations should give us the desired ping field frequency of this field We should be testing the fields effects on copper. I had Itsu do that and there was pretty interesting stuff going on. Of course he was trying to energize aluminum capacitors I bet this works with copper better if there is sufficient mass to the copper.

Thinking about the one way diode action of a bifilar coil one could see how a vibrating field would stimulate a lot of current from that coil in a DC like manner.

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