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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 13191225 times)

Offline cheappower2012

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15930 on: February 09, 2013, 10:23:15 PM »
Zeitmaschine

In the past there have been many, mix frequencies ,output equals overunity,in each
case ,it was a measurement error.This applies to the Westly device
unless a device is looped you have nothing but hot air.When you look at things remember
TK looks like an old Santa Clause in a junk work shop,some members here do a projection of
 abilities,
if they have a degree in physics,they believe in an exotic theory,they project there abilities
on to TK.Keep in mind that TK has limitations when you do your experiments.

This projection is illogical,this leads to some silly theories,this same thing happened with
 the tpu thread.With the recent crap of verpies=wasabi my feeling is jjbignes5 =verpies=wasabi=Hoppy
possibly a few more,trust no one.Weither this is to get attention or distract,I don't know,
If the secret
of TK's device were found it would cause a world wide economic system collapse.On that waveform

you posted,if its the noise that happened when the inverter was plugged into mains,I think thats
 a small isolation transformer in the inverter,that can't source
the current to power the device so gets loaded down,not a function of the device,the inverter that TK uses is
 strange,however it may serve a purpose
or it would not have that built in.When the device is powered by the inverter,thru the battery

its quiet.Another aspect is what size ratings are the lights used in the demo's,1,000 watts
seems a lot for
a person in there home,I would guess 100 watts,there should be a few members here that live
 in areas where bulbs like that are used.The light's rating is important since it determines the output of the device in the demo's.
TK's device is not a Tesla invention.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15931 on: February 09, 2013, 10:28:04 PM »
I'm not replying to this because your transformer does not appear to be a parametric transformer.  I base my assessment on your experimental results which show mutual induction even with low power levels - parametric transformers exhibit zero mutual inductance between the primary and secondary windings. 
This is not a matter of "loose coupling", there is a whole chapter that describes various methods of eliminating this mutual induction. See page 200 in chapter 4 of this document.
He is describing one of the proven methods to avoid mutual inductance.  Your joining of the two toroids by the shorted center winding, is completely different.  It makes the orthogonality of the cores irrelevant.

Your scope probe has an internal capacitance and the unloaded secondary winding forms an LC circuit with it, leading to a "resonant voltage raise".  I bet that if you load the secondary with a 1k resistor, then the increased voltage will disappear.

Many thanks for your input. However having read your post I put an even greater load resistor than you suggested 14ohm 1/4 watt carbon directly across the output. Yes I did see a drop but there was still a greater voltage seen at the output. I know this is basic stuff but what is the explanation?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15932 on: February 09, 2013, 11:17:22 PM »
Many thanks for your input. However having read your post I put an even greater load resistor than you suggested 14ohm 1/4 watt carbon directly across the output. Yes I did see a drop but there was still a greater voltage seen at the output. I know this is basic stuff but what is the explanation?

Thanks a lot for your Input, GRUMAGE..  I verified your findings with the Strange Russian Transformer...  I used copper ribbon and made a tube with it, but I left a small gap, long ways.  So that the tube wasn't fully a tube.  It sings like a MoFo.  Around1300Khz, It got so loud that it hurt my ears.  I used a 5 volt output from my Function Gen. and hooked up a long wire through the copper tube that was inside of the ferrit rings and hooked the wire to a LED.  It only lite up in the KHz range.  The function gen. can only lite the LED up just a little bit when I hook it up directly to the GEneerator.  I am going to try your version of the Peizoelectric transformer tonight.  But I appreciate your input on this subject and your videos.   

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15933 on: February 09, 2013, 11:34:55 PM »

With the recent crap of verpies=wasabi my feeling is jjbignes5 =verpies=wasabi=Hoppy
possibly a few more,trust no one.Weither this is to get attention or distract,I don't know,


Where do you fit into your equation?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15934 on: February 09, 2013, 11:43:41 PM »
However having read your post I put an even greater load resistor than you suggested 14ohm 1/4 watt carbon directly across the output. Yes I did see a drop but there was still a greater voltage seen at the output.
That is unusual - I will think about it some more.
Of course voltage alone is not power nor energy.  Most likely you'll need to measure current & voltage simultaneously by your scope to resolve this.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15935 on: February 10, 2013, 12:17:20 AM »
That is unusual - I will think about it some more.
Of course voltage alone is not power nor energy.  Most likely you'll need to measure current & voltage simultaneously by your scope to resolve this.

Thank you, What I am trying to say is that there is something curios about the relationship of Ferrite and HF, you can hear it hissing. I wonder whether there is an interaction with the binding material?

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« Reply #15936 on: February 10, 2013, 12:27:16 AM »
Thanks a lot for your Input, GRUMAGE..  I verified your findings with the Strange Russian Transformer...  I used copper ribbon and made a tube with it, but I left a small gap, long ways.  So that the tube wasn't fully a tube.  It sings like a MoFo.  Around1300Khz, It got so loud that it hurt my ears.  I used a 5 volt output from my Function Gen. and hooked up a long wire through the copper tube that was inside of the ferrit rings and hooked the wire to a LED.  It only lite up in the KHz range.  The function gen. can only lite the LED up just a little bit when I hook it up directly to the GEneerator.  I am going to try your version of the Peizoelectric transformer tonight.  But I appreciate your input on this subject and your videos.

Thank you for your appreciation. But you should use a filament bulb for your tests because the output is AC, your LED will only conduct on every half cycle. You would also get a better result if you could drive the primary with a Sine wave, I got little to no noise from my core.

But keep at it, it's the only way we are going to make any headway towards the common goal!!

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15937 on: February 10, 2013, 12:34:45 AM »
"A voltage is not energy...
You have a resonant rise, try to load that, resonance get killed and loading the input like any Xformer. (conventional theory)"

and what is the correct question ....hmm? Having the good question is like having half the answer
It was that...
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Further tinkering today saw with a 2.2 mFD cap across the open link between primary and secondary Ferrite rings. Still with 1 to 1 to 1 ratio. With 10 volts P/P in we saw 80 volts P/P at output. This only occured at around 30 kHZ I am assuming a resonant responce?


Then I exposed both theories:
The conventional when you have Under-Unity.
The Hector Perez OU theory.
If he have equipment he can now play.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15938 on: February 10, 2013, 12:44:47 AM »
Hi Folks,

I think that in Grumage's toroidal core(s) when they get the drive at 30 kHz, a mechanical resonance may develop in the core(s) and this may explain the extra induction?

Here is a data sheet for a Ferroxube toroid core and just read the 'Remark' under Fig. 4,  PDF file Page 3:
http://www.ferroxcube.com/prod/assets/3r1.pdf 

and from the mechanical sizes of the core(s) the resonant frequency can be calculated. 

I wonder if the sizes match to the 30 kHz frequency?

rgds, Gyula

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15939 on: February 10, 2013, 03:58:25 AM »
Hoppy

 I do have an agenda but it is not to
fool anybody ,misdirect anyone or get attention.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15940 on: February 10, 2013, 04:50:54 AM »
In the past there have been many, mix frequencies ,output equals overunity,in each
case ,it was a measurement error.This applies to the Westly device
unless a device is looped you have nothing but hot air.
Then what is preventing the loop? It is the kind of energy output that almost in every experiment is high frequency or/and high voltage. Therefore I would actually prefer to make experiments which gives an output of 50Hz sine wave. Hence why not make a Joule Thief that uses an iron core transformer at 50Hz instead of a ferrite toroid?

Apropos »looped«: There is one more thing to keep in mind, and this is ... err ... Ed Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder which defy (or defeat?) the laws of physics.

An iron core with two coils stores (loops) the energy indefinitely. But these are obviously the same parts a 50Hz transformer is made of. Hence can a 50Hz transformer also store energy indefinitely? Interesting question.

If the secret
of TK's device were found it would cause a world wide economic system collapse.
I'm looking forward to it.

This projection is illogical,this leads to some silly theories,this same thing happened with
 the tpu thread.With the recent crap of verpies=wasabi my feeling is jjbignes5 =verpies=wasabi=Hoppy
possibly a few more,trust no one.
Yes, trust no one ...

... unless he gives you free energy.

He is describing one of the proven methods to avoid mutual inductance.  Your joining of the two toroids by the shorted center winding, is completely different.  It makes the orthogonality of the cores irrelevant.
No center winding. One toroid is an ordinary Joule Thief with a bifilar winding, the other toroid has one single coil wound on it (but maybe also bifilar) and both are arranged perpendicular to each other (or in a way that gives the best results).

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15941 on: February 10, 2013, 10:11:28 AM »
What I am trying to say is that there is something curios about the relationship of Ferrite and HF, you can hear it hissing. I wonder whether there is an interaction with the binding material?
Sound is caused by magnetostriction or core slapping due to Ampere forces.
Graham Gunderson has a patent for an energy generator using magnetoacoustic phenomenon.

Anyway, your 1:1 transformer is symmetrical - do you still get loaded voltage increase if you connect it in reverse? sec<->pri

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« Reply #15942 on: February 10, 2013, 10:11:28 AM »
The circuit-controller, it may be stated, is any device which will permit of a periodic charging of the condenser F by the energy of the supply-circuit and its discharging into a circuit of low self-induction supplying directly or indirectly the translating devices. Inasmuch as the source of supply is generally of low potential, it is undesirable to charge the condenser directly therefrom, as a condenser of large capacity will in such cases be required. I therefore employ a motor of high self-induction, or in place of or in addition to such motor a choking or self-induction coil E, to store up the energy of the supply-current directed into it and to deliver it in the form of a high-potential discharge when its circuit is interrupted and connected to the terminals of the condenser.

   In order to secure the greatest efficiency in a system of this kind, it is essential, as I have before stated, that the circuits, which, mainly as a matter of convenience, I have designated as the “charging” and the “discharge” circuits, should be approximately in resonance or electromagnetic synchronism.
    Moreover, in order to obtain the greatest output from a given apparatus of this kind, it is desirable to maintain as high a frequency as possible.

Tesla designed a great adjustable Self-Induction Coil, in which Don Smith used in his demonstration during the 1996 Tesla Convention..   The adjustable self-induction coil in the circuit with the condenser, by the adjustment of which the period of vibration of such circuit may be changed.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15943 on: February 10, 2013, 10:31:18 AM »
Hoppy

 I do have an agenda but it is not to
fool anybody ,misdirect anyone or get attention.

OK, then what is your honest opinion about TK's devices being genuine insofar as not requiring an external power supply to power loads?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15944 on: February 10, 2013, 10:54:01 AM »
It was that...

Then I exposed both theories:
The conventional when you have Under-Unity.
The Hector Perez OU theory.
If he have equipment he can now play.


You have not answered my question....

Your statement is good....analyse that trying to ask  the correct question about it , then further analyse will bring you the whole set of possible solutions like a tree.... One branch may give you (probably) the way to answer....

 

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