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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16531458 times)

Hoppy

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15960 on: February 11, 2013, 08:50:28 AM »

You are writing bollox.

Its spelt: --llocks  ;)

Zeitmaschine

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15961 on: February 11, 2013, 03:10:15 PM »
Why don't you b.... skeptics just read and analyse and comment on his patent applications instead of going round in circles. The patents tell you how the device works.
Then surely you can give a hint which coil in the patent is which coil in the 2004 video. It can't be the big coil because in the Green Box video TK itself says the resonator is inside (the box). So the big coil with orange cable is out of the question. Hence where can I see the coils in the 2004 video as depicted in the patent?

Good scientific attitude. Many people would be afraid to admit a measurement error.
However the worst errors are conceptual.
But I think the TK device works just because of a conceptual error. Of course it has to be the right conceptual error.

OK now, in search of excess energy I have wound a yoke device myself (ferrite core of a flyback). But instead of excess energy I've got a Perpetual Motion Holder made of ferrite. What could this mean?

One bifilar coil is connected to a Joule Thief circuit, the other to an incandescent bulb. The bulb glows slightly, the ferrite makes strange noises. After disconnecting the power from the Joule Thief the half cores stick together till I shake them apart. So this seems to be the Leedskalnin effect. Now what to do with it? ???

Supplement: The Perpetual Motion Holder holds only when a load is connected during switch-off, seems there has to be current through both coils.

verpies

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15962 on: February 11, 2013, 03:40:51 PM »
How is that different from ferromagnetic remanence?

Zeitmaschine

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15963 on: February 11, 2013, 04:05:34 PM »
How is that different from ferromagnetic remanence?
Once separated the magnetic force is completely gone (till next connection).

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15964 on: February 11, 2013, 05:09:05 PM »
 I just started watching the turkey investors demo and it really dawned on me what the differences are between the 2004 backyard video and the 2005 Turkey investors video. One is a single phase Square wave output, backyard 2004. The other is a 3 phase unit 2005 Turkey investor unit.


 The back yard video shows an inward electric field and the 2005 video shows an outward 3 phase generator. In both instances it used a heavy copper radiator that is segmented, loops. This allows the field to have spin and acceleration from one end of the heavy coil to the other. It is most likely discharging to ground through the heavy coil. As Tesla found out things change when ones does this to copper or other great conductor. The thicker the material the better it holds up under the pressure of the voltage discharge.


 I mentioned before about how matter can filter this filed and give the field pressure, polarization, diode like character and more interestingly texture to the field. Like gearing works these fields can and will work the same way. But one also needs to remember that more importantly it acts like a super fluid.


 I also believe very strongly that TK'S uses iron filings in the copper tubes to make sure that only the electric field is the only field at play in the coils around the main coil in the 2005 video. Any other fields would be present within each coil around the central mass and center it perfectly inside each phase coil. Maybe an interaction of the two fields in the proper place cause an amplifying effect within each load/phase coil.


 even though the first video in 2004 had only one phase it still makes sense when you look at both the 2004 and 2005 videos.


 Hmm.. Seemed to have rambled a bit there. Sorry.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15965 on: February 11, 2013, 05:17:49 PM »
Hi Folks,

Would like to show you some tests made a few years ago on 2 types of ferromagnetic cores by Nali2001 (a member here too).  The video is in two parts, 1st is 9 min and the 2nd is 2 min long.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHbQXnXK6Xc     part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsN2sr3U0PY   part 2

The youtube uploader (Raselli1) is not Nali2001, only collected these very useful tests when Nali2001 showed them. Raselli1 has some other videos collected from either NAli2001 or someone else, see his video channel http://www.youtube.com/user/Raselli1/videos?flow=grid&view=0

rgds, Gyula

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15966 on: February 11, 2013, 06:10:53 PM »
I have spent the best part of this afternoon (it's raining anyway!!) going over my results, to find all tests done on my pseudo parrametric transformer to be DUD. So I decided to recheck the tests done with the special russian transformer, these are still perplexing.
Results.

16 V P/P in (earth gounded probe) @ 20Khz
15.9 V P/P out (earth grounded probe) Into 20 W 12 V Halogen bulb.
DC input current, inc amplifier quiescent @70mA, Was 490mA
Output current determined by voltdrop across 1.09 ohm resistor in series with load.  3 V P/P (scope measured).    So 1.5 div by 0.7071 div by 1.09 = 1.946 A

Am I right? I am beginning to doubt myself!!

My reasons for persuing this avenue is because I feel it is the heart of the TK device. And that of SR193.

Hi All, Can anyone please verify my calculations, I think I am beginning to lose it!!

More test's on simple 1 to1 ratio Ferrite ring with a 0.047 mFd capacitor in parallel with output coil. Looked for maximum voltage rise against input trace by varying the applied frequency. Noted current. Then applied a small incadescent bulb to output. The input load current dropped. I did not expect this, I would have thought that any load applied to the output should be carried back to input?
BTW, I am applying full Sinus waveform, not pulsed DC from a PWM.

Comments please.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15967 on: February 11, 2013, 08:00:53 PM »
3V P/P = 1.5*2
Then Vpeak = 1.5
I = V/R
Then 1.5/1.09 = 1.3761...


If perfect sine then Irms = Ipeak*1/SQR2
Then 1.3761*1/SQR2 = 0.973...
Then I rms is 0.943 A


Error --> 0.973*2 = 1.946... A


What is the DC input voltage ? since we know that current is 0.490 A
The bulb is at full luminal output or not ?
In standard theory since 15.9/2*1/SQR2 = 5.62... V, the bulb will be underpowered.

Grumage

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15968 on: February 11, 2013, 08:19:36 PM »
3V P/P = 1.5*2
Then Vpeak = 1.5
I = V/R
Then 1.5/1.09 = 1.3761...


If perfect sine then Irms = Ipeak*1/SQR2
Then 1.3761*1/SQR2 = 0.973...
Then I rms is 0.943 A


Error --> 0.973*2 = 1.946... A


What is the DC input voltage ? since we know that current is 0.490 A
The bulb is at full luminal output or not ?
In standard theory since 15.9/2*1/SQR2 = 5.62... V, the bulb will be underpowered.

Thanks for your input. Dc input to AF amp is 18 vdc. Output into primary winding is 15 V P/P. And yes you are quite right the lamp is not at full brilliance. (visual load purpose only).

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15969 on: February 11, 2013, 08:25:48 PM »
 
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3 V P/P (scope measured).    So 1.5 div by 0.7071 div by 1.09 = 1.946 A

Schubert has done it correctly. Your error is indicated in red. You need to multiply here, not divide.

1.5 x 0.7071 = 1.06065        the RMS amplitude of the voltage drop across the CVR -- in this step you are "scaling" and leveling the sine wave by chopping off the peaks and filling the valleys, so the resulting "height" number must be less than the starting number, not more.

1.0606 / 1.09 = 0.973...      the RMS current, by applying Ohm's Law.

And it looks like you are supplying nearly 9 Watts input power. I can testify that filament bulbs glow more brightly when powered with HF AC, than they do with the equivalent DC power. I wonder if you are seeing darkening in the glass... my bulbs get darker after a while due to the filament metal boiling off and depositing on the inside surface, turning them black.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15970 on: February 11, 2013, 08:50:07 PM »

Schubert has done it correctly. Your error is indicated in red. You need to multiply here, not divide.

1.5 x 0.7071 = 1.06065        the RMS amplitude of the voltage drop across the CVR -- in this step you are "scaling" and leveling the sine wave by chopping off the peaks and filling the valleys, so the resulting "height" number must be less than the starting number, not more.

1.0606 / 1.09 = 0.973...      the RMS current, by applying Ohm's Law.

And it looks like you are supplying nearly 9 Watts input power. I can testify that filament bulbs glow more brightly when powered with HF AC, than they do with the equivalent DC power. I wonder if you are seeing darkening in the glass... my bulbs get darker after a while due to the filament metal boiling off and depositing on the inside surface, turning them black.
Well thankyou for putting me straight, I was really thinking we had got it!!! However there does seem to be a current gain. We have a DC input current of 450mA ( inc amp loss) and 970ma load current, or am I still missing something? :-[
BTW, I did try to rectify the output through a FWBR and cap on into the load. Somehow the whole symmetry of the sine waves were lost, very messy but at certain frequencies a greater current was seen into the load than that being applied.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15971 on: February 11, 2013, 09:06:56 PM »
For those , who still trying reproduce yoke style devices .
Three channel amplifier on STK392 -40 .
Eagle 6.1.0 files .
Best regards . ;D


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15972 on: February 11, 2013, 11:01:23 PM »
Then surely you can give a hint which coil in the patent is which coil in the 2004 video. It can't be the big coil because in the Green Box video TK itself says the resonator is inside (the box). So the big coil with orange cable is out of the question. Hence where can I see the coils in the 2004 video as depicted in the patent?



I don't know. I know that TK uses bifilar. I know that he uses high frequency spiked  pulses in alternating spike format.  This is EXACTLY what Tesla uses in his latter patents. Tesla's later patents do not -  repeat DO NOT - refer to AC. They are about short sharp electrostatic pulses which create BEMF that is much higher in voltage than the original impulse. ( although Tesla goes further in creating a HV winding.) That is the term "Radiant energy" That is why I suggested that you were getting close. So the question is:  Can these pulses operate in a conventional transformer? I have seen at least 2 examples where TK seems to use ordinary transformers, in addition to his fancy output coils. However, he then has to shield the output as per electrostatic shielding. This is a common thread throughout his builds.
Maybe you can understand why I get P--- off at some of the crap posted in this thread.( Not by you, I hasten to add.)

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« Reply #15973 on: February 11, 2013, 11:45:43 PM »
I don't know. I know that TK uses bifilar. I know that he uses high frequency spiked  pulses in alternating spike format.  This is EXACTLY what Tesla uses in his latter patents. Tesla's later patents do not -  repeat DO NOT - refer to AC. They are about short sharp electrostatic pulses which create BEMF that is much higher in voltage than the original impulse. ( although Tesla goes further in creating a HV winding.) That is the term "Radiant energy" That is why I suggested that you were getting close. So the question is:  Can these pulses operate in a conventional transformer? I have seen at least 2 examples where TK seems to use ordinary transformers, in addition to his fancy output coils. However, he then has to shield the output as per electrostatic shielding. This is a common thread throughout his builds.
Maybe you can understand why I get P--- off at some of the crap posted in this thread.( Not by you, I hasten to add.)

This is from Tesla's latest Transmission Patent, Page 2 Lines 7 to 15. It clearly says that the primary "C" may be excited in any desired manner,
from a suitable source of currents "G", which may be an alternator or condenser. The important thing being that a resonant condition is established, ect.

Looks to me like he is saying the primary can be excited with AC from an Alternator, repeat AC from an alternator !

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd168/Toey1/TeslaPatentText.jpg)

Can you show an example of where he stipulates he uses what you say in the following sentence and nothing else ?
" They are about short sharp electrostatic pulses which create BEMF that is much higher in voltage than the original impulse."

Cheers



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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15974 on: February 12, 2013, 12:36:17 AM »
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from a suitable source of currents "G", which may be an alternator or condenser. The important thing being that a resonant condition is established, ect.


Look like a Rotary Condenser...
Eric speak a lot about them.
It's basically an overexcited synchronous machine, you can simulate any reactance both from inductive and capacitive at will...
It seems that Tesla want to supply some reactive current to create a resonance.