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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 13196106 times)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15915 on: February 09, 2013, 01:31:01 AM »
Brass thick is matter?
If McFreey's operational principle is correct, then yes.
Partial directional polarization of beta decay products and incomplete magnetic confinement of fast charged particles inside the brass disk, can be compensated for by a wider or more massive disk. 

In other words, it is much easier for fast charged particles to escape from a thin disk, than from a thick disk.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15916 on: February 09, 2013, 02:09:31 AM »


More on parametrics: One admitted theory to get FE is parametric variation of C or L in respect to Time as per E.Dollard said.
For example you need to switch periodically from a low L (charge) to a high L (discharge).
The energy is equal to E= 1/2*L*I^2 in coil, so the energy gain is E= 1/2*DeltaL*I^2 where DeltaL = Lhigh - Llow.


Mathematical example:
Charge a coil at 1 Henry at 1 amp = 0.5 Joule.
Switch to 10 Henry always at 1 amp and discharge = 5 Joules.
DeltaL is 10-1 = 9
So Egain is 1/2*9*1^2 = 4.5 Joules.


If the energy needed to change parameter is lower than the energy gain then you have OU !
The real question is how to change parameter with virtually no energy input (that's a question that I ask myself for nearly two years now.)
Saturating a trafo won't give a DeltaL =/= 0 because during charge and discharge the process is symmetric.
Hypothesis:
1) Shorting a coil during the charging process (Llow) (maybe waiting 5*L/R that the current stabilize and mutual induction "disappear" due no current variation anymore) then opening the short just before discharging (Lhigh) is a possibility.
I have watched Ufopolitics radiant circuits, unless a very unusual phenomena enter, I don't see how a coil who is charged and discharged without parametric variation (DeltaL = 0) can be OU, his radiant circuit are basically a buck-boost converter that you can find easily in the market.
2) A rotor with alternating magnetic and non magnetic part in a magnetic circuit (stator) will be also a good start as per Ide Osamu capacitance motor reveal.
3) Using mag-amp at condition the control winding doesn't dissipate too much power and no coupling between power and control winding.


So if all those device like TK, Don Smith use parametric you should be able to see coil shorting at the charging cycle and opening during discharge, by using spark, electronic control and so on.


SRM.

Well call me crazy, but if you charge a coil so that it stores 0.5 Joules, then change the inductance to 5 Henries there is still only 0.5 Joules for the coil to discharge.

If what you propose was true it should also be possible to do the reverse, charge the coil with 0.5 Joules then change the inductance to less and get less energy out,
but where would the energy that did not come out go ? Same with the increase of inductance to attempt to get more energy out where would the extra energy come from ?

It's kinda like saying if we charge a 50 liter compressor tank to 20 PSI then somehow change the tank to a bigger or smaller the energy in the compressed air would change.
Would it ? If the tank size was halved it would mean the pressure would be greater, but it would take energy to compress the air more as the tank was made smaller.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15917 on: February 09, 2013, 03:22:08 AM »
Excellent points Farmhand.

I will quote myself because it is relevant to your discussion:

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But just for fun here are two classic circuitry examples for you to ponder with respect to your model and how it fits in.

You have two ideal inductors of equal value.  Imagine one has one ampere of DC current circulating through it, and we put a ground reference on the left terminal of this coil.  Call it "coil1."  So the coil is in a closed loop with one amp of current flowing through it.  Initially the second coil is simply disconnected.  Then imagine then we add the second coil in series with the first coil, we "switch it in" to the single ideal coil circuit instantly.  So we have this:  Ground - coil1 - coil2 - back to ground.  Also, there is no magnetic coupling at all between the two coils.  In the real world on the bench you put the two coils at right angles to each other to have near-zero coupling.

What happens at the the moment the "switch in" happens?  The answer is that the current instantly drops to 0.7071 amp (for ideal coils).  And the potential measured at the connection point between the two coils goes infinitely high for an infinitely short amount of time.  Before and after the spike the voltage at the junction point is zero volts.

With non-ideal coils in a real-world circuit on the bench, the current will also nearly instantly drop to perhaps a little bit less than 0.7071 amp.  At the connection point between the two coils, the voltage will shoot up in a spike to hundreds or perhaps even thousands of volts.  The pulse width will be very narrow, and the higher the voltage spike, the narrower the pulse will be.
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15918 on: February 09, 2013, 04:40:25 AM »
Each such plate has the volume of 5000cm3. Now, the density of brass is 8.5g/cm3, thus 5000cm3 of brass has mass of 42.5kg.
42.5kg of brass costs $425 in Chicago. Two such plates will cost $850 + cutting/lathing costs - leftover scrap value.
Why not make a smaller one? An electric motor works just as well regardless of its size, a transformer works also just as well regardless of its size. But free energy may only appear above a certain physical size? Very odd.

I believe that in order for TK's system to work, it has to start out low and work its way up to full power.  He has to have a circuit controller inside of the 2004 can.  It can work something like a SMPS.  In a way..  For the receiving coil to stay in resonance, the circuit controller has to adjust the input frequency and the wave power.  It probbaly operates at very high frequency for that exact reason.  So that the much lower frequency that the recieving coil gets, could be equal to or around the Earths Resonant Frequency or the 44Hz that the Frequency counter showed
This is much too complicated to come across. My suspicion is that the effect of the Stepanov device (transformer in state of resonance) and also the Kapanadze effect (could both be the same principle anyway) were discovered by accident while connecting a power factor correction device the wrong way or by playing with a self-made one.

Off the top of my mind:
W1 - 50 turns of 18AWG wire (over the same core half as W2 and W3)
W2 - 15 turns of wire (over the same core half as W1 and W3)
W3 - Copper strip (0.5mm thick) 1 perpendicular turn around one-half of the core (insulated from the core, as wide as will fit snuggly)
W4 - 150 turns of bifilar winding (not over the same core half as W1/W2/W3)

HF: 300kHz - 2MHz (suspected dependency on DC-offset @ LF/W2), 10VP-P, 250mA sinewave or sawtooth waveform
LF: 45Hz - 55Hz 10VP-P, 250mA sinewave waveform, with adjustable DC-offset
HF to LF frequency ratio: Integer (most likely)
HF to LF phase relationship: Unknown (most likely fixed)
W1 to W3 phase relationship: Unknown (suspected 90 degrees)
C1: Capacitance adjusted to form LC resonance frequency with W3 equal to the HF frequency
C2: Unknown.
Load: Mostly resistive (150W incandescent light bulb)

Note: Alternatively HV short nanopulses can be applied at W3 (without C1) for kW power output at W4.

I would appreciate any corrections to the above...
And I would appreciate any ideas about the basic principle of the above, because it could be also the Kapanadze principle.

Let's see: The secondary coil is easy, it is a resonant circuit, bifilar wound. But how does the primary side work? The primary side consists of two coils and a copper strip. Essentially these two coils and the strip can do nothing else than magnetize the ferrite core (in a distinctive way). One coil is connected to a higher frequency (382KHz) and the other coil is connected to a lower frequency (50Hz). Now if the resonance frequency of the secondary coil would be half the higher frequency of the primary coil then this would be appropriate to excite a parametric resonance in that secondary coil.

If both frequency generators are not synchronized with each other (and I don't think so) then the frequencies are floating (see below). That means when both waves are positive or negative they add up, if one is positive and one is negative they cancel each other.

Therefore, what happens if the current of the summed waves saturates the ferrite core of the primary side? As long as the magnetic field is in the linear scope (determine by the 50Hz wave) the superimposed 382KHz wave can excite the secondary circuit. This secondary circuit resonates and its magnetic field tries to influence the primary magnetic field in reverse. That would be the behavior of a normal transformer. But since the primary core goes subsequently into saturation it cannot any longer be influenced, but nevertheless the resonant oscillation in the secondary coil still goes on. Hence the energy of this oscillation has no other way to go but to the load, as long as the saturation state of the input side continues. The transformer works unilateral during that interval. It is essential that the secondary coil can freely oscillate without damping due to a saturation of its core.

So the working cycle would be: Excite the secondary coil during the linear scope of the primary core, cut off the way back from secondary to primary by means of the saturation interval of the primary core. Do this with a frequency of 50Hz.

The main issue here seems to be that the energy needed to drive the primary core (abruptly) into saturation is less then the magnetic energy (oscillation) that gets trapped in the secondary core because it can't flow back to the primary core. Hmmm ...

Now what could be the meaning of the copper strip connected to a capacitor? It is simply a shorted winding. And a shorted winding generates additional current which generates an additional magnetic field which drives the primary core even deeper into saturation. The same should happen when a spark hits the copper strip.

Anyway I have still the problem how to do this with an ordinary E-core transformer with its core in one piece (like Kapanadze's one). If I short a coil of such a transformer (generates high current) then at best the whole core will go into saturation, not just the primary side. Hmmm ...

I have been testing this thing off and on today with all sorts of unusual results. The amplifier module is an off the shelf Mono audio amp rated at 40 W. First thing was that by replacing said module for an 18 W unit, there was no voltage gain. So I went back to the 40. You can see noise on the scope trace, I wonder if this is what is acounting for the double voltage output? Another unusual trait is that after a short time the voltage starts to drop back to something more expected. If you then change up the frequency range and come back you get the same bright bulb dimming back. It is as though the Ferrite needs a ping as I call it!
I would call it saturation what the ferrite needs.

Try to pulse-saturate the primary ferrite (not necessarily with a spark). Would be interesting what happens. ;D

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15919 on: February 09, 2013, 12:43:04 PM »
It's kinda like saying if we charge a 50 liter compressor tank to 20 PSI then somehow change the tank to a bigger or smaller the energy in the compressed air would change.
Would it ? If the tank size was halved it would mean the pressure would be greater, but it would take energy to compress the air more as the tank was made smaller.
That's logical thinking BUT...
Are you sure the same principles hold on a microscale as on macroscale?
The analogy between gas molecules and atomic spins, which are responsible for magnetic field in a ferromagnetic core, fails at the microscopic level.
When you increase the tank, the air inside does work on the expanding walls of the tank and the pressure and temperature of the air molecules decreases.  If you keep doing that, the air will eventually cool to absolute zero and the process stops.

However, you will not be able to stop the atomic spins by extracting energy from a ferromagnetic.  The spins will regenerate and persist perpetually.  That would be equivalent to air molecules never being able to cool down.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15920 on: February 09, 2013, 01:10:58 PM »
Why not make a smaller one?
Yes, a smaller device can be made, it just will not be an exact replication of Kapanadze's. e.g. see Meyer's rod device.
If McFreey's operational principle is correct, then smaller device will require stronger confining fields among other changes. Lorent'z forces, cyclotron radius, mean free path of beta decay products, frequency, skin effect, etc... all play a role in this.

An electric motor works just as well regardless of its size, a transformer works also just as well regardless of its size. But free energy may only appear above a certain physical size? Very odd.
It is not odd at all. A nuclear reactor will not work below a certain mass. A chemical explosive detonation does not happen below a critical mass and pressure. Particle accelerators need to be sufficiently large to accelerate particles to high velocities. Photons need to be above certain energy to ionize matter (1GHz will not ionize meat, while gamma photons - will).

Any time an operating principle involves random processes (e.g nuclear decay, molecular diffusion, Berkhausen effect, etc...) it is strongly affected by probabilities. These probabilities strongly depend on the mass and size on the medium in which the process takes place.  There is usually some break-even-point at which the probabilities are high enough so that the process does not die down spontaneously. In a nuclear bomb, the critical mass has an origin in this principle.

Transformers do not rely on any random effects for their operation, thus they are not affected by size very much (if magnitude of their power transfer is neglected).

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15921 on: February 09, 2013, 01:40:28 PM »
And I would appreciate any ideas about the basic principle of the above, because it could be also the Kapanadze principle.
Frankly, I don't know.
The 250mA output from the Velleman signal generators seems insufficient to saturate even the old Soviet ferrite.

There could be something unconventional happening in the core or in the copper strip itself... or both:
e.g. As described in the IEEE article by Konrad & Brudny, where an electric field of HV discharge affects the magnetic permeability (and inductance) of a piece of ferromagnetic core (appears to be another method to vary the inductance).

NOTE:
The Velleman signal generators used by the STAAAR team, had no synchronization inputs, thus they could not be synchronized in phase. Even if their frequencies were set to an integer multiple of each other, their phase difference would slowly drift over time.

Also, it is important to notice that the 1-turn copper strip winding is perpendicular to all the other windings (as viewed from the toroidal topology).  This orthogonality is uncommon in conventional transformer designs.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15922 on: February 09, 2013, 03:53:44 PM »
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Well call me crazy, but if you charge a coil so that it stores 0.5 Joules, then change the inductance to 5 Henries there is still only 0.5 Joules for the coil to discharge.If what you propose was true it should also be possible to do the reverse, charge the coil with 0.5 Joules then change the inductance to less and get less energy out,but where would the energy that did not come out go ? Same with the increase of inductance to attempt to get more energy out where would the extra energy come from ?It's kinda like saying if we charge a 50 liter compressor tank to 20 PSI then somehow change the tank to a bigger or smaller the energy in the compressed air would change.Would it ? If the tank size was halved it would mean the pressure would be greater, but it would take energy to compress the air more as the tank was made smaller.Cheers


If you charge a coil at 0.5 Joule then change L 10 times more while keeping I constant you have an amplification of the energy of 10.
The math speak themselves.
The reverse is also true, if you charge at 5 Joules and switch back L 10 times less you will have 10 times energy less.


It was suggested those speculative hypothesis (better than nothing).
Energy come from:
1) Come from ambient heat (cooling core).
2) Time (time distortion around the device).
3) Gravity (gravity distortion around the device).
or 4) Law of conservation is invalid, in both case, creation and destruction allowed (highly speculative).


For your tank analysis you are correct, it will require a certain amount of energy to reduce the volume of tank, the energy needed to compress air would be equal to the energy of the compressed air in halved tank (if I neglect losses due to compression).
But in the inductor example shorting a secondary with a Mosfet take virtually no energy, as verpies noticed to me, the main problem is the losses when you charge more than 0.60 Tau.


Maybe a BJT or a high frequency Mosfet would control the input current to charge the primary inductor and then stabilize it (dI/dT= 0) opening the short and discharge to load.
The process must be very precise and even computer/microchip controlled to minimize the losses.


The other possible way are varying permeability by mag-amp (how energy is needed to saturate the core ? and how much is returned to source ? )
or a rotor that alternate magnetic and non-magnetic part, profiting from the change in L and the magnetic attraction (negative torque), while of course discharging the coil completely before the magnetic material part in the rotor leave the magnetic circuit of the stator, thus avoiding the magnetic drag.


SRM.




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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15923 on: February 09, 2013, 04:03:30 PM »
If you charge a coil at 0.5 Joule then change L 10 times more while keeping I constant you have an amplification of the energy of 10. The math speak themselves.
That is true if increasing inductance (L) or keeping current (I) constant, does not cost any additional energy.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15924 on: February 09, 2013, 06:16:38 PM »
Try to pulse-saturate the primary ferrite (not necessarily with a spark). Would be interesting what happens. ;D

Regards

Many thanks for your reply. Do you have any ideas how I might practically implement your suggestion?

Further tinkering today saw with a 2.2 mFD cap across the open link between primary and secondary Ferrite rings. Still with 1 to 1 to 1 ratio. With 10 volts P/P in we saw 80 volts P/P at output. This only occured at around 30 kHZ I am assuming a resonant responce?

Would I be right in saying that the physical alignment of the Ferrite rings, ie, 90 deg shift does not matter? After all the flux is linked by the center winding.

Any observations welcomed, Cheers.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15925 on: February 09, 2013, 06:56:56 PM »
Me Again.

Just to satisfy curiosity I wound two 10 turn windings on one Ferrite ring. Applied frequency 25kHz, 10 V P/P in, 20 V P/P out????????

Verified with FWBR and Cap and standard DVM. What is going on? Where is this excess coming from?

I know this is really basic stuff for a lot of you guys, for that I apologise, but sometimes it's worth going back, to go forward!!

Cheers.


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« Reply #15926 on: February 09, 2013, 07:41:11 PM »
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Further tinkering today saw with a 2.2 mFD cap across the open link between primary and secondary Ferrite rings. Still with 1 to 1 to 1 ratio. With 10 volts P/P in we saw 80 volts P/P at output. This only occured at around 30 kHZ I am assuming a resonant responce?


A voltage is not energy...
You have a resonant rise, try to load that, resonance get killed and loading the input like any Xformer. (conventional theory)


But you can read Hector Perez stuff (Combine.pdf) who claims that OU can be achieved with resonance especially nonlinear resonance (ferroresonance).
Their method:
Pulse a Xformer in Square wave or AC with variable frequency, tune secondary until it goes ferroresonant, measure I and V and match I*V with bulbs, re-tuning it slightly.
According to them, you should observe a voltage droop of 10 % of the nominal bulb voltage, but the bulb have full nominal output. They said that bulb (or any resistive load) work in current node hence no energy reflection.
A version with pulsed caps or voltage clipping is also available.
Important video from Dan Combine:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd_3lCG1oiI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOEdFI1qXCU


Disclamer:
I haven't saw a (working) replication of that since many year, like unfortunately many FE device  :'(  , so I can't guarantee OU by that method...
This is not a claim of OU, but if you have the equipment (who is not my case) you can give it a try.
SRM.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15927 on: February 09, 2013, 08:40:02 PM »
Many thanks for your reply. Do you have any ideas how I might practically implement your suggestion?
There is no lack of (perhaps non-working) ideas: Two toroidal ferrite cores are attached to each other in an angle of 90 degrees, that's the core of the parametric transformer. Now make the primary core a Joule Thief and connect the coil of the secondary core parallel to a capacitor (and the load). Adjust the capacitor's capacitance of the secondary circuit to the frequency of the Joule Thief, maybe half the frequency to get parametric resonance. (And then see if it can power 5 pieces of 1KW bulbs ... ) ::)

According to Steven E. Jones a Joule Thief running with only one core can already create Over Unity. Then what could happen when there comes a second core into play that forms a parametric transformer with the first one? Hmmm ...

Interesting because a Joule Thief drives its core into saturation while oscillating. Thus once again there is the »saturation of a transformer core«. And each time a transformer core goes into saturation someone comes along and claims to have Over Unity of some kind. And it could easily be that the Steven Marks TPU is just a large (self-powering) Joule Thief as well.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15928 on: February 09, 2013, 09:12:22 PM »
Was very interested in the parametric transformer so I had a go at making one!
I'm not replying to this because your transformer does not appear to be a parametric transformer.  I base my assessment on your experimental results which show mutual induction even with low power levels - parametric transformers exhibit zero mutual inductance between the primary and secondary windings. 
This is not a matter of "loose coupling", there is a whole chapter that describes various methods of eliminating this mutual induction. See page 200 in chapter 4 of this document.

Two toroidal ferrite cores are attached to each other in an angle of 90 degrees, that's the core of the parametric transformer.
He is describing one of the proven methods to avoid mutual inductance.  Your joining of the two toroids by the shorted center winding, is completely different.  It makes the orthogonality of the cores irrelevant.


My transformer is a 1 to 1 to 1 ratio throughout but with 10 volts P/P I get nearly 24 V P/P out.
Your scope probe has an internal capacitance and the unloaded secondary winding forms an LC circuit with it, leading to a "resonant voltage raise".  I bet that if you load the secondary with a 1k resistor, then the increased voltage will disappear.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15929 on: February 09, 2013, 09:40:10 PM »
"A voltage is not energy...
You have a resonant rise, try to load that, resonance get killed and loading the input like any Xformer. (conventional theory)"

and what is the correct question ....hmm? Having the good question is like having half the answer

 

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