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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 13206399 times)

Offline Hoppy

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15900 on: February 08, 2013, 12:08:06 PM »
hi

i still not understand how this motor to motion, because is just rotor part, no stator, and how is supported power to rotor, i see just two disc, one disk is steel and brass is joined, beetween is permanent magnet ring/tube on shaft, and on magnet is coil what is joined two disk brass part, and on shaft end is toroid transformer/inductor, if I good know

This machine is very likely powered by belt(s) and pulley(s) that are concealed inside the two shaft bearing housings, with the belts turned by electric motor(s) mounted concealed underneath the base plate of the machine.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15901 on: February 08, 2013, 12:35:49 PM »
I still not understand how this motor to motion, because is just rotor part, no stator, and how is supported power to rotor, i see just two disc, one disk is steel and brass is joined, beetween is permanent magnet ring/tube on shaft, and on magnet is coil what is joined two disk brass part, and on shaft end is toroid transformer/inductor, if I good know
William McFreey provides a plausible explanation of the two disks spool device in this document.
According to his analysis, the movement of the disks is caused by nuclear recoil during stimulated unidirectional beta emission.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15902 on: February 08, 2013, 12:43:32 PM »
William McFreey provides a plausible explanation of the two disks spool device in this document.
According to his analysis, the movement of the disks is caused by nuclear recoil during stimulated unidirectional beta emission.

Hi

Did someone replicate this motor/generator (except Kapanadze)? What u think not was this Tesla car's engine? Thanks for information.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15902 on: February 08, 2013, 12:43:32 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15903 on: February 08, 2013, 12:46:53 PM »
This machine is very likely powered by belt(s) and pulley(s) that are concealed inside the two shaft bearing housings, with the belts turned by electric motor(s) mounted concealed underneath the base plate of the machine.
Unfortunately, that is possible, too.
Also, the disks can be rotated conventionally by the following methods:
- High current, ball-bearing motor (a.k.a.: Marinov motor). See video here.
- Mechanical propulsion along the perimeter of the disks by a small friction roller hidden in the white foam at the bottom of the aquarium.

Did someone replicate this motor/generator (except Kapanadze)?
The rotating one - no, AFAIK.  The 50cm disks alone would cost $800 at today's steel and brass prices.
The solid state ones - yes and some replicators have claimed success but did not make make credible O/I power measurements.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15904 on: February 08, 2013, 01:36:34 PM »
This machine is very likely powered by belt(s) and pulley(s) that are concealed inside the two shaft bearing housings, with the belts turned by electric motor(s) mounted concealed underneath the base plate of the machine.

Hi

Yes, is possible in his first video (what is recorded in his house), BUT what with what was recorded in workshop, where was rotated the 15-20KWatts power generator, the small electric motor was enough power spin both? (itself and the big pow. gen.) What u think?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15904 on: February 08, 2013, 01:36:34 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15905 on: February 08, 2013, 01:44:59 PM »
The rotating one - no, AFAIK.  The 50cm disks alone would cost $800 at today's steel and brass prices.
The solid state ones - yes and some replicators have claimed success but did not make make credible O/I power measurements.

Hi
AFAIK? Can u explian what is AFAIK? is fake?
Where is price 800USD this combined disk one or two pcs? which state?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15906 on: February 08, 2013, 02:19:26 PM »
AFAIK? Can u explian what is AFAIK? is fake?
Where is price 800USD this combined disk one or two pcs? which state?
AFAIK = As Far As I Know.

New brass costs ~$10/kg today in New Jersey and Chicago's metal shops and $12 in Frankfurt, Germany's shops. 
Online stores can be even more expensive, e.g. see here for an example of $24/kg for a 24x24x0.75inch brass plate.

Scrap prices are of course less than new stock brass prices, but the chances of finding a whole 50x50x2cm brass plate or a 50x2cm disk in a scrap/junk yard, are very low.
Brass shavings or small pieces are not a problem to find at a scrap yard for $8/kg, but not many people have the facility to purify and melt them at 1650ºF in order to cast a 50x2cm disk.

To obtain two brass disks like Mr. Kapanadze has used, an average Joe would need to buy two square brass plates 50x50x2cm from new stock and cut out two 50x2cm disks out of them.
Each such plate has the volume of 5000cm3. Now, the density of brass is 8.5g/cm3, thus 5000cm3 of brass has mass of 42.5kg.
42.5kg of brass costs $425 in Chicago. Two such plates will cost $850 + cutting/lathing costs - leftover scrap value.

...and I'm not even adding the cost of the steel disks.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2013, 05:55:35 PM by verpies »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15906 on: February 08, 2013, 02:19:26 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15907 on: February 08, 2013, 02:38:32 PM »
Unfortunately, that is possible, too.
Also, the disks can be rotated conventionally by the following methods:
- High current, ball-bearing motor (a.k.a.: Marinov motor). See video here.
- Mechanical propulsion along the perimeter of the disks by a small friction roller hidden in the white foam at the bottom of the aquarium.
The rotating one - no, AFAIK.  The 50cm disks alone would cost $800 at today's steel and brass prices.
The solid state ones - yes and some replicators have claimed success but did not make make credible O/I power measurements.

 It's possible and not done that way. Why can't we take it for granted that these are exactly as presented. I know how it is possible but was it done that way? No one can say yes to that. Why, because no one has reproduced it. So we can sit around discussing all the way to fake it and never actually prove that it was done that way. It's all Blah Blah Blah and never tried.
 
 I on the other hand will be a scientist and try to replicate it to the best of my ability. I think I have the guessing part down. Now lets actually do something besides looking at poorly made videos and actually do something.
 
 Verpies you are a great book guy but you lack any ability to actually do the experiments. And to tell you the truth I don't know how these guys could even listen to you based on how deceptive you are or shall we call you wasabi? Oh thats right he has add blocked me. Who cares what you got to say. It's all lies and deceptive, misleading and down right close minded misdirection.
 
 Did everyone like the misleading other idea that brought itsu and wattsup down the path of this doesn't work. It doesn't work Verpies way because it could never work that way and verpies knows this. This is a different kind of process then the traditional electronics or electromotive circuits.
 
 As for the disks comment now he throws out some insane price for metal to discourage trying the process.
 
 As I said before All of the TK machines are merely transformers of this source energy flow. The transformers are highly efficiently tuned to this rather old energy flow on the input. The output is only accomplished on the conversion of this energy flow. Knowing more about this kind of high voltage field could explain most processes that we have not figured out yet in our time. I think others have found out this process. I won't go through the list but it is long and extensive and includes almost all prominent names. The fluidic theory is a very old concept and if they could think that way before then a much older understanding could have been already experienced in the past many many times and even utilized.
 
 Magic is only magic because we don't understand the process. Once the process is open for reveiw it stops looking like magic and becomes rational and useful.

 Most of verpies replies are gonna be about the magnetic field and not the electric field TK is using. You won't find anything in the magnetic field because it is too balanced. The electric field is very different and does not have this balancing mechanism that magnetic fields characterize.

 Just watch this video and listen. Really listen to these people. Let them make their argument then decide.

 I was having some issues watching this video. If you have issues then please tell me. I think the video is very clear about these processes.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5BQZaYw90A

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15908 on: February 08, 2013, 05:36:57 PM »
Hi
AFAIK? Can u explian what is AFAIK? is fake?
Where is price 800USD this combined disk one or two pcs? which state?

AFAIK its AFAIK

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15910 on: February 08, 2013, 06:56:30 PM »
It seemed to work.
Also, I noticed that on this page Antanas has links to dozens of devices but not to the Yoke device.


http://www.freeenergylt.narod2.ru/lithuania_experiment/


I believe it's under the Lithuania Experiments link.
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15911 on: February 08, 2013, 08:22:26 PM »
AFAIK = As Far As I Know.

New brass costs ~$10/kg today in New Jersey and Chicago's metal shops and $12 in Frankfurt, Germany's shops. 
Online stores can be even more expensive, e.g. see here for an example of $24/kg for a 24x24x0.75inch brass plate.

Scrap prices are of course less than new stock brass prices, but the chances of finding a whole 50x50x2cm brass plate or a 50x2cm disk in a scrap/junk yard, are very low.
Brass shavings or small pieces are not a problem to find at a scrap yard for $8/kg, but not many people have the facility to purify and melt them at 1650ºF in order to cast a 50x2cm disk.

To obtain two brass disks like Mr. Kapanadze has used, an average Joe would need to buy two square brass plates 50x50x2cm from new stock and cut out two 50x2cm disks out of them.
Each such plate has the volume of 5000cm3. Now, the density of brass is 8.5g/cm3, thus 5000cm3 of brass has mass of 42.5kg.
42.5kg of brass costs $425 in Chicago. Two such plates will cost $850 + cutting/lathing costs - leftover scrap value.

...and I'm not even adding the cost of the steel disks.


Hi

Again me, I try ask price from one store who selling varios metal plates, how much is brass plate. Do u think need 2cm thick brass, I think is 2cm thick with steel (and brass), because shaft look maybe 30mm diameter, and disc looks thiner.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15912 on: February 08, 2013, 08:48:11 PM »
Again me, I try ask price from one store who selling varios metal plates, how much is brass plate. Do u think need 2cm thick brass, I think is 2cm thick with steel (and brass), because shaft look maybe 30mm diameter, and disc looks thiner.
Do a proportional video analysis. Do a screenshot and draw some boxes across the outer diameter of the disks and across the thicknesses of the disks, and divide/normalize to the known 500mm diameter to obtain the thickness by proportion.

If McFreey's is correct then it should not matter if the brass is only 12mm thick. If Hoppy is right - then the thickness matters even less.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15913 on: February 08, 2013, 09:48:24 PM »
And maybe that's the trick. Just another coincidence:

No matter what input wave type is, the resonant output is SINUS WAVE

Is that so? :D

The parametric transformer consists obviously of a two-part core like the two-part core of the yoke device. Now my problem is, where can I see a two-part transformer core on the Kapanadze device? Or could there be another way to do this with an ordinary off-the-shelf E-core transformer? (Will keep thinking ...)

If my understanding of this functional principle is correct then the intent of the divided core is to have a loose magnetic coupling between the primary coil and the secondary coil. But it does not really matter how this loose magnetic coupling is achieved (by having a gap between the two half cores or by rotating one half core 90 degrees with respect to the other). So the current supplied to the primary coil is just to excite the secondary coil, which then produces its current (or voltage) by itself from thin air (due to parametric excitation). Now someone try this and report a working OU device.

And furthermore, why is it that the toroidal shape of the yoke device reminds me on the toroidal shape of the Marks device? Don't say that's just another coincidence.

Hi All I am new to this forum but have been studying and trying to replicate for a number of years off and on. Was very interested in the parametric transformer so I had a go at making one! A picture is worth a thousand words a you tube much more!!! Please visit and see the result for yourselves.        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK3OiVfwmoQ

I have been testing this thing off and on today with all sorts of unusual results. The amplifier module is an off the shelf Mono audio amp rated at 40 W. First thing was that by replacing said module for an 18 W unit, there was no voltage gain. So I went back to the 40. You can see noise on the scope trace, I wonder if this is what is acounting for the double voltage output? Another unusual trait is that after a short time the voltage starts to drop back to something more expected. If you then change up the frequency range and come back you get the same bright bulb dimming back. It is as though the Ferrite needs a ping as I call it! I am testing at low voltage inputs at the moment because I can look at waveforms with the scope, but I do wonder whether it is the high voltage/frequency that energises the Ferrite into a short burst's of energy much higher than are inputted? My transformer is a 1 to 1 to 1 ratio throughout but with 10 volts P/P I get nearly 24 V P/P out. This value was also verified using a FWBR and cap to measure at DC level. Result 12 VDC!

I also noted that if a square wave is inputted you get a sort of Sinus out.

I hope you find my research of some use, all Grist to the mill I hope.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #15914 on: February 08, 2013, 10:11:53 PM »
Do a proportional video analysis. Do a screenshot and draw some boxes across the outer diameter of the disks and across the thicknesses of the disks, and divide/normalize to the known 500mm diameter to obtain the thickness by proportion.

If McFreey's is correct then it should not matter if the brass is only 12mm thick. If Hoppy is right - then the thickness matters even less.

brass thick is matter?

 

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