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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 16531540 times)

jbignes5

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16035 on: February 18, 2013, 03:39:46 AM »
 So no one is gonna build the special transformer then? You can simulate all you want with off the shelf parts but the secret is in the can/box/covered bases. That secret is that transformer that excites the heavy copper coil and creates a flow to the central ground which generates real current in the load coil between the two parts. What creates the 50 hertz is the spark gap. That 50 hertz is actually very complicated impulses with duty cycle breaks( sparks gap ).


 like I said I will be making the transformer so all can see this in operation. Try looking up the slayer exciter and the effects it has on everything in the field it provides, it runs on the same premise.


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16036 on: February 18, 2013, 04:00:00 AM »
Now at the end,when I remove the ac from the inverter
the light goes out very fast,notice in the TK video theres a long delay,before the lamp goes a very strange thing not consistent
with fakery.
But consistent with a solenoid switch that shuts off the resonant circuit with a delay (AC from inverter to rectifier and filter capacitor in the can).

The use of the inverter is completely illogical. Why should the generation of a lot of energy have the need for a small amount of continuous energy input? Imagine a campfire lit with a matchstick. As soon as the fire blazes the matchstick is removed. Now the fire goes out? Would be strange.

But if the inverter is just to have a reference frequency of 50Hz then it would be much simpler to use a small circuit (555 timer) instead of such a huge inverter box.

Of course if the inverter is needed to supply the fancy spark generator with energy independent of the energy generated by the resonant circuit then it would make slightly sense indeed.

So keep on looking for a resonator which can be started by a single input pulse (from a battery).

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16037 on: February 18, 2013, 06:38:25 AM »
...The use of the inverter is completely illogical. Why should the generation of a lot of energy have the need for a small amount of continuous energy input? Imagine a campfire lit with a matchstick. As soon as the fire blazes the matchstick is removed. Now the fire goes out? Would be strange.

 With all due respect that’s just a silly analogy that speaks nothing of how the device may operate. However dwell on this analogy.

Imagine a pilot actuated pneumatic device that has a 0 – 20 psi main signal and a 0 – 1 psi pilot signal. So when pilot signal is 1 psi it allows 20 psi to enter the pneumatic bladder and do work. You see when the pilot signal is removed there is a time delay before the 20 psi deflates the bladder. This is a little more realistic.

BTW - For those who know something about refrigeration. Do not we see the same thing when we shut a compressor off? The refrigeration effect is maintained until the system equalizes. Our time delay.

Step 1 should be to define all the states of matter and there 'state'  changes.


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« Reply #16038 on: February 18, 2013, 06:49:35 AM »
.......That secret is that transformer that excites the heavy copper coil and creates a flow to the central ground which generates real current in the load coil between the two parts.

 Bizarre is the only word that comes to mind when I read this. Not trying to insult you but you would be better served saying that there is a hamster in a squirrel cage in the green box.
 
The first and only question to ask is: Where do we tap the extra energy from? If it comes from the air then the air must be ‘pre-conditioned’ first as it is in a neutral state. No other questions should be asked until this one is satisfactorily answered.
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16039 on: February 18, 2013, 09:52:54 AM »
Bizarre is the only word that comes to mind when I read this.
Most of his posts are incoherent .  Try to see what happens when you attempt to have a rigorous and logical discussion with him.
I gave up a long time ago and started filtering out his posts with a browser plugin... but maybe you'll be more perseverant and successful than I.


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« Reply #16040 on: February 18, 2013, 10:36:09 AM »
With all due respect that’s just a silly analogy that speaks nothing of how the device may operate.
Most analogies are silly on purpose. The silliness comes from the intentional simplicity that is designed to illustrate something easily.

However, Zeitmachine's attempt to duplicate the behavior of TK's devices with off-the-shelf components should be applauded because it illustrates what is possible and what is not, empirically and conventionally.  Even if this method does not show how the device operates, it will show how it does not operate - and that is always something.

I think this approach is quite original as nobody has attempted it before.

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« Reply #16041 on: February 18, 2013, 12:35:39 PM »
Zeitmaschine
The 2004 video device and the green box video device were created
 to show that the device could be looped to rake in money.The transparent box video device
was looped,theres a funny noise connected to it,the main frequency is 400 hz,the spark
is white, a dc spark,
it varies a lot,however its much less than 30 sparks a second.In my opinion the spark does
 nothing on of TK's devices its only there to
gives the impression its a Tesla invention.In the transparent box video,theres a loud noise in
starting,it takes power to start,the 9 volt alkaline battery gets drained,this means lots of current.
The noise generated is too loud
 for an ordinary transformer laminations so must be a  home made component,a buzzard like device.
He may have advanced the device from a electromechanical device to a more electrical device over time.As a load is added,(lamps), the noise increases then after a while gets much less.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16042 on: February 18, 2013, 03:20:49 PM »
it takes power to start,the 9 volt alkaline battery gets drained,this means lots of current.
A brand-new 9V battery gives me around 1A when short-circuited. It is a matter of opinion if 1A (at almost zero volts) is considered as lots of current.

Imagine a pilot actuated pneumatic device that has a 0 – 20 psi main signal and a 0 – 1 psi pilot signal. So when pilot signal is 1 psi it allows 20 psi to enter the pneumatic bladder and do work.
This is called a control signal. A weak input controls a strong output (like B-E versus C-E of a transistor). This suggests that TK's inverter also sends just a control signal to the device (as set out above) but not energy actually needed to keep it running.

Even if this method does not show how the device operates, it will show how it does not operate - and that is always something.
Apropos »operate«. Observation #1: I would estimate the 50Hz transformer in the 2004 video rated at 100VA. Observation #2: This would be an overkill if this transformer operates just as an ordinary power supply for the spark gap and maybe a small electronic circuit with a few milliamps of consumption. Observation #3: 50Hz transformers are very common so there should be no need to use an over-sized one without reason. Conclusion: This transformer works as an induction coil and is therefore part of the energy generation circuit.

Nevertheless it seems something in the device needs approx. 100W of power because the ammeter shows 0.5A at 220V (video 17:54). Unless of course this is reactive power just circulating between the device and the inverter.

Now maybe someone should try to replicate The Self-Exciting Joule Thief so there is one more alternative to show how the device does not operate. ::)

jbignes5

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« Reply #16043 on: February 18, 2013, 03:51:16 PM »
Bizarre is the only word that comes to mind when I read this. Not trying to insult you but you would be better served saying that there is a hamster in a squirrel cage in the green box.
 
The first and only question to ask is: Where do we tap the extra energy from? If it comes from the air then the air must be ‘pre-conditioned’ first as it is in a neutral state. No other questions should be asked until this one is satisfactorily answered.
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 What is really bizarre is Verpies pretending to be another user.


 What better serves everyone is knowing where TK'S got his ideas. Do you know?


 On more then one occasion TK'S references Tesla and his experiments. Knowing that, I went back to Tesla and looked for something similar to ALL of TK's experiements, not just one. The one wire system Tesla experimented with is that similarity.


It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. But it does take some investigation skills to recognize the similarities between the TK'S experiments and then be able to pour through all of Tesla's work to find the match. Since I had already had extensive time into researching Tesla's work it wasn't that hard to find the match.


 Here is one proof. In the warehouse Motor generator you see the engineer not being able to measure the voltage or current of the box wires running the disk motor. This is because only one wire is used at a time which his meter will not read when measure in the two wire method. I haven't figured out all of it but until we make the transformer/oscillator we might as well be guessing and postulating. Like the great Verpies and now you only see part of the process then determine there is nothing to it. Well you are right if you don't use the entire setup. The Secret is The new oscillator that was so powerful that it shook NY city and caused the police to show up at Tesla's lab. The new very powerful oscillator was shown by Tesla to be unique in the sense of traditional power systems. It was static like in it's emissions and flowed outside of conductors. When the conductors outside of the main system were exposed to the field of this new oscillator they were set ablaze in white fire like streamers. Metals instantly flashed and exploded if they were thin enough(foils). Thicker metals melted but when he put his head into the emitter coil it did nothing to him.


 Frankly I couldn't care what Verpies says. If you do then ask him why he felt he had to deceive all of us here to argue his point. Ask him why he had to make another account in the name of wasabi to belittle another user on this forum instead of doing the experiments that TK did? And more importantly why he feels he had to do anything in this thread. If he believes TK has nothing then why is he still here posting?


Verpies has another agenda and it is to keep the boys and girls here in line with traditional teachings. I'm not saying the traditional teachings are wrong in the context from where they were devised. These processes that we are looking at here go beyond the scope of traditional magnetics and into the realm of the static like voltage discharges that these systems take advantage of.

 Another very interesting person of interest is UfoPolitics who has taken up the mantle of asymmetric electrodynamic machines. He has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Tesla's ideas are very true. He is proving what the current establishment doesn't want us to know because if we did then we wouldn't need them for our power or motivator. They have driven us down a road of great inefficiency to keep the shift of money into their pockets.

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« Reply #16044 on: February 18, 2013, 09:26:23 PM »
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What better serves everyone is knowing where .. got his ideas. Do you know?

There was 4 scientists
Russian one
old one
There is a documented contact record.
one day
They have been not around anymore.
That's all.
read my previous posts.


Info is legitimate.
intel.

Can not say more.
Do not ask me for specifics.




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« Reply #16045 on: February 18, 2013, 09:42:55 PM »
So no one is gonna build the special transformer then? You can simulate all you want with off the shelf parts but the secret is in the can/box/covered bases. That secret is that transformer that excites the heavy copper coil and creates a flow to the central ground which generates real current in the load coil between the two parts. What creates the 50 hertz is the spark gap. That 50 hertz is actually very complicated impulses with duty cycle breaks( sparks gap ).


 like I said I will be making the transformer so all can see this in operation. Try looking up the slayer exciter and the effects it has on everything in the field it provides, it runs on the same premise.

That's an awfully big gauntlet you have thrown!! I am realy intrigued, followed your link and read the entire text. Couple of questions, the secondary coils are heavily insulated, for obvious reason, and equate to 3mm dia.
What size of copper is suggested? As we have far superior insulation available today. The cheeks for the coil former could now be Nylon sheet. And Nylon fixtures are readily available.

It's the primary winding that has got me foxed, Quoting "The primary P P is wound in two parts, and oppositely, upon a wooden spool W," Is this calling for a bifilar style? Quoting "Each half of the primary has four layers, 24 turns in each, this giving a total of 96 turns." What size wire? Wound in two parts and oppositely??? Opposite to what? Secondary? Give me some clues and I will endeavour to build this.

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« Reply #16046 on: February 18, 2013, 09:50:01 PM »
Can not say more.
Do not ask me for specifics.

Open new account and say it in secrecy. 8)

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« Reply #16047 on: February 18, 2013, 10:51:44 PM »
That's an awfully big gauntlet you have thrown!! I am realy intrigued, followed your link and read the entire text. Couple of questions, the secondary coils are heavily insulated, for obvious reason, and equate to 3mm dia.
What size of copper is suggested? As we have far superior insulation available today. The cheeks for the coil former could now be Nylon sheet. And Nylon fixtures are readily available.

It's the primary winding that has got me foxed, Quoting "The primary P P is wound in two parts, and oppositely, upon a wooden spool W," Is this calling for a bifilar style? Quoting "Each half of the primary has four layers, 24 turns in each, this giving a total of 96 turns." What size wire? Wound in two parts and oppositely??? Opposite to what? Secondary? Give me some clues and I will endeavour to build this.


 I know it is a very big challenge, it was meant to be for a very specific person. Don't worry he won't even try.


 As for your questions lets try to answer them. The ratio of wire sizes doesn't really matter as long as the primary is heavy gauge. Although I think I am in error with that statement. Tesla was working with resonance in both the primary and secondary. The resonance is also in balanced weight between the primary and secondary. The primary needs to take a pounding from the spark gap so it must be heavy gauge solid core. If we start out with let's say 16-20 gauge it should be sufficient. The secondaries should be anything above that, Like 26-30 gauge. I know tesla talked about a certain ratio but for right now we should just try to get it roughly in  the realm of a boost transformer. You want the voltage to max out and literally have no current. For right now lets try what I suggest.

 The primary is actually in a bucking mode. This is to create a spring like effect that rebounds the spark with an acceleration. I'm pretty sure the spark will go both ways across the gap and rebound to the capacitor again unless you use the magnetic quenched gap then it becomes one way. <- This is a guess because I have not started my build yet. I'm still a few moths away from getting my new lab space so it will be a while before I can reproduce the device. I will be trying a smaller version in the mean time and will keep you guys posted on my results.


 Everything after the secondary should be statically shielded. Tesla used the best rubber coating he could find and it still wasn't enough to completely keep the corona from appearing. Tesla has a patent for a coax like shielding but it is segmented and insulated between each segment. The shielding needs to be made according to the frequency of the secondary output. With length=frequency to be able to contain the energy in between the shielding and wire without it leaking out.


 This is the link for the build:
http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1892-02-03.htm

Start at figure 3 and go from there. There is a very good explanation of the device in the text after figure 3. Everything from there on is about that specific transformer/oscillator. Unfortunately we should stick to the spark gap method till we understand this process better then we can figure out better methods to create the impulse into the primary.

 In order for you to tell if it is working good is to do the elements in the air test and see if you get the same electric field effect that Tesla observed. It will be plainly clear if it is correct since it will glow and look very very smooth in the effect between each element.


 I hope this helps with your questions. Just ask if I was not clear and I'll try again.

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« Reply #16048 on: February 19, 2013, 12:39:41 AM »
Give me some clues and I will endeavour to build this.
I remember reading somewhere that this transformer has copper disks inside it, but I don't see them marked on that diagram (Fig.3)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #16049 on: February 19, 2013, 02:00:59 AM »
That's an awfully big gauntlet you have thrown!! I am realy intrigued, followed your link and read the entire text. Couple of questions, the secondary coils are heavily insulated, for obvious reason, and equate to 3mm dia.
What size of copper is suggested? As we have far superior insulation available today. The cheeks for the coil former could now be Nylon sheet. And Nylon fixtures are readily available.

It's the primary winding that has got me foxed, Quoting "The primary P P is wound in two parts, and oppositely, upon a wooden spool W," Is this calling for a bifilar style? Quoting "Each half of the primary has four layers, 24 turns in each, this giving a total of 96 turns." What size wire? Wound in two parts and oppositely??? Opposite to what? Secondary? Give me some clues and I will endeavour to build this.

To hell with clues, spend some time doing research and just better yourself. It took me all of 5 minutes to find a build manual on Google books. Whats your excuse? Now, go get yourself a cup of hot coco and sharpen your tools. I present to you a gift and I expect to see a finished product within the next month or so. You have only yourself to blame if you don't build this because this is a Step-by-Step guide.

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