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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #585 on: May 16, 2021, 01:09:20 PM »
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https://dokumen.tips/documents/a-high-frequency-titration-apparatus.html
Well, again, those who were before me stole my best ideas ... :)

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« Reply #586 on: May 16, 2021, 04:42:56 PM »
Well, again, those who were before me stole my best ideas ... :)


So I guess my answers to your questions was of no use to you, huh? Don't ask anymore questions if that's the case!


Just a man who knows how the tech works,
Edward

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #587 on: May 16, 2021, 07:03:58 PM »
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So I guess my answers to your questions was of no use to you,
I did not say that.

Today there is one more experiment. Close radio frequencies were fed from the outputs of the transmitters. One fixed, 36 MHz. The second is smoothly tunable. on the three electrodes in a cell
with clean water. In order to create oscillations of the difference frequency in the cell itself.
Nothing happened. Only a few small bubbles of gas were released.
The miracle did not happen. :-\

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #588 on: May 17, 2021, 02:44:50 PM »
See what I thought.
 If you apply the same voltage of one frequency and one phase to two electrodes.
Edward also mentioned the PLL system here. Then this high frequency should not heat the water.
At the same time, the entire cell will be affected by this RF voltage.And will try to play with the third mass electrode. In various position.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #589 on: May 17, 2021, 04:31:47 PM »
This is the correct way to wire up the Voltage Intensifier Circuit transformer. Note the polarity of the primary coil as when a pulsing transformer is fed power the polarity reverses on the secondary side, thus when back engineering this technology to make this work correctly the primary is wired in reverse of the secondary to get the correct polarity on the resonant cavity as shown.


Folks need to understand that you can't do this your own way, you can't run around making up the rules as you go along, all you can do is move to understand the science behind this technology as once that is understood you will know what can and can not be changed. As I stated many times this technology is not simple even though it does appear to be simple at first glance as there are so many rules that must be followed to the letter in order to get the technology up and working correctly. You have to learn how to make proper soldering connections for high voltage, fully understand how transformers work, and the list goes on and on, plus you must learn things that aren't yet in the science books.


Right now the only thing preventing me from bringing this technology out right now is I simply do not have the needed machines to move forwards yet. Once I have those machines I can move to put this technology into the marketplace. I feel my days of teaching this technology are over as I must be the change I wish to see in this world and I see no one at this level of understanding to be close enough to bringing this technology out other than myself right now. If I could just get the support of the people things would move along much faster if not then I must keep moving along at my own pace and the world will have to wait. Meanwhile the window to do something to turn the tide on climate change keeps getting smaller.


Peace everyone,
Edward

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #590 on: May 17, 2021, 06:28:14 PM »
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Folks need to understand that you can't do this your own way, you can't run around making up the rules as you go along,
What can I do, right now I can’t have anything but my own brains. The person who promised me to talk to our bourgeois did not do it today. There is no one to count on, no one to rely on in this country.
Except for himself, of course. :) In your country may have drawbacks,i don't know but everything is knew in comparison. I would love to change. :D

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #592 on: May 18, 2021, 03:22:07 AM »
IancaIV,


Why would you post that on my thread? It's mostly all wrong from people whom just took people's money and ran off with it. Peter Linderman is describing a lightening strike where the dielectric material is overcome resulting in a discharge which brings the voltage potential difference to zero. He has no idea how this technology works right to this very day. I spoke to him about this discrepancy and for the most part he told me not to worry about it. I also ask him why he wasn't going to build this device even if just for himself and he just told me he had no desire to do so because of the cost involved. Yes, I actually spoke with him.


Aaron and I? lets just say I truly no longer wish to go there in talking about what happened between us as it was all bad. Parts of his circuit is okay but back then none of us really understood this technology and at the time I was the only one of us making use of the scientific method. Now after all I have taught anyone that is truly listening to me when you look at Aaron's waveform you know he is pushing current through the water bath as the scope shot tells us he is doing so for there are only positive pulses being sent to the exciter array. This is something you all should have been able to point out for yourselves to me, yes? Well, you would be able to do so if you were actually reading and listening to what it is I have been saying.
Back then we were all new at this and something to note, Aaron's advice to Ravi about putting a coating on the metal stopped Ravi's cell from working. Now I just talked about why that was as putting a coating on the tubes adds in yet another dielectric to the mix and we don't want that.


In that pdf file they even stole some of the things I was doing which turned out to be wrong and never gave me credit for the things I did even if I was wrong at the time as that 45° angle wrapping was done by me as I was trying to learn just what bifilar wrap actually was and the only example I could find at the time was with this tape. And I just so happen to have a witness isn't that right Jerry Volland?


I even spoke with Bob Boyce and we both concluded that what he was doing was something different from what Meyer had done and yes he agreed with me. You see I am not new to this for as I stated I started in on this technology way back in March of 2006. But I knew the scientific method was going the long way around but I also knew that it produced results so I made use of that tool. And again of all those people spoken about in the pdf file I am the last one left standing that is still actively working on this technology.


I've even made friends with Dave Lawton, and I actually spoke with Dr. Dingle before he passed away. You see I would actively reach out to anyone that was working on the technology at the time so that we could hopefully compare notes with one another. I worked with Max Miller and offered to work with Zero Fossil fuels but he declined. I even tried to work with Russ but that turned out to be impossible. No one was willing to make use of the scientific method and a lot of people just would lump in a lot of different unknows to try and explain the things we didn't yet understand about this water for fuel technology. Back then I was very willing to share my information with people but through the school of hard knocks I learned to stop doing that. When I speak of this technology now it's from a perspective most simply do not have as none made use of the scientific method but me back in the day and as I already knew that method does get results, though it does take a long time.


Those were the days when we made a lot of mistakes but I'd push on making use of the scientific method even when most told me that science can't solve this technology thus I should give up trying to make use of that tool on this technology. Back then we didn't even know that we needed to use a differential probe to be able to take readings of the cell in action thus grounding the thing out in our ignorance, lol. Now I finally have the science I was seeking back then and just need the funds to see this through as this technology isn't free. It kinda feels strange being the last man standing still working on this technology but once I started getting the results folks deemed impossible it struck a fire in my efforts to finish what I had started. I can't tell you how many people told me that you can't put high voltage directly to a water bath as that was physically impossible, but oh how they went silent when I actually did just that. It's been more than 15 years since I started on this technology and only now am I ready to put it on the market where it can aid humanity in turning the tide on our climate change problems.


Take care everyone,
Edward
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #593 on: May 18, 2021, 10:51:37 PM »
Going over that old pdf file was a serious trip down memory lane. We were all so young and truly driven to solve this technology as quickly as possible. We made a lot of mistakes, me included, and most importantly some of us learned from those mistakes. I find it truly amazing to look back and see just how far I have come with my understanding of this technology since then. It was in 2012 when I first started putting true high voltage to the exciter arrays and I went on to show the world in 2013 when John Fraser gave me that interview at the 2013 Global Breakthrough Energy Movement held in Boulder, Colorado. I give all the credit to the creator of all things as I believe it was he that put it in my heart to stick to the use of the scientific method when everyone around me were telling me that science couldn't solve this technology.


In this time I have put high voltage to a water bath, clarified just how the waveform should look and why, and came up with a brand new theory for the science books that explains this technology in broad terms that go way beyond this technology. I had to learn practically everything there is to know about transformers, understand photosynthesis through and through to be able to see just what the scientific community missed, and I had to fully understand how thunderstorms work when most of the information about them found on the net was either wrong or incomplete. I can still remember the dreams I had that lead me to study photosynthesis a bit closer than what could be found on the net. I remember the many hours spent doing hands on research just observing and then moving to interpret the results so I could try and make some predictions and set up things for the next rounds of testing. I have built so many VIC transformers and wired them up in every conceivable way, tested out all kinds of ultra fast high voltage diodes, and played with different mediums to put the transformer in such as transformer specific oil and eventually transformer specific resin.


The cost of building things and getting things built has practically left me in the poor house as some of the middle men got really greedy on me and one even took me to a rigged court where I lost a clear case of breach of contract by the middle man whom upped the prices drastically when I came to pick up the items which was highway robbery in my book. In all of this I learned the hard way why most companies like Tesla move to do things in-house as greed and corruption seem to run hand & hand like buddies or very close friends. It's hard to even calculate the amount of money I've spent to learn how this technology actually worked scientifically. I had to buy a lot of machines and still need to buy some more so that I can finish what I started so long ago. This year marks fifteen years since I have been working on this technology so I can say with all truth Meyer was correct in that it would take many years to get this technology into the marketplace as you will run into so much resistance as remember  have been banned from practically all the Open Source forums found on the internet primarily because I would not drop my use of the scientific method and the results I was getting from actual hands on experimenting which took me in a completely different direction than most of those forums were heading in. I stood my ground and got banned as a result of doing so, but even after all that I never compromised one bit and kept singing the same song.


Shalom,
Edward




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« Reply #594 on: May 19, 2021, 10:58:14 AM »
In the version where a car generator is used to power the WFC,
Is the rotor winding DC powered?
Because somewhere I saw that to applyed sound freequency modulation to the armature winding.
Or I'm wrong ? But the armature coil is not designed to operate on alternating current.
Even the iron is not laminated there.

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« Reply #595 on: May 19, 2021, 05:14:20 PM »
From memory Meyer had a speed controller for the drive motor that kept the rotation at the proper frequency for resonance with the outer tubes. In this version the rotation speed was the gating frequency. The RLC resonance was done with a circuit and yes he sent DC to the armature as far as I know. No one was able to really inspect the device as his friend just traded it in for a core charge when getting a new alternator. But when going back to study this technology it's best to start with the 8xa circuit https://overunity.com/8379/stan-meyer-water-fuel-cell-replication/ As this is where a lot of us went to gain a better understanding of the technology.


Again no one truly knows all that much about the Alternator as it was put in for a core charge before most of us ever thought about trying to figure out this technology.


After many test with the 8xa circuit I was ready to move back to the Voltage Intensifier Circuit which had stumped most of us during those times. If done correctly the 8xa circuit will put out a really strange looking AC waveform that looks like it got elevated above the zero line by some voltage moving the natural zero line of the curve up some. Once I got the waveform to look correctly I moved back to the VIC circuit. Just note that there are some stolen drawings on line that I made that have the rectifier put on backwards. The people stole them and pawned them off as their own before I could correct the mistakes I made in drawing them.




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« Reply #596 on: May 20, 2021, 07:53:08 AM »
74LS90 the microcircuit divides the input frequency tenfold.
What is our thyristor switching frequency, at maximum division, 1 Hz? :o
And on the switch, at the bottom it says for some reason the division step two?
Well, I'll do it today, anyway.  :)

p.s. Here, I found it.This is about the previous question.
Outlined in red, is this not a dynamo?

p.s. Are these factory bifilar chokes suitable for your design 8XA ?
Or should I make my own?
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #597 on: May 20, 2021, 02:38:26 PM »
coils: vector potential oscillator 
cell: scalar potential oscillator 
quantum mechanics, because these potential account for action-at-distance, see A-B effect.radiant energy is for distraction. 
who will win the race :)

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #598 on: May 20, 2021, 06:45:51 PM »
74LS90 the microcircuit divides the input frequency tenfold.
What is our thyristor switching frequency, at maximum division, 1 Hz? :o
And on the switch, at the bottom it says for some reason the division step two?
Well, I'll do it today, anyway.  :)

p.s. Here, I found it.This is about the previous question.
Outlined in red, is this not a dynamo?

p.s. Are these factory bifilar chokes suitable for your design 8XA ?
Or should I make my own?


I did write a long paragraph but it got deleted some how. This is the circuit I used, just note I made some changes and drew the rectifiers backwards. MOT stands for microwave over transformer. This was the circuit I posted so that others could also do what I was doing but to the best of my knowledge no one followed me back then. But it did provide a opportunity to those whom wanted to just steal people's work to try and make a buck from it as Danial Donatelli has this drawing I made on his website complete with all the errors I made, lol. He didn't know what a MOT was either, lol. But anyway this was the first time I started to put true high voltage directly to the water bath and it opened up a whole new line of learning as now I had to learn the rules for dealing with high voltage. I was no longer at the beginner's stage dealing with low voltages and since no one followed what it was I was doing I remained the only one putting high voltage to the water capacitor. Do note the waveform in that drawing that seems to be elevated above the zero line as that is exactly what my waveform looked like before I moved back to using the VIC.


You see I kept things close to what Meyer did as the way I saw it it bettered my chances of figuring out just what it was he did. That drawing with the "Red" in it is a far departure from what Meyer did and I really can't tell you anything about it as I didn't go that route and thus have no experience dealing with that setup. But I too went off from what Meyer did as shown here, but know it didn't work out all that well: https://overunity.com/9856/relative-permittivity-of-water/135/ Now again I drew this up and made and tested it and it didn't work out as planned.


One thing is for certain you must do is you will have to get a differential probe as if you hook up some grounded probe leads to a 8xa/9xa circuit it will trip the house circuit breaker. Sorry to tell you this as I know you wish to get around that but it seems that it is a must have tool for dealing with this technology. But as I stated now I had to learn all the rules for dealing with high voltages as I had passed the beginner stage. I also found out that it works best if the chokes share the same magnetic field of the MOT which was good to know as it gave me a better understanding of the VIC circuit transformer. But the wire used for this should be 18-16 gauge as I used 22 gauge I think and it kept burning out on me for as you can see in this video I had to use a fan to keep the chokes from burning up: [size=78%]https://youtu.be/fqVIJOa6NsU[/size].


The only reason why I went back to some of Meyer's older stuff was the guy who knew Meyer traded the alternator version as a core charge for a new alternator before anyone could get a look inside to see just what Meyer did to the alternator, thus no one truly knows how the alternator setup was truly done. All that you see on the net about Meyer's alternator version is someone's interpretation of what they think Meyer did nothing more and I feel they got it wrong. This left us with the 8xa/9xb circuit to work with to try and understand what Meyer had done as well as his Voltage Intensifier Circuit which at the time had us all stumped. You see in dealing with the 8xa/9xa circuit I learned I had to make use of a differential probe for each and every time I tried to take some readings of the cell using my ground probe leads it would trip the house's circuit breaker. Due to the transformer isolation this didn't happen with the VIC circuit but what we didn't know at the time was each time we'd hook up our grounded probe leads to the VIC circuit it would take away the negative voltage. Now having learned that I needed to use a differential probe on the 8xa/9xb circuit I knew I was grounding out the VIC circuit and thus switched back to using that circuit once I had figure that out making use of this differential probe I had gotten so that I could see what the 8xa/9xb circuit was doing at the cell. The one I had turned out to not have a high enough voltage rating so I had to get another one, and later on as I improved things getting even higher voltages to the cell I had to get yet another differential probe that was rated to read the newer voltages I was getting to the cell. My hope in telling you all this is you will see why you must get a differential probe as it is a must have tool for dealing with this technology. None of us knew we were grounding the Voltage Intensifier Circuit out with our grounded probe leads at the time. I don't think I shared this information with anyone before as I just told people they needed to get a differential probe without explaining why they needed to get one and it seems most chose to not get one because of that. For me it's like making a mistake in your writing and you have to read it backwards to find the mistakes you made so perhaps now that I explained why I had to get a differential probe folks will learn from me this time around.


This is me going through my memories in reverse and seeing that I never explained to anyone why I had to get a differential probe. I guess I have a lot of stuff in my head that I haven't explained to anyone before but that's life as I did everything by way of hands on experimentation and some of what I learned and/or observed never made it on paper as someone would have to have mirrored what I was doing to see and learn the things I know now and trust me I gave many a chance to do so, but practically every offer was rejected to work together for the greater good and/or just to be able see how this technology actually worked scientifically. I was forced to go it alone for the most part with a little help from a few friends I ran into along the way.


Take care all,
Edward
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #599 on: May 21, 2021, 08:24:34 AM »
Hello Everyone,


Now that I shared why I had to use a differential probe perhaps you all will stop listening to fools whom tell you you don't need to get one. Again with the 8xa/9xb circuit each and every time I'd hook up the probe leads that had a path to ground it would trip the circuit breaker in my house. I asked my friend Gunther how was I supposed to tune this thing if I couldn't see what it was I was doing? He replied to me that I needed to get a differential probe which I had no idea at the time what it was, but I trusted him and ordered one from ebay. Once it came in I was finally able to see just what it was I was doing at the cell and tune the waveform to resonance. For those thinking you can hear resonance trust me you can not as that is something you have to see on the oscilloscope.


When I switched back to making using the VIC I know had a tool that was designed to let me see just what was going on and I saw the waveform produce a negative voltage for the very first time. I went back and re-read all of the material Meyer had put out and noted that in a lot of Meyer's drawing he didn't show a negative voltage but if you read that part in the reading section he did talk about the negative part. But I still had to learn how to correctly wire up the Voltage Intensifier circuit so I looked over what Don Gable had put out and decided he must have made a mistake and went to wiring up the VIC in every conceivable way I could think of. When I figure out how to wire it up the correct way I also noted it put a lot of electrical stress on the transformer and they began to short out on me after a short time of use. One shorted out on me in just a few seconds after I got it wound up. This is when I really started paying attention to the transformer observing everything while turning up the voltage very slowly with the lights off so I could see if a corona was building up on the wires and just as I predicted there was a corona around the wires of the transformer. When I kept turning up the voltage observed the corona got brighter and would then send a small arc to the transformer's core which in return would send back a really large voltage arc to the transformer. One solution I tried was to make use of some transformer oil which did extend the transformer life a lot but in time the ringing noise it was making would end up shorting out the transformer as the noise was coming from the wires as they moved back and forth to produce the sound I was hearing. This would eventually rub off the wires protective coating and just as science tells us the current will always follow the path of least resistance and as such would jump across the wires to get to ground as it did not like going through the resistance wire one bit so it would take a short cut. After one of my transformers failed I carefully opened it back up and inspected it to see just what went wrong and the wires looked like some beautiful metal flaked paint as it was like a lightening storm inside of the transformer. I'd also observe it in the dark and could see the blue color of arcing taking place within the transformer.
Then it hit me. Why don't we have any turn counts of the transformer Meyer designed to work with the injectors? And the answer to that question was that transformer was vacuum resin sealed so I went out and got me some, along with a vacuum pump, and I made my own vacuum chamber. The first transformer I made like this ended up in complete failure and I had to make another one which story I have already shared with everyone. Once I built the transformers this way they would last and not short out on me like all of my previous transformers did so the problem was solved and I was free to keep improving them to get even higher voltages being applied to the water fuel cell.


Now I will ask each of you to not make the 8xa/9xb circuit as if you do you will still need to get a differential probe so instead save your money to get the probe instead of wasting it buying all the stuff you need to build a 8xa/9xb circuit. But if you choose to do so I can't stop you so go right ahead if you feel the need to build one and just so you know this guy beat my gas produce rate: [size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mpx45ijtFS0&ab_channel=SpaceManAustSpaceManAust[/size] [size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5ADiODLhfA&ab_channel=SpaceManAustSpaceManAust[/size][size=78%]. [/size]Note I did contact him and built my plate cell based on his design and got the same gas production he did and note the both of us had a really small plate spacing and use bars as our plates were on the thick side as compared to everyone else's. But again this is not the way Meyer ended up using to run his dune buggy as that would be using the Voltage Intensifier Circuit.


I've learned to question everything and truly listen to my experimental results. This is why I could not be moved by people just talking to hear themselves talk as I was actually performing the work hands on and observing my results first hand just as the scientific method would have me to do. Now I have to save up to get a few more machines I need and the rest should be history.


Shalom,
Edward

 

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