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Author Topic: Stanley Meyer Explained  (Read 362168 times)

Offline kolbacict

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #630 on: July 03, 2021, 09:26:01 AM »
One more thought.  :)
Conductivity in the electrolyte is result by the movement of ions in an electric field.
The ion velocity is low. If we move (move away) the second electrode faster than the ion moves towards it. As a result, he will never get on it. There will be an electric field, but there will be no electric current. Am I talking nonsense?

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #631 on: July 03, 2021, 12:33:07 PM »
Edward,you should contact Moses West and join forces: 
(extracting drinking water from the atmosphere efficiently) 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxQE_rQYWuM 
He transformed it into a product and it is being sold, maybe he  can help you shape a product.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #632 on: July 03, 2021, 01:07:02 PM »
Edward,you should contact Moses West and join forces: 
(extracting drinking water from the atmosphere efficiently) 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxQE_rQYWuM 
He transformed it into a product and it is being sold, maybe he  can help you shape a product.


https://awgcontractingus.com/


https://awgcontractingus.com/product/awg550/
kWh: 0.60 kWh/gallon (0.18 kWh/l)  reference for  ?°C and ?% humidity


the ?-answer we see here : 
https://awgcontractingus.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/AWG-550-Gen-3-Spec-Sheet.pdf


the 180 Wh/lt by 30°C and 80% RH



Attention : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyPBIzJQB_o


solution  :  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYfVKIX7BXM


https://solarimpulse.com/efficient-solutions/high-efficiency-atmospheric-water-generators#


The energy consumption varies between 30 and 100 W. It is 50 W at 25°C and 70% humidity per litre, a considerable difference from the usual standards.




https://www.canadiangeographic.ca/article/canadian-innovation-pulls-drinking-water-out-thin-air


 Boudreault’s technology uses only 0.01 kWh of solar energy (about 15 per cent of what a standard lightbulb uses) to produce one litre of water, and the absorption process itself requires no energy at all. Overall, the process uses 20 to 70 times less energy than the next best condensation solutions on the market.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #633 on: July 03, 2021, 01:38:07 PM »
Thanks lanca for the contact details.The invention you mention isn't realized while the other one is done and distributed by a man with a mission.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #634 on: July 03, 2021, 01:46:53 PM »
alan,there are many no-/ultra low profit foundations working in that field and because we know the huge no/low water habitants number world-wide we have to use financial investments effective,independent from skin color and nationality or sexus/genus !


https://www.sanakvo.org/


https://solarimpulse.com/efficient-solutions/high-efficiency-atmospheric-water-generators#

MISSION : About the foundation

The energy consumption varies between 30 and 100 W.                It is   50 W at 25°C and 70% humidity per litre


AWG Contractual LLC                                                                 It is 180 W at 30°C and 80% humidity per litre

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #635 on: July 03, 2021, 02:07:29 PM »

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #636 on: July 04, 2021, 01:49:14 AM »
Thanks Alan as I might attempt to get in contact with that guy.


But for the most part I am all about this technology as I must remain focused as to not get derailed. I have to get a SLA printer as then I can make the bobbins at a good cost and redo things on the fly with ease. I have one already in mind and am just saving my pennies until I have enough to purchase it. Then I have to save for a very expensive CNC machine as I will be needing it to take the technology further with some of my designs. My plans are just about set in stone and I shall not be moved as I know if I don't do it from the looks of it it will never get done and the world needs this technology to end it's reliance on fossil fuels. This to me is the only way to go about doing something that will actually make a difference in our battle to set things right as we go about trying to undo the damage we have made to the planet's atmosphere.


Once I have the things I need things will move along at a much faster pace.


Take care,
Edward

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #637 on: July 06, 2021, 01:14:44 PM »
Here it is, the famous Mayer's circuit with a car generator.
The question is, what frequency is supplied to the excitation winding?
And can a non-laminated steel core that is DC rated work at that frequency?

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #638 on: July 06, 2021, 01:54:20 PM »
YO, ALL MY TWO BUCKS WORTH. MY SINCERE GUT FEELING IS THAT WATER CAN
BE EASILY CRACKED USING GEOMETRICAL ELECTROLYSIS. THAT IS PENTAGON OR SIX
SIDED ELECTRODES WITH THE CENTRE ELECTRODES .

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #639 on: July 06, 2021, 04:56:45 PM »
About the location of the electrodes in accordance with the geometry of the water molecule.
I suggested a year ago. For example, four electrodes in form a tetrahedron repeating
the geometry of a molecule. But I was then ignored. they didn't payed attention.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #640 on: July 06, 2021, 05:27:18 PM »
About the location of the electrodes in accordance with the geometry of the water molecule.
I suggested a year ago. For example, four electrodes in form a tetrahedron repeating
the geometry of a molecule. But I was then ignored. they didn't payed attention.


And you will be ignored here too if you don't start doing things as Meyer did as once you move to make up things as you go along you are on your own. I think I have made myself very clear on that have I not?


You are to wire the capacitors up  in series just as I have shown and done failure to do so will result in me totally ignoring you. If you don't wish to be ignored then make your own thread and you can post what you are doing outside of this technology and perhaps get some to take interest in what you are doing, but speaking for myself, I will not be following you one bit. This technology is hard enough to get to work correctly already so no need to be adding in some unknowns you have no idea what will happen. It would be interesting if you first got some true high voltage to a Meyer type set up and then moved towards trying other ways to see if they worked also but you haven't. Instead you wish to just wing it and expect folks that are following me and doing what I have been asking them to do to just drop it and instead follow you.


Just so you know, anyone that has followed exactly what I have been telling them to do has also gotten high voltage to their WFC's. But you simply will not follow my lead and as a result have not gotten any high voltage to your WFC, but wait you don't even have a WFC because you never moved to build one in the first place. You expect the rules of "Electrolysis" to apply to this technology when it doesn't as it's totally the opposite of the science behind electrolysis.


So, if you wish to keep being ignored by me then keep posting stuff that is totally outside of the science behind this technology that I have freely shared with this entire forum.


Sorry to be so unyielding but I don't like it when people ignore me either especially on my own thread where I have went out of my way to share the science behind this technology.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2021, 12:04:39 AM by h20power »

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #641 on: July 07, 2021, 08:48:06 AM »
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But you simply will not follow my lead and as a result have not gotten any high voltage to your WFC, but wait you don't even have a WFC because you never moved to build one in the first place.
What am i  to do? :)
Take out a bank loan ? If this cannot be done in your country, then it is even more impossible here.
Take out a loan disguised as a consumer loan? But this is against my principles. In general, I never borrowed a penny from anyone in my life. :)
It is impossible to create a team of partners, like-minded people and employees here as well.
In this country, everything is built on lies, betrayal, theft and the desire for quick profit. :(

p.s.
I will try to make several identical cells and connect them in series.
At least I haven't tried it yet.  ;)

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #642 on: July 07, 2021, 12:10:34 PM »
The answer lies in the coils, study these, you must be able to make it with little money. Alixp sells most what you need, like many types of cores.
Lookup hyiq on youtube to understand the winding of the coils. I think the current in the two bucking coils [on the same core, one CW, other CCW wound] must create a changing magnetic flux in the direction so that it opposes/impedes the current in the other bucking coil. Voltage by means of transformer action will appear on each winding on the secondary + chokes, emf adds up but current won't flow.
Or try to make the steam resonator first.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #643 on: July 07, 2021, 05:06:40 PM »
The answer lies in the coils, study these, you must be able to make it with little money. Alixp sells most what you need, like many types of cores.
Lookup hyiq on youtube to understand the winding of the coils. I think the current in the two bucking coils [on the same core, one CW, other CCW wound] must create a changing magnetic flux in the direction so that it opposes/impedes the current in the other bucking coil. Voltage by means of transformer action will appear on each winding on the secondary + chokes, emf adds up but current won't flow.
Or try to make the steam resonator first.




Hi Alan,


With this technology it must be done correctly following a very specific set of rules. It can be done with just one water capacitor but it's really difficult as the transformer will lack the needed power to charge the load. This is why the transformer for the injectors is so large as that transformer needs to power that very small capacitor each injector makes. In contrast the WFC will have around the same capacitance as each of the cells is wired up in series which as we know when you wire capacitors up in series it lowers the over all capacitance. Capacitance in this case is the load, XC, thus the higher the capacitance the greater the load that will be placed on the transformer.


It's very tricky to balance the load as the load, WFC, will change it's capacitance for as it starts to produce gas those gases displace the dielectric in the capacitor which in turn lowers it's capacitance. These are all variable capacitors we are working with. They start off with a high load and once going that load being presented to the transformer goes down which is why the circuit must have a fast acting PLL section to keep up with the changing loads as the system starts to break down the water molecules. Everything must be done correctly or it simply will not work. People like to make changes to a system they have no idea of how it works and then scratch their heads when it doesn't work for them. Understanding how the system works is the first thing that is to be done as then and only then can one make changes to the technology. I find that people like trying to do things totally backwards and take massive short cuts to a system they don't fully understand trying to save money for the most part or put their spin on the technology seeking some sort of glory to be able to say they did it their way.


With this technology things must be done correctly or it simply will not work as it's the opposite of Dr. Faraday's electrolysis method. You see electrolysis is simple, just stick a DC power source to a bath of water, add a salt, acid, or base and away you go. Now there are rules as to how much salt, acid, or base one can add to the water for maximum efficiency but for the most part it's very simple. In sharp contrast using voltage to break the bonds of the water molecules is very complicated as we are talking about mimicking a thunderstorm electronically. The hard part is matching up the inductor to the capacitor as the capacitance of the capacitor must be figured out experimentally for the most part as none of us poor folk have the equipment needed to measure the capacitance of a water capacitor. Then we must take great care in making sure the secondary side remains an isolated circuit at all times. If a ground is given it will take it and thus never charge up the plates of the capacitor. This is something even Stanley Meyer was having trouble understanding as that is the primary reason why his injectors, as designed, didn't work as they grounded out to the car's battery. He would have had to isolate the injectors from the car's electrical system in order for them to work but he passes away before he could figure that out.


In this thread I have shown the way the waveform is to look, given a circuit design to use, and gone over practically all the science of how this is even possible looking at mother nature for answers and note I found them and shared that information with everyone. High voltage is to be respected so you can't use any coating on the wires as the coating must be able to withstand the voltages this technology works at. The transformer must be made to match the load almost perfectly and the load is varying as the system starts to break down the water molecules as the capacitance of the capacitor starts off high and ends up low as the gases produce displace the dielectric medium, water, out of the resonant cavity(s) which lowers the capacitance of the resonant cavity(s). Again the hard parts are finding the capacitance of the resonant cavity(s), then matching a inductor to power it up almost perfectly, and then making sure the circuit can lock on too and maintain resonance all times. These things aren't all that easy to do even though the circuit looks fairly simple. Put it this way, if it were simple to do then there would be many people out there replicating this technology, but it's not simple as with all technologies there are rules to follow in order to get it work correctly, and for the most part people don't understand the rules they are to follow to be able to get this technology working correctly.


This technology is very unforgiving when mistakes are made. For if one doesn't have a differential probe they can't view the waveform for if a standard probe with a grounding source is used the ground it adds to the system will be taken by the technology and a false reading will be given. If the circuit doesn't lock on to and maintain resonance as soon as the WFC starts to produce gas the system shuts down as it falls out of resonance when said gases are produced. There truly is nothing simple about this technology.


I hope that helps explain things to you Kolbacict as all technologies have rules to follow and I laid out many rules of this technology that must be followed to the letter.
Take care,
Edward

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #644 on: July 10, 2021, 09:32:22 PM »
Hello Everyone,


Well, to get the talks back on track I think this video helps as it shows the use of hydrogen being taken seriously but they just don't know about this technology: [size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctE6cZn2-H4&ab_channel=TechPlanet[/size] Note they are talking about hydrogen verses batteries for as it turns out the world just doesn't have enough raw materials for the entire world to switch from fossil fuel use to batteries as cobalt is the limiting factor as it's created a bottleneck for the electric cars which very few in the world's population as a whole can afford to buy right now. The question that's for this technology is, "How do we get the publics' support for this technology on a global scale?"


As of right now I am ready to take this technology further but I just lack the funds needed to do so. Here on this thread I've gone over the science behind this technology showing everyone that this technology is mimicking a thunderstorm in how it goes about breaking the bonds of the water molecules, but the technology doesn't stop there. Many things we do can be done better with this technology and some things this technology can do will be totally new to this world. As of right now I seem to be the only one that truly understands just how this technology works ever after posting just how the actual science behind this technology is derived. But I also display something else lacking in others and that something is the drive to see this technology through to it's completion making it to the marketplace so that folks around the world can buy it. Hopefully the cost will be well below that of EV's and the current Hydrogen fueled vehicles on the market right now for public consumption.


I think I'm at the point where I will cease trying to teach anyone this technology for it just seems like I'm hitting my head repeatedly on a brick wall when trying to do so and instead just focus my efforts to gain public support for this technology. Once I am able to make the bobbins in a more cost effective manor I will be able to showcase the technology to the public in a more convincing manor on just what this technology can do to improve their lives as well as what it can do to turn the tide on our climate change problems. Right now when I make the bobbin set they cost me around $3k USD per transformer. With today's SLA printing technology that cost can be drastically reduced but I have to be able to afford a SLA printer first that is capable of printing these bobbins. I've made some choices on which SLA printer to purchase and am currently saving up my pennies to be able to buy one, hopefully sooner than latter. On my GoFundMe page: [size=78%]https://www.gofundme.com/f/energy-independence-for-you-and-me[/size] I posted what the monies donated will be used for so as to be open to folks that look at the crowdfund wondering where the donated monies will be going. For as you can see I have a plan in place that will work in bringing this technology to the marketplace.


Why does the transformer cost so much? It's because it needs to be made perfectly for high voltage use and the current cost to have just the bobbins of the transformer made by a machine shop is on the high side. The cost effective way to go about this is by making as much as possible inhouse. As the company grows and starts to mass produce this technology the prices will start to drop as those are the rules of the market. Prices are cheaper for those that can afford to buy in bulk which is exactly how the market is setup to work and none of us can get around those rules at this moment in time. With all the DYI technologies coming forth it's only a matter of time before someone gets this technology put on the marketplace and I fully intend on being that someone as after all this time I have shown I have the drive necessary to see this through till the end.


For all that willing choose to aid me in my time of need, THANKS.