h2opower,
from what i have read of your explanations of stan meyer suppied by ramset on another thred, tell me if im correct, you are sayng that when you are capable of putting oxy in very high energy state that is all you need to seperate hydrogen and oxy(water) ? there is no need for water splitter injector? just the need for thermal heat spark?
outlawstc
does the energy balance (including ionization energy) show an excess of released energy?
or can the ionization of oxygen be 'free' using the VIC method?
is the hydrogen atom really being consumed and gone, like meyer said?
thanks
I believe the gas processor is vital to the injector, as per h20's explanation but I would also like to see it applied to the wfc as in a heater or torch.
Maybe separate the h an o at the cell run the O through the GP and recombine at the orifice, this would also make it less likely to flashback.
The hydrogen atom shouldn't be consumed for all that is being created is water vapor, it the lectures Stanley Meyer says the oxygen atom over compensates giving off the high energy yeilds beyond the normal hydrogen/oxygen reaction. The all copper VIC should be used on the Gas Processor, the SS wire VIC is for use of any gap 0.06-0.01 inches and that is only found in the Water Fuel Capacitor. Note there are two types of VIC transformers not just one. I posted a video of the Gas Processor in action on the other site from MIT.damn, you're actually working on it, looking very good.
Everyone should take the time to read the whole thread as there is a lot of information given in there, plus note I was learning more as I went along. Trust me I really wont re-write everything that I went over in the thread.
Best wishes,
h2opower.
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 7469.2 kJ/mol (@ 4th + ionization level) are formed yeilding 8341.2 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is 8341.2-1836 = +6505.2 kJ/molOk, let's assume enough energy is being released in the combustion engine, no doubt about that, it's enough to run a car; the net sum energy released in the combustion process, isn't that quantity equal (or even less) to the energy it did cost to separate the water (1836kJ/mol ) AND ionize the oxygen to 4th level (more than 7469.2 kJ/mol)?
The ioniztion energies is a two way street, what goes up must come down, so it takes the same amount of energy to raise the energy levels as you get from the enregy levels on their way down.
damn, you're actually working on it, looking very good.
In the New Zealand house meeting video, meyer actually did say the atoms are consumed, if I remember correctly.
Ok, let's assume enough energy is being released in the combustion engine, no doubt about that, it's enough to run a car; the net sum energy released in the combustion process, isn't that quantity equal (or even less) to the energy it did cost to separate the water (1836kJ/mol ) AND ionize the oxygen to 4th level (more than 7469.2 kJ/mol)?
you said yourself:
so my point is, I can see that it is possible to run a car on water, but I cannot see OU? Is the air processor a free ionizer and OU in itself?
(save your time by answering this if you already did, don't want to annoy by asking to repeat stuff, but i couldn't find it myself)
this is the link to the MIT video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQvXrxrqshk
All I did is figure out how he was able to use water as a fuel, and posted the results so everyone can enjoy energy independence.
Now I am going to set this up as an engineering project as a result I will not tell you how to build, construct, and/or design your projects if you so choose to make them. The idea is simple, to get as many different models as possible that all work. You will be shown where the power truly comes from and how everything works for the water fuel injector system, not the WFC in use with the gasous type injectors. Read them as a set of rules to follow, anyway you see fit on how to apply what you have read is up to you.
Again I stress that this is to be a engineering type project, the full build of the design shall come from the individual and/or teams that want to work together on it. And most important of all is to have fun ;D.
Enjoy: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3217-stanley-meyer-explained-7.html#post47874
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3217-stanley-meyer-explained.html
A talker who makes things happen ...
http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=132
Over a year ? lol I had the wire for under 3 months , plz refrain from making stuff up about me .
http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1185&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0
So ive seen Aaron talk about the resistance of the chokes , well the 11,600 ohms Meyers speaks of is just DC resistance ... impedance aside ..
Its true that to attain this resistance with copper you need about 45 times more.. or tiny very fragile wire..
Pm me for some
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@Dankie and H2oPower,
To settle all the "I have the better way" (mainly from Dankie), why not put both of your systems to the test at the same time in one place. There can be a few members to wherever it is done to document the event. Then everyone will be able to see who is right and who is wrong.
Dankie, why are you attacking H2o to begin with?
@H2o, can this be modified to work for a home heating furnace in place of natural gas? Do you have any plans on creating something like that? I think that would be a great next step to conquer, affordable home heating for everyone. I don't think I have the know how or ability to build this as is and would need very simplified and specific plans.
Thanks,
Mark
Good to see you are going after the holy grail rather than just worrying about transportation. With clean sources of electricity we can do pretty much anything including transportation.
I have allot of learning to do but I cant wait to see where I can take this myself! I am quite a bit behind most but that doesnt take the fun out of the ride along the way, in fact I hope you all beat me to the finish line but If not I will help bring you there once I get close.
Hi Kippered,
You got that right, if you produce your own power and you have an electric car you kill two birds with the same stone. Energy independence means, for me, starting at home first. If you have a boat house it even gets better no more fuel tank just get the water as you go ;D. Plus for emergency power gen set units can also be made to provide potable water on site. If we learned one thing from Katrina is oil/coal type fuel is hard to come by when desaster strikes. People every year die in there homes due to the energy enslavement game, couldn't afford to pay the heating or cooling bills, and the power genaration companies/energy sellers are fine with that. This is a world wide problem killing millions each year, though there are a lot of other factors involed, energy independence will be a big step in the right direction. Trust me I know exactly what this technology can do, for if you really want to go to Mars this technology will get you there and beyound. In my view this technology is the key to humanity moving forwards again.
h2opower.
Hi Kippered,
You got that right, if you produce your own power and you have an electric car you kill two birds with the same stone. Energy independence means, for me, starting at home first. If you have a boat house it even gets better no more fuel tank just get the water as you go ;D. Plus for emergency power gen set units can also be made to provide potable water on site. If we learned one thing from Katrina is oil/coal type fuel is hard to come by when desaster strikes. People every year die in there homes due to the energy enslavement game, couldn't afford to pay the heating or cooling bills, and the power genaration companies/energy sellers are fine with that. This is a world wide problem killing millions each year, though there are a lot of other factors involed, energy independence will be a big step in the right direction. Trust me I know exactly what this technology can do, for if you really want to go to Mars this technology will get you there and beyound. In my view this technology is the key to humanity moving forwards again.
h2opower.
Interesting,
In my studies the most simplest answer to Stanley Meyer's technology is; Under a controled state change the atmospher to one that is suitable for water combustion
Here are the ionization energy levels of oxygen:
• 1st 1313.9 kJ/mol
• 2nd 3388.3 kJ/mol
• 3rd 5300.5 kJ/mol
• 4th 7469.2 kJ/mol
• 5th 10909.5 kJ/mol
• 6th 13326.5 kJ/mol
• 7th 71330.0 kJ/mol
• 8th 84078.0 kJ/mol
Now let us take a look at the reaction to break and form the water molecule under normal conditions.
4 H-O 459 kJ/mol bonds are broken taking 1836 kJ/mol to do so.
2 H-H 436 kJ/mol bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 498 kJ/mol are formed yielding 1370 kJ/mol.
This is why all scientist say it takes more energy to break the bonds of water than you get from combining them, for the net sum of the reaction is negative, 1370-1836 = -466 kJ/mol.
Now the new reactions after the GP has stripped the electrons off of the oxygen atom are known as ionic reactions. Let’s take a look at the 1st energy level of 1313.9 kJ/mol.
The new reaction to form the water molecule 1st energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 1313.9 kJ/mol are formed yielding 2185.9 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is now positive 2185.9-1836 = +349.9 kJ/mol, so now we are getting more energy out than in. To give the energy level a bench mark for comparison the energy content of gasoline is +4864 kJ/mol. So only striping one electron off of the oxygen atom resulted in a positive energy level but still far behind that of gasoline.
Stanley Meyer said he stripped four electrons or more off of the oxygen atom so let us take a look at the reactions as told to us in the patent.
The new reaction to form the water molecule at the 4th energy level is as follows:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 7469.2 kJ/mol are formed yielding 8341.2 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is 8341.2-1836 = +6505.2 kJ/mol
5th
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 10090.5 kJ/mol = 10962.5 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is 10962.5-1836= +9126.5 kJ/mol.
6th
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 13326.5 kJ/mol = 14198.5 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is 14198.5-1836= +12362.5 kJ/mol.
Now this is more than 2.54 times the energy content of that of gasoline, and gives a most probable answer to the question of, “How did Stanley Meyer run his 1.6L engine with an hho production rate of only 7L/min.?†For you still have two more electrons to strip off.
What is your take on the math of the process? Am I right or wrong in your view? This assumes the worste case of the reaction, if done any other way will give higher energy yeilds. For what it all comes down to is energy flux density in this case I measured it in joules per mole. @ Outlawstc
The new reaction to form the water molecule 1st energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 1313.9 kJ/mol are formed yielding 2185.9 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is now positive 2185.9-1836 = +349.9 kJ/mol, so now we are getting more energy out than in. To give the energy level a bench mark for comparison the energy content of gasoline is +4864 kJ/mol. So only striping one electron off of the oxygen atom resulted in a positive energy level but still far behind that of gasoline.
i'm not even going to dignify your "GOD" theory with an answer..
use of GOD either implies that you believe it is the be all and end all way... not slightly ignorant at all... or that it is holy and is greater than man kind... still not slightly ignorant at all
there has been plenty of research into it.
This is getting sad. What the hell are you people on?
Outlaw is now throwing religion into the mix - I guess that is to conveniently fill in the missing bits that his brain can't handle or science seemingly can't explain!
H2O, maths is not proof of concept. The maths is simply figures from which you are forming your concept.
Proof of concept is having a working unit powering a ICE.... don't think you've got one of these have you?
I know exactly what to think about the likes of Dinkie. Kinesis and Outlaw, but I'm really not sure what to make of you H2O. Seems to me like your just shouting your mouth off as many have before, making out that you have all the answers, but curiously you seem to expect others to build the unit! I've heard it all before, people are good at talking the talk - yet to see anyone walk the walk. And I for one wont be holding my breath while you play with your maths.
What I'd like to know is just where all the power to continually ionise oxygen is coming from in the first place?
Personally, like Meyer, I don't for one minute think that you understand the science involved in what your are suggesting, let alone have the electronics know-how to build a proof-of-concept unit.
But don't let that stop you... please, go ahead and prove me wrong!
What I'd like to know is just where all the power to continually ionise oxygen is coming from in the first place?
Well H2O, I've now concluded that you're just as misguided as most of the others around here - what a lot of nonsense you talk!
Why would I have to prove you wrong?
I didn't find Meyer very credible, I find you less so. Proof is in the pudding, not the recipe. Once you have a working model you can then put an end to any speculation and skepticism. I, or anyone else does not need to prove you wrong, you simply need to prove yourself right, by building a working model. Afterall, you made a point of coming over here shouting about how you know how to do it - it's for you to back up you claims, not for us to disprove you. Besides you haven't actually got anything to disprove yet have you... it's all just talk!
I say again, you have nothing but theories until you put your ideas into practise and build a working - proof of concept - model. And again, where is all the energy to continually ionise oxygen coming from in the first place?
And do you really expect an oxygen ion missing half a dozen electrons to react with a hydrogen ion? If so how? Do you expect to get water as a by-product? If so, how?
Exactly what chemical reaction do you expect to get from heavily ionised oxygen and hydrogen? How can they even react?
I don't think you've really thought this through. Gases ionised to extremes won't react as normal, they need too many electrons to stabilise. Like Meyer before you, it all sounds good, but the science simply does not add up!
Outlaw sweetie, has the doctor changed your medication by any chance... because you seem to be tripping on something?
i will answer for you h20
In electricity, a corona discharge is an electrical discharge brought on by the ionization of a fluid surrounding a conductor, which occurs when the potential gradient (the strength of the electric field) exceeds a certain value, but conditions are insufficient to cause complete electrical breakdown or arcing
references
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_discharge
outlawstc
You are not smart enough to take on the likes of me so go call on some of your butt bodies to help you out, or take the easy way out and quit
Great to see you around Farrah ... I dont agree with all you said , but do agree with some of it .
Yeah this forum sucks now , its just a shithole , I feel like cursing @ everybody .... O yeah I remember , thats just what I did for the last few weeks , curse and insult people ., I guess this site does has its appeal after all... best part is you cant ever get banned
Be honest, did you know there where two types of VIC transformers being used by Stanley Meyer?
I went over this on the other site for anyone else wanting to know more about them.
Kineses
In spite of the bickering here,I can still pull water out of thin air and create a system for refueling a water powered car automatically.Now you guys just need to recreate Stanley Meyer's device for pulling water apart.My design could be used to refuel as a car is sitting or running 24/7.Triffid
I for one know that the Gas Processor is the most important part of Stanley Meyer's technology for at the end of one of his patents he says it can be used with any type of fuel, and as we have all seen that the Gas Processor can be driven by any high frequency switching type transformer as the MIT video demonstraited. Without the Gas Processor you can get no thermo explosive energy all you will get is 286 kJ/mol or perhapes a bit more if hho is produced. But that is no where near the energy content of gasolines 4k-5k kJ/mol depending on the grade used. Remember it all comes down to energy flux density and water for fuel with the Gas Processor has far more energy content than fossile fuels.
And kinesisfilms please don't talk to him for he is not worth it lets just run right over him for we are all making great progress right now ;) I for one am not going back for road kill ::)
h2opower
Now I am going to set this up as an engineering project as a result I will not tell you how to build, construct, and/or design your projects if you so choose to make them. The idea is simple, to get as many different models as possible that all work. You will be shown where the power truly comes from and how everything works for the water fuel injector system, not the WFC in use with the gasous type injectors. Read them as a set of rules to follow, anyway you see fit on how to apply what you have read is up to you.
Again I stress that this is to be a engineering type project, the full build of the design shall come from the individual and/or teams that want to work together on it. And most important of all is to have fun ;D.
Enjoy: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3217-stanley-meyer-explained-7.html#post47874
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3217-stanley-meyer-explained.html
once again...something is not right here......Phantasm and Farrahday might be one in the same.
I get that you guys have a lot of trouble with people being myschievious here and being that there's no way to prove or disprove anything in this regard, I suppose you can believe what you willNot another annoying "smooth talker" , theres enough of you around here .
I only hope that you can still be critical of the message independently of being critical of the messenger
Thanks,
Hi! H20power, I am new to this forum. I've been reading several forums for the last year or so on Stan Meyers and about anything i could research about him and his work. I never realy wanted to join a forum until i started reading this thread for i find it very interesting. I have been working on this for over a year now. And like most people im getting no where with it. I Think you show a new outlook on the way it should be built and work. I intend on putting your ideas and math to good use (for it all adds up). I hope you and everyone welcomes me here for i may need help from time to time......I am a Machinest by trade and i am willing to help out in any way i can in that feild of work..
Thanks,
Gpssonar
If you reason it out you can only come to a few conclussions, but the primary conclussion is, he is trying to get you to not build a nesasary device found in the patents of Stanley Meyer's for the reason of keeping you all trapped in the energy enslavement game they have us all playing right now
Now I am going to set this up as an engineering project as a result I will not tell you how to build, construct, and/or design your projects if you so choose to make them. The idea is simple, to get as many different models as possible that all work. You will be shown where the power truly comes from and how everything works for the water fuel injector system, not the WFC in use with the gasous type injectors. Read them as a set of rules to follow, anyway you see fit on how to apply what you have read is up to you.
Again I stress that this is to be a engineering type project, the full build of the design shall come from the individual and/or teams that want to work together on it. And most important of all is to have fun ;D.
Enjoy: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3217-stanley-meyer-explained-7.html#post47874
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3217-stanley-meyer-explained.html
Hello guys i would like to invite you to my thread http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4617-stanley-meyer-true.html
Here i released the basic information about the way meyer did to achieve 1000x efficiency electrolysis.
I ask for donations so if you can please donate it will help a lot. I decided to come here and advert you about it.
Answer he didn't used high voltage between the plates. He talked about this to confuse people.
40kv at 1ma = to 40 watts right ?
How about 4000 amps at 0,01volts
would not it be = to 40w?
The key is how to pass this huge current thru water at this very low voltage. You would need very high surface on the plates and...
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Interesting arguments L505. I'm confused about how you interpret ionization and such. Do you understand it and you say Meyers didn't?
Where do the electrons go? In Stan's case, ground. The EEC is clearly used after the electrolytic cell to ionize the liberated gasses. Stan calls it an "Electron Extraction Circuit", Tesla called it an "Ozone Generator", "Air Ionizer", etc...
The technology is older than the hills, so, it should not be too hard of a concept even when the names have changed which all inventors love to do when they invent(rediscover). like the "Transmogrifier" or a "Flux Capacitor".
In the course of my own investigations, more especially those of the electric properties of ice, I have discovered some novel and important facts, of which the more prominent are the following : Firsts that under certain conditions, when the leakage of the electric charge, ordinarily taking place, is rigorously prevented, ice proves itself to be a much better insulator than has heretofore appeared; second, that its insulating properties may be still further improved by the addition of other bodies to the water; third, that the di-electric strength of ice or other frozen aqueous substance increases with the reduction of temperature and corresponding increase of hardness; and fourth, that these bodies afford a still more effective insulation for conductors carrying intermittent or alternating currents, particularly of high rates ; surprisingly thin layers of ice being capable of withstanding electromotive forces of many hundreds, and even thousands of volts.Improvements relating to the Insulation of Electric Conductors.
I realize that I'm off the mark here, but "Electrons" cannot "Go" to ground. Please remember, unless you are working with high Negative Voltages, the electrons COME from ground.
I can assume that Stan could have been using all negative values, at which point the ground could suck up the higher charged particles. (No need to discuss the theory with you guys, as you understand it better than I.)
@L505
After re-reading your "Questions" several times, so I had some idea of what you were really asking, I can offer a small start. First, there are two ways to create ions. One is to add an electron. The other is to remove one.
Yes there is a way to steal the electron from the oxygen atoms this reaction takes place when you start to have ionization by collision inside your cells works like a chain reaction 1 electron is liberated is recirculated by the tank and again shot in the water again to knock out more electrons.
So believe me or not is your choice i ask for money
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L505
Magic ?
or good engineering??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc
Chet
Funny, I can strip electrons off of oxygen with only 5 watts of power! It's called an "Ionizer"...
Most importantly Stan never clearly explained how 4 electrons are stripped without expending energy. Electrons are not just waiting to be stripped for free. It takes great energy to strip electrons from atoms. That's what people don't understand when it comes to energy levels, and that's why there are all the free mol energy assumptions/miscalculations.
Now if you've discovered some magical way to strip electrons without expending energy, then you've gotta back it up with a sound theory and not quackery or assumption ("they'll just knock off because I said so due to my magical wave theory" isn't good enough).
People assume that it doesn't take much energy to knock off the electrons from the atom and that is simply not true.
Do you always argue with gibberish? This is the post I was addressing in the first place and now you want an answer to something else? Go educate yourself and figure it out like the rest of us! It helps to know what the hell you are debating in the first place. With the few nonsensical words you have written, it is clear you do not have the capacity to ponder such things let alone inadequate communication skills. If you truly believe this is all quackery, why hang around and argue about it? Is it because you are lonely?
Look up something called "burden of proof" and "shifting the burden of evidence" and such phrases. When you are done that, please come back.
Hi Everyone,
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Thanks Everyone,
h2opower.
from reading the last couple pages of talk about electrons, i get the distinct idea that you consider them to be discrete particles, is this correct? are you suggesting that electrons are discrete particles?
One has to make sure we don't screw up our environment by giving off radiation and/or consuming mass that we don't want to consume (i.e. taking mass out of oceans, one would have to calculate how much mass is lost with millions of cars/airplanes). A proper explanation and balanced equations is still required for this device to ever be taken seriously. No one has provided ANY whatsoever....
Now for something completely different. :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU47blakiiI&feature=related
Cheers all - didn't know where else to post this link.
From what I have seen in peoples capabilities here on this site, with the teachings I posted, a good 15-30% of you here on this site should now be converting your cars to run on water as it's sole source of fuel...is your car converted to run on water as it's sole source of fuel?
But as Meyer himself sometimes said, "You must learn how to ask the right questions," and I believe now I have done just that.i believe i did... just previously.
My company is bringing out a different part of Stanley Meyer's technology which will not be talked about until it's unveiling as I have stated before my knowledge of Stanley Meyer's technology is vast. I did my part in doing what everyone else before me would not, and that was to give the water for fuel technology away for free. Sure you are going to have to build, design, and everything else that goes along with creating this technology for yourself. But if this is to be a grass roots effort then I say to you, "What are you waiting for!" My company already has it's agenda on which part of his technology it will market. As for what I have converted to use this technology I will not say as this is not the correct place to do that in. This is a WAR for our independence, an energy independence, where the individual is in full control of their own energy needs. The time to act is now for you all are those individuals!so that's a no then... your car isn't converted to run on water as its sole source of fuel.
As for a home furnace or those other parts of Stanley Meyer's technology, no I haven't built anything like that as of yet. To tell the truth I haven't even thought of doing so until you just brought it up right now. I will look into it for future projects for I think you are correct there is a need for that too.
so that's a no then... your car isn't converted to run on water as its sole source of fuel.
i find that interesting.
Hi H2Opower
Nice Circuit, but I have one little problem, and you may have already corrected it on newer designs, but there is so much out there that I rarely have time to view half of it.
The "Pass" component shown is an SCR, which once conducting will not shut off until the current drops below the threshold point. Is this the correct part and idea? My only assumption is the actual current flowing through the coil and "Water Cap" is always below the this point, but wouldn't this make start-up a "Problem". (As in, the first cycle would turn on the device, but until the "Charge" was enough to limit the current, the part latches.)
I realize that there may be dynamics I am unaware of and I have not actually built this specific circuit, but I have made enough of this type of setup to know that reducing the current has always been one of the hardest parts (For me, at least...) and I am quite curious. I can imagine that a 2 Henry "Choke" might be enough to prevent "Latch-up", but I didn't want to guess and I don't have enough experience with the dynamics of the "Water Cap" itself to figure it with plain math.
I am going to read and save the last few links you provided, and that may very well answer my questions, but any insight you would care to offer would be greatly appreciated.
TIA
So a electron vacuum sort of,would work?
Hi H20power so what can one do to increase electrolysis in a cell? A guy said to put an oscillator near the cell. I am using tha lawton circuit now but if you have other ideas I would like to hear.
Thanks
Hi,
What you want it to do is ionized the water, for you do not want any electrolysis going on at all. Once you get the water to ionized just like creating ozone, water starts to lose electrons. An atom can lose a few electrons and remain the atom it is, but not a molecule for by losing electrons makes the molecule become unstable and break apart for it can no longer satisfy the Octet Rule.
In order to do this the charging choke must have a greater capacitance than the capacitor that is to be charged. In order to get higher voltages the resistance of the circuit has too increase. In patent 4789661 in the drawings you will see a variable resistor just after the negative electrode and the ground. The resistor is 60n, and in the patent Meyer tells us that with increased voltages the resistance has to go up. This raises the "Breakdown Point" and at the same time cuts the amps going to the system. The 8xa circuit can be modified with a Lawton circuit so your in luck ;). As you raise the voltage more water is broken down by way of increased ionization. That is the key to Meyer's water breakdown method, high resistance to keep the amps low and high voltage to ionize the water molecules thus ejecting very electrons it needs to keep it in a stable state.
There is no normal electrolysis taking place in the method Meyer employed. By increasing voltage/resistance you increase the amount of gas produced.
Hope that helped some,
h2opower
Do you have a working system powering an actual vehicle h2opower?
The secret of Meyer is the VIC and how it is pulsed.
Understanding the principals is more important than schematics.
Does anyone have a VIC for sale?
Hi H2opower about the Lawton circuit you said that I have to increase voltage. So I should do a sort of inverter after the circuit to higher voltage?Are you going to use a system that has just the chokes or a isolated pulsing VIC transformer? If you are using an isolated VIC pulsing transformer then all you need to add to the system is a high side PWM. In the pic of the high side PWM you just need to change the p-channel FET to one that can take a higher voltage. This PWM is hooked up to the positive side of the primary coil and the Lawton circuit to the negative side of the primary coil. That will give you control of the voltages without affecting the pulsing of the transformer.
Thanks
I'm going to create the 3-23 VIC:
A modified EI to UI core.
Turns:
Primary: 50-100 thick wire
Secondary: 30k-40k 38awg
Chokes: 30k-40k 38awg
any suggestions?
Hi H20power where is the H11D1 setup found?
Thanks
Your not going to like this one...
If your planned Reso freq = 1830 hz , the plates alternate at 1830 cps AC based on LC timing.
If you move to a larger L , the freq drops and X changes.
L + C are passive components that react differently to AC = REACTANCE
Xc and XL are 180 degrees to each other and cancel each other
2 pi formulas are sine , circular not pulse.
**A choke does not stop DC...... Electrons
6326.44 + 22996.46 + 23015.04 + 78.54 X 3.77883 nf...
R l + 2 pi f L + 1/ (2 pi f C ) + stan fig?? X C
78.54 OHMS is one of Stans tricks that out lived him and unfortunately stuck to the blanket.
**specific constants are measured at specific temperatures...78.54 @ 25 degrees centigrade, the same sample @ 20 degrees C = 80.37 , the same sample @ 100 degrees C = 55.33 ....
The Dielectric constant CANT be measured in OHMS and NEVER has been ,HOW ? ? ? ,ones a temperature the other is a ratio.
Resistivity ,R ,X ,Z are measured in Ohms but R is the only one used in RC time constant.
If you want 1830 hz ,youll need a power supply and it will need a timing circuit wether its 555 , TL494 or what ever ,it will also need an RC combo on the timing pins.
Stans WFC tech brief has mis info through out , ANYONE can go thru and check .
Have a look thru this site at RC timing and theres a section on tuned circuits.
http://www.learn-about-electronics.com/rc-time-constant.html
Theres alot of people putting in an honest effort into researching Meyers but surely there needs to be an honest approach to the info he was peddling. Put it under the microscope .
There is an actual possibility that the info is BOGUS and not even Jesus can change that .
Square one is there for everyone and unfortunately we're all there but drifting down the same path that a dead man pointed down isnt going to help .
..as you were... and NO Im not kicking you or anyone else in the guts.
Let me give you some info to help understand Stans work.
1st: Stan had three water cells.
1- variable plate cell (non resonance)
2-multi tube cell,alternator powered (also non resonance)
3-resonanct cavity,11 tube cell (the only resonance cell)
The first two cells were amp restricting cells.They only show amp restriction and no resonance action.
2nd: The biggest mistake most people make is that they think the multi tube demo cell worked on resonance,It didn't.
3rd:The next mistake they make is trying to drive a multi tube cell with a frequency driver to find resonance.It won't work,back to 2nd fact.
4th: Another mistake people make is mixing different technologies together, 3rd fact.
This one is the bigest thing I see people doing wrong.Trying to use a VIC coil with the multi tube cell.They are two different technologies.
Let me give you some info to help understand Stans work.
1st: Stan had three water cells.
1- variable plate cell (non resonance)
2-multi tube cell,alternator powered (also non resonance)
3-resonanct cavity,11 tube cell (the only resonance cell)
The first two cells were amp restricting cells.They only show amp restriction and no resonance action.
2nd: The biggest mistake most people make is that they think the multi tube demo cell worked on resonance,It didn't.
3rd:The next mistake they make is trying to drive a multi tube cell with a frequency driver to find resonance.It won't work,back to 2nd fact.
4th: Another mistake people make is mixing different technologies together, 3rd fact.
This one is the bigest thing I see people doing wrong.Trying to use a VIC coil with the multi tube cell.They are two different technologies.
page 1-1 SMTB
LC Circuit
Resonant Charging Choke (C) in series with Excitor-array (El/E2) forms an inductor-capacitor circuit
(LC) since the Excitor-Array (ER) acts or performs as an capacitor during pulsing operations, as
illustrated in Figure (1-2) as to Figure (1-1).
The Dielectric Properties (insulator to the flow of amps) of natural water (dielectric constant being
78.54 @ 25c) between the electrical plates (El/E2) forms the capacitor (ER). Water now becomes part
of the Voltage Intensifier Circuit in the form of "resistance" between electrical ground and pulsefrequency
positive-potential ... helping to prevent electron flow within the pulsing circuit (AA) of
Figure 1-1.
Very Nice Cell. I assume that you have "Tuned" these cells via exacting methods during the build? I do like the way the seals allow direct exposure of the outer tubes but I would think this "O-Ring" type of sealing would dampen physical vibration and alter the true resonance point. Yes or No?
( Yes, I am still watching, learning, lurking and interested. )
I might accept that the "Resonance" would be totally "Electrical" in nature, but noticed in several reads of many areas (I have no true opinion on Meyer himself, as the info is the important part.) that separate units were used for each tube in the "resonance" build. If all were in series, why would there be more than one unit needed? (There were many on the Buggy...)
I'm not trying to be negative, just trying to understand...
Thanks for info, as I had thought you were one of the people that first brought that little fact to light. Maybe my memory is failing me?
Keep up the great work...
h20 power. In post # 248. You saidThe vic transformers were hooked up three and three. That is to say 3 were hooked in parallel.and those 3 were hooked up out of phase. I can see and understand fron the figure 8-11b where the first three go to the outer tube. But dont understand (those three were hooked up out of phase in a three phase arrangement). Could you explain this to me better so I can understand this a little better. I am working on the alternator version now. Also if there were 9 vics in total would the stator have to be center tapped to put in 3 more vics and then put in three more off the 3 neutral legs. trying my best to understand this .Thanks.
Hi H2opower
that looks like a nicely built cell set - i notice that the design appears to work like a capacitor in that the only area of water contact is between the 2 tubes - what about the centerer of the inner tube - is it left open because i was wondering how you circulated the water from the top to bottom sections of the cell.
With the resonant cavity drawing, diagram attached, where is the earth symbolized connection on the water inlet connected to.? I'm unclear of its purpose - is it for setting a electrical polarity on the water entering the cavity.?
the question: On the VIC coil driving the cell - has anyone contemplated what would happen in the circuit if the secondary had a centerer tap and that centerer tap electrically connects to the water in the cell. ?
What I was curious about was the earthing/grounding of the inlet, and as the vic/chokes/cell are effectively a closed circuit.
Even referring to fig 8-11 of the rotary vic on the alternator setup, the diagram clearly says - water bath electrical ground 0v.
For a ground point for the water, as seen on the inlet of the "resonant cavity", is that applicable to a WFC and if so could a ground, zero point, be utilized by a centerer tap on the secondary for as an example for reference, as seen in a simple dual rail psu circuit.??
I can see 2 diagrams that refer to the water being 0v, wfc422da and fig 8-11. Writing by others suggests that on a vic circuit and cell they can get high voltages across the electrodes/plates but little output, so might an area to explore be the potential of the watter as in the 2 Meyer's diagrams?
is a cell a water bath and resonant cavity.?
BTW - anyone find the kontera.com and infolinks.com underlining of "hotwords in posts and the forum a nuisance? - use Noscript with firefox to prevent the scripts for konterra.com and infolinks.com from being used - makes the page much cleaner to read
Would appreciate some data like power in gas out.
I hope your experiments work out.
Here is a recent article I wrote for those new to the water for fuel concept.
http://revolution-green.com/2013/06/05/water-powered-cars-and-generators/ (http://revolution-green.com/2013/06/05/water-powered-cars-and-generators/)
Kind Regards
I'm not trying to confuse your efforts here, but I believe there are similarities between Stan Meyer's and Bob Boyce's technologies. Resonance is involved, but IMO the frequencies are variable and have little if anything to do with molecular or atomic frequency.
All Meyers methods involve robbing atoms of their valence electrons to nullify covalent molecular bonds.
The VIC steals the valence electrons, then applies an electric field to finish the job.
Meyers made the statement that water is an insulator, and everyone said "he's cracked!"
Well, Meyers wasn't cracked.
There are certain circumstances where water does act as an insulator.
Based on the contents of Meyers' patents, and the wealth of information they contain, along with the doubt and confusion encountered by those who try to decypher them, IMO, either Meyers was a genius and excelled at protecting his technology, or, Meyers was lead by some higher intelligence, and he blindly followed without fully understanding the technology he delivered.
http://www.mareasistemi.com/didattica%2010.html (http://www.mareasistemi.com/didattica%2010.html)
I remember when the Ravi story originally came out, and everyone was hoping to find the reason why their attempts at replicating Meyer's technology had failed. Everyone poured over the pictures, circuitry, and what little documentation was forthcoming, but to no avail. Ravi appeared to have stumbled upon success with no rational explanation. I'm convinced that even Ravi couldn't duplicate his own success since he couldn't adequately explain what he did that was different.
If one goes back and looks at all the material Meyer produced concerning his successful models, you'll find early models where he was using 3 electrodes. In my research, I believe I have found the reason he used 3 electrodes. I have discovered that water molecules bind together to form conduction paths, and as long as current continues to flow through these conduction paths, the molecules stay aggressively locked within these paths, and will resist making new paths. Thus Meyer's statements concerning the insulative qualities of water. No one could understand why Meyer would make such statements, since everyone knows water conducts electricity. I believe this is the key to Meyer's success which everyone has overlooked.
As one continues down this path of reasoning, a sequence of events have to take place to break down water.
1) Apply a 1st electric potential that will lock the water molecules into a configuration that makes them vulnerable to perpendicular forces.
2) Apply a 2nd electric potential perpendicular to the configuration of the conduction paths formed in step 1.
3) Once a number of molecules have broken, and free molecules re-align with the 2nd electric potential, shut down the 2nd electric potential.
4) repeat step 1.
Each of Meyer's models which involves electrodes submerged in water use this method or sequence of events.
Thus the need for pulsing electricity to the electrodes.
It's similar to the domino effect.
If one wants to demonstrate the domino effect, steps have to be taken.
Set the dominos up in a predetermined configuration.
Apply a force in a direction that is calculated to take advantage of a known weakness and the dominos fall.
<By all accounts, it has nothing to do with molecular or atomic frequencies/resonance, and everything to do with circuit/electronic resonance.>
I think the information Puharich gave is more correct. Why should he lie about this frequency 22GHz.
He mentioned it because he found out while doing research.
Hydrogen production using cheap metals (Nickel/Nickel Oxide) at low voltage is now possible and very efficient. Such that a single AAA battery can be made to produce it via simple method.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh_0cRYebYU
http://news.stanford.edu/pr/2013/pr-nickel-water-splitter-111213.html
TS
I am well aware of that technology and as always they are 5-10 years down the road.
Perhaps not as well aware as you assume. Afterall, the methodology for depositing thin films of Nickel Oxide on cheap silicon wafers is not rocket science. It's only 5-10 years down the road for those who prefer the hard way. The point is, it is simple and they're doing it N-O-W.
http://jes.ecsdl.org/content/146/4/1407.abstract
The technology is eminently scalable and much simpler and more efficient than any other I've seen. And I've been down that road aways. And its back alleys too.
Hydrogen catalysis don't get much simpler than that, and with the observed output at 1.5v with a triple A battery.....
Well, the results speak for themselves.
TS
oh Did Stanley Meyers said anything about deionizing the negative out of water in his videos ? If he did not then that is what he is also doing there and all negative Ion's are also all negative electrons that are losing there magnetic attraction to itself and the temperatures does play with one of major parts of water !! And sir I dont have my head in my butt you would say here because the findings I came up with is the only explanation to my experimenting with distilled water in my video !! Have or has anyone tried to use one paper clip and one stainless steel spoon to get what I got yet here ? No because you guys think you got all the dang answer but dont !!! Its ok if you or anyone here dont listen to me its fine by me because I got something you guys have not seen or used yet !!! I wish that someone would work with me on my findings but its ok also because some of you guys are lost then and do not care to help me out at all when you got your own heads up your tuss yourselves !!!
Tom
Then lower the capacitance of each cell and reduce the number of cells and you should be in the ballpark.
I guess you know what you are doing Ed. Hope you're right.
If it were me, I'd assemble about 20 fully operational prototypes and give them away for peer review. Those reviews will be the cheapest marketing you are going to find. With thumbs up from all reviewers, only then would I consider mass production.
There are two rules you must follow if you continue on your current path:
#1 If you do not take care of the customer, somebody else will.
#2 The customer is always right.
Translation -- Nobody cares what you think you have. You have to prove yourself to them. They will happily beat you to a pulp if your product does not live up to their expectations. One whiner will end any and all funding you otherwise might have received. That's the cruel reality of "the markets" you speak about. Bring your A-game or stay home.
BTW, these guys (https://www.lulzbot.com/) have far more complex technology; they're OpenSource too. Buy theirs or build it yourself, either way everyone wins.
Well Ed, I'm a little confused.
1. You don't believe in OpenSource, yet you post publicly here at overunity.com.
2. You want to build something that can be mass produced and sold where?
3. You need everyone's help to get this off the ground, yet you scorn one-offs.
I sense a lot of mixed signals in your postings and very little hard-core details such as:
* How to impedance match the coils to the cell.
* How to tune the system once assembled.
* Where to get off-the-shelf parts.
* How concepts like Coulomb's Law apply to splitting water molecules.
* Electrical schematics and scope shots showing the exact needed waveforms.
I sometimes feel this is just your hobby Ed and you have no real desire to "save the world".
I also don't feel you have the motivation to re-create this technology and share it
in a form people can immediately get their hands on and begin to replicate.
And lastly, I doubt very much you have the guts to get yourself and your
family killed over this technology. Maybe someday you'll get lucky, get
something to work and the MiBs will offer to buy you out and you can
live happily ever after. I know in the case of Mr. Walker, he found what
he was looking for and can now go to his grave with a smile on his face.
Myself, I'd rather be JFK'd doing what I know needs to be done. My life
means nothing; what I take with me means everything. Do you have
what it takes Ed? I'm not asking you this to piss you off. I'm asking you
this so you might take a deep look into your soul and define your purpose.
I'd like nothing better than to see you setup a complete system with ICE
and generator attached and fire this all up for the very first time on live
streaming cameras, so the whole world could see you prove this technology
out. I'd like those streams to be so rich in detail that only a complete
idiot could not figure out what you have built. Do it Ed, do it. Let the
genie out of the bottle so it can never again be put back in. Get angry.
Develop a hatred for silence, obscurity and falsehoods. Let it all go.
Make a difference. Make your mark in this 21st century. And just
remember what Will Munny said in the movie Unforgiven...
We all got it comin' kid.
Well Ed,i must say that i was a little upset with Russ my self not so long ago.
I hadnt heard from him in a long time,only to see he posted a video directed at my work i was doing at the time,pointing out mistakes he thought i had made.
If he had of been following the thread at OUR,where i was asked to take voltage and current measurements separately,then maybe he would have understood what i was showing.
Needless to say,he did the measurements incorrectly him self in his video,where he showed the phase shift between two current value's,instead of the phase relationship between voltage and current that relates to power factor.
But none the less,I still believe in Russ,and what he is doing for the community.
I also still have the up most respect for him,and would have a cuppa or beer with him any day.
We (Russ and myself) gave birth to the pulse motor build off's,which was a huge success for the years it was in play. The buldoff's just seemed to bring so many people together,and was a wack of fun.
Russ and myself use to be as thick as thieves,and it saddens me some what that we no longer seem to get together,and have a yarn.
Anyway Ed--forgive and forget--thats what i say.
Brad
As for Stephen Meyer I really don't care what he has to say and will never seriously take a look at anything he has done as my goal was to get at the science behind the technology and yes I did finally got at that science despite Meyer's wishes that no one would be able to figure out what he had done. In order to do this I had to step away from Meyer's work and focus on the use of the scientific method to get at the core science behind this technology. Asking and answering questions through experimentation is what the scientific method is all about and I put in the time, a lot of time, to get the job done.
Taken down due to Armcortex
For us, now we can clearly see voltage does in fact do work and all we have to do is place a high voltage potential difference electrical field on the plates of the water capacitors we make. It's not as easy as I make it sound but at least we now know what must be done and why.
I know this has been a ruff trip for you ...
still looking for the "Papp" water turbine Vid--
As a crowd collectively we can do just as the rich do if we pool our resources together which is what crowdfunding is all about. I am really not looking for Angel investors as they normally come with strings attached. Most of the investors are looking for a return on their investment and are thus the primary reason why we are all in this mess with the climate.
H2Opower
Agree 100%, I met many quite charming, slick talking people who wanted to "invest" in this kind of technology over the years. Save the world they said but the moment they thought they had any control they turned into narcissistic abusive psychopaths.
In the end I came to the conclusion that there is no amount of money they could pay me to have to tolerate there narcissistic abusive bs. Life is short and we only have a given amount of time to live our lives and do the things which make us happy and grow as a person.
Regards
I hear you Onepower as I have been there and done that already. People tried and trap me into working for them or with them with truly one sided proposals. Some of those proposals were so bad that I wouldn't even be able to afford the technology that I figured out.
Anyway, I already have a plan that I am following and at this point in my life I don't think there is anyone that can dissuade me from that plan. I am old and as stubborn as they come and moreover I believe in what I am doing.
Here is how I see things. No one is talking about what I shared on this forum on my thread. I already know this is very new information concerning Meyer's technology to everyone as not a soul has ever talked about Meyer's technology in such a way that I am aware of. Most have brought to me different technologies that really aren't viable solutions instead of talking about what I just shared in an Open Source setting. This is what I see and can go back a few pages to easily prove what I am saying is true. When I say Meyer took this technology with him in death I meant it as I haven't shared how to actually go about mimicking a thunderstorm as I only shared the raw science behind the technology in an attempt to gainer some support for this technology as I move forwards with it.
Meyer was very good at hiding the technology in plain sight as he purposefully left out the primary equation that governs this technology as well as a few other things. He was so good at hiding things that even those that actually held his technology in their hands missed things and thus copied it wrong which is why they were unable to duplicate his work. The main thing that separates me from them is I actually took the time to make use of the scientific method and where it lead me I followed.
Are we thinking in 15% average efficiently ic-engines or 90% ic- engines. ?
https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=10760
IC-engines are not only used as car / ship/plane drive : stationary co-generation plant.( also as range extender ) !
"FE- generator into a motor-genrator wheel with wireless controle"
"FE- generator into a by human flying drone with wireless controle"
IancaIV
It's kind of like listening to people debating the virtues of the best donkey/saddle combination while an F-16 flies over there heads.
the best saddle for a donkey is the one that is most comfortable for the animal not the rider.
an F16 is reduced to scrap metal if the fuel tanks are empty or if a financial group halt supplies.
in our modern advanced society horses are used for nothing more than racing , entertainment or pet food yet for 1000s of years horses were used for transport and work, a much prized possession.
the donkey and F16 is just an example of how 2 worlds are made obsolete by external force. and that peoples choices are not really their own
H2 is still the biggest threat to the same old players. notice all the wind farms around the world ? the same power, has the power and don't want to give the people freedom to break loose of the grip
great to see Ed back on board. ….might be good idea to walk away from the forums tho, doesn't seem to change does it
Anybody care to share results?
Before we talk about more money...
H2O, maybe you have to admit that you were had by a conman and been parotting all those years?
Must be hard on you.
plus a reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCZLQD4IgQ0
To date, no one has presented a convinsing replication of the WFC. I don't want to repeat any names as not to offend.A Breath of fresh air !!
My current search is for a method to apply an SiO2 layer to the tube. Even if I knew, how thick would the layer be?
Meyer stated in his patent the gap in his test cells were 0.625 inch. That is 1.68 mm. I know of commercial 1 mm thick sintered glass filter tubes.
Alternatively,
There is a solution that is called "water glass" which is applied to surfaces for sealing but we want a porous finish
then, I though I can mix some TiO2 with "water glass" before applying it and guess what,
TiO2 under certain condition becomes luminous!
My work will be totally open source. I don't want any money or fame. The only reason I am here is to bounce my ideas around.
Thank you
LUMINOUS ??I’m using cat litter and drain cleaner for SiO2 white oxide for concreters is my source of ti02. It will be interesting to test some metal oxides with SiO2 for some other projects https://youtu.be/Ip-jDuM25FE (https://youtu.be/Ip-jDuM25FE)
https://www.amazon.com/Loudwolf-Titanium-Dioxide-Powder-Ounces/dp/B00I581UEE ?? (https://www.amazon.com/Loudwolf-Titanium-Dioxide-Powder-Ounces/dp/B00I581UEE)A Breath of fresh air !!
plenty to experiment with here [and many "will" be [myself included
thxChet K
PSanother open source experimenter who plays with "Oxides" and may have some thoughts
Fausto here '[member Plengo
https://overunity.com/15035/crystal-cell-research-for-experimenter/msg540088/#new (https://overunity.com/15035/crystal-cell-research-for-experimenter/msg540088/#new)
To date, no one has presented a convinsing replication of the WFC. I don't want to repeat any names as not to offend.
My current search is for a method to apply an SiO2 layer to the tube. Even if I knew, how thick would the layer be?
Meyer stated in his patent the gap in his test cells were 0.625 inch. That is 1.68 mm. I know of commercial 1 mm thick sintered glass filter tubes.
Alternatively,
There is a solution that is called "water glass" which is applied to surfaces for sealing but we want a porous finish
then, I though I can mix some TiO2 with "water glass" before applying it and guess what,
TiO2 under certain condition becomes luminous!
My work will be totally open source. I don't want any money or fame. The only reason I am here is to bounce my ideas around.
Thank you
Aren’t both ideas valid. I think we should be pursuing both
Okay the thread is now yours so feel free to lead everyone away from the science I posted as I will sleep well at knight knowing I did what I promised so many years ago when I finally got at the science behind the patents.
Take care everyone,
8)
Aren’t both ideas valid. I think we should be pursuing both
I did not come here to challenge you. I am aware of all the hard work you have put in to researching Meyer's work.Still you have not demonstrated a convincing replication. This is your thread and I leave now.
Okay the thread is now yours so feel free to lead everyone away from the science I posted as I will sleep well at knight knowing I did what I promised so many years ago when I finally got at the science behind the patents.
Take care everyone,
8)
I did not come here to challenge you. I am aware of all the hard work you have put in to researching Meyer's work.Still you have not demonstrated a convincing replication. This is your thread and I leave now.
I have that video backed up. "Edward Mitchell and Gunther Rattay Interview #3 with John Frazer". I never saw #1 and # 2 published.
There is a video interview of me talking about this technology when I went to the 2013 Global Breakthrough Energy Movement conference held in Boulder, Colorado herd of it, seen it? If so what is the name of the person giving me the interview?
I have that video backed up. "Edward Mitchell and Gunther Rattay Interview #3 with John Frazer". I never saw #1 and # 2 published.
Thank you Edward for imparting more information.
This the thread is "Stanley Meyer Explained" So, I am here to find out the explanation!After so many pages it was time to get a bit of explanation.
I am not surprised they throw spanner in your wheels. I was following your thread years back on
the ??? forum that shut down. Unfortunately that happened before you spill the beans!
This video on above cloud extreme electrical discharge to the ionosphere I thought may have context here. https://youtu.be/H8HpKIUdki8 (https://youtu.be/H8HpKIUdki8)
And in the simplest construction, for example, like this one, will it be possible to get gas in excess of the Faraday law? (over current) If everything is done correctly.At least twice.So that you can fix, measure?
I have not succeeded yet.
Well, good people told me how to prevent some mistakes.I do not need 3000%, at least twice the current output is more than Faraday.That there was an incentive for further success.
In my humble view it is better to know where you are going instead of just picking a direction and going for it when trying to get someplace.
Getting at the core science behind the technology was my way of doing just that as now I know what is to be done and most importantly why it is being done in this manor. Without the core science behind the technology I had no hope of getting the technology up and running as it was more or less like trying to guess up a solution.
Excuse me if not. It’s just that you really need to get something.
But if that doesn't convince you then just put an analog amp meter in line with the power supplyI agree. This is obvious without an ammeter. But we want a miracle, right? :)
I also have a question why many people advise adding soda to the water, or worse, caustic soda.This negates the idea of high-voltage resonant decomposition of water.High voltage simply cannot exist in such a conductive medium.
If this is the current passed through the cell, then the area is the number of kulons passed in one or the other direction. :)
No, this is garbage, and since your gofundme efforts are dead in the water, I guess this is the right thing to call you out in order to keep the facts straight. There is a much better experimenter out there than you, his name is Valyon. Now I am not sure what his level of progress,
but it seems he is farther than you.
Unlike you, he sees value in the paper of Stephen meyers, wich is great, as it is an unexplored avenue.
You dont know more than anybody on this subject, I can go get a stranger down the street, give him my circuit, and he will have progressed farther than you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw4ADWjDt60&t=726s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw4ADWjDt60&t=726s)
Once we try the stephen stup, we can call it a day, and say we explored all Meyer avenues, and confirm that: The meyers were nothing but scamming trash.
If this is the current passed through the cell, then the area is the number of kulons passed in one or the other direction. :)
Unfortunately, I just can’t experiment with a cell and a circuit. I have to spend time repairing equipment to make a living .not enough time. :'(
Another tormented thought. Why do I see all cells are two-dimensional? Be it a cylinder in a cylinder or flat plates.If we have a water molecule is a three-dimensional tetrahedron, then can arrange three electrodes in the form of a three-dimensional grid?
And make full use of your three phases.
You will only do it poorly and feel discoueraged.I'm used to being disappointed.The same cell experimented with such a circuit. It didn’t work.
there is the sites, for what its worth ::)
open-source-energy.org
overunityresearch.com
RWGRESEARCH.com
Yeah pretty much right, many people mistakes HV bubbles with frequency for regular banal electrolysis.
How do distinguish? BIG PRODUCTION. On the electrodes or near the electrodes, if the production is BIG, then its special electrolysis.
Lets say big production = 2x Faraday efficiency.
Well, take radiolysis or photolysis.
There, decomposition products are formed in the entire cell volume, and not on the electrodes.
And this is understandable. If Meyer's technology breaks the covalent bonds of non-ionized water molecules by his resonance,HHO should be generated in its whole volume. and not on the electrode.
I wonder if anyone thought about this?
look up the stephen meyers paper, gas is generated across the whole bath.
read it!
Smoky2, I have seen such banal things before from the people at ionizationx
Its boring.
Have you considered what frequency Meyers was operating at?I do not know how really was. Open sources say that it is several orders of magnitude less than any resonant activity of a water molecule.
What does your microwave do? ??? ?
look up the stephen meyers paper, gas is generated across the whole bath.And that changes the matter.
How many of you have built a Meyers cell to experiment with?Honestly, if exactly according to the documentation, not a single one.
And if Meyer makes low-frequency pauses mechanically, by rotating one electrode?If you are serious about this technology, you need to do the work yourself. Many well meaning people will unknowingly mislead you. For start do a search "meyer wfc 2.456 Ghz". I think this is just a product of imagination
This is highlighted in yellow.
I came up with this myself! :) ;)
And the pistol shrimp is just sitting under his rock laughing...We need to stop repeating things we have heard somewhere else. Come to think of it have you ever seen a pistol shrimp?I know a lot about water but unless I can actually physically demonstrate something in person I stay silent. Still, that is my way.Now which facet of water do you want to know about? I am happy to share all I know for free! I will be conducting some serious experiments in the coming year.
If you think it is imagination, then you should spend a few years
studying water then come back to the table.
This thread was garbage untill I started posting on it.no
The pictures posted here dont even belong to H2Opower,
But to this guy
https://www.youtube.com/user/valyonpz/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/valyonpz/videos)
He has been taking you for a ride.
H2Opower, its wrong to just post pictures as if it was yours.
no
I heard that in yours country give a startup to everyone.
No problem with that. Especially in california. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lO06Zxhu88 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lO06Zxhu88)
So for me I must pull myself up by my own bootstraps which as impossible as it sounds I am learning how to do right now.
H2Opower
For most people including myself this was always the case and there is no free lunch.
The mistake most people make is assuming other people care about anything outside of what serves there own interests. People like to talk about things which give them that warm and fuzzy feeling however reality is very different. So it's best not to buy into the false premise that someone is just going to hold our hand and help us out without getting something of greater value in return.
If someone is all gung ho to help us then they probably want something were unaware of... red flag.
My newest theory is totally self-serving and I decided I'm going to give away FE technology and what I know. Brilliant isn't it?, if everyone is going to try to steal it and ruin our life anyways why not just give it all away and save ourselves some grief?. Why ruin our life on a losing proposition and being controlled by others when we could just do the right thing and feel good about to empowering ourselves.
If you don't like the rules of the game then change the game...
Regards
AC
This is the sad reality of being a Negro in America as the only true way my people can live a better life is for us to pick up and leave this country as that's the only way we're going to get it.Nevertheless in Russia, the majority like to be slaves. This is a very comfortable state for them.
But nothing works for me, nothing works. >:( :(
And "magic" frequencies don't help.
Water only absorbs high frequency energy.
At the same time, it heats up. :)
Edward, even though I respect you for what you've accomplished and your knowledge in the subject, it's sad to read such racial sentiment from you. I'd like to tell you that your problems aren't because you're black, but with today's political environment and anti white rhetoric becoming the norm... well let's face it, if you're white and you don't call other whites racist or white supremacists, you become persona non grata. Instead, I'd just like to say that I hope you learn to accept responsibility for your own failures, even though it may seem easier, or even correct, to blame someone else (e.g. they didn't give me a loan because they were white, etc.). After all, in research we understand that failure breeds success, changing an approach changes the output, so why not also use that philosophy in our daily lives. No matter the pigment of our skin, we can still be successful if we try.
We all have life stories, and though I doubt you’d care to hear mine, I can assure you that mine has been much more negatively affected by black people than yours has by whites. Reality isn’t black and white, and I won’t blame other black folks for the actions of individual men. Just like I won’t bear the responsibility for the actions of the Spanish Conquistadors, the tribal leaders that sold Africans to slave traders, the plantation owners, etc. etc. Nor will I accept blame for whoever threw bricks at you, the police that scared you, etc. We’re responsible for our own actions.
Best of luck in your endeavors, hope you can have a change of heart because that type of hatred is like a cancer that only brings self ruin.
I also noticed that you don't have a differential probeI have it. But in any case, and I can make it myself.
I have it. But in any case, and I can make it myself.
h20power
No disrespect to you, bud, but I have a hard time believing that you don't see the impossibility of selling such tech to the masses. I feel like your real goal is to pick up were Stan left off and actually accept the offer of Billions that Stan claims to have refused. Who could blame you? After all, it's a tough world! But I wouldn't count on things being the same for you as with Stan with regards to any billion dollar offers. These days, why pay out billions and leave a loose end when things can be taken care of by any old crack head for a $20 rock?
Just food for thought.
A death threat? What part of "No disrespect to you, bud," did you not understand?
I'm simply telling you how I see things from MY perspective! The world is RULED by people who sell energy to us. Do you really think that they would allow anyone to upset their gravy train? What you do is your business! If you think that you can buck the system, then more power to you!
I read your post quit clearly and if you think your, "No disrespect to you, bud," comment makes things all fine and dandy I say to you, "Dis some bull-shit!." Your post comes from a defeatist perspective where you have already given up the fight for your children's future. Or if you have no children given up the fight for the children of others. There is always a risk when doing something and one must weigh which one will leave them worse off and I say to sit back and do nothing as the planet's ability to support life is threatened is the worse case possibility.
With this I think that I am in the wrong place as very clearly no one here seems to know my worth.
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With this I think that I am in the wrong place as very clearly no one here seems to know my worth.
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions
h20power
Let me ask you something,
Are you familiar with patent law? If you are, then you know that you can't use Stan Meyer's tech with out legal authority. You can't use Stan's tech to solicit donations and you can't build and sell Stan's tech without legal authority. Do you have legal authority to build and sell Stan's tech? If not then no matter what you say about defeatist rhetoric, etc, you will not only NOT be able to sell tech based on Stan's patents, but if you have used Stan's tech to solicit donations then you have also put yourself in legal peril with the law. You can make up whatever nonsensical interpretations that you want about anything I've said to you or anyone else, but guess what bud, YOUR interpretations mean squat in a court of law! All you have done is make claims that you know how to make Stan's tech work, those are just words and mean nothing to no one! So you've been able to get some voltage to the WFC. BIG DEAL! Do what Stan did and then MAYBE someone will take you seriously. Until then, you should stop barking up trees looking for any way you can to get something for free! ALL my opinion, which I'm entitled to under the UNITED STATES Constitution!
P.S. I'm all for bucking the system. But I'm not for doing it in a way that will cause me harm legal or otherwise. All I've done in my posts is try to get you to see the big picture with regard to this tech to HELP you, NOT deter you! But if you choose to read my comments otherwise, then be my guest! But by all means, please keep pursuing this tech. If you should happen to find a way around Stan's patent's, then all the better. But please be aware of the law, not as a deterrent to your pursuit, but as motivation to do it the right way!
Can you, with this technology, create a high potential difference in another electrically conductive liquid, not water?
And yet, gases should be released in the entire volume of water, and not on the electrode itself.
Is not it ?
Ed
It will take courage ...you seem to have in abundance !
Perhaps we can change more for our children than just our energy issues...
Thx
Chet
To me you simply don't exist in my world a pure nobody that has attempted to get me to stop what it is I am planning and failed.
Each car owner is allowed to modificate his internal combustion engine to hydrogen/fuel-mix combustion !
My understanding of this technology will allow me to go in many directions Meyer was never allowed to go in due to his untimely death back in March of 1998.I have long been tormented by doubts, is this so? Have any of you seen him dead?
The fact is that I don't even need water decomposition and gas evolution HHO yet.
Just i want to look with at least one eye at some resonances in the water.
So that it does not heat up, converting all the RF power into heat.
So that it behaves like a capacitor. ???
https://overunity.com/7030/stanley-meyer-explained/ (https://overunity.com/7030/stanley-meyer-explained/) 2009
Nowhere something written about the technology performance ! The costs ! The minimum maintenance skills from the later owner !
compared :
2021 " water fuel cell " offer by many promotors ,here car installation specific:
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"saltwater burns"- myth John Kanzius technologySo it is possible not to work in this direction? Because I'm making a powerful generator now at 31 MHz.
And what energy from sourse electricity does the dissociation of an oxygen molecule into atoms (free radicals) require in a glowing electric discharge?
What I'd like to know is just where all the power to continually ionise oxygen is coming from in the first place?
Success is measured by the determination to make it work, and successful we shall be!
Let me in if you want me to post photos my my WFC solution that was different than Meyer's solution, okay?What does this mean?
I understood. Thank you. :)
Be that as it may, I have not yet managed to have more gas output than by Michael Faraday.
In WFC was always a analog ammeter in the circuit. For control of the constant current component.
How many coulombs of electricity were passed through the cell, so much gas was obtained.
And it was never possible to get more than a few tens of volts per cell. :(
Although I know, in radio engineering, even copper can be the perfect insulator.
This is when, for example, in long lines there are quarter-wave short-circuiting bridges ...
I don’t know how to say it exactly in English, but I hope you will understand me.
But with these cell sizes, frequncy it should be many gigahertz ...
didn't know that thunderstorms will produce large amounts of hydrogen and oxygen gases when the conditions are right for them to do so.It's true ?It's true ?
As for the frequencies this technology operates at it's around 5-12 kHz depending on the size of the resonant cavities and the inductance of the inductors used.I don’t understand anyway.
I don’t understand anyway.
The distance between the electrodes in the cell is millimeters.
The wavelength at 12 kHz is 25 kilometers. 300000000/f.
Just note that these WFC capacitors are in fact variable capacitors which is why there must be a resonance PLL system to lock on to and maintain resonance. As more and more gases are generated those gases displace the dielectric between the plates of the capacitor and it's capacitance goes down. This changes the resonant frequency which is why a PLL is needed in the circuit and it too must be fast enough to keep up with the changes in frequency as the voltages are raised/lowered.Okay, I agree with that. :)
Take a look ...The temperature is far from 100 degrees. Some kind of gas is released.
Raises the piston. The frequency is about 31.6 MHz. There is an antenna matching device that allows the generator to match any load. :) This thing is part of a VHF radio station.
p.s.
Today it occurred to me that if you try to dissociate into atoms in your resonant cell, not water, but, for example, alcohol or acetone.The binding energy of hydrogen there is much less than in water with oxygen. it will be easier to break.
In order for me to evaluate this I'd need to know at what temperate and pressureThe pressure is atmospheric. Temperature cannot be measured with an electronic thermometer, RF interference.I will find a suitable glass thermometer, I will inform you.
what mechanism does a water molecule disintegrate in you?What did you want to get? Wanted to get hydrogen from a high-frequency field? Then it is necessary, like Kanzius, to use a strong field. "Flame Discharge"
What did you want to get?I wanted like Edward's ... Or better. ;) joke. :)
Can you measure a 0.3% increase in gas yield?No.
For quick monitoring of hydrogen production, I recommend using a hydrogen sensor like this Arduino small module on base MQ-8 or better, :Thanks.
For low electricity input and high hydrogen/oxygen splitting we can use chemical strong active elements likeI have paint "serebryanka" (silver) (aluminum powder.) :)
aluminium,but now in nano-grains = high surface area per gram !
Aluminum nanopowder is not a catalyst as it reacts chemically with water?
Aluminum is consumed to produce hydrogen like conventional fuel.
What did you want to get? Wanted to get hydrogen from a high-frequency field? Then it is necessary, like Kanzius, to use a strong field. "Flame Discharge"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyZuel2iaBk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyZuel2iaBk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quXa90HojfM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quXa90HojfM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AQmaAEyTic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AQmaAEyTic)
If the terminal is wetted with salt water:
- place the electrode in water, or
- put a cotton swab moistened with salt water on the terminal, the length and brightness of the discharge flame greatly increases Water ionizes and decomposes, but at such temperatures it burns again.
The increase, if there is, is small.
In general, how much gas addition did you want to get with conventional electrolysis?
0.3% can add a high-frequency field to the required energy consumption for conventional electrolysis.
Can you measure a 0.3% increase in gas yield?
It is likely that in electrolysis with a very low DC voltage, at which there will be a very small gas yield. It is desirable to create a vacuum for better separation of oxygen and hydrogen. But I suppose that with this method, the percentage of the increase will also be small.
For quick monitoring of hydrogen production, I recommend using a hydrogen sensor like this Arduino small module on base MQ-8 or better, :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9zi7mYDTIQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9zi7mYDTIQ)
This Arduino sensor module works without Arduino.
An ordinary voltmeter and a 5 volt power supply from a mobile phone charge are enough.
The sensor is of course cheap and not very accurate.
We need to find another way, how to turn 0.3% into 300%
Thank you. But so no one answered by what mechanism the water molecule divides?
Most likely, the proton will be separated from oxygen together with its electron.
Because there is no electrode similar to conventional electrolysis.
That would discharge the ion ...
And I will give you many ideas for free. :)
Today it occured to me. But look what I came up with.
If are your kilohertz by Mayer
do directly in water by the beating frequency method.
mixing higher frequencies. ;)
As for the frequencies this technology operates at it's around 5-12 kHz depending on the size of the resonant cavities and the inductance of the inductors used.the sound wave would probably have comparable cell sizes and frequencies.
kolbacict : beginning with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_bonding_of_waterWe know a little. True, we forgot a lot. It was a long time ago. I have a diploma in chemistry. :)
+ agent ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrocatalyst
Pressure,temperature,.....
Since you've went away from Meyer's research I hate to be the one to tell you this but this thread of mines simply is no longer for you.I just don't have a choice. I have no vacuum resin and no money either. :D
a space gap of just 0.8128 mm and in the one shown just 0.254 mm.Well, I later came up with a cell with an adjustable distance between parallel stainless steel electrodes. Made from a disposable syringe. The distance can be reduced until it touches.
Without using any semiconductor or lamp diode.It is not necessary to have a diode as electronic part for AC rectification. Under certain conditions, the contacts of the cell are capable of of self- rectifying:
It is not necessary to have a diode as electronic part for AC rectification. Under certain conditions, the contacts of the cell are capable of of self- rectifying:
- cell contacts are made of different metals or metals with different oxide film thicknesses. Some metal oxides, not just aluminum, are capable of rectifying alternating current.
- even two electrodes with different surface areas conduct alternating current to the electrolyte differently, e.g. needle and rectangle, fine wire and tube
https://simplifier.neocities.org/rectifier.html (https://simplifier.neocities.org/rectifier.html)
http://no3m.net/2016/02/electrolytic-rectifiers/ (http://no3m.net/2016/02/electrolytic-rectifiers/)
Well, I later came up with a cell with an adjustable distance between parallel stainless steel electrodes. Made from a disposable syringe. The distance can be reduced until it touches.
Did not help. Only boiled water there. :)
But I want to say, although according to Meyer, the gas output has not turned out so far, only according to Faraday, I came up with many interesting things. 8) ;)
For example, would you got an electrolysis product (according to Faraday,yet) :( using only alternating current of low and high frequency? Removable directly from the secondary winding of the transformer.
Without using any semiconductor or lamp diode. And I have achieved this.
I don't know who this Sergh person isAs far as I understand, you are located territorially, in the same place as me.
This video explains why I use Schottky diodes:Yes, but I don’t know high voltage Schottky diodes ...
As far as I understand, you are located territorially, in the same place as me.
He, in general, is not a stupid person, and about his remarks above, rectifying alternating current on an aluminum electrode, I agree.Yes, but I don’t know high voltage Schottky diodes ...
But I figured out where the beggar can get a high-voltage fast diode with a large pulse current. :)
You just need to take a magnetron from a microwave oven and remove the ring magnets from it.
high voltage Schottky diodesbut if I read Stanley Meyer's original patent US5149407, Page 19 (6), Line 10:
but if I read Stanley Meyer's original patent US5149407, Page 19 (6), Line 10:
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/d0/de/ef/9a5c1da561dabd/US5149407.pdf (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/d0/de/ef/9a5c1da561dabd/US5149407.pdf)
Stanley Meyer patents this type of diode :
1N1198
"Power Rectifier for general purpose power supply application" 600 V 18 A
https://datasheetspdf.com/pdf-file/532202/AdvancedSemiconductor/1N1198/1 (https://datasheetspdf.com/pdf-file/532202/AdvancedSemiconductor/1N1198/1)
This is ordinary old rectifier diode.
At a potential difference of, for example, U = 2 V and a molecular thickness of d = 0.4 nm, the electric field strength is E = 5000 kV/mm To compare this figure with values from other capacitor types requires an estimation for electrolytic capacitors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolytic_capacitors), the capacitors with the thinnest dielectric among conventional capacitors. The voltage proof of aluminum oxide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum_oxide), the dielectric layer of aluminum electrolytic capacitors, is approximately 1.4 nm/V. For a 6.3 V capacitor therefore the layer is 8.8 nm. The electric field is 6.3 V/8.8 nm = 716 kV/mm, around 7 times lower than in the double-layer. The field strength (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_strength) of some 5000 kV/mm is unrealizable in conventional capacitors. No conventional dielectric material could prevent charge carrier breakthrough. In a double-layer capacitor the chemical stability of the solvent's molecular bonds prevents breakthrough.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-layer_capacitance#cite_note-3)
Hi Edward,
The fact that your coils make a ringing sound has direct bearing on one of my non-Meyer projects (Star Trek phaser). Normally, I try to repay information with information, but you're so advanced in your field, compared to me, that there's nothing I might say to help you. So I sent a hundred to your go fund me account. Thanks again.
I wish everyone else would try to help a little too. Everyone of us is going to benefit once you get everything sorted out, and have the equipment you need to get the cost down.
And at frequencies of tens of megahertz, we can use generally non-contact electrodes. For example, covered with glass or ceramics. :)You can find industrially produced devices that work on a similar principle.
I am tormented with my tank radio station.
In fact, there are two independent paths for the upper and lower frequency ranges.
But so far unsuccessful, they do not want to work at the same time.
Trying to run them at the same time. In order to have a difference frequency in a cell.
After all, we can create directly in the cell, any difference frequency of two generators.
You want five kilohertz, you want twelve ...
And if the phases of the two high-frequency oscillations are synchronized, this will not lead to heating of the water, will it?
And at frequencies of tens of megahertz, we can use generally non-contact electrodes. For example, covered with glass or ceramics. :)
https://dokumen.tips/documents/a-high-frequency-titration-apparatus.htmlWell, again, those who were before me stole my best ideas ... :)
Well, again, those who were before me stole my best ideas ... :)
So I guess my answers to your questions was of no use to you,I did not say that.
Folks need to understand that you can't do this your own way, you can't run around making up the rules as you go along,What can I do, right now I can’t have anything but my own brains. The person who promised me to talk to our bourgeois did not do it today. There is no one to count on, no one to rely on in this country.
74LS90 the microcircuit divides the input frequency tenfold.
What is our thyristor switching frequency, at maximum division, 1 Hz? :o
And on the switch, at the bottom it says for some reason the division step two?
Well, I'll do it today, anyway. :)
p.s. Here, I found it.This is about the previous question.
Outlined in red, is this not a dynamo?
p.s. Are these factory bifilar chokes suitable for your design 8XA ?
Or should I make my own?
https://youtu.be/9gqyG3_2gYY (https://youtu.be/9gqyG3_2gYY)
OK. Well, there is gas. Goes well.
But I measure the current in a circuit of about one ampere.
I'm afraid if I do the math, everything will be Faraday again.
The voltage from the secondary winding of the transformer is 120 volts. few?
Just a control pulse generator of my own design. I have manufactured before, for other applications.
I decided to use the ready-made one. The thyristor opening frequency varies from units of hertz to units of kilohertz. Decoupling from the power circuit is not through an optocoupler, but through a transformer. :)
p.s. oscillation frequency only mains frequency 50 Hz. No high frequency fillings are observed.
Taken with a differential probe on the cell itself. The water heats up. :(
In general, where should they come from, these high-frequency oscillations?
The thyristor opened with a control pulse, at the end of the half-wave of the mains supply voltage (50 or 60 Hz.) It closed.
p.s. Maybe the dimensions of the electrodes in your picture are in inches?
p.p.s. I also wanted to say about your vacuum resin. I was repairing CRT TVs.
Sometimes it was necessary to insulate a burned-out high-voltage wire till 30kV.
No cambric, PVC tubing, duct tape could do it.I came up with the idea of using ordinary silicone for this.
Maybe it will work in your case? :)
The high frequency oscillations come from the 9xb part of the circuit as that's the part of the circuit that is for tuning thingsI assumed it. This can be shock excitation by a sharp rise front when the thyristor opens.
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Thank you ... But this is all according to Faraday.
And I wanted according to Mayer, or at least according to Mitchell ...
"Good to see that you caught that Alan was leading you in the wrong direction"
The chinese discovered the "hho" hype and have designed and professionally fabricated complete parts ready to use, like pulser modules and cells, filters and arrestors, no more need to mess and mill parts yourself. They also sell well made hho welders and bedini setups for peanuts. If the vic works and cop exceeds 1, they'll "steal" it too. They are opportunistic and ain't wasting time.
Meyer was ahead of his time:
https://www.nature.com/articles/nenergy201772 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nenergy201772)
My version of the thyristor circuit, 8XA ? Only one arrester.
The voltages are high, you can make at least a few kilovolts.
Subsequently, a bifilar choke was added to the cell circuit.
And no free vibrations were noticed on the cell. A single impulse and that's it.
But again, everything is according to Faraday. >:(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEgv8zIFccc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEgv8zIFccc)
I think Meyer never mentioned the resonant frequency of water, only resonance of the LCL charging network, so a high Q voltage forms over each component. Then phase manipulation by means of the coil setup (partnered opposite output coils) must oppose / delay current while allowing polarization through displacement current by an external voltage field instead of the charge integral. Polarized water creates a voltage by itself, that's probably how the watercap will hold an electrostatic field potential, until it releases electrons (ionization) and the covalent bind breaks and the electrons can be consumed by the amp consuming device. Current is equal, each component's voltage phase differs.
correct me if I'm wrong.
I still do not see why you just don't fully copy what Stanley Meyer did and go from there?No no. I do not need employment. I somehow myself.
And if instead of the second electrode in the cell, you use the capacitance of a solitary conductor.
Which is not connected to anything, but has enough capacity.
Provided that the frequency is high enough.
A certain volume of water can be used as a secluded container.
Edward,you should contact Moses West and join forces:
(extracting drinking water from the atmosphere efficiently)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxQE_rQYWuM
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxQE_rQYWuMHe)He transformed it into a product and it is being sold, maybe he can help you shape a product.
About the location of the electrodes in accordance with the geometry of the water molecule.
I suggested a year ago. For example, four electrodes in form a tetrahedron repeating
the geometry of a molecule. But I was then ignored. they didn't payed attention.
But you simply will not follow my lead and as a result have not gotten any high voltage to your WFC, but wait you don't even have a WFC because you never moved to build one in the first place.What am i to do? :)
The answer lies in the coils, study these, you must be able to make it with little money. Alixp sells most what you need, like many types of cores.
Lookup hyiq on youtube to understand the winding of the coils. I think the current in the two bucking coils [on the same core, one CW, other CCW wound] must create a changing magnetic flux in the direction so that it opposes/impedes the current in the other bucking coil. Voltage by means of transformer action will appear on each winding on the secondary + chokes, emf adds up but current won't flow.
Or try to make the steam resonator first.
stainless steel with coating to add real resistance for power dissipation,I agree with that. :)
https://youtu.be/DkkUBW7aJ2I (https://youtu.be/DkkUBW7aJ2I)
VIC transformer from Russia.
None of my comments, just a link.
Just one question, the high voltage winding is wound with high resistance wire.
really stainless steel ??
it's seems I am just talking to folks who are deaf.Do you actually release gas in the entire volume of water between the electrodes?
Do you actually release gas in the entire volume of water between the electrodes?
Or it is in the narrow zone on the surface plate only ?
From my observations the gases are produced right in the middle right between the two electrodes and the area of gas production grows the higher the voltages are raised.This is more interesting ... :)
I am keeping the voltage within ±5 volts of each other with the positive voltage most of the time just 5 volts above the absolute value of the negative voltage.And where (in what place) do you have kilovolts?
This is more interesting ... :)And where (in what place) do you have kilovolts?
Hi Alan,Thanks, I don't fully agree.
Just so you know our messiah, Yahushua, wasn't put to death on a cross but was lynched in a tree read Acts 5:30 for confirmation. Basically the King James Bible must be tossed out as the heathens took to the scriptures rewriting them in their own image and the result of that massive rewrite is the King James Bible. In their version they took out the creators name, the name of his son, and changed most of the names of his chosen people to reflect names that sounded like it came from their culture. The word they use to justify all of this is "Transliteration" which is when a group of them sat around and gave themselves the authority to make changes to anyone's history they came across. A lot of people don't know this but as late as 600 AD many of those people in the European countries not only didn't have any written communication skills but no oral communication skills either. Basically they are a people history forgot as they haven't much of a history to be proud of.
I tossed out that heathen rewrite years ago and replaced it with the Cepher where all of the names have been restored and most of the books the heathens took out have been put back into the scriptures. In many places it reads quite a bit differently as the heathens made changes in many areas of the scriptures so that basically they would be worshiped and obeyed by those they indoctrinated when they set out with their ships to spread the "Good News" armed with guns, swords, and the Bible as it was a mission to concur the known world by force.
They have things so twisted that they actually have people praying to be killed by the creator when he returns as to be "Taken" means to be killed: [size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_UgEBla2OI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_UgEBla2OI)[/size] It's sad to see this but they don't call Christianity "The Strong Delusion" in the scriptures for no reason. The only way to awake from the Strong Delusion is with the truth and for me that truth was learning that the letter "J" was created/invented in 1478. With that truth I began to see through their lies and deceptions.
Anyway I thought it was important for you to know that our messiah wasn't put to death on a cross but lynched in a tree as the whole cross thing is a Roman attribute.
Shalom,
Edward Mitchell
In the film "Pulp Fiction" a verse from Ezekiel ch.25 is read.
This is not in our Bibles.
and I will perform great vengeance on them with fierce punishments; and they will know that I am the Lord when I take My vengeance on them.
Ezekiel 25:17 - Eze 25:17: https://bible.by/verse/26/25/17/ (https://bible.by/verse/26/25/17/)
Only starting with these words is this text.
Could you please provide a link to the original where the full text is available?
Sha'ul became Paul.This is the rapture based on, not Matthew 24 which is about the end of Jerusalem in AD70, see ligolier's, last days according to Jesus.1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
This is to Kolbacid and Alan,
In the Cepher it reads as follows: Yechezq'el - Ezekiel 25:12-17 Thus says ADONAI YAHUAH; Because that Edom has dealt against the house of Yahudah by taking vengeance, and has greatly offended, and revenged himself upon them; 13. therefore thus says ADONAI YAHYUAH; I will also stretch out my hand upon Edom, and will cut off man and beast from it; and I will make it desolate from Teyman; and they of Dehan shall fall by the sword. 14. And I will lay my vengeance upon Edom by the hand of my people Yisra'el: and they shall do in Edom according to my anger and according to my fury; and they shall know my vengeance, says ADONAI YAHUAH. 15. Thus says ADONAI YAHUAH; Because the Pelishtiym have dealt by revenge, and have taken vengeance with a despiteful heart, to destroy it for the old hatred; 16. Therefore thus says ADONAI YAHUAH; Behold, I will stretch out my had upon the Pelishtiym, and I will cut off the Kerethiym and destroy the remnant of the sea coast. 17. And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am YAHUAH, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them.
Now the reasons why I tossed out the KVJ is in Rev 22:18-19 it tells us very clearly no one shall make changes to the scriptures but these fools went ahead and did it anyways. There is but one name given unto man that can be used for the remission of sins and that name is Yahushua. For most Hebrew names have meaning and the meaning of Yahushua is YAH is salvation or Yahweh saves depending on what translation you read. The children of Yisra'el are us Negros as only we fit the prophecies as name a people who were taken into captivity by way of ships to the four corners of the globe? Our forefathers messed up and didn't keep their end of the covenant that was made with YAHUAH in the wilderness and we got punished accordingly as a result and those curses had a duration of 400 years. For some of us the 400 year duration of the curses is up and as a result we are waking up to the truth of our heritage. Those people in the land of Israel right now are just gentiles just as the scriptures says they are as they have no blood ties to the seed of Yisra'el.
These people whom made the changes to the scriptures have killed millions to keep the lie they created going as their true goal was for world conquest and world domination not for the salvation of mankind. Again to be TAKEN means to be killed as Yahushua gave an analogy stating it will be just like the floods of Noah as the people knew not what was going on until the floods took them away, and without skipping a beat the messiah says, two shall be in the field and the one shall be TAKEN and the other LEFT BEHIND. Again his analogy was the floods of Noah where the floods TOOK them all away. Took and Taken have the same meaning in this context so trust me you do not want to be TAKEN. LEFT BEHIHND and to be alive and REMAIN have the same meaning. If you leave something on the table at your house it will remain there until you come back for it yes? They love to leave that part of the scriptures out of their teachings where it says those who are alive and remain shall be caught up in the ski with him when he returns. We all have to go through the great tribulations as there is no escaping it as these wicked churches teach today unless you die before it happens.
Once one is dead the book of their life is closed and no amount of prayer can change the outcome of their life when their book is read and judged by YAHUAH.
Names matter as it's not Paul but Sha'ul, not Moses but Moshe. To change someone's name in history is to erase them from history. From my studies the name Jesus = Zeus and note they have the same birthdays and many other things as they created their messiah out of thin air as their messiah never walked this earth and they fashioned Jesus after Cesare Borgia which has no bearing on the description of our messiah Yahushua found in the scriptures. These lies they tell are very old but they are lies none the less. Their aim was if they tell a lie long enough it becomes the truth and from the looks of it they were very successful in that regards as for a time even I believed their lies. This awakening that is happening right now is only happening to the children of Yisra'el as it is us the got put under the curses of Deuteronomy for the sins of our forefathers.
Hey H2O
I would like to offer a little advice...
I'm an Engineer, a specialist in energy systems and I'm the guy other people hire to look at systems people like you claim to have. It's not a big deal in my opinion and I usually only offer my opinion based on the facts I can prove. There in lies the problem for many because I can roll into any situation and generally prove the facts of any matter within hours.
That's the thing isn't it?, one can use his words and claim any number of things until the cows come home. Make extraordinary claims of all kinds and do there best to try to convince others what there saying is true. It's cool however the bullshit generally ends when I show up because as I said, I am a specialist in energy systems and can determine what is fact and what is not damn near by first impression. Do you know what gives most away?, they have no idea what there talking about nor what energy is.
Do you know what I learned in all my travels as a FE consultant?, the people who have the most to offer often talk the least. They do not try to offer nonsensical excuses or explanations but look one in the eye and say here is my working device... you try and disprove it bitch. No offense but I do not recognize the fact you may have a different color of skin than my own nor your religion. Who are you to presume the color of our skin or your beliefs differentiates us, that's on you not me. It's BS in my opinion and I could have blue skin, flaming fucking pink hair, one leg and a bionic arm and still consider myself to be a being who can offer something to mankind. It's on you to determine why you feel so oppressed when no free thinking being can be oppressed.
All I can say is claiming to have FE is well enough, whatever, however if you want investors and someone like myself shows up to prove it you better have your facts in order or I'm going to tear you apart limb from limb because I'm an Engineer and a professional... do you understand?.
Regards
AC
Sha'ul became Paul.This is the rapture based on, not Matthew 24 which is about the end of Jerusalem in AD70, see ligolier's, last days according to Jesus.1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
(13) But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
(14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
(15) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
(16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
(17) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
(18) Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
If you say Jesus is from Zeus, then Joshua of Nun is called Zeus too in the septuagint.Act 14:12 And they called Bar-Naviy, Jupiter; and Pa’al, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.Jupiter is translated from Zeus, Ζεύς.
Esau / Edom (remained the same in cepher version) is the brother of Ya'acov and is punished because Hierusalem/Yerushalayim was sacked by Nevukad ne’tstsar and Esau agreed.I prefer the understandable words, so I can understand the bible instead of using words that say nothing in my language and let others decide what the bible says.
Adonai means lord, Elohiym means gods.
Proof that Jesus is based on Yoshua:
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Progressive revelation:
Mat 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.All, therefore hebrew roots is in error.
Joh 1:1 IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with את eth ELOHIYM, and the Word was ELOHIYM.At least it has the trinity:
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the RUACH HA’QODESH: and these three are one.
Edward is an English given name. It is derived from the Anglo-Saxon form Éadƿeard, composed of the elements ead "wealth, fortune; prosperous" and ƿeard "guardian, protector".Why not use the ancient spelling?
Was Stanley Meyer deceived with his giant warior angels vision and Job 38:22? At least he got the Jesus is Lord part right.
The path of the righteous is difficult, for the selfish and tyrants of evil people hinder him. Blessed is the shepherd who, in the name of mercy and kindness, leads the weak along with him through the valley of darkness. For it is he who is the one who truly cares about his neighbor and brings back the children of the lost.Where did Tarantino get them? :o
I showed high voltage being applied to a water fuel cell for the first timeI can do it. Discharging a 10kV capacitor to the electrodes in water, not alloving breakdown.
Curse for breaking the law ('blessing and curse I set before thee'), but God's Son became this curse on the tree. Mystery Babylon rapes the world, not white people. Edom is fulfilled prophecy, it is blotted out as a punishment per prophecy.
Like I said this awakening is only taking place with the house of Israel right now as it is us whom got put under the curses of Deuteronomy where we were made to forget who we were as a people. And to be blunt in answering your question all religions are false as the creator of all things YAH gave man his laws, statues, and commandments to follow and keep forever. The messiah Yahushua didn't come to do away with the law but to fulfill the law. [size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x6-ouOSbJk&ab_channel=TerrenceSmithsr (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x6-ouOSbJk&ab_channel=TerrenceSmithsr)[/size][size=78%] So yes, Meyer too was deceived as Christianity is the "Strong Delusion" spoken about in the scriptures. Yahweh gets his plans done no matter whom he chooses to use to carry out his will and note again Meyer was not the first to make use of water as a source of fuel in a car as that honor goes to Dr. Dingle of the Philippines.
The time of the gentiles is coming to an end. Now I don't fully understand what that means but I do know that those of us YAH chose to be his own have a part to play in the future. The heathens took to the scriptures to re-write them in their own image and they have deceived many leading them right to the lake of fire, kindly. These Christian churches actively teach that the law was done away with and their actions speak louder than words. As they killed millions to keep their lie going as ask the Jewish people as I am sure they will not let you say their people weren't killed by Christians. But when it comes to the Jewish people there role and fate in all of this is to be found in Rev 2:9 and 3:9.
Haven't read your reply fully yet, but I mean something like this, not necessarily China, that was just a simple thought.
https://www.protolabs.co.uk/services/cnc-machining/ (https://www.protolabs.co.uk/services/cnc-machining/)
https://www.3erp.com/services/cnc-machining/ (https://www.3erp.com/services/cnc-machining/)
Lightning is a free lesson by nature/God + no professors to get in the way
Tesla went to a lot of bother and expense to observe lightning
according to science the copper atom contains neutrons, protons and electrons (+money)
out of here
When I studied the tech brief in-depth in the 2000s, I came to the conclusion that the VIC creates lightning condition without the sparks and arcs, to ionize the water molecules that are covalent bonded, until it switches off and breaks down into its components. At the right frequency interaction of impedance effects allows HV while the current is choked by impedance effect of distributed elements at resonance. I think the chokes also function as capacitors, then the circuit resembles the hairpin circuit of Tesla, which creates nodes on a bar by the impedance effect, the bar can be replaced by a water cell and at the right frequency the voltage ripples as a rubber band without current that makes the hairpin dangerous (p=v.i).
The secondary coil just transforms the voltage for the chokes. I think, but I am not sure, that the chokes put i and v back in phase, so v actually appears on the output. I also suspect a 180 degree phaseshift between v and i somewhere, on the cell perhaps, so v & i in phase through the coils and 180 deg on the cell, but it's speculation.
Hi Edward,I believe you 100%. I'm going to try to collect your posts from this topic and read them.
Is your VIC similarly wound as 6-1 and did you also use custom coated ss wire for the 2 chokes?
btw science is catching up:https://chemistry.anu.edu.au/research/research-stories/triggering-bond-cleavage-electric-fields
https://wp.icmm.csic.es/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2015/06/JPCL2010.pdf (https://wp.icmm.csic.es/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2015/06/JPCL2010.pdf)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167732221016731 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167732221016731)
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1611.04677 (https://arxiv.org/pdf/1611.04677)
(haven't looked at it in-depth)
Take care!
Hello here's a thought with the Meyers splitter if you were to set it up to take 20 pounds of psi and add a little turpentine to stop any electrostatic build up you could raise water 20 ft into the air as a air water pump .then collect the gas for a fuel cell or a generator .using it twice should prove over unity .there's a third but its pushing the idea .its collecting the hydrogen at the top and filling a large balloon that would carry a fuel cell and once full send it into the atmosphere on a thin copper line that spins a generator once the fuel runs down it would rewind slowly .there's almost no limit to the strait up with a hydrogen balloon .and the fuel cell inverter would send powder back down the wire .like I said pushing the idea.
Good luck. Shouldn't be hard to crack, if you ignore the fluff he put in the patents and videos to throw off anyone trying to use them to reproduce the effects. Remember, he wanted to make money off of the idea, and what I mentioned is standard practice in both cases concerning such for anyone, including Tesla (why his stuff is so hard to reproduce accurately using the patents).
I have gone over all of his (Stanley Meyers) patents recently since they have all expired, as well as various videos. The videos are generally a waste of time, excepting one where he lets slip a lot more than he realized, where he was trying to impress someone (unknown) with a video camera concerning the famous car.
When it might be viewed, eventually, by someone like me, that is a horrible mistake.
I took notes of the relevant characteristics of how the system worked. This allowed me to weed out a LOT of fluff and BS, like the whole laser thing. The system is based upon a type of resonance, treating the water as a dielectric in a capacitor, intentionally trying for efficiency of dielectric breakdown utilizing high voltage at high frequency. Fifty thousand build types could easily perform the feat, though specific capacitor designs would probably be more efficient. Basically, he used destructive, reinforcing resonance.
I will explain destructive resonance. Destructive resonance does not need a lot of energy, since the amount applied, if exactly at Q, is completely or mostly absorbed within a substance. This has to do with not only the substance material, but by it's shape as well. That is how a certain pitch can shatter a crystal glass over time, since each vibration absorbed makes the glass vibrate harder, until the absorbed energy is sufficient to cause the lattices in the crystals to separate. High frequency electricity is already heck on dielectrics, piercing glass (a usually good dielectric) as if it wasn't there. The problem is that you want a resonating field, and not an arc, which limits the applied voltage to the dielectric, or modifies your capacitor to suit the applied voltage.
You want the water molecules to align, then hit them with a sharp pulse to fracture them at the right time. Concerning the supposed need of a laser -- remember that his videos showing his early working units often had NO light source other than ambient. No other energy source other than the power source, for the device he took to the patent office, as one specific.
Sounds easy right? Its not, rofl, no more than it is easy to knock down a building using destructive resonance, or drill through rock with sound using the same principles, but it can be done.
It is about as easy as accurately tuning an actual Tesla coil to Q, instead of making a Tesla coil shaped device that puts out arcs and can make music. Just because it looks like a Tesla coil and operates on high frequency and voltages, does not make it an intentionally engineered device, whether achieved initially by intention (Tesla) or by accident, trial and experimentation (most inventors like Stanley who start out with a good idea).
Stanley even ripped off some of Tesla's drawings for his patents, which I find hilarious and somehow honorific to Tesla -- both at the same time. He was basing his idea on Tesla's work, so it makes sense, though I think he could have done without that part.
Only the three lobed waveform lines up with explanations, by the way. It would probably be better to use an exciting field to line up the water molecules, then hit with as close to a voltage only (as high as possible without arcing through the dielectric) spike as possible.
I suggest experimenting with tuned D'Arsonval style autotransformer coil if you intend to use capacitive based current spikes instead, as that coil style is high amperage/high voltage/high frequency. 15Watts is 15watts, whether at five volts, five thousand, fifty thousand, five hundred thousand, or five million. However, that fifteen watts continuous can give pulses in the effective rage of hundreds of watts or even megawatts -- if the initial voltage is converted to high voltage and stored in a capacitor and then released as a single pulse, if the duration of the pulse is short enough -- for those reading that don't have a clue. The primary circuit of a properly designed tesla coil will quite possibly put you in the morgue with only 15 watts if touched by bare skin for that very reason, if you have built the design properly that is.
Paul Andrulis
Well, that just proves you are into censoring, whatever.
You can repeat "using scientific method" all you wish, but that changes nothing, as you do not own a license on the scientific method. Anyone who follows the steps below is using the scientific method.
1. Make an observation.
2. Ask questions.
3. Create a testable explanation. (hypothesis if you prefer the term)
4. Create a prediction based on the explanation.
5. Test the prediction.
6. Utilize the new information and repeat from step 1.
Most experimenters use the scientific method, whether they know it or not.
I have not read your work yet, but will give it a look and see whether it matches what I have determined. As far as you "being the only one" that is false, since obviously Stanley at the very least came up with the idea long before you. As far as any information I have, it came directly from Stanley's own mouth or writing. If I want to understand someone's point of view, I don't ask others, I ask them, so to speak. Stanley's patents are all available for download, nothing secret there. Videos of his are still on Youtube, so nothing hidden there either. Either way it doesn't matter since ENOUGH videos are available, with him providing the information personally, to provide the necessary information.
Paul Andrulis
Since there is no way you could know this I spoke directly with Dr. Dingle when he was alive. You know the guy that drove two Presidents in his car with nothing but water in it's tank for fuel back in 1968. But getting to my point all the work I have put into this trying to get at the true science behind the technology is mines and mines alone. Now I gave away the science behind the technology for free as I had made this site a promise that if I got at the science I'd post it for all to have and I kept my promise and did so. Now that science is in the public domain complete with a whole new theory I came up with based on the science I uncovered.
You also don't seem to know that Meyer's injectors never worked and I know the reason why they didn't as Meyer himself also didn't know this information for if he did they why was he creating a research facility to study the technology further? When that theory makes it to the books of science it will have my ugly mug sitting right besides it as that's all I truly want is credit given were credit is due.
As far as I can tell not a soul has managed to put true high voltage to their WFC's since I showed it was possible in the interview video by John Fraser in 2013 while I was at the Global Breakthrough Energy Conference held in Boulder, Colorado. I know Meyer did so but he had been dead for 15 years when I showed a WFC having a applied voltage of 7.4kv to it's plates in a provable manor with all the correct equipment to do so. You see at that time all the science guys were telling me that one could not put a high voltage to a bath of water and when I did it they naturally went and moved the goal post on me saying water couldn't be broken down that way as that would violate the laws of physics. And when I showed a video of me breaking the bonds of the water molecules with high voltage potentials they just starting telling everyone I was cheating somehow. Since all the forums at the time sided with the mainstream science guys I gave up trying to teach anyone this technology and moved on towards trying to put the technology into the marketplace.
I think we are entering into what Arthur C. Clarke called, "The four stages involved in any revolutionary development."
1. It's nonsense don't waste my time.
2. Oh, it's interesting but not important.
3. I always said it was a good idea.
4. I thought of it first.
You see I am already prepared for this and have been preparing for this for a long time now. People are going to be coming out of the woodwork to try and take the credit for my hard work, but my defense against that is time as I figure this technology out a long time ago. Because I'm poor is the only reason why the technology hasn't made it to the market yet as the cost of doing so is on the high side.
All the many times I was told to shove that "Scientific Theory" where the sun doesn't shine, all those times I was told to just give up as it simply wasn't possible, and all the times the entire Open Source community rose up against me to ban me and kick me out of their forums I had to go through and I pressed on despite all of that. It wasn't easy and at times I was thinking of giving up but that is not in my character. That school of hard knocks is a tough one. Each time the Open Source community rose up against me it chipped away at my giving spirit and now I just give what I promised I would give and nothing more. Gunther my partner was surprised of how ignorant I was when it came to matters like these but was also equally impressed at how quickly I learned the ropes. You see I use to share everything in real time as I figured things out, but over time I lost the desire to do that due directly to how I was being treated by the Open Source community for doing so.
Now all of my efforts are to get this technology into the marketplace where it can start repairing all the damage we have done to our world with our use of fossil fuels.
Well, I think I have said enough on this. I hope everyone understands my position on these matters.
Take care,
Edward Mitchell
Do I believe high voltage can be used to crack water molecules? ABSOLUTELY.it is possible to destroy the molecule with high voltage.
it is possible to destroy the molecule with high voltage.
the problem is to create this high voltage in a conductive medium.
I haven't succeeded yet. :(
Without the intent of adding to your no doubt already numerous tasks, I for one would
love to see a complete walk through / explanation, without the questions and answers
and / or the advise of the pool guy and other experts.
Perhaps one day I will move to do that but for now people are going to have to work with what I have chosen to give them,
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which is a lot of you take it all in, yes?
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But I do know what you are talking about as you want everything laid out in a easy to follow manual were all you have to do is take some of the documents to your local machine shop, circuit board builder, and transformer makers and say, "make these for me," correct? You want a complete bill of materials to include where to get those materials from at the cheapest possible prices to also go along with that too, correct?
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I also noticed that you too just ignored the real life question I ask Paul. If you do move to make this technology you too will have to figure out where you will be getting the high voltage transformer resin, getting or building a vacuum chamber, and learning how to get all the air out of the transformer and the resin into it.
But always people want more from me. As they want all of my designs on everything I
have designed for this technology as designing things for themselves just takes too much
time I guess.
I also noticed that you too just ignored the real life question I ask Paul.
"I just got an email from the company I buy the high voltage transformer resin from telling me that they moved locations and now have a new MOQ of 30 gallons (minimum order quantity) with the corresponding hardener which makes the minimum buy for me 60 gallons since the mix ratio is 1:1 for this resin and hardener. How would you deal with this problem?"
Hello,
I am confused about this technology
Can water fuel cell draw any current?
Or
It's need only voltage potential to work?
Yes, it's a stupid question!!
Regards
Vortex 22
Thank you Sir for the nice answer !!
Regards
Vortex 22
Hi,
Now, it's time to learn how to make a high voltage high frequency ac source VIC !!!
i pray for your success be careful
There are a lot of rules one must follow when making high voltage transformers. Here I am vacuum resin sealing the transformer: [size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0gH4IX5r7g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0gH4IX5r7g)[/size] Now the reason for this is to get all the air out as the air will ionize and that ionization will work towards destroying the wire's protective coating. It also keeps the wires from moving around which will also destroy the wire's protective coating as they rub against each other as the transformer is in operation which is typically heard as a ringing sound. Then you must also choose a coating for the wire(s) that can withstand the voltages you will be subjecting them too.
Most of this I had to learn the hard way as even when I went to the Global Breakthrough Energy conference held in Boulder, Colorado, I put the transformers in some oil that was specifically designed for transformers. The problem with that was as though it did prevent the air from ionizing it did nothing for keeping the wires from rubbing together which again would cause the transformers to fail as once the wire's protective coating rubbed off the current will follow the path of least resistance and the current doesn't much care for going through any resistance wire and will go around if allowed to do so. So, instead of going from point A to point B and then point C on it's way to point Z the current will just go directly to point Z and bypass all the other points if allowed to do so. This you can see when you turn the lights off as you will see the blue glow of arching taking place within the transformer bobbins and you can also hear it.
Now it seems someone has went out of their way to make getting the materials needed to make these transformers a bit costly. Depending on which resistance wire you choose to use the cost of getting that wire is going to be on the high side along with the cost to get practically everything for the Voltage Intensifier Circuit. You see that circuit includes not only the transformer but all the other components as well, like the WFC, Blocking diode, and more. I just found out that the cost of the resin has jumped up to $280.00 per liter if you buy small amounts. Now if you can afford to get large amounts the cost isn't so bad but I'm talking more than $5, 500 to get a whole lot of the resin and its corresponding hardener. Everything from the transformer cores to the wire used has gone up in price and I haven't even started talking about getting the WFC made if you aren't planning on making your own.
I am not trying to discourage anyone from attempting to get this technology up and running but just giving everyone a heads up on what's the actual cost of things so that one can better plan for this endeavor. I did a lot of testing and observed the results of each test as I learned how to do things correctly. The first and second differential probes I got were the wrong voltage rating so I had to get a third with a voltage rating of 15kv. I think with some other parts of the technology I might have to get an even higher voltage rated differential probe than I have. If such an thing is required I have learned to just do it as I will not be able to move forwards if I don't. I have seen a lot of people try and buck the system and saw all of them that did so fail at getting this technology up and running as these rules can't be ignored or gone around they have to be followed and done. Anyone thinking that the laws of physics are just going to personally bend just for you will find out the hard way latter on it just doesn't work that way.
Meyer was a capitalist thus he really didn't want anyone following his work. We all need to be made aware of this as then you will start asking the correct questions when trying to solve this technology and not come in with your head full of Meyer's words some of which have no actual meaning in the real world. You have to do your own research making use of the scientific method as it must be figured out the hard way. I did a lot of this research and shared a great deal of what I found out about this technology to include the actual science this technology is mimicking in nature that allow it to break the bonds of the water molecules outside of Dr. Faraday's electrolysis method. Trust me when I say nothing on earth would be alive if they had to follow Dr. Faraday's electrolysis method to break the bonds of the water molecules.
One thing I have learned is this technology must move into mass production as that's the only way to get the cost of this technology down so that folks around the world can afford to own and have it. This is something Meyer, Dr. Dingle, and a few other also knew. Whomever came up with the idea of blocking and/or never giving their support to anyone who tries to profit from this technology is a true enemy of this technology and wishing things to go on like they are right now forever as that statement is for the current fossil fuel run system to keep on going with no end in sight.
Anyone thinking that this is a easy technology to make and can then be just made by anyone with a set of plans in their hands are just lying to themselves as they leave out all whom are abjectly poor, disabled physically or mentally, the elderly, and the young, plus those that find themselves to be all thumbs when it comes to building anything. I didn't make up the rules of the markets as those things were put in place long before I was born and thus like everyone else I too must follow them.
I feel with all my heart this will be the year this technology finally makes it to the marketplace.
Shabbat Shalom Everyone,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions
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Nikola Tesla electric car...Tesla electric car is not about that. :D
Tesla electric car is not about that. :DHello,
There was no hydrogen and no water.
There is aether energy...
This in no way violates the law of physics. If anything, it helps confirm the law of physics beyond what is commonly known. Finding and mimicking the most suitable natural frequencies to split H2O into hydrogen and oxygen is just the top of the iceberg. I played with it for awhile years back and it led me to a better alternative. I won't go there but research John Hutchinson's work with frequencies if you haven't already. Nothing is solid and everything is vibrant which can be altered and or even eliminated using certain frequencies. Keep up the good work it inspires me to get back to work. Thank you 😁
Right now I am unsure of just what to do in order to get this community of nearly 84,000 people to act as the crowd they are and come together in one accord to ensure this technology sees the light of day.
I have broken the technology down to just simple arithmetic, IE, addition and subtraction and still folks aren't able to see or understand this technology. I think this is due to education level as those that are well versed in math and science can see this technology and those that are not well versed in science and math can not see this technology in how I have explained it. Those graphs show this technology is yet another way to go about breaking the bonds of the water molecules outside of Dr. Faraday's electrolysis method scientifically. But since folks don't even know how to read and/or interpret the readings they see on a oscilloscope they fail to understand the explanations I have shown them. Furthermore those graphs show irrefutable proof of just how this technology goes about breaking the bonds of the water molecules with voltage instead of current as done by the electrolysis process.
In this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkjpVcsRQLc&ab_channel=EdwardMitchell (https://youtu.be/EkjpVcsRQLc) Professor Paul CZYSZ states that it practically boils the water and I will add do you think he knows what boiling water looks like? Boiling water does not look like typical electrolysis and here I have shown water being broken down and you all tell me what it looks like to you: [size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW78gKn1ZZ0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW78gKn1ZZ0)[/size]. As you can see I have already shown everyone this technology working correctly and my reward for doing so is to get 0.002% support from the Overunity community. I can assure you that's not going to allow this technology to move forwards and make a difference in our lives. I'd like to think this is because folks don't understand how crowdfunding works so let me give an example of how it works. Say if 50% chose to donate just $2 a month that would be 40,000 x $2.00 = $80,000 a month in funds for this technology to move forwards. This is how crowdfunding allows the many to come together in one accord to make something happen.
Now I don't know the many reasons why folks choose not to support this technology but I suspect it's due to my heritage of being a Negro. Why you might ask? Well, before my heritage was known I was getting a good bit of donations and once that video interview of me at the 2013 Global BEM went viral practically all of my donations came to an abrupt stop. So, from my perspective it's reasonable to assume that happened due to the color of my skin as I went on to actually get the technology working and the support for this technology still remains close to being flatlined. But one thing is for sure is none of you get to complain about high gas prices or higher electric bills as that would make you hypocrites due to the lack of support for a technology that would take those cost away from you.
I have done what I can to get this technology up and running so that it can make a difference in our world but without support none of us will live to see the day this technology actually makes a difference. There are more that 1.3 billion cars on the road that need converting over to this technology and that's only talking about cars and not the many other things we now power by fossil fuels. I will keep moving forwards as best I can but the pace will be slow as I work to build the company from the ground up practically alone. The ball is truly in your court if you want to see this technology make a difference in your lifetimes.
Shalom,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions
https://www.gofundme.com/f/energy-independence-for-you-and-me (https://www.gofundme.com/f/energy-independence-for-you-and-me)
What's preventing him from using the hydrogen as a source of energy so it's self sustaining? An example is for him to buy a membrane to use the hydrogen
and oxygen recombination into 2 electrons and water again? And that might be why they say something is happening. It requires 2 electrons to convert water
into hydrogen and oxygen.
The challenge with hydrogen generation has been where to get the electrons from and how to convert H and O efficiently back into H2O? Right now the most
advanced systems are about 60% efficient. I posted something along this thinking but then I also thought of where the electrons could come from. It's just that
people do need to learn some of the science involved with electrical current, chemistry, etc.
I really don't understand this comment as are you asking me to recombine the hydrogen and
oxygen gases after it comes out of the Water Fuel Capacitor back into water? What purpose
would that serve?
Edward Mitchell
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@H20Power
Really ? You are seriously asking " What purpose would that serve ? "? :)
What is the efficiency in these terms ?
0.29307107 watts is equal to 1 BTU/hour
What is the ratio of the Watts (electrical) input to the BTU/hour output, of the
method you describe ?
@H20Power
A quote from: h20power
I really don't understand this comment as are you asking me to recombine the hydrogen and
oxygen gases after it comes out of the Water Fuel Capacitor back into water? What purpose
would that serve?
End of that quote
@H20Power
Really ? You are seriously asking " What purpose would that serve ? "? :)
What is the efficiency in these terms ?
0.29307107 watts is equal to 1 BTU/hour
What is the ratio of the Watts (electrical) input to the BTU/hour output, of the
method you describe ?
@H20Power
Quote from H2Opower 04/23/22
"Since I have made improvements to the technology improving it's efficiency I consider
that type of information company business and will not be talking about it with anyone."
END of that quote
Energy density and water vapor as the only byproduct.
These are two of the qualities which make hydrogen desirable as a fuel.
Stating the obvious...
Given that the production method requires an energy source, it follows that
stating / demonstrating the efficiency of the ratio of the input energy to the usable
output energy is the bottom line.
The method does not have to be O.U., just an improvement over conventional
electrolysis, in order that it has merit.
A quote from: h20power
I really don't understand this comment as are you asking me to recombine the hydrogen and
oxygen gases after it comes out of the Water Fuel Capacitor back into water? What purpose
would that serve?
End of that quote
@H20Power
Really ? You are seriously asking " What purpose would that serve ? "?
What is the efficiency in these terms ?
0.29307107 watts is equal to 1 BTU/hour
What is the ratio of the Watts (electrical) input to the BTU/hour output, of the
method you describe ?
So...
Your saying that to date, the method you are (no longer) presenting is less
viable than the more conventional methods we already have access to.
Are you then, asking for investments in some future possibility that a next
version will yield better, in to out, results ?
partial quote
What I am saying is in order for you to get the information you are seeking you, or someone you know that is willing to share the information with you, are going to have to make use of the scientific method on this technology building, testing, observing the results, and asking and answering questions, and if it doesn't work try, try again until you get the technology up and running. I believe that is the only way you are going to get the information you are seeking from me. If you wait on the others that are still working on this technology to provide the answer to your questions I can tell you from the looks of it you are going to be waiting for a very long time before their ships are ready to leave the harbor.
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions
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You see "they" do not want this technology if it is to come from a NegroNot true. I want. I would take technology even from a Martian. ;)
You are such a shame for all colord people.
Using discrimination as a tool to make you look good...
But that what you do when somebody tells you the real truth.
You poor soul.
Not true. I want. I would take technology even from a Martian. ;)
I don't have any money, unfortunately. :(
And I can't work out anything myself. :)
Hi Edward,
people want to see bubbles before they consider donating.
I am sure that the tech works, both output coils counter each other by mutual inductance when current wants to go, while voltage is allowed by transformer action of the two output coils added upon the voltage of the copper secondary coil.
Regards
Looks good, are those amps going into the cell or into the primary coil?
Do you have progress to show from a later moment?
If you can feed the gas into a generator and power a device, while monitoring VIC (input) and device (output) power, people will be convinced that your claims are true.
We all know how to charge a water capacitor to it's voltage dielectric breakdown ! ! ! There is no magic about that
We can do that using only milli amps.
But it's possible to do that using only voltage and zero amps. I have done that many times with the mains ( 220 v ac / 50 hz)
So it makes sense to try it using high voltage and high frequency
! 10 kV / 30 kHz !!!
But
Can we have the same results using only 220 v and 50 Hz ?
Thank you so much !!!
If you build a cell with the plate spacing really close say around .001" then that might be possible, but for a cell built to what Don Gable shared with us works only when the voltage potentials are 1kv per resonant cavity. So, if you have a WFC with 12 resonant cavities then it will require a minimum of 12kv of potential difference to get it to start working as each resonant cavity in the series array needs 1kv to reach the threshold for ionization of the atoms that make up the water molecules, IE, hydrogen and oxygen atoms.
But at any rate what you are speaking about would need to be tested in the real world not just talked about in order to know if it would work or not, but the waveform will still look like the one I showed at that is the primary means of restricting amps from flowing through the WFC. I ran a test that showed a drop in the required voltage needed that had a plate spacing of 0.032" instead of Meyer's 0.095". I have even built a cell with 0.010" plate spacing as shown below. Basically what it all comes down to is learning how to build the transformers correctly and that will only come from trial and error type testing the old fashion way.
Shalom,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions
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The best materials used for WFC construction, according to the water pH level?
It's very nice to hear from you!!
The best materials for the housing to use are Delrin, Acetal, and Nylon, but you can also use some Acrylic so that you can see things but it is not necessary. For any metal that comes into contact with the water you must use Stainless Steel.
In the future True Green Solutions will be offering kits that will allow people to become energy independent but for now I must keep to trying to raise the capital I need to make this dream happen.
Shalom,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions
https://www.gofundme.com/f/energy-independence-for-you-and-me (https://www.gofundme.com/f/energy-independence-for-you-and-me)
Thanks for the show of support and with that I will share something I just figure out not too long ago.Hi Edward,
Well, in this post I have some good and bad news depending on your current level of involvement with this technology. It seems the gap between the electrodes was called out wrong by Don Gable as it conflicts with what Meyer has written in the technical brief. This explains a lot to me in what I have been seeing with my experiments in that it requires a whole lot of voltage to get the WFC up and running correctly. The first time I got the technology working with my little three cell setup the plate spacing was just 0.0320". Then came Don Gable telling us the plate spacing was supposed to be 0.095". Now for those of you that don't know the larger the distance between the electrodes the higher the voltage requirements will be to get to the threshold of ionization for the atoms will be. This has cause me to really design and build the transformers to a degree I don't see many others are capable of. Learning how to design and build a high voltage transformer takes a good bit of study and practice to do correctly. The reason why such high voltages are needed is directly due to Don Gable telling everyone that the space gap was supposed to be 0.095".
Now we can't blame everything on Don Gable as we all should had done our own reading very carefully of all of Meyer's material on our own so in essence we have only ourselves to blame for being so trusting and not doing our own work. I stumbled across this while looking for more information on Meyer's gaseous injection system, didn't find anything, but that is when I read this.
As for me I should have listened to what my experiments were telling me as I did get the technology working with a space gap of just 0.0320". So, the good news is that now I have it in writing what the gap between the electrodes is supposed to be but the bad news is Don Gables stuff is in a most of my designs and I suspect this is the same for most of you with your builds. Now you will still have to master how to design and build high voltage transformers but they will no longer require to go much over 20kv. I think the WFC I currently have will require around 14-18kv just to get the process started. Thus my reaching 10kv was nice but not good enough to start the electrical polarization process due to the space gap between the electrodes was too large.
Now my reason for looking into the gaseous injection system is that is more than likely the direction I will be heading in with True Green Solutions, though I have other things planned as well with this technology to get into. I have a lot of work ahead of me but I am willing to get it done as the world needs this technology now more than ever. I come on this forum now seeking the support of the people as it's going to take a grass roots effort to topple the fossil fuel industries.
Again thanks for the show of support everyone,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions
https://www.gofundme.com/f/energy-independence-for-you-and-me (https://www.gofundme.com/f/energy-independence-for-you-and-me)
Hi,
It's possible to use this HHO gaz for cooking food or heating?
Hi Edward,
This will be a direct replacement for most of what we use fossil fuels for now. So, yes we can cook our food, heat things, wield, and much much more as again with fossil fuels it's the hydrogen we are actually making use of and this technology gives us the hydrogen we need from a different source, IE, just natural water. It's the most transformative technology that I have ever come across. It's hard for most folks to imagine this technology replacing everywhere we use fossil fuels for when it comes to transportation, power generation, and more as it just seems too large for a small technology to be able to accomplish such a great change in the way we do things.
Hydrogen already runs the world as nothing that I know of would be alive today without hydrogen.
Shalom,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions
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In order to control the burn rate of hydrogen all that is done is to add in gases that do not support the burning process. A good analogy of this is say you drive on the highway from one city to the other and time yourself. The first drive there is no traffic and you note the time it took you and upon coming back there is a traffic jam and again you note the time it took you. The trip with no traffic will be a lot faster than the trip with heavy traffic, correct? But why? It's because all of those cars physically got in your way on the return trip. This is what adding gases that do not support the combustion process does as they physically get in the way of the hydrogen and oxygen gases from being able to come together quickly.Hi Edward,
With stove top burners Meyer redirected the flame front to go back in on itself, on cars he used the spent exhaust gases to add in gases that do not support the combustion process back into the mixture by way of the Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) system with an electronically controlled metering value. This question seems as if it comes from one of my enemies that think I don't understand this technology like Tony Quinn. Trust me he is no expert as he has never moved to perform any real world experiments and thus hasn't learned anything as a result. To me he is a person that just loves the sound of their own voice as to come at this technology from a non-scientific perspective, IE, not making use of the scientific method will leave one lost and confused. When I started working to understand this technology I did so bringing science along with me actually making use of the scientific method. This method requires one to perform countless experiments as it's a slow process of elimination that gets at the truth of just how this technology works.
Most of people that come up against me don't like to make use of the scientific method as that forces them to perform experiments which in turn cost a lot of money. With this method anything you find that you are missing must be attained no mater what it is that is missing. Say if you find yourself not understanding scientific concepts all that well, then this method requires you to go to college too pick up the missing information and then you can get back to experimenting. Or, if you require a tool like a Differential Probe you can't move forwards until you get that measuring tool. People don't like this method as it leaves out nothing and thus does cost quite a bit of money and time to be spent in order to keep moving forwards with your experimentation on trying to understand this technology. I made use of the scientific method which is how I got to fully understand just what was actually going on. In doing so I was able to come up with a totally new theory that will one day be added to our books of science as those are the rewards of making use of the scientific method on something that is truly an unknown. This is why the way I now talk about this technology isn't talked about by others as simply put they don't know about these connections I have discovered about this technology when comparing it to how nature goes about breaking the bonds of the water molecules.
I moved this thread to a new spot so that I could raise the funding to be able to get this technology off the ground once I fully understood how the technology worked. I openly ask folks to donate to the cause so that this technology can get to phasing out the use of fossil fuels world wide in order to actually do something about our shared climate change problems. When it comes to our climate change problems we are all in the same boat together. In order to be effective this technology needs to go into mass production and for me to be able to do that I need the support of the people. If, like Meyer said, we all come together in one accord the world will have this technology. All I can do is hope folks move to support my efforts to bring this technology in by way of mass production so that the world can have it.
Shalom,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions
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Hi,
Any references related to stove burner of water fuel?
Diagram, photo or parents?
Many Thanks
Vortex 22
I pray for your success!,
God Bless You
Hello Edward,
plants break down covalently bonded molecules by getting energy from photons that 'helps' electrons into higher level orbits following quantum theory, there is no free energy here, photon energy=orbit energy change. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgKhBcsE49Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgKhBcsE49Y)
Science has found out how to use light to enhance breakdown with "100%+ quantum efficiency", they probably started wondering if photons can contribute to ionization and electrolysis.
Okay you know this, but my question is:
is the Meyer electric field only method free energy? Were you able to confirm it?
Meyer said something along the lines of this: The field 'forces' the (covalent) electrons into higher energy levels, it doesn't pump in energy like a photon does which then automatically causes an increase of orbit and energy. Cause-effect are switched.
Meyer said this energy is pulled in from another dimension, the ultimate source of free energy, even when using the photoelectric effect this source is siphoning in energy but it's controlled by how much is put in.
You said that your theory is new, but covalent breakdown by taking away the electrons I believe is known.
Or do they keep the world ignorant? They describe it like this: To break most covalent bonds between any two given atoms, a certain amount of energy must be supplied.
They explain it as a caloric exchange, but they do know because they can explain photosynthesis.
regards!
many people get lost in the electrolysis device
This is not as important as it seems.
It needs to provide enough gas to start the engine from battery current
And operate at full nominal production from alternator current.
Even at half of the carnot %, the heat side of the combustion equation for HHO
provides enough torque to run the engine at more HP than gasoline.
an all aluminum block, and radiator may be able to dissipate the heat im not sure
in all small (1-2HP) benchtop tests, the engines run, run the alternator, produce their own gas, and can drive a load, until they overheat, melt the seals, warp the pistons and covers, etc.
With a small motor this happens after about 2-3 hrs or the size of a 3-gal water tank.
some have tried upgrading to titanium piston heads and cylinders. For me this seems too $$$.
I have read enough reports of similar overheating on full sized vehicles to deter me from sacrificing a guinea pig car. Theres a lot of math involved, cylinder size, stroke:displacement, compression %, and so on. Some engines may be able to handle hho better than others. Lawn care equipment has a heavy compression, and since they overheat easily, I probably wouldnt hho a diesel.
A light weight, low-hp car, maybe look for aluminum blocks, upgrade to a new all Al radiator
Use a custom coolant
Getting to run is easy. You dont want to build up back pressure in your fuel system, but you want a flow-restrictor valve to fine tune it to the engine.
Once you get the right mixture the engine will idle loud and quickly, you have to adjust the idle down
back into the normal range. Watch the increase in gas when the alternator kicks in, if it gets too heavy turn up the resistance to the electrolyzer (or move the plates further apart, etc)
You need at least 2 (redundant) fire arrestors.
With a newer car, you will recode the ecu to lower the air intake,
it will burn a little lean and lower your hp per fuel ratio, but it’s possible.
It needs to provide enough gas to start the engine from battery current
And operate at full nominal production from alternator current.
Respectfully
"From my perspective the longer people wait to support my efforts to bring this technology out the longer the world will have to wait for an actual solution that will get us out of this mess. "
From the perspective of the people, they don't see what you have other than claims and old video's, people have to trust your word for it with their money without seeing your current progress, they only have the (well written) pdf that explains it, they're one click away from continuing their day., but first they read on wiki to find out who Stan was.
Do you know kickstarter? They present everything, and they reach their multi-million goals, but funders are promised to receive something according to a tier.
But this tech comes with personal risks, so I understand your caution. I'm sure everyone gets blown away when you show how you have progressed. Better stick to the plan but don't blame the people.
Or you could start selling it as modules to get $ (like Meyer did) instead of tightly regulate its use and product release. I don't think it will make anyone rich, because if it is possible then it has to have been suppressed. JP Morgan underfunded Tesla after he asked 'where do we put the meter?'so he set him up for failure.
The elite's power is their greed for money and their capital against us and our greed but without capital. But YHWH own's it all. In His kingdom gold is used a bricks.
my next 2ct's
Best regards
I have seen this waveform on my oscilloscope many times. What's so special about it? This waveform shows the phenomenon of parametric resonance. With each cycle, the amplitude increases exponentially.
@H2O Power, and sorry Chris, for deviating a bit from your original issue here!![/size]Hello Edward,Please, I always had this curiosity about the invention (or discovery) from Stanley Meyer...related to his Hydrogen separation from the Oxygen molecule in water...I have seen almost all videos related to his demonstrations, from his Dune Buggy to his Conferences...his plans, his Patents, his circuits, etc,etc.And so, I believe if there is someone qualified here to respond it is you...since I have read most of your articles and posts here.There is a pretty short video where he demonstrates making the Hydrolysis on one small clear plexiglass tank with a gauge and a valve on top, attached to a small torch...We can see he haD one of those analog, old Signal Generators with the old electrical gauges (V.U)...where He slightly turns its knob and it starts the process...bubbles start and pressure gauge starts moving fast to max...My question is pretty simple:The whole "secret" of Stan Meyer would not be that He actually found the "perfect" Harmonic frequency?, which could be in a short range of the last 4 or 5 digits in a huge number?In my opinion, (and you are free to correct me at any time) He was able to do this fission of H2O, without "much effort", without huge voltages, without such huge frequencies or high amperage...just the right number...actually taking place just like a "cold fusion" takes place?Maybe since I am a fan of the movie "Chain Reaction"...where Keanu Reeves by accident finds the perfect "tune" or the perfect harmonic frequency number...where the whole process starts to go much faster and very stable...that was coming from his Lathe cutting some metal...hahahaRegards and thanks for all you do, Sir!!Ufopolitics
this last diagram is an important one
free demonstration of nature for anyone to observe
Tesla went to great lengths to capture free electrons / electron extraction
Efficiency of 98% is nothing, Meyer's method has infinite efficiency.
After hours of discussion between ourselves, we concluded that Stanley Meyer did appear to have discovered an entirely new method for splitting water which showed few of the characteristics of classical electrolysis.What does everyone think of these words? Note, this is coming from an eye witness to Stanley Meyer's invention as he is one of the people shown in this video: [size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkjpVcsRQLc&t=545s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkjpVcsRQLc&t=545s)[/size]
Confirmation that his devise actually do work come from his collection of granted US patents on various parts of the WFC system.
Since they were granted under Section 101 by the Us Patent Office, the hardware involved in the patents have been examined experimentally by the Us Patent office experts and their seconded experts and all the claims have been established.
“The basic WFC was subjected to three years of testing. This raises the granted patents to the level of independent, critical, scientific, and engineering confirmation that the devices actually perform as claimed.”
-Stated by Dr. Keith Hindley.
What are we ACTUALLY talking about here?
Injecting a high frequency/ high voltage A/C current into the water?
The waveform does look like an AC waveform but then again I have never seen an AC waveform increase in voltages as it is pulsed before.
It's a reactive device with a natural response. Send a single pulse and see the natural oscillation around 0v. 60hz rectified and chopped up needs to be chopped up at the right frequency to get this synchronsm of voltage increasingly going up and down, the input voltage per pulse also increases.
But anyway I'm getting into how the technology worksThat's especially the coils next to the 'natural ionization resembling earth's electric circuit'. :-) pulse on: rising current, polarity. pulse off: declining current in the same direction, reversed polarity
Hi Edward,
I don’t think many “scientists” would argue against ionic separation of the water molecule bond.
There is also chemical water splitting, and this can even be done by superheating the water/steam.
Thank you for the clarification, i.e. this is hv pulsed (half-wave) ionization.
And yes the less contamination in the water the less ionic losses, thus only water molecules will ionize inside the chamber. if salt were added to the tank, it may be more likely to produce chlorine gas and sodium hydroxide, than hho.
2) a “scientist” would be well educated in this area.In general, pure water decomposes into ions in an insignificant amount, which is determined by the dissociation constant 10 ^ -7 not from the potentials on the electrodes, even without any electrodes at all. Water dissociates into ions as a result of the thermal energy of the movement of molecules.
It is trivial to split water by ionization
However this generally uses significantly more energy (electrical, chemical, or nuclear) than electrolysis.
Perhaps try an ultrasonic transducer?
The type found in ‘mist’ devices, toothbrushes, and jewelry cleaners
Arduino has a low cost solution as well
They require little power and may “shake” the bubbles free
So because a few ‘controllers’ banned you from their forums,
The rest of us are just hung out to dry and you’ll take this to the grave like Stan did?
Look buddy you dont need to throw your all-mightier-than-thou attitude at me.
I get that you’re disgruntled over whatever happen wherever elsewhere you were at before.
But you have come here to an open source discussion forum with vague cryptic insinuations that YOU have something ‘noone else has’ and toss your go fund me link on it.
What’s to separate you from just another “free energy” scammer asking for money?
The fuzzy video with a tank making bubbles?
I hope you get what you’re looking for.
Personally i need more to go on than you saying you’re the only one that knows the ‘secret’.
I can't disagree with what you have stated. The hesitation many have is they want to see this and know it works:
You give the world a fully functional prototype and you'll have more support than you can manage.
And if I had such an apparatus, it would be possible to make an ever-flying ball, and I would fly away from here, where I am now. And I would not pray yours, and no one at all, because you only mock and exalt your superiority. Since the hydrogen is volatile and leaves the balloon, the amount must be replenished. As well as to control the rise and fall. Jules Verne described it in detail. But he did not have such a setup. He had a conventional electrolyzer. And galvanic batteries. We now understand that this is his mistake. After all, he lived in the 19th century. I don't have that device either.
If you’re claiming your technology utilizes photovoltaic ionization through a magnesium crystal i’d say you’re full of $417 too.
And to say “every engine made today in running hydrogen” is hogwash.
A few major manufacturers have experimented with them, but theres really only a very small number actually on the road in any real capacity. Even the concept cars had difficulties which were never truly addressed.
You have yet to address any of the main concerns with the operation of a hydrogen ICE.
Making the fuel is only a fraction of the problem.
If not done properly, a hydrogen ICE can create just as much emissions pollution as a gasoline vehicle.
Among several other problems that would prevent you from actually achieving this goal.
When you reach that stage of development, perhaps you will require someone to be more forthcoming than yourself has been.
seriously that image is what I like to see. It's a free show everyone should take the time to go see, and the show even comes to you!
Free of charge ..... or full of charge ?
Tell me if this statement meets the required conditions:
Tank of water (with conductive plates in either side) acts as a Capacitor.
Who’s value can be used to establish an LRC circuit.
???
If you read through my crowdfund you will see I am trying to raise funds to make 50 10kw gen-sets running on this technology.
If your looking for UL certification or CE to sell in Europe you may need your device EMI/EMC tested also. Aside from premature failure you don’t want it to interfere with other devices nearby. Maybe not a big deal if it cause interference on a Radio. But if it causes a nearby medical device to fail then your in deep trouble. Besides emissions testing they test its withstand voltage where they zap it with thousands of volts to see if it malfunctions. You also have IP ratings that designate what environment it can safely work in. For instance IP 65 rating might be sealed enough to use outdoors where it would get rained on.
Like you said there’s a myriad of things to consider when you sell to the public. If you’ve already considered the testing I would be interested to know what you learned.
https://www.com-power.com/blog/why-emi-emc-testing-necessary (https://www.com-power.com/blog/why-emi-emc-testing-necessary)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_code (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_code)
My bad. I missed that last entry with the generators. Hope I'm the only one that did.
Keep at it Ed. Do what you can to get that prototype model running and amend your gofundme page to show it in operation. The funds you need for the rest will follow rather quickly. Chet may even kick-in $10K himself--he loves that water stuff. ;) Heck, I'll even sell my two gasoline generators and make a donation (provided the Holcomb project doesn't pan out).
So I have to ask, how are you going to decide who gets the first 50 units? And after those are claimed, what's the plan for the next 50? Any chance you would be willing to license distributors to help with volume? Where I currently live, I'm certain I can find 30 customers in one week willing to buy a finished unit.
BTW, I've been tinkering with various exhaust sound suppression systems (mufflers) that would make these units amenable to running around the clock. I would guess with the exhaust gas recirculation you would need to use anyway, these can be made to run pretty darn silent--at least as good as any common residential emergency power unit.
We have to take a moment to pet the elephant.If thermodynamics allows the operation of the pair "Meyer-Mitchel electrolyzer" - the fuel cell how over-unity device,Is it possible to exclude unnecessary elements from this scheme ?
If the the system produces hho using less energy than the than 50% Carnot output of an ICE,
We can safely connect it directly to an electric hho fuel cell and power an infinite circuit.
No engine needed.
We have to take a moment to pet the elephant.
If the the system produces hho using less energy than the than 50% Carnot output of an ICE,
We can safely connect it directly to an electric hho fuel cell and power an infinite circuit.
No engine needed.
Hello
The question?
WFC is it
a water capacitor?
Polar capacitor? With very low capacitance?
No more questions!
Merci
Hl Edward Mitchell,
Direct answer is YES it is a capacitor. Is it a polar capacitor? Perhaps as the dielectric that goes in it is polar but I am not sure of this. The capacitance is on the low side say around 25-100 pF but that changes with the distance or spacing between the plates the closer the plates are together the higher the capacitance the WFC will have. Just know that this is a variable capacitor as when it starts producing gases those gases displace the dielectric fluid, IE water, that is between the plates causing the capacitance of the WFC to go down.
I hope that answers your questions and more, and thanks for the questions.
Edward Mitchell
Owner
True Green Solutions
https://gofund.me/94431e56 (https://gofund.me/94431e56)
... as I can't do much of anything if I have nothing to pulse the transformer with.
You still have contact with Gunther?
Worst case, I suppose you can snag some MOSFETs, a power supply and use your benchtop signal generator. Some pulses are better than no pulses at all. ;)
Hi,Just study this:
I'm trying to replicate WFC?
Using inox 304
2 m * 1 m
My goal:
15 liter per minute hho production rate!!
In the standard way of electrolysis
2106 watts of input.
Rgds
Vortex 22
https://www.philosophy.org/uploads/5/2/2/0/52207651/fulcrum_v1n2_august_1992.pdf (https://www.philosophy.org/uploads/5/2/2/0/52207651/fulcrum_v1n2_august_1992.pdf)
In October 1991 Stanley Meyer visited The University of Science & Philosophy (www.philosophy.org (http://www.philosophy.org)) formerly located at Swannanoa Palace.
Why?
In short, because Stanley believed the center of an atom was 'God' or a point of Omnipresent Universal vacuum aka "Stillness".
Dr. Walter Russell made this same claim decades before Stanley ever played with water, and his many books and lectures prove this point.
https://www.philosophy.org/store/p42/Space_and_the_Hydrogen_Age.html#/ (https://www.philosophy.org/store/p42/Space_and_the_Hydrogen_Age.html#/) published 1939!!!
So, if the goal of this thread is to Explain Stanley's technology... why not follow in his footsteps? perhaps follow his train of thought? and "ASK THE RIGHT QUESTION!"
A friendly tip to all on here. ;D
-wlw
But my friend, you already know how!Hi all
use DC Capacitor Electrons Captor, and connect it straight to plates in water. WFC is just air capacitor plates in water. u can make electrolysis with simple AV plug, which is open circuit.
no need to pull so many watts to make gas! ;D
if you add neutral plates to the cell, not connected, a la JoeCell, then amps drop even more and produce twice the gas!
I have made HHO gas with 0amps input, many times.
Thanks be to Joe, the modern water master.
Good luck!
-wlw
All I need to know isGo for the steam resonator as described by Meyer instead, there are tons of hho generators on yt, but barely any low wattage voltage-watercookers.
How to make a polar water capacitor in picofarads range ?
A detailed schematic ? Please
Best
Vortex 22
All of this posting on my thread is a clear example of disrespect at it's finest and clearly shows something freely given is to be treated as it has no value.
Hi.
Is AIR fuel better than WATER fuel?
I think so.
Why not put a JoeCell on a car and get yourself an air motor? no fuel, not even water.
Once you know the possibilities, Stan Meyer stuff is not so impressive anymore.
Maybe I don't belong here??? Is freedom of speech a thing of the past?
-wlw
mr. h20power
your view, in my eyes, is very myopic.
I do know how a JoeCell works actually.
it is an optical transmutation device which Walter Russell described decades before Joe built one!
are you familiar with Lord Kelvins 'Thunderstorm'?
his water dropper experiment... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_water_dropper (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_water_dropper)
Explain to me, how does flowing water generate spark discharge? experiment proves flowing water makes lightning...
My only point here is ppl who experiment with water DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS. Maybe water is liquid electricity. ;D
I won't bother you again on here. This is your territory I see.
Cheers,
-wlw
Mr. h20power,
You never explained how flowing water makes spark?? in Lord Kelvin’s water dropper experiment.
just tell me WHY flowing water makes spark? simple question. :P
There are no meters made for scalar, cold electricity or radiant energy. Its not about $$, they just don’t make such a thing.
It worked in Meyer’s favor to complicate and make it expensive to replicate, it’s called “misdirection”.
To build a Cell is cheap, and you can use it to manufacture your own oil for pennies a day if you want.
If this FE thing is a competition, we ALL lost to Joe over 30 years ago!!! sorry. :o
-wlw
ps. I am certain u will have the last word here, time for me to jump ship! the wind has left my sails..
Cheers
I don't really understand how the diode affects the circuit... and would appreciate some explanation.
A diode doesn't COMPLETELY block current, but rather it has a capacitance which will build up a charge (very quickly, it's not a very big capacitance) and then the current will reflect back down the coil (no?).
In one sense - if the inductances are low, then you'll end up just pulse- charging DC plates with voltage... and then can just go back to DC? But the idea is that this is pulsed across the water cell using the cell as a capacitor; and even using the water itself to distribute the charge rather than layers of plates. But that transformer is on a ferrite core, so that inductance is pretty high, and going to be fighting against other coils too... so does the diode effectively choke it? And then isn't it really just DC? And barely even pulsed? Since the multiple pulses are just going to charge the plate, have a long off time to let that dissipate across the water?
I've seen this work; but haven't really been that impressed with the analysis of the circuit, what are the water frequencies (oh I see they're noted on the patent) how fast is thee inner charge? How long is the overall gate frequency? I guess that's noted too; still would be nice to see it confirmed in a working setup.
I guess the frequency part needed for a 4 cylinder engine is (? 6000RPM 100RPS 400Hz per cylinder?)
What ever happened to that iron d max guy? I know life happened.
Is there another shop one can buy the circuits pre-fab? Can we instead make a reasonable facsimile using an arduino or pi or something?
edit: :) too bad things change; the links at the start of this thread no longer work; but I see many have been at this a while.
I don't really understand how the diode affects the circuit... and would appreciate some explanation.
A diode doesn't COMPLETELY block current, but rather it has a capacitance which will build up a charge (very quickly, it's not a very big capacitance) and then the current will reflect back down the coil (no?).
In one sense - if the inductances are low, then you'll end up just pulse- charging DC plates with voltage... and then can just go back to DC? But the idea is that this is pulsed across the water cell using the cell as a capacitor; and even using the water itself to distribute the charge rather than layers of plates. But that transformer is on a ferrite core, so that inductance is pretty high, and going to be fighting against other coils too... so does the diode effectively choke it? And then isn't it really just DC? And barely even pulsed? Since the multiple pulses are just going to charge the plate, have a long off time to let that dissipate across the water?
I've seen this work; but haven't really been that impressed with the analysis of the circuit, what are the water frequencies (oh I see they're noted on the patent) how fast is thee inner charge? How long is the overall gate frequency? I guess that's noted too; still would be nice to see it confirmed in a working setup.
I guess the frequency part needed for a 4 cylinder engine is (? 6000RPM 100RPS 400Hz per cylinder?)
What ever happened to that iron d max guy? I know life happened.
Is there another shop one can buy the circuits pre-fab? Can we instead make a reasonable facsimile using an arduino or pi or something?
edit: :) too bad things change; the links at the start of this thread no longer work; but I see many have been at this a while.
Dear Ed,Nice build. But I take that's a gated 12V pulser, that's just one functional block in the system. The VIC imitates the pre-lightning conditions without the discharge. An ideal VIC with the load connected has on the output 0 ampere and infinite voltage.
Here's a blast from the past for you.
Spent more than a month decoding circuits, patents and troves of estate images to develop
this. Made dozens of circuit boards and mailed them for free all over the world and yet,
you're still the only one working on this technology. Some things do make me sad.
Nice build. But I take that's a gated 12V pulser, that's just one functional block in the system. The VIC imitates the pre-lightning conditions without the discharge. An ideal VIC with the load connected has on the output 0 ampere and infinite voltage.
Dear Ed,
Here's a blast from the past for you.
Spent more than a month decoding circuits, patents and troves of estate images to develop
this. Made dozens of circuit boards and mailed them for free all over the world and yet,
you're still the only one working on this technology. Some things do make me sad.
We are very much the same Ed, with one major difference: I believed the science taught
to me and started from that point. I ended up on a "No Outlet" road. You didn't do that.
You proved to yourself every step of the scientific method by acquiring the resources
and doing the painful experiments. I wish I would have done the same. I now know
where I went wrong, but unfortunately it's way too late in the game for me to shift
back down to first gear and start over. I do truly hope you stay on top of this and
achieve the goals you have set for yourself. I think you can do it. I'll probably be
watching from above, checking in on you, so don't be alarmed if you feel a strange
presence around you--it's only me, pointing you in the right direction. :D
Well, it looks like I will be able to move forwards once again as I will be getting the wire tensioners soon...
I just hope the sealing resin is still good as they do come with an expiration date and I think that time might have passed but I have no choice but to use it.
As I understand it from past readings of original Meyer documents, the pulsing transformer had the 2 L coils both wound on transformer secondary side, along with the secondary winding. The L coils were composed of RESISTIVE insulated magnet wire, - not copper, for high resistance. This was a low wattage ferrite transformer as the end result was not related to electrolysis. Molecular Polarity alignment with small current pulse, then high voltage pressure separating the water molecules, to very fine ionic charged bubbles that rise upward. The pulsing on + off of circuit allowed the ions to raise upward quickly and escape, since the concentric tubes SS cells were also of short distance height , and in multiples of electrodes. I believed that the water capacitor total as C, reacted with the inductance , so as the input power supply had the same frequency as water cell. A separate circuit board is necessary for automatic matching of the changing Frequency as the distilled water varies in quantity. The engine would have adjustable valve EGR applied so as the speed of combustion was slowed down using the entered contaminants such as Nitrogen from the exhaust air. The burst mode pulsing DC circuit is similar to the toy guns used in that laser tag game.