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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #555 on: May 07, 2021, 04:00:30 PM »
Aluminum nanopowder is not a catalyst as it reacts chemically with water?
Aluminum is consumed to produce hydrogen like conventional fuel.


Yes,aluminium can also be used as rocket-/or torpedo fuel !


But : https://www.newscientist.com/article/2142693-nano-aluminium-offers-fuel-cells-on-demand-just-add-water/


       " ......   And unlike batteries, it can remain stable and ready for use indefinitely. ....."

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« Reply #556 on: May 07, 2021, 04:43:57 PM »
What did you want to get? Wanted to get hydrogen from a high-frequency field? Then it is necessary, like Kanzius, to use a strong field. "Flame Discharge"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyZuel2iaBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quXa90HojfM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AQmaAEyTic
If the terminal is wetted with salt water:
 - place the electrode in water, or
- put a cotton swab moistened with salt water on the terminal, the length and brightness of the discharge flame greatly increases Water ionizes and decomposes, but at such temperatures it burns again.
The increase, if there is, is small.


In general, how much gas addition did you want to get with conventional electrolysis?
 0.3% can add a high-frequency field to the required energy consumption for conventional electrolysis.
Can you measure a 0.3% increase in gas yield?

 It is likely that in electrolysis with a very low DC voltage, at which there will be a very small gas yield. It is desirable to create a vacuum for better separation of oxygen and hydrogen. But I suppose that with this method, the percentage of the increase will also be small.
For quick monitoring of hydrogen production, I recommend using a hydrogen sensor like this Arduino small module on base MQ-8 or better, :
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9zi7mYDTIQ
This Arduino sensor module works without Arduino.
An ordinary voltmeter and a 5 volt power supply from a mobile phone charge are enough.   
The sensor is of course cheap and not very accurate.

We need to find another way, how to turn 0.3% into 300%


Hi Sergh,


I went over all of these videos and can say other than the last one they have nothing to do with this technology. You are basically taking an unknown and tossing it in another basket of unknowns hoping for a solution. Why not just follow what Meyer did? Don Gable gave everyone the correct size of the water capacitors which I will repost. This guy in this video gave a good circuit to try and make use of [size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAvH90dqn78[/size], and I gave the science behind the the technology away for free many places in this thread but I will re-post the pdf file in this post once more.


Just as those videos you post show things being difficult to tune so to is this technology but you must first follow the simple circuit diagram Meyer showed in his technical brief of this technology. The switch you choose is very important and I already posted a video showing why that is as the blocking diode being used in this fashion is acting as a automatic switch. The technology does produce a AC waveform but it doesn't flip flop the voltage potentials on the plates of the capacitor thanks to the Blocking Diode switch the plates of the capacitor maintain one charge on them thus allowing this voltage intensifier circuit to mimic a thunderstorm. This is how this technology actually works and it's been given to everyone whom takes the time to read this thread for free.


I have no idea why people keep trying to toss in some other technologies in with this technology when I have went out of my way to show the actual science behind this technology so that it is no longer a UNKNOWN! The VIC circuit is the solution towards mimicking how mother nature breaks the bonds of the water molecules. One must follow all the rules for making high voltage transformers as well as follow all the rules in dealing with high voltages.


So, please stop trying to add in anything else to what I have already went over in this thread as it just confuses people.


Shalom,
Edward

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #557 on: May 08, 2021, 11:46:05 AM »
Thank you. But so no one answered by what mechanism the water molecule divides?
Most likely, the proton   will be separated from oxygen together with its electron.
Because there is no electrode similar to conventional electrolysis.
That would discharge the ion ...

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« Reply #559 on: May 08, 2021, 04:46:31 PM »
Thank you. But so no one answered by what mechanism the water molecule divides?
Most likely, the proton   will be separated from oxygen together with its electron.
Because there is no electrode similar to conventional electrolysis.
That would discharge the ion ...


Oh, I answered your question and then some. What I posted comes with two examples of the water being broken down in this fashion by way of getting at the atoms electrons to break the bonds of the water molecules but I guess your just not up to the task of understanding this technology even when the science is fully handed to you complete with examples. I even gave you a brand new theory for use in understanding this technology one that can't be found in the science books yet. That theory allows one to find other things that break the bonds of the water molecules by way of taking the electrons away from the atoms that make up the molecules they go to form as there are far more than just two examples I could have given you as you just have to ask the right questions.


The water molecules are being broken down just as I have shown they are being broken down in that pdf file as mother nature does this all the time but the problem is no one ever ask her how she does it until now. "How does a plant break the bonds of the water molecules?," is a question no one has ever asked before. When you study Photosynthesis you will see no one is concerned about how plants break the bonds of the water molecules but only what a plant does with the electrons it takes from the atoms as that technology can make those that invest into understanding that a lot of money as they can do as they are doing right now and create solar fields to harness the energy from the sun to be sold to the general public. Solar panels is the technology they sought as there is much profit in it for them. They simply had no interest in understanding how plants break the bonds of the water molecules and from the looks of it nor do you and a lot of other people that come to read and post on my little thread.


I'd be more understanding of everyone's ignorance if I didn't give any real world examples but I did give some real world examples which leaves me confused as to why no one gets how this technology actually works?! I know someplace in this thread I even took it further and gave two or perhaps even three more examples of this type of water decomposition taking place. So, I must conclude that none of you truly want this technology as your actions seems clear to me that you all simple do not want this technology and as the old saying goes, "Actions speak louder than words."


So, just to be clear. I believe in this thread I have given four or five examples of water being broken down into it's component atoms in this manor, and yet somehow that's still not enough proof that what I am saying is correct and true. But I think I understand the true reason why and that is because I am poor as this capitalist system that has swept the globe tells you all not to listen to those that don't have a lot of gold. If I was Elon Musk telling you this I'd be willing to bet you all would totally be listening to what I am saying but since I am but a poor old man the system of capitalism tells you to simple push me off to the side as because I don't have loads of cash I simple have nothing interesting to say. This I feel is the hard truth of our reality right now as capitalism is all you truly know and you believe in it's principles and thus exalt the greedy and put down the needy. Making prey of the poor is your favorite pastime.


I was going to post one of my old unpublished videos but I have changed my mind on that as I think I have shown enough of what I am doing to the world for now and will make new videos after I get the machines I need to move forwards. I might share and then again I might not as I'm not into Open Source as that's a failed strategy in my humble opinion.


Shabbat Shalom everyone ;D [size=78%],[/size]
Edward
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« Reply #560 on: May 08, 2021, 08:46:36 PM »
And I will give you many ideas for free.  :)
Today it occured to me. But look what I came up with.
If  are your kilohertz by Mayer
do directly in water by the beating frequency method.
mixing higher frequencies. ;)

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« Reply #561 on: May 08, 2021, 10:09:46 PM »
And I will give you many ideas for free.  :)
Today it occured to me. But look what I came up with.
If  are your kilohertz by Mayer
do directly in water by the beating frequency method.
mixing higher frequencies. ;)


I am not sure what you mean by this post but just know the worm will turn someday for me and I will be able to get the equipment I need to finish the job I started so many years ago. I posted the science behind the technology complete with examples and that should be good enough for people wanting to understand just how this technology works. This technology mimics a thunderstorm but most simply do not know that the earth shaking thunder they hear and feel is caused by a hydrogen & oxygen explosion taking place over head in the clouds as that information about cloud systems hasn't gone mainstream yet in the scientific community. It really should as it's a safety issue for air travel as the engines of a plane or jet can ignite the hydrogen and oxygen gas mixture if they fly into a thunderstorm that is actively breaking the water molecules down into their component atoms and blow the whole plane up.


Meyer often said, "One must asked the right questions," yes? Well, I did that and more just know it took many years and thousands of experiments to get at the science behind this technology using the scientific method as a tool to aid in my understanding of this technology. Most of the time if I make a mistake I am the one that must find that mistake and correct it as no one is at my level of understanding of this technology to be able to point out a mistake I might have made. It's been this way for a long time now so I am kinda use to it. For those of you wishing to teach me something just don't as the only way to get someone like me to listen is to show me you too are making use of the scientific method in a way that I can follow what it is you are trying to show me. If not one more than likely will be ignored by me.


This means one has to have the right tools for the task at hand as only then will I listen to them everything else to me is just noise. Remember it's been nine years since I've been placing a high voltage potential difference on the plates of my exciter arrays and I keep improving upon my previous work. Good observations is good science and I observer my experiments very closely and intently as that is where I am actively learning the secrets of this technology.


Take care,
Edward




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« Reply #562 on: May 09, 2021, 01:02:02 PM »
The fact is that this was also done, about a year ago.
The cell contains two pipes made of stainless non-magnetic steel.
Outer diameter 11 mm. inner 5.5 mm. the gas volume was measured, but not very accurately.
the gas volume was measured, but not very accurately. Everything is like in Faraday's law.

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« Reply #563 on: May 09, 2021, 08:23:37 PM »
Okay,


Now that I see something I can try and guide you. You don't have the same size cells Meyer used so the capacitance is no were near where Meyer's was. Even small changes in capacitance can have a very big change in the size of the inductor used to run it. Then there's the space gap between the plates which yours seems to be a lot larger than 2.413 mm which means the voltage required to get the atoms to go into a state of ionization will be a lot higher than what Meyer stated to be used for his cells which is 1000 volts of potential difference per resonant cavity. For a cloud the voltages potential difference will reach around 200kv to get the atoms to go into a state of ionization as the space gap is very large from the bottom of the cloud to the top of the cloud. This is why when starting off make things as close as possible as what Meyer was doing so that the working conditions that Meyer talks about will also work for you too, understand? If you make any changes then practically none of the working conditions Meyer talks about will work for you.


Then you must wire it up just as Don Gable showed how it was wired up. I can tell you when you have it correct the first pulse seen on the scope will be negative. If it is positive then you have the transformer hooked up incorrectly to the capacitor. But everything must be hooked up correctly for things to work. I use a Schottky diode for the blocking diode and the antiparallel diode as it has a very fast switching speed. You must also get some wire with a coating on it that can withstand the voltages you will be using. Please respect the high voltage as it loves to leach out and rob your cell of building up a high voltage potential difference. There can be no ground of any kind on the secondary side of the transformer as that will prevent the cell from being charged up. Remember it's a isolated circuit on the secondary side and it must remain that way at all times.


Looking at your waveform you don't have much of a negative voltage and know when it is working properly the negative and positive voltages will be almost the same with the positive being just a tad higher than the negative voltage around 5-25 volts. Both atoms of the water molecules are being targeted to go into a state of ionization at the same time. The negative targets the hydrogen atoms and the positive targets the oxygen atoms.


And I will remind you that until the voltages are high enough to cause the atoms to go into a state of ionization and start ejecting their electrons nothing really happens.
I use to have a current flow diagram of the VIC transformer but it was lost when my USB stopped working. I may or may not have posted it in this thread I'll have to take a look and see if I can find it.


Hope this helps,
Edward

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« Reply #564 on: May 10, 2021, 09:15:01 AM »
This is the thing.
The electrical circuit was generally my own. The higher frequency, which is in kilohertz, was taken from a laboratory generator.  Not shown here. G5-48.  There was a connector to it, BNC. :)
All frequencies and time parameters and pauses varied within wide limits.
The diagram was in my head, it was never drawn. I can do it now.
After increasing the voltage by the transformer connected to the drain MOSFET, it was approximately 300-400 volts P-P.  (It is not enough?)
This oscillogram was on the drain of the MOSFET IRFP260N.
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There was also an insulated dial voltmeter and an ammeter. Which showed the voltage and current on the cell itself.
The voltage measured with a simple analog voltmeter did not rise more than 10-20 volts.
p.s.the gap between the tubes in cell such and turns out to be about 2.5 mm.

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« Reply #565 on: May 10, 2021, 10:53:14 AM »
I was able to achieve high voltages in water only in this way.
Since semiconductor diodes are present in the circuit, there is  gas evolution. a bit.

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As for the frequencies this technology operates at it's around 5-12 kHz depending on the size of the resonant cavities and the inductance of the inductors used.
the sound wave would probably have comparable cell sizes and frequencies.

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« Reply #566 on: May 10, 2021, 06:30:23 PM »
Kolbacict,


Since you've went away from Meyer's research I hate to be the one to tell you this but this thread of mines simply is no longer for you. None of that quote I took from one of Meyer's papers will work for you as your gap between the plates is larger than Meyer's thus the voltage required to make it work will be greater that what Meyer spoke about. Unlike you I, and several others, went the other way in that in my earlier WFC I went with a space gap of just 0.8128 mm and in the one shown just 0.254 mm. The problem I ran into was the transformers were too small when I tuned them for 12 kHz and thus couldn't power the load. Even Ravi's space gap was smaller than that of Meyer's which is why his worked with less voltage than Meyer stated was needed for his WFC, but the frequency was too low to give a sustained high gas output.


This three plate thing is so far away from what Meyer did you might as well create a whole new thread for it as it simple isn't anywhere near what Meyer was doing. Let me ask you a question about that device, have you ever seen a capacitor made that didn't have the plates parallel to each other being sold in the open market? I know I haven't and for good reason as it breaks the methods of science taught in most college classes on capacitance. For if the plates aren't parallel to each other the charge on the plates will be uneven.


Now I have built a parallel plate cell before and even took that cell with me to the Global BEM in 2013 for show and tell. What I built was different than most people building parallel plates cells in that the plates of my cell were actually bars some 9.5 mm thick. My reason for this was I knew water was part of the circuit and I also knew that current will follow the path of least resistance. Thus in a parallel plate set up if I wanted the plates to be charged and not have the current flow through the water bath I had to make it so the plates would give a short cut to the path to ground at the space gap was the same as Meyer's in that plate cell and the bars had a much lower resistance than the water did so that the current would move to charge to plates and not go over the top of the bars. I purposely used thick bars knowing that the resistance of those bars was far less than the water for the same distance as the bars were thick. In fact the plate surface area of my parallel plate capacitor was exactly the same as Meyer's WFC.
But can you see I used my knowledge of just how this technology worked to build something different but still comparable to what Meyer did? At no point did I use anything that was so far away from what Meyer did as if I did I'd have nothing to go off of when trying to compare what I was doing to what Meyer did. I never separated the chokes from the pulsing core as some folks did and only my first cell was a departure from Meyer's cell as to where I could not compare any results from that cell to the results Meyer spoke about. I was new and just getting started but I quickly learned that things must be done as closely as I could get them to that of what Meyer was working with if I wanted to use his stated working parameters for a resonant cavity and I adjusted what I was doing accordingly.


I believe this is why I am the only one that I know of that has reach these high voltage levels to his cell as I built things as close as possible to how Meyer built his stuff. Once I understood what was going on I was able to make some small changes to improve the technology past where Meyer left off as just as Dr. Faraday would need some modern technology like diodes and stainless steal to have been able to do this but we have some things Meyer never had to use as they were invented after his death.


I just wish I had the funds I need right now as then this technology would already be on the marketplace for folks to purchase. I went ahead and posted some pic's of my parallel plate cell and as you can see I was testing something else with this cell as I use a lot of LED's testing for the effect of light energy on this technology. The cell works great and has no leaks and I'm able to see with my own two eyes the effects that laser energy has on this part of this technology.


Take care,
Edward
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« Reply #567 on: May 11, 2021, 09:07:38 AM »
kolbacict : beginning with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_bonding_of_water


+ agent ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrocatalyst


Pressure,temperature,.....
We know a little. True, we forgot a lot. It was a long time ago. I have a diploma in chemistry. :)
Unfortunately, Stanley Meer's technology is not described there.

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Since you've went away from Meyer's research I hate to be the one to tell you this but this thread of mines simply is no longer for you.
I just don't have a choice. I have no vacuum resin and no money either.  :D
I do what I can, from what is available. What is shown is not far of all.
By the way, it turns out to be interesting things. Maybe someone else had it, but what I have is entirely  from my head. It turns out anything, except for the exit of HHO in excess of Faraday's law. >:(

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« Reply #568 on: May 11, 2021, 04:15:00 PM »
There are a few reasons why I don't post the specific wavelengths I am using and one of them is the company that sells them only sells their stuff to other companies and never to the general public. So, if you don't have a company you simply can't get these LED's. Failure to vacuum resin seal these transformer will result in the transformer shorting out. The ringing noise you hear is actually caused by the wires vibrating and eventually that ringing will cause the wires to rub off the wires protective coating. The only fix for this problem is to vacuum resin seal the transformers so that the wires can't move.


The ionization problem of the air around the wires of the transformer can be solved with some transformer oil but not the movement of the wires when they are making that ringing sound. So, if you can't afford to get the resin, a vacuum pump, and build your own vacuum chamber then you can't have this technology as anything you build will fail within a short time after it is built if used consistently. I have seen many transformers fail by others in their videos, and have had  many of my transformers fail until I learned how to build them correctly. There is no getting around this as these transformers must be built the correct way or they will fail guaranteed.


Even after I started vacuum resin sealing these transformers I still had much to learn as I had to throw away this one as the connectors got stuck to the foil and I ended up ripping quite a few of them out. This is now a fairly expensive paperweight, but live and learn, yes? Now I know how to make these transformers without messing things up like I did with this one but I had to learn things the hard way. The cost of this transformer is on the high side and until I can afford to buy things in bulk that will always be the case as those rules were set by the rich way before I was born. We are all bound by the rules of the markets as we accepted into this system the day we were born and from the looks of it this capitalist system will be up and running long after we are dead. These are just some of the many ways the rich get richer while the poor get poorer as they can afford to buy in bulk which gives the best prices and we poor folk can not. I think they kindly call this, "Scaling things up," in the manufacturing world.


Right now while I have to buy things at high prices I can only afford to build just a few at a time so when I make a mistake like this it is very costly to me. I think you are looking at a $3.5k USD mistake if I remember correctly. But I didn't give up and quit and just made another one without breaking all of the connections after curing the resin for several hours in the oven.


It would be nice if us poor folk didn't act like crabs in a bucket so much as I could really use some help funding this technology: [size=78%]https://www.gofundme.com/f/energy-independence-for-you-and-me[/size] and since I have shown I've taken the proper steps so that I can build everything correctly folks should join in and give me a helping hand so that this technology can make a difference in our world. Most people haven't done the ground work needed to build this technology like I have let alone show the results I have shown. Things must be built the proper way or if not things simply will not work as intended to work and are guaranteed to fail. Everything has a cost to it and for this technology when you are starting off those cost are on the high side which is something I learned through the school of hard knocks.


It would be nice if we acted as a team but we don't as we are trained to be capitalist from an early age and everyone is in it for themselves and the bigger picture be damned. I guess we will learn when we have to pay for the air we breath and failure to pay will result in death.


The future is what we make it,
Edward

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« Reply #569 on: May 13, 2021, 09:26:25 AM »
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a space gap of just 0.8128 mm and in the one shown just 0.254 mm.
Well, I later came up with a cell with an adjustable distance between parallel stainless steel electrodes. Made from a disposable syringe. The distance can be reduced until it touches.
Did not help. Only boiled water there.  :)
But I want to say, although according to Meyer, the gas output has not turned out so far, only according to Faraday, I came up with many interesting things. 8) ;)
For example, would you got an electrolysis product (according to Faraday,yet) :( using only alternating current of low and high frequency? Removable directly from the secondary winding of the transformer.
Without using any semiconductor or lamp diode. And I have achieved this.

 

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