Author Topic: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion" (Read 123827 times)

jadaro2600 · « **Reply #90 on:** February 22, 2009, 10:11:12 PM »

@ALL
I would like to take this thread off topic for a moment. Before any of you start bashing the person - he's increased our knowledge of false information at least. In general, he's presented an idea which encompasses multiple ideas.

If you're interested in the idea of Kick-Coils ...then address it in a separate thread - start one and then add your designs to it.

Otherwise, you should consider this thread about the video and what device is on the video - it's really just a horizontal Bedini anyway.

PS; I'de really like to see any ideas for Kick-Coils on a separate thread - I think it's an interesting thought, unfortunately I've got none of my own right now.

wizkycho · « **Reply #91 on:** February 22, 2009, 10:58:05 PM »

Hi All !

This infact seems possible, cause attractional energy at a begining is free and in that period we need to colect it (through some diode,greatz to capacitor)
but after (when magnet is leaving) that loss allso is free if magnet allowed to travel all the way it can...so collecting must stop when magnet is leaving that way lenz is
allso out of equation and only stays attraction to core that is unwanted (forces wheel back)

but lets put three of those coils close enough and have coils charge only one electronics at last coil. That would give at first look 3 times free atraction force (except that when collecting, lentz will not allow full acceleration of wheel - depends on how much is collected but collecting or not magnet will end near to core so there is certanly something free)
So that would give us 3 times (or more if more coils) but actually somewhat less and is just enough when transistor is trigered to repel magnet far enough from last coil core.

and another thing:
lots of balancing is requierd for this to work: thickness of core, distance of coil from wheel, distance coil from coil... and only one magnet - if one magnet passes it,
many (distanced properly) will.
thinking further...If two mags are spaced as such that when one leaves other attracts...just might work
I propose to some experimenter to include probably moveable coil that will follow when magnet leaves portion to lower down magnet leaving losses.
It is delicate but just might work.

I give it worth to try i believe in it over 60%...based allready on other experiments as BEMF collection, Bedini...

Wiz

wattsup · « **Reply #92 on:** February 23, 2009, 12:19:34 AM »

It's too bad he spilled the beans sooooo sooooon.

I was getting ready to dissect his approach further, like them nice off the shelf coils. lol

Thing is you can only fool all the people once, then no one will believe you anymore so this will be his own doing and he'll have to deal with this stigma. Usually a teacher will present the situation and then ask TRUE or FALSE. Some will say it's true and why, others will say it's false and why. That would have been a legitimate way of going about "teaching" the are of technical discernment.

But if you read this, look back to my first post in this thread. There is a link that will show you how it really could be done. But then again, it's impossible? True or False. lol

sushimoto · « **Reply #93 on:** February 23, 2009, 12:29:00 AM »

Quote from: wattsup on February 23, 2009, 12:19:34 AM

It's too bad he spilled the beans sooooo sooooon.

I was getting ready to dissect his approach further, like them nice off the shelf coils. lol

Thing is you can only fool all the people once, then no one will believe you anymore so this will be his own doing and he'll have to deal with this stigma. Usually a teacher will present the situation and then ask TRUE or FALSE. Some will say it's true and why, others will say it's false and why. That would have been a legitimate way of going about "teaching" the are of technical discernment.

But if you read this, look back to my first post in this thread. There is a link that will show you how it really could be done. But then again, it's impossible? True or False. lol

Wattsup:
He did not reveal the "Truth". Just another riddle to solve.
Look to where the cables under the base are going.
True or false?

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #94 on:** February 23, 2009, 01:19:53 AM »

Quote from: wattsup on February 23, 2009, 12:19:34 AM

It's too bad he spilled the beans sooooo sooooon.

I was getting ready to dissect his approach further, like them nice off the shelf coils. lol

Thing is you can only fool all the people once, then no one will believe you anymore so this will be his own doing and he'll have to deal with this stigma. Usually a teacher will present the situation and then ask TRUE or FALSE. Some will say it's true and why, others will say it's false and why. That would have been a legitimate way of going about "teaching" the are of technical discernment.

But if you read this, look back to my first post in this thread. There is a link that will show you how it really could be done. But then again, it's impossible? True or False. lol

excellent post. Said with tact which unfortunately I lacked with my posts.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #95 on:** February 23, 2009, 01:23:51 AM »

Quote from: sushimoto on February 23, 2009, 12:29:00 AM

Wattsup:
He did not reveal the "Truth". Just another riddle to solve.
Look to where the cables under the base are going.
True or false?

Does the double smilie equate to a cheesy smilie

Hope your joking anyway.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #96 on:** February 23, 2009, 02:04:13 AM »

Ok, I said I was going to stop but now I see the self serving nature of what this was about. As Stefen called into question in a previous post, he's selling kits for magnetic rail guns. The possible real motive for attracking a certain viewership to his channel.

If that's not bad enough, here is what I totally find unscrupulous. After noting he'll sell you a few ball bearings for a price, he goes on to tell you that, and I kid you not, that ball bearings are hard to find because they are used in IED's

True, but they are not hard to find whatsoever. A lie to get you to buy. You can go into just about any hardware store and buy several sizes of ball bearings. Cheap. Listen up students and kiddies, your teacher is ripping you off. Go down to your local Hardware store like Ace and you'll find all the items for less. Ebay also offers them for way less which is probably where he got his since they sell them in bulk for $15.00. Hard to find... lol...

Nice Starcross42... Can you say "exposed" Starcross?

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #97 on:** February 23, 2009, 02:22:41 AM »

sushimoto, lol, what were you trying to say here?

"So the americans as the leader of the world should go back in time before rockefeller&co
and bury out the Hit N' Miss engines with flywheels? yes, why not?
They were close to OU compared to daily energy-losses.
If there is comes common research on efficiency,
we could probably power our world with one AA battery. Not OU but good as well. "

sake good

hoptoad · « **Reply #98 on:** February 23, 2009, 06:31:37 AM »

Quote from: Low-Q on February 22, 2009, 12:16:40 PM

..... He also claims that the coil is pushing the magnet away, which is also true, BUT that push is ALLWAYS when the coil is approaching the magnet. Is short: A shortcurcuit coil works like a break on a moving magnet regardless on what direction the magnet is moving.

Actually, "ALLWAYS" is not entirely true, though it would be true for Starcross42's (faked) experimental setup where his wheel is turning at very low speed resulting in very low frequency coil induction.

Tesla designed what he referred to as a "novel" motor which employed a shorted coil, setback from the rotor at the rear of his normal stator coils to increase rpm and torque. He noted that the shorted coil's effect of increasing rpm and torque was most noticable when using higher line supply frequencies than commonly used by industry.

Cheers

nievesoliveras · « **Reply #99 on:** February 23, 2009, 02:52:06 PM »

@all

It is a coincidence that I read the post of this lego device by @tseung.
I asked for the circuit sharing and was directed here by @chrisc.

The point is that I found a long ago a lecture about a guy named [ tu, yu-ta ] on that page there was an information of his patent about a motor that runs only with magnets and two coils, just like the lego posted.

I stored the circuit of the device and because it was a little confusing to me I modified it so I could understand it and store it as a possible self runner.

Then I saw the schematic drawn by @hartiberlin and a light turned on inside my mind.

I inferred that the lego running is true and the guy is not wanting to reveal the secret.
If you look at the schematic I composed with @hartiberlin and my [[ tu, yu-ta ] version with a magnets rotor. May be we have the secret revealed there.

Please make a search for [ tu, yu-ta ] name and the patent will show up.

Remember, I could be wrong though.

Jesus

markdansie · « **Reply #100 on:** February 23, 2009, 06:01:04 PM »

I was also blocked from youtube early on and recieved a great email from Starcross 42. I figured out what the trick was (I think there is one more reveal video to come). I thought it was a good exercise to help everyone think a little harder and ask more questions when presented with OU Claims. I have become by default a skeptic over the years after seeing many devices often fooling the inventor.
Dont be too hard on yourself if you were taken in by this...it might give you clarity inthe future.
Mark

wattsup · « **Reply #101 on:** February 23, 2009, 06:05:14 PM »

@nievesoliveras

Let's get it straight.

1) There is no dual coil, only one standard solenoid coil.
2) There is no rectifier
3) There is no zenor diode
4) There is no capacitor
5) There is no resistor.

That "transistor" is probably not even a transistor but a miniature thermal cut-off that is standard on many commercial solenoid and fan motor coils. Why.... because solenoids get hot.

There was a battery turning the fan motor and three dud coils.
End of story.
Guys should move on.

nievesoliveras · « **Reply #102 on:** February 23, 2009, 09:55:41 PM »

Quote from: wattsup on February 23, 2009, 06:05:14 PM

@nievesoliveras

Let's get it straight.

1) There is no dual coil, only one standard solenoid coil.
2) There is no rectifier
3) There is no zenor diode
4) There is no capacitor
5) There is no resistor.

That "transistor" is probably not even a transistor but a miniature thermal cut-off that is standard on many commercial solenoid and fan motor coils. Why.... because solenoids get hot.

There was a battery turning the fan motor and three dud coils.
End of story.
Guys should move on.

Just check this link and then decide your next course of action.

http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Devices/self_generating_driving_force_YuTaTu/index.html

Jesus

nievesoliveras · « **Reply #103 on:** February 23, 2009, 10:01:51 PM »

@all

I think that this guy used a bifilar coil.
The two coils on the picture together with the transistor attached to its side with black or transparent tape.

Then he ,made two similar coils.
Remember the coils will trigger when the magnet pass in front. It will self trigger and then the next one will do the same.

That is my opinion.

AhuraMazda · « **Reply #104 on:** February 23, 2009, 10:18:05 PM »

Here it is in action:

http://www.forgotten-genius.com/03c198996114b5803/03c19899880c15601/index.php

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