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Author Topic: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"  (Read 106470 times)

Offline BEP

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2009, 12:22:51 PM »
I mentioned the battery, in my provided link, because it WAS the difference between my link and the YouTube poster under discussion.

As far as this YouTube poster's line, he hasn't changed. The last few seconds of his video seemed sarcastic. I understand him to still believe, there is no free energy from magnets, and OU researchers are still fools.

BTW:

It is obvious to me, there is no capacitor in his coil, either. The transistor simply turns on, opening the coil, thereby removing Lenz from the problem as the magnet recedes from the coil.

The important parts are:
1. The magnet approaches the coil perpendicular to the axis of the coil
2. The magnet is attracted to the coil core but is resisted by Lenz in the coil.
3. As the magnet approaches the coil, Lenz is a strong factor so the approach is 'cushioned' and 'delayed'
 

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2009, 12:51:52 PM »
I mentioned the battery, in my provided link, because it WAS the difference between my link and the YouTube poster under discussion.

As far as this YouTube poster's line, he hasn't changed. The last few seconds of his video seemed sarcastic. I understand him to still believe, there is no free energy from magnets, and OU researchers are still fools.

BTW:

It is obvious to me, there is no capacitor in his coil, either. The transistor simply turns on, opening the coil, thereby removing Lenz from the problem as the magnet recedes from the coil.

The important parts are:
1. The magnet approaches the coil perpendicular to the axis of the coil
2. The magnet is attracted to the coil core but is resisted by Lenz in the coil.
3. As the magnet approaches the coil, Lenz is a strong factor so the approach is 'cushioned' and 'delayed'
 
well, could be worse, it wasn't made by Desertphile ;D

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2009, 06:36:03 PM »
Regarding the video of the device, my feeling at the moment is that it is a fake. The professor will probably conclude the charade by saying "you see just look how easy it is to fool the lunatic OU researchers".

The irony is that the concept he was using for the scam (shorting coil) does in fact hold some hidden secrets.

Here are some reasons as to why I think it's a fake:

1)
He has made a video in the past explaining just why free energy is impossible in any electromagnetic device:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIgdPV8idFI&feature=channel_page
note: in this video he includes an hilarious out-takes section at the end where his young nubile helper "chelsea" is clutching his tube and asking for directions about how to react to the stunning demonstration of Lenz's law... yawn...

2)
In his introduction speech he states: "I've had a lot of flack from people who want to teach about perpetual motion"

3)
The lego base is very thick, more than thick enough to conceal batteries like lipo packs etc.

4)
He uses an old muffin fan as a bearing, but he leaves the stator and magnet strip in place. At the same time he states how he has to use more coils to overcome friction. If I had been battling with friction, I would have removed everything out of the muffin fan except for the bearings which I would clean and relube with thin oil. I suspect he left the motor intact and the unconnected red and black wire don't tell the full story of soldering extra power wires to the drive board.

5)
At one point he states that it will run on 2 coils but 3 coils are definitely needed if you hang the base board on a wall like a picture. It would be impossible for the lego axle extension to support the lateral weight of the washing machine wheel. I have such a wheel, although it is cast alloy it has considerable weight. We know the lego axle extension is not glued together, he demonstrates dismantling prior to running, this doesn't add up.

6)
At the end of the vid he added on a little, to my ear sarcastic, voiceover stating "invest now, opportunities for those with the foresight for the future, free energy from the vacuum of space...etc..."

The type of character that propogates misinformation is in my mind a very undeveloped character, I pity such a character, I really do!

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2009, 06:36:03 PM »
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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2009, 06:50:10 PM »
The coil concept is interesting and worth a look.

Otherwise, I think the debunker is now the debunkee.

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2009, 07:40:55 PM »
There's an obvious cut and splice at 5:20-5:21, probably the real reason why he has the audio separate from the video.
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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2009, 10:39:52 PM »

There's often no accounting for those college educated types.


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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2009, 02:28:14 AM »
I don't think the video is convincing. There is absolutely no precision in the construction of the demo device and the gap betrween the magnet and the coil is too large for my liking. I do get the feeling he is trying to redicule people taking his demonstration seriously. Another point of distrust is the ways he stipulates the use of LEGO.

At the same time I am asking myself has the fool in his rediculous way really found a way to get energy from magnets? this should be computable buy people who have got the right application/simulation  programs.

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2009, 04:29:34 AM »
Shit, I posted something like that two months ago.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6116.msg141524#msg141524

Approaching a magnet to a coil is maybe OK to open the tran, but where did the juice some from to fly through the collector/emitter. Helloooooo. lol Nahh. His setup does not make sense. Where's the cap discharge. If there is none, where did he get the juice from. That magnet the way it is positioned would never give that type of energy on such a short distance over the coil. lol Nahhhh.
Mine will be better. No battery. Just replace the zenor with a reed contact.

His is so fake it ain't funny.
OK Hint: When his wheel went faster, why was he also moving faster. The second time it went faster, he was the one who turned it. lol

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2009, 04:45:06 AM »
Ok, now I'm pissed.  I see it now.  Next video he will reveal his magic and will act as though he's schooled everyone.  I'm sick of this kind of crap.  If that turns out to be so, I think I need to talk with this guy in person.

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2009, 05:59:36 AM »
OK Hint: When his wheel went faster, why was he also moving faster.
He says in the video that the video portion is sped up

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2009, 06:15:38 AM »
He just sent me an email on youtube stating:


 Re: Re: Your magnet motor
Thank you so much for your interest in my video.
As you can imagine, I have received offers to purchase my work outright, as well as people willing to revile me as a kook. I am somewhat at a loss of what to do next as this project was simply a response to some very aggressive attacks on my other educational videos on electricity and magnetism.
I am on vacation right now and it is all I can do to reply to comments, much less engage in detailed accounts of my work. And as I have not decide which course to follow next I have prepared this reply to all inquires.
Thank You.

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2009, 10:43:40 AM »
Approaching a magnet to a coil is maybe OK to open the tran, but where did the juice some from to fly through the collector/emitter. Helloooooo. lol Nahh. His setup does not make sense. Where's the cap discharge. If there is none, where did he get the juice from. That magnet the way it is positioned would never give that type of energy on such a short distance over the coil. lol Nahhhh.
Mine will be better. No battery. Just replace the zenor with a reed contact.

I agree it is fake.

I have done the experiment of putting a reed over a 240V iron cored coil and then spinning magnets past. No baterries, caps or other storage devices were used. Using a scope you  can move the reed so that it closes at any part of the coils generated sin pulse. The generated sin pulse without reed was about 100v peak to peak. When I put the reed in to short the coil I witnessed very short back emf spikes at 1kV and higher as the reed opened, the reed had purple discharge sparks over the contacts. It suprised me as I was only spinning the small mag wheel by a flick of the fingers.

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2009, 12:45:15 PM »
Ahhh!

Now that we've put this guy in his proper place we can continue drifting aimlessly in a multitude of impossible directions   :o

I wonder who will be next to be driven back into their little corner ???

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2009, 01:03:37 PM »
Ahhh!

Now that we've put this guy in his proper place we can continue drifting aimlessly in a multitude of impossible directions   :o

I wonder who will be next to be driven back into their little corner ???
He stated on youtube that he's going provide additional proof that it turns perpetually.  Let's see what he posts. He's kind of been placed into a spot where the elation of a magic trick style reveal has been removed.  The majority of people posting called BS on him.  He's put himself into a spot with that video so if he intended on putting others on the spot, he lost that high ground.  should be mildly interesting to see how he handles it if it's bogus.

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2009, 02:17:58 PM »
Scam or not scam?Who cares... It's a nice video anyway. :P

 

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