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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: Hugo Chavez on February 15, 2009, 04:00:13 PM
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what do you guys think? I've watched a lot of this guy's videos and he doesn't seem like the type who would fake something:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB1gslDaeS4
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Cool vid. His voice sounds so familiar....I got it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EkBuKQEkio
TS
P.S. I truly hope he has something here, other than a reed switched, coil wrapped, pulsed discharge capacitor/battery
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what do you guys think? I've watched a lot of this guy's videos and he doesn't seem like the type who would fake something:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB1gslDaeS4
If its no hoax, it could be a selfrunner at least.
Looks easy to replicate with common parts from a
washing-machine and some old relais.
hm.
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I'm usually negative on any youtube movies showing OU devices.
But I must admit this one got me hooked. If storing the energy in
a low ESR capacitor before releasing it into the reversed coil at the
exact right timing it should have ever better chances on sucess.
Using low Rds-on mosfets to reverse the pulse will keep losses at minimum.
It's worth trying if I get some spare time from family and work.
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Isn't he misinterpreting lenz's law? If I understand this correctly he has a small coil hooked to the base of a transistor. If the magnet passes this induces a current in the small coil which switches the transistor "on". This transistor is hooked to a bigger coil (see below). Now lenz's law states this will counter act the change in the field. In this case the big coil will ATTRACT the magnet when it's moving away from the coil and not repel it as he's saying in the video. To be honest this looks very fishy.
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Hi broli,
yes but he says at around 2:11 - 2:12 that the other part of the electric valve (i.e. a transistor) opens up the big coil (after the small coil got maximum induction and switched the transistor on....) hmmm English is my second language but is it not what he said?
So the input part of the "valve" must be the base-emitter or gate-source of a bipolar or a FET transistor and the output part must be the collector - emitter or drain - source part. There must be something else (i.e. component) involved.
Could you listen to it again?
rgds, Gyula
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Hmm,
maybe he is using the shorted outBackEMF of the larger coil to repell the magnet ?
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Hi Stefan,
very briefly, how would it work then?
Other thing I forgot: we should consider the effect of iron core in the big coil.
(it seems the small coil has no core but mainly the big coil has, standing out at its backside)
EDIT: the small coil also has the core but the core is a little bit pulled backwards in it.
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The high impedance coil gets shorted by the transistor at just the right time. You need high impedance coil to minimise switching losses in the transistor or FET.
This coil short causes the core to produce overall asymetric (about vertical B axis) BH curve during one complete core mag interatction and so a net force is developed. When you short a coil that coil will act as a flux guide, and will cause the core to be pushed closer to saturation, I think It is similar to whats going on in @crankypants perepetia effect. Most of the Lenz effect is there as usual. But the new effect causes the core to attract the mag just a tiny bit less on the way out. The core will probably cool down slightly if insulated well.
It´s also the same thing that Steorn are trying to capitalise on, their new orbo has a coil, core and mags and probably uses an emebedded low Rds FET mounted on a high impedance coil.
Hmmm. I wonder if a ready wound 240V coil from a fishtank vibropump could have a trigger winding piggy backed on it to trigger a FET? Even if it won´t run a wheel it may give a slower wind down time which would prove something special is going on.
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May I suggest looking at this person's work... http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/magkick.htm
Yes, it uses a battery but use some imagination. Replace the battery with a pickup coil.
BEP
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For one thing, operating at 'far field' will not net enough sharp edge curl eddies to bring great results. Even Lockheed's magnetic beam amplifier is largely misunderstood by rudimentary execution of the concept. The dynamics at work really are very much akin to their more materialistic fluid analogs....the medium is merely much thinner. I think there is perhaps a sobering reason that he employs such generous spacing between stator and rotor.
One might do well to consider the hydrosonic pump as a rough analog to what is being demonstrated here.....It has been proven to put out more heat energy than is expended in electrical energy by the employment of resonance to produce and induce field collapse. Only, curiously converse, at magnetic induction, one is employing a kind of field collapse to induce resonance. By seeking to create a collapse/resonance cycle, a type of greater resonance may be achieved.
Without the Greater resonance long ago established by movement of the Aetheric wind through all that matters, no energy as we understand it, would exist. Such movement is requisite for matter to exist at all. Magnets, by the nature of their manipulated structure, 'sing' at a frequency just below that required to begin interacting with the Aetheric medium in a manner observable as approaching 'solidity'. Tesla's observations on 'solidification of the Aether' could explain much regarding the transduction of 'zero point' energy. If so, then UFO's are both vehicles and energy generators by virtue of singular principle. Much work is being done on nanoscale materials which exhibit amazing magnetostrictive properties.
http://aml.seas.ucla.edu/research/areas/magnetostrictive/overview.htm
Having worked with Terfenol-D for sometime, I can tell you that it is just shy of fantastic....what the kids behind the curtain are doing with similar, newer materials must REALLY be going to their heads! The prospective energies so easily induced by these phase change materials is what really puts the harness on the horse, so to speak. Imagine a material, which by virtue of it's existence, begins putting out great quantities of energy the moment it's 'born'. This is what a permanent magnet is doing, only we reduce the 'practice' a step further in the wrong direction, or at least, a lower direction.
I'm certain a PM could be constructed which, by nature of it's geometry, could produce continual clean energy......
Provided it is held fast so as not to blow away in the wind.
TS
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May I suggest looking at this person's work... http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/magkick.htm
Yes, it uses a battery but use some imagination. Replace the battery with a pickup coil.
BEP
I don't think those coils in the perpetual video are using a battery. That link is showing how the kicker coil is working in toys. in that video he's saying he's using the induced current from the approaching magnet. If he's hiding a battery it's not this guy's style to do so. All his other stuff is on the level.
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All his other stuff is on the level.
Including his other video about free energy being a "myth"? He describes his coil setup, yet talks of not revealing all his secrets for fear of 'discreditation' by the powers that be....
Physics professors are, by and large, themselves the powers that be....regarding the topic of free energy. If he truly has something, there are numerous avenues for him. Apparently high school professors are even more out of the loop than we garden varietal eggplants.
Personally, I can think of much more important reasons to keep quiet about free energy success than 'fear of being discredited.'
TS
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Including his other video about free energy being a "myth"? He describes his coil setup, yet talks of not revealing all his secrets for fear of 'discreditation' by the powers that be....
Physics professors are, by and large, themselves the powers that be....regarding the topic of free energy. If he truly has something, there are numerous avenues for him. Apparently high school professors are even more out of the loop than we garden varietal eggplants.
Personally, I can think of much more important reasons to keep quiet about free energy success than 'fear of being discredited.'
TS
Well, when looking at the range of folks who work on perpetual motion kind of things he just seemed to be a little more on the level with what he's posting. I wasn't trying to turn this into what it's not or evaluate how and why he might have some level of fear or how he would choose to approach posting information he had fear of doing. Just saying that he didn't seem the type to intentionally post a fabrication. He strikes me as having some level of sincerity, that's all.
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I like the logic of this, but I see many flaws in the video. If you look at the start of the video, follow a spoke of the wheel...you will find that it appears as the video was edited or closed loop. At the end of video this is more visable as you can see the focus change to 5 different levels and they repeat themselves.
I would be happy if he could film 5 minutes at normal speed with a laser tacho so we could see the variation in revs.
Mark
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I mentioned the battery, in my provided link, because it WAS the difference between my link and the YouTube poster under discussion.
As far as this YouTube poster's line, he hasn't changed. The last few seconds of his video seemed sarcastic. I understand him to still believe, there is no free energy from magnets, and OU researchers are still fools.
BTW:
It is obvious to me, there is no capacitor in his coil, either. The transistor simply turns on, opening the coil, thereby removing Lenz from the problem as the magnet recedes from the coil.
The important parts are:
1. The magnet approaches the coil perpendicular to the axis of the coil
2. The magnet is attracted to the coil core but is resisted by Lenz in the coil.
3. As the magnet approaches the coil, Lenz is a strong factor so the approach is 'cushioned' and 'delayed'
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I mentioned the battery, in my provided link, because it WAS the difference between my link and the YouTube poster under discussion.
As far as this YouTube poster's line, he hasn't changed. The last few seconds of his video seemed sarcastic. I understand him to still believe, there is no free energy from magnets, and OU researchers are still fools.
BTW:
It is obvious to me, there is no capacitor in his coil, either. The transistor simply turns on, opening the coil, thereby removing Lenz from the problem as the magnet recedes from the coil.
The important parts are:
1. The magnet approaches the coil perpendicular to the axis of the coil
2. The magnet is attracted to the coil core but is resisted by Lenz in the coil.
3. As the magnet approaches the coil, Lenz is a strong factor so the approach is 'cushioned' and 'delayed'
well, could be worse, it wasn't made by Desertphile ;D
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Regarding the video of the device, my feeling at the moment is that it is a fake. The professor will probably conclude the charade by saying "you see just look how easy it is to fool the lunatic OU researchers".
The irony is that the concept he was using for the scam (shorting coil) does in fact hold some hidden secrets.
Here are some reasons as to why I think it's a fake:
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He has made a video in the past explaining just why free energy is impossible in any electromagnetic device:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIgdPV8idFI&feature=channel_page
note: in this video he includes an hilarious out-takes section at the end where his young nubile helper "chelsea" is clutching his tube and asking for directions about how to react to the stunning demonstration of Lenz's law... yawn...
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In his introduction speech he states: "I've had a lot of flack from people who want to teach about perpetual motion"
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The lego base is very thick, more than thick enough to conceal batteries like lipo packs etc.
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He uses an old muffin fan as a bearing, but he leaves the stator and magnet strip in place. At the same time he states how he has to use more coils to overcome friction. If I had been battling with friction, I would have removed everything out of the muffin fan except for the bearings which I would clean and relube with thin oil. I suspect he left the motor intact and the unconnected red and black wire don't tell the full story of soldering extra power wires to the drive board.
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At one point he states that it will run on 2 coils but 3 coils are definitely needed if you hang the base board on a wall like a picture. It would be impossible for the lego axle extension to support the lateral weight of the washing machine wheel. I have such a wheel, although it is cast alloy it has considerable weight. We know the lego axle extension is not glued together, he demonstrates dismantling prior to running, this doesn't add up.
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At the end of the vid he added on a little, to my ear sarcastic, voiceover stating "invest now, opportunities for those with the foresight for the future, free energy from the vacuum of space...etc..."
The type of character that propogates misinformation is in my mind a very undeveloped character, I pity such a character, I really do!
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The coil concept is interesting and worth a look.
Otherwise, I think the debunker is now the debunkee.
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There's an obvious cut and splice at 5:20-5:21, probably the real reason why he has the audio separate from the video.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org http://wsminfo.org
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There's often no accounting for those college educated types.
TS
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I don't think the video is convincing. There is absolutely no precision in the construction of the demo device and the gap betrween the magnet and the coil is too large for my liking. I do get the feeling he is trying to redicule people taking his demonstration seriously. Another point of distrust is the ways he stipulates the use of LEGO.
At the same time I am asking myself has the fool in his rediculous way really found a way to get energy from magnets? this should be computable buy people who have got the right application/simulation programs.
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Shit, I posted something like that two months ago.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6116.msg141524#msg141524
Approaching a magnet to a coil is maybe OK to open the tran, but where did the juice some from to fly through the collector/emitter. Helloooooo. lol Nahh. His setup does not make sense. Where's the cap discharge. If there is none, where did he get the juice from. That magnet the way it is positioned would never give that type of energy on such a short distance over the coil. lol Nahhhh.
Mine will be better. No battery. Just replace the zenor with a reed contact.
His is so fake it ain't funny.
OK Hint: When his wheel went faster, why was he also moving faster. The second time it went faster, he was the one who turned it. lol
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Ok, now I'm pissed. I see it now. Next video he will reveal his magic and will act as though he's schooled everyone. I'm sick of this kind of crap. If that turns out to be so, I think I need to talk with this guy in person.
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OK Hint: When his wheel went faster, why was he also moving faster.
He says in the video that the video portion is sped up
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He just sent me an email on youtube stating:
Re: Re: Your magnet motor
Thank you so much for your interest in my video.
As you can imagine, I have received offers to purchase my work outright, as well as people willing to revile me as a kook. I am somewhat at a loss of what to do next as this project was simply a response to some very aggressive attacks on my other educational videos on electricity and magnetism.
I am on vacation right now and it is all I can do to reply to comments, much less engage in detailed accounts of my work. And as I have not decide which course to follow next I have prepared this reply to all inquires.
Thank You.
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Approaching a magnet to a coil is maybe OK to open the tran, but where did the juice some from to fly through the collector/emitter. Helloooooo. lol Nahh. His setup does not make sense. Where's the cap discharge. If there is none, where did he get the juice from. That magnet the way it is positioned would never give that type of energy on such a short distance over the coil. lol Nahhhh.
Mine will be better. No battery. Just replace the zenor with a reed contact.
I agree it is fake.
I have done the experiment of putting a reed over a 240V iron cored coil and then spinning magnets past. No baterries, caps or other storage devices were used. Using a scope you can move the reed so that it closes at any part of the coils generated sin pulse. The generated sin pulse without reed was about 100v peak to peak. When I put the reed in to short the coil I witnessed very short back emf spikes at 1kV and higher as the reed opened, the reed had purple discharge sparks over the contacts. It suprised me as I was only spinning the small mag wheel by a flick of the fingers.
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Ahhh!
Now that we've put this guy in his proper place we can continue drifting aimlessly in a multitude of impossible directions :o
I wonder who will be next to be driven back into their little corner ???
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Ahhh!
Now that we've put this guy in his proper place we can continue drifting aimlessly in a multitude of impossible directions :o
I wonder who will be next to be driven back into their little corner ???
He stated on youtube that he's going provide additional proof that it turns perpetually. Let's see what he posts. He's kind of been placed into a spot where the elation of a magic trick style reveal has been removed. The majority of people posting called BS on him. He's put himself into a spot with that video so if he intended on putting others on the spot, he lost that high ground. should be mildly interesting to see how he handles it if it's bogus.
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Scam or not scam?Who cares... It's a nice video anyway. :P
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Scam or not scam?Who cares... It's a nice video anyway. :P
Agree.
I wish, my english would be better to explain how we must see the video.
But this was my comment to his "visual".
Hey, this is a great example of how to attract
and teach children about electromagnetics.
Besides of the fact, that your setup cannot autrotate,
I very much hope, that your efford and proposal is to encourage technical interested people.
Instead of trying to prove, that the technical evolution has ended.
PLease use this advantage wisely as a teacher should.
best,
sushi
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new video from the good man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jow_Rt6udA
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Haven't seen it successful with just one stator assembly.....and the timing and efficiency required for contiguous operation seem to preclude what is shown this particular setup. Something definitely more than meets eyes and ears as of yet.
If he has in fact reached OU....Congrats! If not, then he is very likely closer than he realizes, and might perhaps consider one of the famous lines penned by Dumas.
It would be interesting to see the matter break public domain, Once and for All.
TS
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Well, it's clearly running more slowly at the end of the period than at the beginning.
I guess the "zero point OU nozzles" are getting clogged up or something. Or the chocolate bearings are heating up like Steorn's and melting and producing more drag at the end.
Or maybe the batteries are running down.
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He posted a "free energy myth" video and got flamed by some PM believers....his videos since imply a bit of 'puffery' on his part. It would not be hard at all to simply spin his wheel, charge up the capacitors in his coils, and then run them out.
If it's one thing I know, if I know anything, about FE......
Dystopian chuckling will be the order of the day if and when it (in it's simple form) is allowed to drop mainstream.
TS
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Well, it's clearly running more slowly at the end of the period than at the beginning.
I guess the "zero point OU nozzles" are getting clogged up or something. Or the chocolate bearings are heating up like Steorn's and melting and producing more drag at the end.
Or maybe the batteries are running down.
It started with hardly any initial inertia. It appeared to slow a bit toward the end but by the end it had again sped up.
This video is exciting imo. I don't really care that he's come down on overunity before. This is worth playing with regardless of who released it. I'd still explore this angle if the dreaded desertphile released a vid like this and he would say this video is a hoax. I hope I'm not wrong but I don't think he's pulling any fakery at this point. It would be hard for him to turn it, at this point, into a "lesson."
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It started with hardly any initial inertia
Yes, quite curious given that his process supposedly depends on it. The amount of energy input at startup seemingly relies upon stored energy of some kind in order to generate acceleration.
Qin Gang's discovery holds obvious potential. IF his video is genuine, and he has found the way to do in solid state what Qin implies via dynamic means, (which seems unlikely) then he is in for quite a ride.
Though, given what Bearden has to say as of late, it appears that the veil could begin being torn from different directions at once.
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/020609.htm
I know.
What else is new, right?
TS
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Scam or not scam?Who cares... It's a nice video anyway. :P
Who cares? Anybody who is seriously looking for such effects and actively researching that´s who.
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Who cares? Anybody who is seriously looking for such effects and actively researching that´s who.
I do. At least for the academic aspects.
His explanation of Lenz forces are very good visualized and described.
Everything around that is just to attract and make viewers think.
Youtube is not just a plattform for OU-Research.
My little son immediately understood the Lenz-Law
and i were easyliy able to describe the problems to overcome.
Thats why i care.
best,
sushi
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We must all remember that his wheel is mounted on a motor.
In his last video it does slow down near the end. Maybe his two 9V rechargeables in the base are getting low.
He is careful not to expose the underside when dismantling at the end.
Also considering he is a professor, one would think he had been eager to document this effect in some kind of report.
This is clearly somebody who thinks he´s clever enough to fool the "stupid FE researchers". I´m sure he thinks the dumbo known as desertphile (aka desertshite) is a really good bloke.
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I do. At least for the academic aspects.
His explanation of Lenz forces are very good visualized and described.
I agree that it´s good to teach kids about electromagnetics. However I do not agree on teaching by lying about anything. In my opinion lying is really bad. Something that should be discouraged at all costs.
Everything around that is just to attract and make viewers think.
So you are saying that the title and concept are just a hook in order to attract viewers to think about physics a little more? He clearly professes to have achieved a perpetual coil/mag motor, he has not, he is lying about that, it´s a really stupid thing to do.
Youtube is not just a plattform for OU-Research.
I agree.
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I agree that it´s good to teach kids about electromagnetics. However I do not agree on teaching by lying about anything. In my opinion lying is really bad. Something that should be discouraged at all costs.
So you are saying that the title and concept are just a hook in order to attract viewers to think about physics a little more? He clearly professes to have achieved a perpetual coil/mag motor, he has not, he is lying about that, it´s a really stupid thing to do.
I agree.
Yo.
I have had some conversation with him via email .
As a teacher, he must attract his students other than
with plain formulas. Like Advertisement is doing as well,
ADs and Movies are "lying" to us all the time in order to get attention.
With youtube, he makes the whole world like students..
Another educating video which is plain explaining Lenz Forces only
would not have attract that many kids.
If kids (and childish adults;) are understanding, why the Lego-setup could not work,
they do have a very good basis to work on their own solutions.
Thats, why i do like his style.
He is a science-fiction fan, but restricted to teach those futuristic theories at school.
.... What is obviously understandable somehow . ;D
Best,
sushi
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Yes, quite curious given that his process supposedly depends on it. The amount of energy input at startup seemingly relies upon stored energy of some kind in order to generate acceleration.
Qin Gang's discovery holds obvious potential. IF his video is genuine, and he has found the way to do in solid state what Qin implies via dynamic means, (which seems unlikely) then he is in for quite a ride.
Though, given what Bearden has to say as of late, it appears that the veil could begin being torn from different directions at once.
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/020609.htm
I know.
What else is new, right?
TS
good point... I'm no doubt over eager to see something like this be legit.
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We must all remember that his wheel is mounted on a motor.
In his last video it does slow down near the end. Maybe his two 9V rechargeables in the base are getting low.
He is careful not to expose the underside when dismantling at the end.
Also considering he is a professor, one would think he had been eager to document this effect in some kind of report.
This is clearly somebody who thinks he´s clever enough to fool the "stupid FE researchers". I´m sure he thinks the dumbo known as desertphile (aka desertshite) is a really good bloke.
God I really hate Desertphile. Doesn't he sound and look drunk as hell in his videos? I bet he has to down a pint to be able to spew that garbage.
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God I really hate Desertphile. Doesn't he sound and look drunk as hell in his videos? I bet he has to down a pint to be able to spew that garbage.
Lol, yeah, probably a pint of hard liquor the miserable old souse!
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Yo.
I have had some conversation with him via email .
Did he reveal that the device has batteries in it?
As a teacher, he must attract his students other than with plain formulas. Like Advertisement is doing as well, ADs and Movies are "lying" to us all the time in order to get attention.
Another educating video which is plain explaining Lenz Forces only would not have attract that many kids. If kids (and childish adults;) are understanding, why the Lego-setup could not work, they do have a very good basis to work on their own solutions.
So you think a free energy youtube vid will attract kids not usually interested in science? I have found that if you try to talk to anyone not interested in science about free energy or overunity, that person will not be interested. They won´t suddenly say:
"whooo free energy, tell me more about the science in it!"
The only people he´s attracting with the OU video is OU researchers, most of whom will be more familiar with electromagnetics than him.
Also ads don´t lie, they exagerate maybe, but not lie. Imagine an ad saying $5 for this 500g packet of food. You buy the packet only to find it full of dirt!
Thats, why i do like his style. He is a science-fiction fan, but restricted to teach those futuristic theories at school. .... What is obviously understandable somehow . ;D
Science fiction fan or not. It´s not good to try and sell ideas using lies that might waste others time.
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Hi everyone,
please remember he is a teacher and there is a lesson involved here. Howmany technologies have we viewed here inthe last few years only to realise they did not have any overunity?
I am sure in good time the teacher will reveal all. In the mean time ask yourself the question why is this not possible?
Over many years of verifying technologies I.E. magentic devices etc, I have often seen devices that appear real....but in every single case an answer was eventually found why they were not self running or overunity.
In this case the answer has been revealed by someone else in this thread.
Watch out for future video's....I am sure they will be very revealing.
Kind Regards
Mark
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Hi everyone,
please remember he is a teacher and there is a lesson involved here. Howmany technologies have we viewed here inthe last few years only to realise they did not have any overunity?
I am sure in good time the teacher will reveal all. In the mean time ask yourself the question why is this not possible?
Over many years of verifying technologies I.E. magentic devices etc, I have often seen devices that appear real....but in every single case an answer was eventually found why they were not self running or overunity.
In this case the answer has been revealed by someone else in this thread.
Watch out for future video's....I am sure they will be very revealing.
Kind Regards
Mark
Hi Mark,
Nice to hear you out there again. This one was interesting to watch but it appeared to have no power (strength) to it anyway. Wouldn't it be nice if it were that easy to do... The one to watch will be able to accelerate up to speed.
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Hi Guys,
This Lego machine looks amazing. Does it not?
A kinda Bedini's SSG without any input Bat ???
Or a big fake ???
I do not like the puffy and boasting tonality of his discourse.
As far as I can catch it he said:
"I got a lot of flake from people who want to teach about perpetual motion. So I decided I would simply build a perpetual motion machine so I can explain the principle to people and I will not have to argue about it any more".
I would bet for a big f' deceit! IMHO, this guy is kidding us.
For ex: a fan has good bearings indeed; but if you do not remove the coils it will, when hand set in motion, act as a generator and quickly stall (spin not freely). See 0:03:47 frames.
Best
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Hi Yucca,
Perhaps it is thin ice for me now, because its a sensible thema
and english is not my native tounge, i will try to explain my opinion.
Did he reveal that the device has batteries in it?
Are you asking all the experimenters to leave out their fingers of their devices?
Till today, i have'nt seen any selfrunning devices. Youtube's devices are full of fingers and batteries.
But besides of that, a lot of videos are encouraging nevertheless.
The explained principles are true. And maybe, with more sandwich-coils and tighter air-gap it will work.
Look at Bedini or Adams replications.
So you think a free energy youtube vid will attract kids not usually interested in science? I have found that if you try to talk to anyone not interested in science about free energy or overunity, that person will not be interested. They won´t suddenly say:
"whooo free energy, tell me more about the science in it!"
Example:
One day, my son asked me a question:
"If a dynamo produces electricity by rotating its shaft and
a motor spins when you put in electricity. Why not simply combine the two by their axis?"
At first, I had to explain a DC-motor. Explaining a generator was easy, because its basically the same.
So he asked:
"So why not putting two coils like a sandwich and you have a motor and generator in one device?"
Huh. Friction losses are easy to explain, but what about Mr.Lenz, Mr. Faraday and Eddy?
I am able to explain their "Laws" but the laws are still leaving some space for creativity.
And here we are. My little son and tenthousands of OU-Researchers.
Look at Thane, Whoopy and others which are doing a great job.
Also ads don´t lie, they exagerate maybe, but not lie. Imagine an ad saying $5 for this 500g packet of food. You buy the packet only to find it full of dirt!
I dont know, where you live, but here in germany we are always seeing cars flying,
laser swords, detergents washing whiter than white,etc in our TV-Commercials.
Is that exagerating? Where is the border beetween exagerating and lying?
Have you ever hold a real BigMac as seen on the Glossy photos above the counter?
Are you complaining these lies?
This Lego-Professor is 100% true with the shown theory visualized by his setup .
Science fiction fan or not. It´s not good to try and sell ideas using lies that might waste others time.
He is not selling anything.
And if you feel to waste your lifetime with learning physics or by researching OU in general,
you should really not watch most youtube videos.
Youtube is entertainment and education in one.
So is his movie.
If Scotty is beaming up Kirk in a movie,
are you running to your garage to build a heisenberg compensator to build a "beam-bay" for travelling?
No, but we are all dreaming that it will happen one day.
best,
sushi
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This is a demonstration of concept. Im not prepared at this point to reveal all my secrets. Im concerned that if I present too much information that the authorities will try and discredit me. Right now its just a cute toy. Im sure that you understand.
can you believe this guy?!
classic!
i guess fame is more important than saving the world?
if he doesn't open source this not only will the "authorities" discredit him and probably kill him but will also make it disappear from public never to be seen.
what's next?...his going to go to the patent office? lol classic!
* that's if this is for real and he actually has a working device that is truly free energy/over unity.
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Hmm,
now he is selling
Rail Gun DIY kits,
so were these other perpetual wheel videos
just to make some free advertisement for the
Rail Gun kits ?
Would be better ifhe would sell the coils and transistors for the perpetual wheel .
That would be much more interesting and he would sell much more !
Regards, Stefan.
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My comments on his video are in:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2794.msg159001#msg159001
We shall reproduce his setup and make it demonstrate overunity. That can be a good teaching tool to complement our flying saucer proof-of-concept set.
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Hmm,
now he is selling
Rail Gun DIY kits,
so were these other perpetual wheel videos
just to make some free advertisement for the
Rail Gun kits ?
Would be better ifhe would sell the coils and transistors for the perpetual wheel .
That would be much more interesting and he would sell much more !
Regards, Stefan.
Stefan,
He simply will not sell the coils for two reasons;
first, they dont have much educational effect and
second, they just dont work to build OU.
He is not there to sell much more and nor to supply parts as "DIY Overunity-Kits".
He is a teacher.
For this small set of steel&magnet balls he asks for 5$ in a comic-bubble.
Is that worth to start a big business campaign?
Thats not his mission.
You guys here (as i do) must understand,
that there is a huge gap beetween advanced researchers here and
"common people" outside.
90% of the youth is playing Computergames,
but if electricity fails, they are not able to make a fire
due to the lack of basic knowledge in physics.
These 90% are by far not able to make electricity.
Most people here could at least imagine and construct a "shaker flashlight"
with a capacitor coil and a magnet.
Maybe, with 5$ of investment, you could get your children
away from Doom or such ego-shooter
to awake some interest in real life.
Its not a gun, but an attractive real-live experience.
best,
sushi
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I think I now have a very good idea, how it can work.
Have a look at the following picture.
I borrowed a picture from JL. Naudin´s coil research and modified it.
Dr. Altmann uses pretty big diameter sized permanent magnets.
So if he has 2 coils on the spool, one with a very large turn number coil
with fine wire size and
one very low turn coil with bigger wire diameter,it is a perfect solution.
Now see the induction voltage from the picture when we use a graetz
bridge rectifier on the large turn coil.
This will generate quite a nice induction voltage into a cap after the graetz bridge.
So an incoming rotating magnet can charge up a 100 nF cap behind the graetz bridge probably to
around a few Volts already.
Now comes the tricky part.
To get a good repelling pulse, we have to use the whole cap energy
and have to discharge it in a short amount of time into the second
low turn coil which will be wired in repelling mode.
This can be done by a voltage comparator circuit, in the simplest form
of a zenerdiode to fire the transistor or FET to discharge the cap energy storage
into the low turn number second coil.
As this second coil has a low ohmical resistance the current buildup
is really quick and thus there willbe flowing probably at least an amp
in a few milliseconds for a short period of time, which will
generate a pretty strong repelling magnet field...
So all in all this circuit might work pretty well and it is not so mysterious as
it looks.
It just depends of the 2 coils, what the high turn number coil can generate for an induction voltage
into the cap and then how this stored energy can best be used to repell the passing magnet.
As the magnet is pretty wide in diameter, it is still in the transit, when the cap is already charged after
the pulses from the scopeshot, so coil 2 can still repell it with some force.
So maybe if we make the magnet still wider or use 2 magnets side by side,
the repelling force will be much better, as there will be still enough magnet surface there after
the voltage spikes,so all depends on the setup of the magnets and the coils to each other.
It could also be beneficail to have the 2 coils not on the same spool but to have them side by
side, so the first high turn coil can charge up the cap and then the second low turn
coil can fire the repelling pulse, when it is exactly top dead center over it.
The trick is really to use 2 different turn number coils, as there is the induction voltage
difference of a high turn coil versus a low turn coil, which is okay to charge up the cap.
Regards, Stefan.
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Okay, I have been drawing up now the complete circuit
how I think it could be done.
Remember, that the low turn coil L2 must be
reverse connected versus high turn number coil L1.
Hope this helps.
Please post your comments.
Regards, Stefan.
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Here is an updated image which shows the
possible cap voltage over time.
It might be, that it is okay, ifthe low
turn coil L2 only repells during
each second pass by of a magnet,
but then the cap will have more charge
and the repelling pulse will be much higher.
What do you think ?
Regards, Stefan.
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Here is an updated image which shows the
possible cap voltage over time.
It might be, that it is okay, ifthe low
turn coil L2 only repells during
each second pass by of a magnet,
but then the cap will have more charge
and the repelling pulse will be much higher.
What do you think ?
Regards, Stefan.
Nice diagrams. Why not build this and then report how well it works to all?
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Here is an updated image which shows the
possible cap voltage over time.
It might be, that it is okay, ifthe low
turn coil L2 only repells during
each second pass by of a magnet,
but then the cap will have more charge
and the repelling pulse will be much higher.
What do you think ?
Regards, Stefan.
Hi Stefan,
This circuit is a good starter.
in conjunction with some Joule-Thief to amplify
and another opto for timing the "firing" it could be completed.
How do you think about our friends Mr.Lenz and Eddy?
best, sushi
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Get the waveform to turn in at the bottom a bit and I think you've got something....
lol.
TS
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It's odd that even after revealing that the device is sitting on a motor ...
It may look like it's running freely, but my instincts are telling my that there's a hole in the table, and power running to the fan - that the coils are just useless ornaments and the lecture is a theory demonstration. Ahem - hypothesis.
Try reading this thread: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6645.0 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6645.0)
Does this guy even have a website?
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Even though this video is listed as Category: Entertainment on Youtube it makes for some good discussion. I wonder how much power is produced by the coil whenthe magnet passes the coil?
Bill
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I think I now have a very good idea, how it can work.
Have a look at the following picture.
I borrowed a picture from JL. Naudin´s coil research and modified it.
Dr. Altmann uses pretty big diameter sized permanent magnets.
So if he has 2 coils on the spool, one with a very large turn number coil
with fine wire size and
one very low turn coil with bigger wire diameter,it is a perfect solution.
Now see the induction voltage from the picture when we use a graetz
bridge rectifier on the large turn coil.
This will generate quite a nice induction voltage into a cap after the graetz bridge.
So an incoming rotating magnet can charge up a 100 nF cap behind the graetz bridge probably to
around a few Volts already.
Now comes the tricky part.
To get a good repelling pulse, we have to use the whole cap energy
and have to discharge it in a short amount of time into the second
low turn coil which will be wired in repelling mode.
This can be done by a voltage comparator circuit, in the simplest form
of a zenerdiode to fire the transistor or FET to discharge the cap energy storage
into the low turn number second coil.
As this second coil has a low ohmical resistance the current buildup
is really quick and thus there willbe flowing probably at least an amp
in a few milliseconds for a short period of time, which will
generate a pretty strong repelling magnet field...
So all in all this circuit might work pretty well and it is not so mysterious as
it looks.
It just depends of the 2 coils, what the high turn number coil can generate for an induction voltage
into the cap and then how this stored energy can best be used to repell the passing magnet.
As the magnet is pretty wide in diameter, it is still in the transit, when the cap is already charged after
the pulses from the scopeshot, so coil 2 can still repell it with some force.
So maybe if we make the magnet still wider or use 2 magnets side by side,
the repelling force will be much better, as there will be still enough magnet surface there after
the voltage spikes,so all depends on the setup of the magnets and the coils to each other.
It could also be beneficail to have the 2 coils not on the same spool but to have them side by
side, so the first high turn coil can charge up the cap and then the second low turn
coil can fire the repelling pulse, when it is exactly top dead center over it.
The trick is really to use 2 different turn number coils, as there is the induction voltage
difference of a high turn coil versus a low turn coil, which is okay to charge up the cap.
Regards, Stefan.
Dear Stefan,
Excellent job.
Two teams from our side of the World (Hong Kong and China) will take up the experimental testing. They are also experimenting with the pulse DC circuits with program control.
The theory is similar. When a magnet is attracted to a stationary coil, it will increase in velocity. If the coil suddenly lost it magnetism when the magnet is at the highest velocity, the magnet will not be attracted back. If the coil suddenly changes polarity, the repulsion will further push the magnet away.
One obvious technique is the use of Pulse Current which has beed successfully demonstrated in the Newman, Bedini, Adams and the 225 HP Pulse Motor.
This Dr. Altmann technique of using two coils and a transistor to do the equivalent is a great teaching tool. It may not lead-out as much energy as the Pulse Current technique but it helps in the understanding.
Please continue your brilliant work. We have learned much from you et al. The World benefits because of your tireless efforts.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qF3v9LZmfQ&feature=subscription
enjoy
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Well at least OU.com got a mention for having intelligent folks.
Bill
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@Bill
Phew...
Thanks, I needed that. For a minute there I felt my I.Q. drop watching Chelsea and not the test.
Also, I got a positive response back on youtube.
--giantkiller.
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We rest our case.
Next.........
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Dear Stefan,
Excellent job.
Two teams from our side of the World (Hong Kong and China) will take up the experimental testing. They are also experimenting with the pulse DC circuits with program control.
The theory is similar. When a magnet is attracted to a stationary coil, it will increase in velocity. If the coil suddenly lost it magnetism when the magnet is at the highest velocity, the magnet will not be attracted back. If the coil suddenly changes polarity, the repulsion will further push the magnet away.
One obvious technique is the use of Pulse Current which has beed successfully demonstrated in the Newman, Bedini, Adams and the 225 HP Pulse Motor.
This Dr. Altmann technique of using two coils and a transistor to do the equivalent is a great teaching tool. It may not lead-out as much energy as the Pulse Current technique but it helps in the understanding.
Please continue your brilliant work. We have learned much from you et al. The World benefits because of your tireless efforts.
@Tseung
It seemed like you're ever so sure that every possible O.U device has to havr the magic Lee-Tseung witch brew?
Well, sorry to disappoint you. Looks like you really are so delusional you can't tell what is real and what is trickery!
http://www.youtube.com/user/Starcross42
Now, don't you look silly now?
Maybe you'll stop posting your Lee-Tseung nonsense once and for all. Stephan can save some hosting money on delusional nonsense. eh?
You don't need two teams, you need to take some medication. Really.
cheers
chrisC
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qF3v9LZmfQ&feature=subscription
enjoy
He says the fan motor charges the cap and the stored energy is used to pulse the coils. There are some peculiarities about this:
A muffin fan, like the one he uses, is a brushless multiphase device that has an inbuilt controller circuit to generate the correct phases. When you handspin one of these fans, they will NOT generate potential across the power input wires. You can not use one of these fans as a generator. Only if you remove the control circuit would you have a multiphase generator to which you would have to connect a rectification network in order to charge a cap.
When I study the video very carefully it looks like the wires connecting the "cap" to the fan are just spoof wires, they are clipped off at the fan end and do not penetrate the baseboard at all, just hot glued on. This is very obvious when you view the video full size and pause and then study the shadow cast by the wire. His finger is also eager to cover the end of this wire. You will also note that he did not bother to route grooves in the wooden base for this wire wheras he did for the coil drive wires, an obvious spoof addon at the end.
The "capacitor" seems to be sitting in a rectangular hole, a hole that would hold a PP3 9V cell perfectly. The "capacitor" is too tall for the baseboard so the baseboard does not rest on the table but wobbles about on this. If he took the trouble to route grooves for the coil drive wires then why would he have the cap sitting proud. Also in all earlier vids the baseboard does NOT sit proud, it sits flat. We can conclude that the running vids did not use the green "capacitor" as a power source.
Note:
The "cap" underneath may not be a cap at all. It looks like a PCB mountable NiMH cell, usually used for UPS in RAM or clock circuits etc. It will probably be 3.5V and judging by the size of it several hundred mAH capacity, possibly approaching 1AH. So capable of holding quite a few Joules, far more than an equivalently sized capacitor, even if it were an ultracap.
So he added some extras to his reveal in order to make it look like he was trying to feedback fan generated power to the drive "cap". For what reason I don´t know, maybe it was a token gesture to the FE community sort of like saying "see I WAS trying to get a self runner".
I suspect the original held a 9V pp3 NiCd or NiMH cell that drove the transitorised coils.
His 20min run video is now explained, it was slowing at the end because his cell was beginning to drop off.
Anyway, kudos to him "revealing" in the end, he made a nice pulse motor with his transitorised coils with inbuilt triggers. Maybe he was closer to a FE device than he thought!
edit:
I will say this. This guys whole escapade was VERY UNSCIENTIFIC! His motive for doing this is still unclear to me?
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Hi Yucca,
Perhaps it is thin ice for me now, because its a sensible thema
and english is not my native tounge, i will try to explain my opinion.
Are you asking all the experimenters to leave out their fingers of their devices?
Till today, i have'nt seen any selfrunning devices. Youtube's devices are full of fingers and batteries.
But besides of that, a lot of videos are encouraging nevertheless.
The explained principles are true. And maybe, with more sandwich-coils and tighter air-gap it will work.
Look at Bedini or Adams replications.Example:
One day, my son asked me a question:
"If a dynamo produces electricity by rotating its shaft and
a motor spins when you put in electricity. Why not simply combine the two by their axis?"
At first, I had to explain a DC-motor. Explaining a generator was easy, because its basically the same.
So he asked:
"So why not putting two coils like a sandwich and you have a motor and generator in one device?"
Huh. Friction losses are easy to explain, but what about Mr.Lenz, Mr. Faraday and Eddy?
I am able to explain their "Laws" but the laws are still leaving some space for creativity.
And here we are. My little son and tenthousands of OU-Researchers.
Look at Thane, Whoopy and others which are doing a great job.I dont know, where you live, but here in germany we are always seeing cars flying,
laser swords, detergents washing whiter than white,etc in our TV-Commercials.
Is that exagerating? Where is the border beetween exagerating and lying?
Have you ever hold a real BigMac as seen on the Glossy photos above the counter?
Are you complaining these lies?
This Lego-Professor is 100% true with the shown theory visualized by his setup .
He is not selling anything.
And if you feel to waste your lifetime with learning physics or by researching OU in general,
you should really not watch most youtube videos.
Youtube is entertainment and education in one.
So is his movie.
If Scotty is beaming up Kirk in a movie,
are you running to your garage to build a heisenberg compensator to build a "beam-bay" for travelling?
No, but we are all dreaming that it will happen one day.
best,
sushi
Sushi,
Worry not, your command of the English language is EXCELLENT! I am slowly learning Spanish and I would love to speak it as well as you speak English.
Yes I am very familiar with Woopy and his UCC coil idea for pulse motors, I am working alongside him and developing embedded software so that we can both search for any peculiarities in the coil:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6727.msg157560#msg157560
My research in this very area was interrupted by this video which turned out to be fake. I guess that´s why I got a little fired up about it all.
All the best, Yucca.
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Starcross42 revealed himself as a firstclass twit. I appologize to everyone for giving the clown any benefit of doubt. I'm totally floored that he says he was hoping for the level of thinking that would guess a battery or capacitor. Oh brother. His lesson is that these things can be faked with a battery/capacitor? I'm quite sure everyone knew that to be an easy possibility. Wow, thanks Starcross42 I feel so much smarter now knowing these items can be faked ::)
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At least it brought an interesting concept up from Stefan. This is really the cool part about everything. As long as we believe something works we can make our working design out of the vague idea even though it has nothing to do with the original idea, that's how creative minds work.
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what do you guys think? I've watched a lot of this guy's videos and he doesn't seem like the type who would fake something:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB1gslDaeS4
This will simply not work. The reason is simple:
When the base of the transistor is activated so the transistor shortcircuits the biggest coil, that biggest coil will not push the magnet away when the magnet is passing, but attract it with backward force - according to Lentz law. He claims that the coil is turned into an electromagnet, that is correct. He also claims that the coil is pushing the magnet away, which is also true, BUT that push is ALLWAYS when the coil is approaching the magnet. Is short: A shortcurcuit coil works like a break on a moving magnet regardless on what direction the magnet is moving.
Br.
Vidar
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The concept is still intriguing.
‘Kick’ coils do work. They are the heart of many perpetual motion toys. However, they do not work by ‘opening’ a coil circuit so Lenz does not work during part of the cycle. – Not that I have seen.
I’ll give him credit for parts of his pre-reveal theory of operation being original but his build is not.
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The concept is still intriguing.
‘Kick’ coils do work. They are the heart of many perpetual motion toys. However, they do no work by ‘opening’ a coil circuit so Lenz does not work during part of the cycle. – Not that I have seen.
I’ll give him credit for parts of his pre-reveal theory of operation being original but his build is not.
Hi,
if you consider his build as a "visualisalizion", then it should get some credit too.
... Maybe not by the sophisticated community, but to the common sense and kids imagination.
He wants to leave room for their own creativity.
best regards, sushi
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Yes. His videos are better than most :)
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Sushi,
Worry not, your command of the English language is EXCELLENT! I am slowly learning Spanish and I would love to speak it as well as you speak English.
Yes I am very familiar with Woopy and his UCC coil idea for pulse motors, I am working alongside him and developing embedded software so that we can both search for any peculiarities in the coil:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6727.msg157560#msg157560
My research in this very area was interrupted by this video which turned out to be fake. I guess that´s why I got a little fired up about it all.
All the best, Yucca.
Thanks a lot Yucca,
Sorry , that i forgot to mention your excellent proposal and participation on the UCC stuff.
I am currently setting up a new workshop to concentrate and professionalize my own work on this (and other) physical issue(s).
Like whoopy, my first goal is not OU but an effective DC-motor for flying gyrocopters and driving other vehicles.
Till my workshop is finished, i am investigating the "value" of communication and participation via the "open" internet.
As you can see here and at knitel's thread , we do have a lot of work to bring "different worlds" together in order to get a mutual partnership.
But i believe it's worth it.
Very best regards,
sushimoto
PS: @BEP
YES! :)
I am happy, that you are one of those who got it.
Open minded enough, to change the world.
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To Starcross42 ...
You must be brain dead if you think there's a great lesson in hoaxing a perpetual motion machine with a capacitor... LOL Hoaxed devices are like roadside litter, everywhere. Hoaxing PM goes back a long time. Charles Redheffer 1812 and probably further back. Most of them more clever than this. This wasn't a lesson for anyone. It was a self serving stunt at the expense of others. The only reason I gave you any chance is that you seemed like a person with integrity. Nope...
You complain about being blocked by other people and you delete all my replies and block me. Can't take the heat, stay out of the kichen "Starcross42"
Starcross42 blocked me and here's the reason he gave.
First Starcross42 tells me this story:
"I had a student talk to me about molecular harmonic resonance and what I thought about it. I wanted to be supportive so I encouraged him to pursue the math. When the police got to him a week later he was naked and lying in a pool of his own blood. He thought that if he tuned himself just right, he could run at the speed of light, go back in time, and stop 9/11 from happening. "
Then Starcross42 said since then he's been skeptical of psuedo science. Of course I read his reply and Called it, "Grade AAA BS"
Then Starcross42 deleted every single comment I made on his video and e-mailed this to me:
"Hugo".
BS?
That student was my son!
You are blocked from my site.
::)
This from a guy, Starcross42, that complains about being blocked from other sites on youtube.
He wanted Stefen to invide him. Basically didn't want to post without an invite. I saw Starcross42 do this to another site and when the debate got tough, Starcross42 pulled his, "you invited me" card out like it's a superman suit ::)
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This will simply not work. The reason is simple:
When the base of the transistor is activated so the transistor shortcircuits the biggest coil, that biggest coil will not push the magnet away when the magnet is passing, but attract it with backward force - according to Lentz law. He claims that the coil is turned into an electromagnet, that is correct. He also claims that the coil is pushing the magnet away, which is also true, BUT that push is ALLWAYS when the coil is approaching the magnet. Is short: A shortcurcuit coil works like a break on a moving magnet regardless on what direction the magnet is moving.
Br.
Vidar
in Starcross42 comment section, Starcross42 suggested some secrecy in the coil itself so I was open somewhat until we found out more about the coil. Which turned out to be a lie. For Starcross42 to say he was teaching and wanted people to work out the truth, why include a lie in the problem that could introduce any possibility? When Starcross42 says stuff like that, it's bait for his self gratification, not a valid lesson of any kind.
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He describes his coil setup, yet talks of not revealing all his secrets for fear of 'discreditation' by the powers that be....
Quoted for truth. It seems Starcross42 decided to remove his own comment about not revealing something about the coils. He made that secret comment as a reply when asked about the coils. I guess Starcross42's explanation in his reveal didn't quit work with leaving the lie contained in the comment section of his first video. If this is the way he teaches, no thanks. lol
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Pfft staying out of the kitchen is wise.
I find the son stuff bs too as i feel that, what has been done has been done, no one will be able to go back in time, i believe.
In my mind, i admit there would have been losses even if it ran without a capacitor and slow down, i mean if this thing was not harnessing scalar or whatever it would slow down, but then i believe overunity devices would have losses.
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I know my anger will offend some and I'm sorry if it does. I've just had it with all fakery around PM and OU. I know it might spur some ideas, but for the most part it's my experience that far more time is wasted for all by this kind of constant trickery than any benefit. It also makes a mockery of anyone who believes in the possibilities and that does tick me off some. So I'm sorry but just tired of seeing people played with. This is a great site. I've read it for a long time and I appreciate all the people who put an honest effort into the concepts here.
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Quoted for truth. It seems Starcross42 decided to remove his own comment about not revealing something about the coils. He made that secret comment as a reply when asked about the coils. I guess Starcross42's explanation in his reveal didn't quit work with leaving the lie contained in the comment section of his first video. If this is the way he teaches, no thanks. lol
Hugo,
May I kindly please you to relax a moment in order to clear up and
understand what the true purpose of Starcross42's Visualization is?
After we are clearly open minded and free of negative emotions, I am willing to
post some of my conversation with him via e-mail.*
It is absolutely unneccesary to poke this man with (over)sophisticated
questions about the construction of a working perpetuum mobile.
For some simple reasons you will never get an answer from him.
His job is not to give solutions.
His Job is to make kids (people) able,
to find their own solutions on given problems.
Please open your mind and stop this campaign until you've got the point.
If you have Kids, you will very much appreciate Teachers like Dr.Altman.
best regards,
sushi
*if interested.
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Hugo,
May I kindly please you to relax a moment in order to clear up and
understand what the true purpose of Starcross42's Visualization is?
After we are clearly open minded and free of negative emotions, I am willing to
post some of my conversation with him via e-mail.
It is absolutely unneccesary to poke this man with (over)sophisticated
questions about the construction of a working perpetuum mobile.
For some simple reasons you will never get an answer from him.
His job is not to give solutions.
His Job is to make kids (people) able,
to find their own solutions on given problems.
Please open your mind and stop this campaign until you've got the point.
If you have Kids, you will very much appreciate Teachers like Dr.Altman.
best regards,
sushi
He did lie about there being a secret to the coil. How will students learn with lies introduced to the problem in a fashion as to not be able to find a definitive answer without a reveal? He's posting this on youtube and addressed it to people, not students. He didn't do this in his classroom, he did it for everyone to see. But I am going to drop it, just more time being wasted at this point.
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He did lie about there being a secret to the coil. How will students learn with lies introduced to the problem in a fashion as to not be able to find a definitive answer without a reveal? He's posting this on youtube and addressed it to people, not students. He didn't do this in his classroom, he did it for everyone to see. But I am going to drop it, just more time being wasted at this point.
I dont know what he answered to you about coils and how to wind them etc.
But in the way you are acting, i can imagine that he just answered anything to get rid of you.
If i were in his situation, I probably would be not that patient with you.
All the questions about "lying" are already answered in this thread.
Do you think, I should not waste my time to explain the
sociological and pedagogically aspects to you?
I do it, because this rigid attitude is blocking a lot of progress here.
When i was at school, my physics-teacher denied every thinking other than in the books described.
So therefore, i am happy that kids of today are having teachers like him.
And I am happy to show all of his videos to my kids here in germany.
And here are three reasons why you should appreciate his video
concerning "perpetual motion" as well:
At first,
it makes people think.
thinking about technical and physical facts.
thinking about history.
thinking about political and economical aspects.
thinking about ways to educate the youth.
thinking about reality instead of computer games.
At second,
a perpetual motion machine makes you learn of all of the above.
and third
its fun!
I already commented this on youtube.
But here is a video especially for YOU.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qF3v9LZmfQ&feature=channel_page
... making you think further. ;)
best regards,
sushi
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PS: As you can see, I am one of his victims too.
...Trying to make this a better forum/world with respects to free your minds.
LOL
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I dont know what he answered to you about coils and how to wind them etc.
But in the way you are acting, i can imagine that he just answered anything to get rid of you.
If i were in his situation, I probably would be not that patient with you.
All the questions about "lying" are already answered in this thread.
Do you think, I should not waste my time to explain the
sociological and pedagogically aspects to you?
I do it, because this rigid attitude is blocking a lot of progress here.
When i was at school, my physics-teacher denied every thinking other than in the books described.
So therefore, i am happy that kids of today are having teachers like him.
And I am happy to show all of his videos to my kids here in germany.
And here are three reasons why you should appreciate his video
concerning "perpetual motion" as well:
At first,
it makes people think.
thinking about technical and physical facts.
thinking about history.
thinking about political and economical aspects.
thinking about ways to educate the youth.
thinking about reality instead of computer games.
At second,
a perpetual motion machine makes you learn of all of the above.
and third
its fun!
I already commented this on youtube.
But here is a video especially for YOU.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qF3v9LZmfQ&feature=channel_page
... making you think further. ;)
best regards,
sushi
He posted the coil comment on the comment section of the video not in reply to me and I was nice to him prior to the reveal. If I remember right he told the lie to Stefen but I'm not totally sure on that. Somebody asked him about the coils and that's when he lied.
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PS: As you can see, I am one of his victims too.
...Trying to make this a better forum/world with respects to free your minds.
LOL
I really don't want to make enemies here. I enjoy the forum. A lot of good stuff here. The only reason I posted my frustration here was because he blocked me there from debating it with him. Because I called BS to his time traveling son's bloody death lol...
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He posted the coil comment on the comment section of the video not in reply to me and I was nice to him prior to the reveal. If I remember right he told the lie to Stefen but I'm not totally sure on that. Somebody asked him about the coils and that's when he lied.
Hugo,
Thats all what you earned from my extensive posting?
Strike,
I give up.
Good luck,
sushi
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Hugo,
Thats all what you earned from my extensive posting?
Strike,
I give up.
Good luck,
sushi
what did you want? A huge appology for being miffed at the constant stream of bogus inventions? can't do that.
here's what I just learned from the link you provided. ;D good post:
From Wavefront101 (37 minutes ago)
You people who hoax videos are losers..Tinselkoala, can you guess how much money you cost people with your whipmag hoax? Yea...I wouldn't want to show my face either..Another stupid hoax that wasted everyone's time...Can't you guys find another way to gain attention other than pretending to have a working device? You 2 guys should be banned off youtube..All you did was waste peoples' time..GJ. At least now we know not to take anything else you do seriously..
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@ALL
I would like to take this thread off topic for a moment. Before any of you start bashing the person - he's increased our knowledge of false information at least. In general, he's presented an idea which encompasses multiple ideas.
If you're interested in the idea of Kick-Coils ...then address it in a separate thread - start one and then add your designs to it.
Otherwise, you should consider this thread about the video and what device is on the video - it's really just a horizontal Bedini anyway.
PS; I'de really like to see any ideas for Kick-Coils on a separate thread - I think it's an interesting thought, unfortunately I've got none of my own right now.
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Hi All !
This infact seems possible, cause attractional energy at a begining is free and in that period we need to colect it (through some diode,greatz to capacitor)
but after (when magnet is leaving) that loss allso is free if magnet allowed to travel all the way it can...so collecting must stop when magnet is leaving that way lenz is
allso out of equation and only stays attraction to core that is unwanted (forces wheel back)
but lets put three of those coils close enough and have coils charge only one electronics at last coil. That would give at first look 3 times free atraction force (except that when collecting, lentz will not allow full acceleration of wheel - depends on how much is collected but collecting or not magnet will end near to core so there is certanly something free)
So that would give us 3 times (or more if more coils) but actually somewhat less and is just enough when transistor is trigered to repel magnet far enough from last coil core.
and another thing:
lots of balancing is requierd for this to work: thickness of core, distance of coil from wheel, distance coil from coil... and only one magnet - if one magnet passes it,
many (distanced properly) will.
thinking further...If two mags are spaced as such that when one leaves other attracts...just might work
I propose to some experimenter to include probably moveable coil that will follow when magnet leaves portion to lower down magnet leaving losses.
It is delicate but just might work.
I give it worth to try i believe in it over 60%...based allready on other experiments as BEMF collection, Bedini...
Wiz
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It's too bad he spilled the beans sooooo sooooon.
I was getting ready to dissect his approach further, like them nice off the shelf coils. lol
Thing is you can only fool all the people once, then no one will believe you anymore so this will be his own doing and he'll have to deal with this stigma. Usually a teacher will present the situation and then ask TRUE or FALSE. Some will say it's true and why, others will say it's false and why. That would have been a legitimate way of going about "teaching" the are of technical discernment.
But if you read this, look back to my first post in this thread. There is a link that will show you how it really could be done. But then again, it's impossible? True or False. lol
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It's too bad he spilled the beans sooooo sooooon.
I was getting ready to dissect his approach further, like them nice off the shelf coils. lol
Thing is you can only fool all the people once, then no one will believe you anymore so this will be his own doing and he'll have to deal with this stigma. Usually a teacher will present the situation and then ask TRUE or FALSE. Some will say it's true and why, others will say it's false and why. That would have been a legitimate way of going about "teaching" the are of technical discernment.
But if you read this, look back to my first post in this thread. There is a link that will show you how it really could be done. But then again, it's impossible? True or False. lol
Wattsup:
He did not reveal the "Truth". Just another riddle to solve.
Look to where the cables under the base are going.
True or false?
;D ;D
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It's too bad he spilled the beans sooooo sooooon.
I was getting ready to dissect his approach further, like them nice off the shelf coils. lol
Thing is you can only fool all the people once, then no one will believe you anymore so this will be his own doing and he'll have to deal with this stigma. Usually a teacher will present the situation and then ask TRUE or FALSE. Some will say it's true and why, others will say it's false and why. That would have been a legitimate way of going about "teaching" the are of technical discernment.
But if you read this, look back to my first post in this thread. There is a link that will show you how it really could be done. But then again, it's impossible? True or False. lol
excellent post. Said with tact which unfortunately I lacked with my posts.
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Wattsup:
He did not reveal the "Truth". Just another riddle to solve.
Look to where the cables under the base are going.
True or false?
;D ;D
Does the double smilie equate to a cheesy smilie :D Hope your joking anyway.
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Ok, I said I was going to stop but now I see the self serving nature of what this was about. As Stefen called into question in a previous post, he's selling kits for magnetic rail guns. The possible real motive for attracking a certain viewership to his channel.
If that's not bad enough, here is what I totally find unscrupulous. After noting he'll sell you a few ball bearings for a price, he goes on to tell you that, and I kid you not, that ball bearings are hard to find because they are used in IED's ::) True, but they are not hard to find whatsoever. A lie to get you to buy. You can go into just about any hardware store and buy several sizes of ball bearings. Cheap. Listen up students and kiddies, your teacher is ripping you off. Go down to your local Hardware store like Ace and you'll find all the items for less. Ebay also offers them for way less which is probably where he got his since they sell them in bulk for $15.00. Hard to find... lol...
Nice Starcross42... Can you say "exposed" Starcross?
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sushimoto, lol, what were you trying to say here?
"So the americans as the leader of the world should go back in time before rockefeller&co
and bury out the Hit N' Miss engines with flywheels? yes, why not?
They were close to OU compared to daily energy-losses.
If there is comes common research on efficiency,
we could probably power our world with one AA battery. Not OU but good as well. "
sake good ;D
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..... He also claims that the coil is pushing the magnet away, which is also true, BUT that push is ALLWAYS when the coil is approaching the magnet. Is short: A shortcurcuit coil works like a break on a moving magnet regardless on what direction the magnet is moving.
Actually, "ALLWAYS" is not entirely true, though it would be true for Starcross42's (faked) experimental setup where his wheel is turning at very low speed resulting in very low frequency coil induction.
Tesla designed what he referred to as a "novel" motor which employed a shorted coil, setback from the rotor at the rear of his normal stator coils to increase rpm and torque. He noted that the shorted coil's effect of increasing rpm and torque was most noticable when using higher line supply frequencies than commonly used by industry.
Cheers
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@all
It is a coincidence that I read the post of this lego device by @tseung.
I asked for the circuit sharing and was directed here by @chrisc.
The point is that I found a long ago a lecture about a guy named [ tu, yu-ta ] on that page there was an information of his patent about a motor that runs only with magnets and two coils, just like the lego posted.
I stored the circuit of the device and because it was a little confusing to me I modified it so I could understand it and store it as a possible self runner.
Then I saw the schematic drawn by @hartiberlin and a light turned on inside my mind.
I inferred that the lego running is true and the guy is not wanting to reveal the secret.
If you look at the schematic I composed with @hartiberlin and my [[ tu, yu-ta ] version with a magnets rotor. May be we have the secret revealed there.
Please make a search for [ tu, yu-ta ] name and the patent will show up.
Remember, I could be wrong though.
Jesus
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I was also blocked from youtube early on and recieved a great email from Starcross 42. I figured out what the trick was (I think there is one more reveal video to come). I thought it was a good exercise to help everyone think a little harder and ask more questions when presented with OU Claims. I have become by default a skeptic over the years after seeing many devices often fooling the inventor.
Dont be too hard on yourself if you were taken in by this...it might give you clarity inthe future.
Mark
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@nievesoliveras
Let's get it straight.
1) There is no dual coil, only one standard solenoid coil.
2) There is no rectifier
3) There is no zenor diode
4) There is no capacitor
5) There is no resistor.
That "transistor" is probably not even a transistor but a miniature thermal cut-off that is standard on many commercial solenoid and fan motor coils. Why.... because solenoids get hot.
There was a battery turning the fan motor and three dud coils.
End of story.
Guys should move on.
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@nievesoliveras
Let's get it straight.
1) There is no dual coil, only one standard solenoid coil.
2) There is no rectifier
3) There is no zenor diode
4) There is no capacitor
5) There is no resistor.
That "transistor" is probably not even a transistor but a miniature thermal cut-off that is standard on many commercial solenoid and fan motor coils. Why.... because solenoids get hot.
There was a battery turning the fan motor and three dud coils.
End of story.
Guys should move on.
Just check this link and then decide your next course of action.
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Devices/self_generating_driving_force_YuTaTu/index.html
Jesus
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@all
I think that this guy used a bifilar coil.
The two coils on the picture together with the transistor attached to its side with black or transparent tape.
Then he ,made two similar coils.
Remember the coils will trigger when the magnet pass in front. It will self trigger and then the next one will do the same.
That is my opinion.
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Here it is in action:
http://www.forgotten-genius.com/03c198996114b5803/03c19899880c15601/index.php
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@nievesoliveras
Vince
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@vince
Nah.. It won't work. Not enough Lego blocks.
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@nievesoliveras
Vince
That is great! You did it already!
Does it work?
Jesus
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@ nievesoliveras
I just added a transistor and rearranged the coils from another project.
No, it does not work. The coils do not generate enough voltage to open the transistor. When you hand spin it it only generates 25 to 35 microvolts and it takes at least 1.3 volts to open the transistor that I used. I spun the wheel with compressed air to high speed which generates about 3 volts and the transistor does open, but the coils do not sustain rotation in the wheel.
I'm not convinced that this device is total bunk but my coils (12 volt solenoid coils) may not be the best for this experiment.
Vince.
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@ nievesoliveras
I just added a transistor and rearranged the coils from another project.
No, it does not work. The coils do not generate enough voltage to open the transistor. When you hand spin it it only generates 25 to 35 microvolts and it takes at least 1.3 volts to open the transistor that I used. I spun the wheel with compressed air to high speed which generates about 3 volts and the transistor does open, but the coils do not sustain rotation in the wheel.
I'm not convinced that this device is total bunk but my coils (12 volt solenoid coils) may not be the best for this experiment.
Vince.
Thank you.
Maybe it needs the resistor to work better.
Two transistor that almost always work are the 2N2222 and 2N4401.
Radio shack sells a bag that has assorted transistors and those mentioned are always included.
Nice job you did there!
I was trying to do it myself since last year.
Jesus
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hello every body
i made this circuit to explain you how the magician star42 had to do it
but becareful it's just the circuit NOT" the perpetual motion" and i have a small video....
how can I put my video on the forum ???
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1 coil (primary of transformer 220V) use in emitter collector circuit
1 coil self made for the gate of transistor
1 transistor NPN -2N 1711
1 LED and 1 resistor 330ohms)
1 diode 1 N4148
2 capacitors (2uF)
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hello every body
i made this circuit to explain you how the magician star42 had to do it
but becareful it's just the circuit NOT" the perpetual motion" and i have a small video....
how can I put my video on the forum ???
That looks good!
About the video posting, what the members usually do is that they post the video at http://www.youtube.com and take the video's link and post it here. Then if somebody wants to see the video, just have to click on the link to see it.
Jesus
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Thanks ,
but i don't want post my video on you tube ...I know it ! i have a channel yet "gilbondfac"
for the moment I want to do it just for the forum.
thanks!
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Thanks ,
but i don't want post my video on you tube ...I know it ! i have a channel yet "gilbondfac"
for the moment I want to do it just for the forum.
thanks!
Hi padawan,
thanks for sharing all this :)
There is a button on the left side menu "upload"
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=upload
maybe this helps?
but i am not sure, if it works..
best,
sushi
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There is a button on the left side menu "upload"
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=upload
Hi padawan,
yes look at : menu - uploads
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Thanks ,
but i don't want post my video on you tube ...I know it ! i have a channel yet "gilbondfac"
for the moment I want to do it just for the forum.
thanks!
Do you have a schematic of that configuration you made to share?
Jesus
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@vince
Have you made the neccesary adjustment to your model?
There is one forum member that made this recommendation:
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Just a thought: leave out the transistor and resistors, simply connect the two coils one to one with the right polarity and align the two coils in the right way (90 degrees +/- a correction to solve timing)
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I do not understand what he recommends, maybe you understand it.
Jesus
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test in DC current to push a small coil on neodymium magnet
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My video is too big to upload here.I made a new film to you tube on my channel "gilbondfac" later.
But becareful it's not a perpetual motion it's just to help you to understand how to build a circuit like star42 javascript:void(0);
see you later !
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You can upload the video freely to
rapidshare.de
or
megaupload.com
and post the link here.
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Hello,
look at this a experiment of free energy of the vaccum like on you tube
http://www.dailymotion.com/user/Jeidii/video/x8hph8_scalarwaves_tech
see you soon !
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@ padawan
I would say this is fake.... most likely a magnet under the table near the area where the LEDs are positioned to trigger a reed type switch which powers a watch battery for the LED circuit. Just my guess at how it is done. I guess I am getting tired of all the fake OU videos. Most likely there a whole group of people out there ready to replicate this. ::)
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@ padawan
I would say this is fake.... most likely a magnet under the table near the area where the LEDs are positioned to trigger a reed type switch which powers a watch battery for the LED circuit. Just my guess at how it is done. I guess I am getting tired of all the fake OU videos. Most likely there a whole group of people out there ready to replicate this. ::)
a coil under the table.
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@all
A video like that one make you dream with the possibility of attaining what it shows. Even if it is faked, it awakens your experimenter spirit.
Jesus
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Before too many negative remarks are made folks should experiment with the type of coil on the rod. It will do some very interesting things.
As far as the video maker..... All I know is he has made many - they are all well done - all I've seen are in a real lab environment - I don't recall any claims of anything special.
What I'm sick of is hearing about reed switches ;D
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Ok, now I'm pissed. I see it now. Next video he will reveal his magic and will act as though he's schooled everyone. I'm sick of this kind of crap. If that turns out to be so, I think I need to talk with this guy in person.
Here I am.
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I posted this video as a response to a specific viewer who refused to 'believe' in back EMF. He accused me of being a 'tool of the establishment' and 'blind to the possibility' of something new. As this is not true I created a device that 'in theory' would use back EMF to power itself. Even as I built the LEGO perpetual motion machine I began to wonder if perhaps I might be able to get it to work. But, as I only had a day or two of free time in which to construct the thing, went with hidden batteries (the true source of all perpetual machines).
I had no idea that the OU group existed nor that it was populated by true scientists trying to improve on techniques and methodology.
I'm sorry that it caused the uproar and am apologetic to those who felt 'schooled' in any way.
Back in the '80s I created a new technique for making holograms. I received a visit from a representative of the Museum of Holography (now at MIT) who came to correct my mistakes. She left impressed, and my technique became the standard in schools and universities around the world. A few years later I received a call from an officer in charge of 'new technology' for the US Army. He wanted me to work on a holographic strategic planning table. "Like in the movie Star Wars?" I asked. Yes, that was exactly what he wanted. I tried to explain the physics of holograms and the limitations of the technology. He said "cost is no object". I could have spent a great deal of tax payers money to attempt something that I knew was impossible, but instead I tried to explain why it wouldn't work like it did in the movies. I'm sure that he left thinking that I was too limited in my thinking and went on to find someone else who would take his money.
I know about invention, but I can't change the laws of physics.
Remember Cold Fusion? The original research was sound, but the experiment didn't work as advertised (problems with the neutron detector gave false readings). Millions of dollars was spent trying to make it work but it never did. People wanted it to work, but it hasn't... (yet).
I'm an optimistic skeptic. I don't know if there is room for me here, but I came to this forum to talk to those who had concerns of my motives.
Thomas C. Altman
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Here I am.
why did you tell people ball bearings are hard to find? ::)
Integrity?
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@Starcross42
I have no concerns about your motives.
However, I would like to see details about the coil idea you had. If I understand the concept, it is good. Won't work in the fashion portrayed - for a few reasons but it may be a solution for other ideas.
BEP
BTW: There are few optimistic skeptics here. Most are fruitcakes (I am one) and the rest are pessimistic skeptics.
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I'm a realist that wants to include OU in my reality.
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I'm a realist that wants to include OU in my reality.
I like that ;D
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Once I find my reality, I would like to include me in it.
Bill
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When you find your reality, you'll just realize it is mine and I allow you to exist in it :)
Once I find my reality, I would like to include me in it.
Bill
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Finally! The answer!
We don't have a chance. After all, Reality is Realitive ;)
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While pendulum from another project (Bedini pendulum) was around, have tried Ti-Yu-Ta patent on self-inductance.
Two magnets (very powerful ф1"x1/8") passing 3 coils (very fine wire, very many turns :)) – central as a power coil to push, sides as triggering to transistor.
So far no luck, seems needa much bigger coils; even when tr-r opens, power of central coil is not enough to push magnets, or the pulse comes too late, when magnets already passed.
Well said, wattsup
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I'm an optimistic skeptic. I don't know if there is room for me here, but I came to this forum to talk to those who had concerns of my motives.
I for one appreciate your comment and do think there's room for you here.
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Hey Tom, so it was hidden batteries.....yes, it wouldn't take much. What kind of batteries did you use?
On a side note, I find it somewhat serendipitous that you worked in holography and speak of ALL perpetual motion machines using batteries (or energy storage devices)
In a sense, I must agree.
TS
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hello every body
Yes ! congratulation at all !
it's a Hoax ! fake !
I made this video to say STOP ! to the lies on web!
see this video to explain how i made the fake !
I work in university of science and laboratory of plasma the Fourth state of matter !
so i don't like the lies in science, but i would like really to see the perpetual motion !
the lentz law
http://www.dailymotion.com/user/jeidii/video/x8hypw_lentz_tech
I made the next video on the test of "the two coils and transistor" becareful ! not a fake this one !
the lentz law is too strong , it doesn't work ! sorry !
see you later
Padawan
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My profil in my university
http://www.univ-orleans.fr/lasep/equipe_recherche/Pagesperso/gcharles/gcharles.html
see you soon !
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Are you sure that's not a picture of Tim Roth, the guy who played the loathsome Archibald Cunningham in Rob Roy?
lol.
TS
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I don't understand what ??? ??? would you say??
on you tube my channel is "gilbondfac"
on dailymotion is "jeidii" :)
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@padawan
Someday you may wish to extend your research beyond the walls of that university. You will find you can hide the transmitter coil in the next room instead of under the table ;)
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hello every body
Yes ! congratulation at all !
it's a Hoax ! fake !
I made this video to say STOP ! to the lies on web!
see this video to explain how i made the fake !
I work in university of science and laboratory of plasma the Fourth state of matter !
so i don't like the lies in science, but i would like really to see the perpetual motion !
the lentz law
http://www.dailymotion.com/user/jeidii/video/x8hypw_lentz_tech
I made the next video on the test of "the two coils and transistor" becareful ! not a fake this one !
the lentz law is too strong , it doesn't work ! sorry !
see you later
Padawan
You have a lot to learn, Padawan. If you wish to learn you will read Chapter 1:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter1.pdf
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Hello!
The purpose of this forum is not to impress the other members with electronic magic tricks.
If you know to do electronic magic tricks, make your purpose to share the knowledge of how to do them.
One of the purposes of this forum is to find free energy. Other is to share the knowledge by posting something like:
Look what I did...... And it is done like this..... I did it on this way and it worked fine.... If you are a person that does not like to do it yourself even though I posted the whole information on how to do it, Then I sell you one already made for...
Jesus
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OK I learn all the days !
i know all we talk of the devices on free energy
i work in physics of plasma and i work on MHD and some experiment with magnet since 20years....
but becareful everybody !?
the video on you tube who talk about free energy !
I want and i would like to get free energy ....but for the moment
-sonoluminescence
-cold fusion
-new supraconductor.............................!!!!!!????
-LHC (boson de higgs)
stay realistic but i 'm open to real device working !
for the moment good realisation
-Thermoacoustic generator with small delta T (solar)
-new generation of electrolyser (H2)
.......etc.........
see you soon !
good luck
Padawan
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Rehello !
see all my experiment at
http://www.youtube.com/user/gilbondfac?gl=FR&hl=fr
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Rehello !
see all my experiment at
http://www.youtube.com/user/gilbondfac?gl=FR&hl=fr
Very impressive!
Jesus
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@padawan
I see you are in France. You may be interested in this also from France.
He may even need your help.
http://www.universons.com/
@Starcross42
3D Holographic was how Tesla saw his inventions coming to life in his minds eye visually seeing the device operate in perfect sync before even setting the idea on paper. So there is a link.
The pity is you are already very close to the answer but cannot see it because of your motives.
Imagine if you had used that time to make a real effort. If you put many small pickup coils around the circumference of your rotor, you should be able to produce enough of a charge to "really" initiate those coils at the right time. Putting many pickup coils will ensure that none will result in a lag on the rotation.
I do like the Legos idea as a base for easy building and positioning tests.
I have four boxes of em. Keeping them for the potential grandkids, if ever.......lol.
By no definition are we the OU Mod Squad.
We just like to keep it real. Less waste of time.
But if you (and @padawan) need a scolding, here goes.
We are all on a string that can break at any time, until it eventually does.
So why are you wasting your time and brains on such childishness.
Bad boys, I'm gonna tell your mommies.
Now go sit in the corner for ten minutes and don't ever do that again.
Oh Yeh, almost forgot.
You're both grounded for a week. How's that for negative potential.
Welcome regardless to overunity.com.
At least you both proved you can make good videos. lol
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hello every body
Yes ! congratulation at all !
it's a Hoax ! fake !
I made this video to say STOP ! to the lies on web!
see this video to explain how i made the fake !
I work in university of science and laboratory of plasma the Fourth state of matter !
so i don't like the lies in science, but i would like really to see the perpetual motion !
the lentz law
http://www.dailymotion.com/user/jeidii/video/x8hypw_lentz_tech
I made the next video on the test of "the two coils and transistor" becareful ! not a fake this one !
the lentz law is too strong , it doesn't work ! sorry !
see you later
Padawan
::) epic....
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fake for the universon !
I know him I speak with him....it's just a discharge in coil like coil gun...he said NO !
but i reproduce his experiment and prove it !
;D
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@padawan
The world is small indeed. I am surprised at your conclusion. If I understand his explanations, because I am bilingual here in Quebec, he has produced a special material that when impacted at force X will rebound and produce force X+Y. There is no mention of an electrocoil or I did not notice this in the literature.
Maybe you can one day open a new thread here and provide what you know about it and this would make a good basis for some closer debate. Honestly, I was not expecting you to say so categorically that his work is a fake. We learm something new every day.
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why did you tell people ball bearings are hard to find? ::)
Integrity?
When I ordered materials for a class set (500+) I was informed by the company that a security check is being run for orders over a certain amount. That a limit was being placed on orders for ball bearings and that they were becoming more difficult to purchase. As that was my only experience, I forwarded the information. Thanks for your interest.
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When I ordered materials for a class set (500+) I was informed by the company that a security check is being run for orders over a certain amount. That a limit was being placed on orders for ball bearings and that they were becoming more difficult to purchase. As that was my only experience, I forwarded the information. Thanks for your interest.
Hey YOU ;D
Welcome in the cave of lions.
:)
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I'm an optimistic skeptic. I don't know if there is room for me here, but I came to this forum to talk to those who had concerns of my motives.
Is'nt this the one and only perfect place for optimistic skeptics?
I'am aware of;
the difference of reality to phantasy is bigger than in phantasy.
original quote in German is:
"Der Unterschied zwischen Realitaet und Wirklichkeit ist in Wirklichkeit viel grösser"
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However, I would like to see details about the coil idea you had. If I understand the concept, it is good. Won't work in the fashion portrayed - for a few reasons but it may be a solution for other ideas.
BEP
I am still working my way around the site and have not been able to locate the original thread on the LEGO perpetual motion. Sorry.
At any rate, there was a post on the first page from someone who linked to the exact coil, schematic, and a picture of the 'perpetual motion' pendulum toy that was the source of my coils. That is exactly what I used, including the battery. The coil was exactly the one pictured in my video. Less than a day after posting my video one of your members revealed its secrets. I was impressed.
The coil works pretty much the way I describe it. The magnet swings into the coil. A small amount of current opens the base of a transistor. This shoots a jolt of electricity from the 9v battery into the coil creating a repelling magnetic field, pushing the magnet back out again. The toy has a pendulum motion so the KE is turned into GPE, the pendulum stops, and the cycle begins on the other side. I had seen a perpetual motion device at the Toronto Science Museum back in the '80s and I identified some black 'blocks' as part of a rotating wheel. I suspect that they had a similar coil/battery system in these blocks that 'powered' the device, but they also had some nice distractors.
As my initial motivation dealt with Back EMF I tried to come up with a way that it could be used as an unbalanced force in a system. That was the evolution of my device. I have not taken a coil apart so I can't give you a winding ratio, but the toys are easy to find. There is a source from China called dealextreme.com that has a plethora of toys. Actually, they have some very small versions that are driven by solar cells. Light shines on it and it swings back and forth all day.
Hope that helps.
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Hey YOU ;D
Welcome in the cave of lions.
:)
Still getting my feet wet. No lions yet. I'll keep my back to the wall.
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When I ordered materials for a class set (500+) I was informed by the company that a security check is being run for orders over a certain amount. That a limit was being placed on orders for ball bearings and that they were becoming more difficult to purchase. As that was my only experience, I forwarded the information. Thanks for your interest.
this story from the guy that banned me for not buying your story of the student who spun himself to death trying to go back in time to prevent 9/11 ::)
You're selling a few ball bearings to people, not 500+ so even if your story is true, it doesn't make sense. gee, wonder why there isn't a background check for buying boxes of nails, they're used in IED's too... Cartons of BBs... nope... just walk into walmart...
So now that you've had the information for a while that they're not hard to find, I see you've changed your video to reflect the truth. Oh, I guess not, why is that? Integrity?
You can buy them from Ace and most hardware stores no questions asked. Industrial supply stores are also an option.
Or ebay, this is just from one seller: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZtoolsupply
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Rehello !
see all my experiment at
http://www.youtube.com/user/gilbondfac?gl=FR&hl=fr
Hello Padawan
Great video. What is the magnet configuration you have used there ? Is it something that's common knowledge ? I hope so.
Can anyone shed any light on that for me ?
thanks.
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I am still working my way around the site and have not been able to locate the original thread on the LEGO perpetual motion. Sorry.
At any rate, there was a post on the first page from someone who linked to the exact coil, schematic, and a picture of the 'perpetual motion' pendulum toy that was the source of my coils.
Thanks.
That was my post BTW. I figured that was the one you used and enjoyed watching most blow over it. That coil was by a fellow HAM.
BEP
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this story from the guy that banned me for not buying your story of the student who spun himself to death trying to go back in time to prevent 9/11 ::)
Or ebay, this is just from one seller: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZtoolsupply
Thanks for the info.
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Thanks for the info.
actually the info was a hoax. You need DHS approval to buy ball bearings ::)
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actually the info was a hoax. You need DHS approval to buy ball bearings ::)
Hugo Chavez,
I'm sorry that you felt so betrayed by my LEGO perpetual motion device. I know that you were the one that posted it on this site and I also saw that, when others suggested that there might be a trick, you defended it.
The video was not intended to fool you or embarrass you in any way.
Too many people are too eager for simple solutions to complex issues. I've run into quite a few of them in my career and it is difficult to persuade them that the road to true creativity is paved with hard work and many (many) failures along the way. I created the video as a response to a specific person. He wanted a simple solution so I offered it to him... using LEGOs.
When I realized how personally you took the whole adventure, I shared with you a specific story where I ignored signs of delusion from a former student (my son) hoping that it was instead an insight of genius (historically difficult to differentiate). I never told you that he died, but rather that the police found him in a pool of blood when he thought he could resonate his body to the correct quantum harmonic and travel at the speed of light, and that he went through a pane of glass believing that he had achieved that goal. He survived and was diagnosed as having the onset of manic depression (surprisingly common in college age people) and now trying to live with the condition. Your responce to that was both insensitive and cruel; so I blocked you from my youtube site.
However, your anger and feelings of betrayal are ultimately the result of my LEGO adventure, and for that I am sorry.
I came here so that you could chastise me on the forum of your friends. You have done that.
It would be a good idea to move on and, in the future, be a bit more skeptical.
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Hugo Chavez,
I'm sorry that you felt so betrayed by my LEGO perpetual motion device. I know that you were the one that posted it on this site and I also saw that, when others suggested that there might be a trick, you defended it.
The video was not intended to fool you or embarrass you in any way.
Too many people are too eager for simple solutions to complex issues. I've run into quite a few of them in my career and it is difficult to persuade them that the road to true creativity is paved with hard work and many (many) failures along the way. I created the video as a response to a specific person. He wanted a simple solution so I offered it to him... using LEGOs.
When I realized how personally you took the whole adventure, I shared with you a specific story where I ignored signs of delusion from a former student (my son) hoping that it was instead an insight of genius (historically difficult to differentiate). I never told you that he died, but rather that the police found him in a pool of blood when he thought he could resonate his body to the correct quantum harmonic and travel at the speed of light, and that he went through a pane of glass believing that he had achieved that goal. He survived and was diagnosed as having the onset of manic depression (surprisingly common in college age people) and now trying to live with the condition. Your responce to that was both insensitive and cruel; so I blocked you from my youtube site.
However, your anger and feelings of betrayal are ultimately the result of my LEGO adventure, and for that I am sorry.
I came here so that you could chastise me on the forum of your friends. You have done that.
It would be a good idea to move on and, in the future, be a bit more skeptical.
show me where I defended it? Where did I say this will work? I said you didn't seem the type to make a hoax video ::) That,... I was wrong about. Don't make this about me, it's about the countless people like you wasting time for people who work on PM and OU concepts. You said it was actually just one person who challenged you. Why then did you not make this video for that one person instead of gearing a hoax for all? Again, don't make this about me, all I did was make a character assumption about you. You struck me as the type who had some integrity.
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When I realized how personally you took the whole adventure, I shared with you a specific story where I ignored signs of delusion from a former student (my son) hoping that it was instead an insight of genius (historically difficult to differentiate). I never told you that he died, but rather that the police found him in a pool of blood when he thought he could resonate his body to the correct quantum harmonic and travel at the speed of light, and that he went through a pane of glass believing that he had achieved that goal. He survived and was diagnosed as having the onset of manic depression (surprisingly common in college age people) and now trying to live with the condition. Your responce to that was both insensitive and cruel; so I blocked you from my youtube site.
This is another BS lie, You never said it was your son in your post, yet you came at me like you had.
This was your post and if you get worked up and ban someone over calling BS to this, baaaa:
"I had a student talk to me about molecular harmonic resonance and what I thought about it. I wanted to be supportive so I encouraged him to pursue the math. When the police got to him a week later he was naked and lying in a pool of his own blood. He thought that if he tuned himself just right, he could run at the speed of light, go back in time, and stop 9/11 from happening. "
When the police got to him a week later ::) He thought he could run at the speed of light and go back in time to stop 9/11...
Oh no, no reason most people would call BS on that lol
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Well, at least Starcross42 finally came out with a comprehensive explanation, enough to replicate his device should you choose to do so. Alsetalokin has yet to provide enough information to replicate a WhipMag. As far as I am concerned, Starcross is OK. He gave us all something to think about, and didn't make us wait too long before revealing the secrets.
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wow this is really getting intense! lol
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Well, at least Starcross42 finally came out with a comprehensive explanation, enough to replicate his device should you choose to do so. Alsetalokin has yet to provide enough information to replicate a WhipMag. As far as I am concerned, Starcross is OK. He gave us all something to think about, and didn't make us wait too long before revealing the secrets.
Long enough that some people probably started attempting to replicate the device. In the comments section of his first video he said there was a secret to the coil that he was not willing to part with. A comment he deleted when he made his reveal.
I must ask, would the lesson have been any less with the reveal at the end of the first video? Sure it wouldn't. The only reason you wait is to get people interested and following so you can school them with a lesson in wasted time. Not cool imo. Had I not been busy with several other projects, I probably would have wasted my time attempting a replication to solve the hidden coil secret he lied about.
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Well, at least Starcross42 finally came out with a comprehensive explanation, enough to replicate his device should you choose to do so. Alsetalokin has yet to provide enough information to replicate a WhipMag. As far as I am concerned, Starcross is OK. He gave us all something to think about, and didn't make us wait too long before revealing the secrets.
Did I miss something along the way? Wasn't the whipmag (OC MPMM) from your original idea/design?
and you don't have the info on it? Or are you a different OC?
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Did I miss something along the way? Wasn't the whipmag (OC MPMM) from your original idea/design?
and you don't have the info on it? Or are you a different OC?
That's me. I have 2 whipmags here and all sorts of data. It started as a psychedelic dream or hallucination. I did what I could to translate the whirling vortices of my dream into some drawings representing a more concrete design. Al built it, or at least part of it and made the infamous youtube video. Problem is nobody, not even Al, has been able to replicate that device. So far it's one-of-a-kind. Al claims to have revealed everything he knows, but somehow that has not been enough for anyone to replicate the behavior.
I've been fiddling with WhipMags for about a year now and I'm afraid I haven't seen any more exceptional behavior than you have.
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I found Starcross 42 to have a lot of integrety. When I was on the right track he emailed me and revealed the lesson straight away. I was tempted to come on here, but as I suggested in an earlier post it was worth while waiting. Does that make me dishonest , no.
I have travelled the world validating devices. Sadly I have yet to see anything that self runs. Paul Sprain may have come close but the error for magin in the data was too close to call it either way.
I often find inventors and in some rare cases scientists look at only what they want to see, not what is realy there. I think Starcross is a wonderful teacher and my daughters enjoyed trying to solve the mystery.
Its a bit like looking at Mindfreak the magician. His illusions defy logic, but there is always a trick.
I am optimistic but by default have become a skeptic. Believe me when you chew through a 200k plus sponsering inventors and travelling you soon sharpen your skills. I have yet to see any device that is self running or can be independently tested to have produced overunity. I will exclude cold fussion as there issome evidence from reputable research lessons that it may exist...but not in a commercially viable way as yet. Blacklight Power may also hold some promise.
Thank you Starcross 42, for your lesson, integrety and honesty. :)
PS look up Erik Graig on the internet...he has debunked more devices than I have had hot lunches.
Mark
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Hello star42,
I m in physics University of France and i told of your experiment to my students....
"it's a challenge for them" to replicate your experiment and validate it
so if i remember in your experiment you have
2 biCoils with transistor
1 capacitor on the fan motor
a wheel with magnets
and NO BATTERY isn't it !????
it works for 20 minutes ! isn't !
Thanks for your answer !
Padawan
do you know that??
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hello
My students found it on you tube
no free energy but interresting to do it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrKtY7nWc-o
and they work on this circuit for the moment
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Some of you can suck up to hoaxers all you want, I don't find any lesson in it. I don't find any integrity in waiting until people have wasted time and money to reveal. There is no additional value in what is learned by waiting for that consequence to occur. It is self serving only.
The intentional lies encountered in this endeavor of obtaining OU has got to be more than any other area of research that's ever existed with the possible exception of what science had to endure by religion.
How many people have simply bailed on trying after walking through the minefield of lies? How much time has been wasted overall by people replicating a lie to confirm? How many people will ignore a promising find in this ocean of lies? How many brilliant minds won't even go there in the first place due to the outright mockery from the establishment that the good Dr Altman has shown himself to be a part of. That is the integrity that one person challenged him on. In turn, he decided not to school the person who had challenged him but to do what the scientific establishment does and treat the whole of everyone interested in contempt with his schooling.
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YOU TALK ! YOU TALK !
But one moment please I work in physics...if you don't want to learn some thing before trying
"Free energy" OK but where is your work or device 's working with free energy ?????
I wan't to help you ! so be quiet man !
replicate this ! and we talk young padawan
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YOU TALK ! YOU TALK !
But one moment please I work in physics...if you don't want to learn some thing before trying
"Free energy" OK but where is your work or device 's working with free energy ?????
I wan't to help you ! so be quiet man !
replicate this ! and we talk young padawan
Is the next magnet on the rotor positive or negative.
Differently stated, Are all the magnets facing the coil, all positive, all negative or one positive and one negatve?
Thank you in advance.
Jesus
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YOU TALK ! YOU TALK !
But one moment please I work in physics...if you don't want to learn some thing before trying
"Free energy" OK but where is your work or device 's working with free energy ?????
I wan't to help you ! so be quiet man !
replicate this ! and we talk young padawan
I wasn't talking to you but applying what I am saying to you if you so desire, you do not need to hoax people on this board as a means of productive participation. Leave the counterproductive tom foolery for your magic trick parties.
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@Hugo Chavez
It's time to drop it.
There is no point for a play by play.
We all got the message.
Did you learn something from the whole process?
Then it is not a total waste.
It's time to move on.
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@Hugo Chavez
It's time to drop it.
There is no point for a play by play.
We all got the message.
Did you learn something from the whole process?
Then it is not a total waste.
It's time to move on.
I absolutely agree and I did drop it. Starcross isn't stupid and he knew what he was doing by waiting until I dropped it to come here and stir it again. He came in and said here I am, tossing down the gauntlet after I said I'm done. I do want to move on. As I said, this is just continuing to waste time. I didn't learn anything from the process other than don't trust anybody no matter how nice they seem. Which I knew at heart before too, just don't like to accept.
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Hugo if it makes you feel any better I also think it's f***ked up what he did. A complete waste of my time and hope, actually it made me mad too (a little)! But we should know just how common these things are in this field of science amongst other fields. Pretty sad huh? This is why for the past weeks I've been actively looking around for other free energy forums that are actually moderated and strictly open source. If I don't find any good forums out there then I'll just start my own.
The truth is we should not get mad, sad, frustrated, etc. There are way too many of these clowns around so we got to focus on the important things that comes along with a person/group. Simply just be in the look out for true open source scientists, teachers, groups, etc. you know the ones who shows you the whole thing inside and out and not only parts of whatever it is, and the rest of them just ignore and move on.
...and no I don't hate the guy if anything I wish him the best, I rather waste my energy by ignoring him and by moving on to something open source...NEXT!
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YOU TALK ! YOU TALK !
But one moment please I work in physics...if you don't want to learn some thing before trying
"Free energy" OK but where is your work or device 's working with free energy ?????
I wan't to help you ! so be quiet man !
replicate this ! and we talk young padawan
Hi Padawan.
THANKS a lot for mention this. He is acting and talking like a defective vinyl-record.
No progress in his learning curve.
"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."
best regards,
sushi
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Hugo if it makes you feel any better I also think it's f***ked up what he did. A complete waste of my time and hope, actually it made me mad too (a little)! But we should know just how common these things are in this field of science amongst other fields. Pretty sad huh? This is why for the past weeks I've been actively looking around for other free energy forums that are actually moderated and strictly open source. If I don't find any good forums out there then I'll just start my own.
The truth is we should not get mad, sad, frustrated, etc. There are way too many of these clowns around so we got to focus on the important things that comes along with a person/group. Simply just be in the look out for true open source scientists, teachers, groups, etc. you know the ones who shows you the whole thing inside and out and not only parts of whatever it is, and the rest of them just ignore and move on.
...and no I don't hate the guy if anything I wish him the best, I rather waste my energy by ignoring him and by moving on to something open source...NEXT!
in the interest of dropping it, I'm dropping it. rather than reply which will just keep it all going, I'll drop it. everybody got their hits in. The all glorious hoaxer wins the day. I'm done, happy everybody? let's just let it die. I'm not the one who kept it alive, I responded to posts. I'm finished, it's over. ok...
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@Hugo,
I feel your angst. I agree with you, and I´m sure most others do, the OU field certainly doesn´t need any more noise on it in the form of timewasting attention seeking pranks and hoaxes.
Any zen statements about hoaxers teaching us a "valuable lesson" is condescending and self rightous nonsense in my opinion. We aren´t here to learn stage magic, this is an OU forum for OU people, we´ll have no trouble here!
Yucca has left the building... ;D
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Starcross 42's device is very intriguing. Obviously, the video could have been faked, but I doubt
that it has. It owes something to the purest implementations of the Robert Adams motor.
I thought Lenz Law reaction was instantaneous. i.e. there would be no time for the wheel to move from
the push position to the pull position (unless it was running at an absurd speed).
The question is:
Has he tried to take energy off the shaft?
i.e. Has he attached the central shaft to a prony brake?
Paul.
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Starcross 42's device is very intriguing. Obviously, the video could have been faked, but I doubt
that it has. It owes something to the purest implementations of the Robert Adams motor.
I thought Lenz Law reaction was instantaneous. i.e. there would be no time for the wheel to move from
the push position to the pull position (unless it was running at an absurd speed).
The question is:
Has he tried to take energy off the shaft?
i.e. Has he attached the central shaft to a prony brake?
Paul.
The video was faked. He has the reveal uploaded on his channel. The instant effect of lenz's law also had me wondering in the beggining. I thought the crossing flux would hit both coils at the same time and it wouldn't matter if a transitor switch the bigger coil because the breaking would have already occured by that point. However, he mentioned there was a secret to the coil itself in his comments so I then began to wonder about ways he might have blocked the flux from hitting the larger coil while still benefiting from the magnetic field pulse once it switched on. One of the things I thought about was possibly mumetal. They sell mumetal in wire too so I wondered, could there be a few rows of mumetal wire with a dialectic seperation such as fishing string in between and a single row of enameled wire last to hide the clue which would be gunmetal grey appearance of mumetal around the larger coil. Who knows, this idea might actually be worth a try.
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Interesting ideas, Hugo. Why do people waste our time like that? It is bizarre.
I had a feeling that the answer lay in the time constant of the LR circuit. i.e. it takes time
for the voltage to build up (I reckon this affects the Imhotep relay idea). But, of course,
both the driving effect and the Lenz reactuion would be similarly affected.
Paul.
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Build your own over-unity generator. Inverse lenz's law?
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I think you guys have missed the simplicity of this thing.
The little fan is being used as a DC generator. As it spins, the output is fed into a diode, and stored in a large electrolytic capacitor. The current from the capacitor runs through one winding of the coil and into the collector of an NPN transistor.
The second winding on the coil is fed into another diode and into the base of the transistor. This part of the circuit is what 'turns on' the transistor. As the magnet approaches the coil, it induces current into the base, then the transistor conducts, allowing the collector current to flow through the first winding (from stored capacitor) providing a 'kick' which repels the magnet.
Polarity of the coils and placement of the magnets would be critical, and some experimenting will be necessary to get the timing & polarity right.
diagram: http://www.nanomagnetics.us/projects/perpetual%20motor/perpetual.jpg
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That looks impressive to me...thanks pinestone.
Regards...
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I think you guys have missed the simplicity of this thing.
The little fan is being used as a DC generator. As it spins, the output is fed into a diode, and stored in a large electrolytic capacitor. The current from the capacitor runs through one winding of the coil and into the collector of an NPN transistor.
The second winding on the coil is fed into another diode and into the base of the transistor. This part of the circuit is what 'turns on' the transistor. As the magnet approaches the coil, it induces current into the base, then the transistor conducts, allowing the collector current to flow through the first winding (from stored capacitor) providing a 'kick' which repels the magnet.
Polarity of the coils and placement of the magnets would be critical, and some experimenting will be necessary to get the timing & polarity right.
diagram: http://www.nanomagnetics.us/projects/perpetual%20motor/perpetual.jpg
hello there....
i have seen the circuit here---
http://www.nanomagnetics.us/projects/perpetual%20motor/perpetual.jpg
does this works ...???
because i have tried other ones and they didn't worked....
also how can we use a fan to power this?????
please explain.... can i use a small 12v dc computer brushless fan in this circuit??
kindly explain
thanks
shubham
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I think you guys have missed the simplicity of this thing.
The little fan is being used as a DC generator. As it spins, the output is fed into a diode, and stored in a large electrolytic capacitor. The current from the capacitor runs through one winding of the coil and into the collector of an NPN transistor.
The second winding on the coil is fed into another diode and into the base of the transistor. This part of the circuit is what 'turns on' the transistor. As the magnet approaches the coil, it induces current into the base, then the transistor conducts, allowing the collector current to flow through the first winding (from stored capacitor) providing a 'kick' which repels the magnet.
Polarity of the coils and placement of the magnets would be critical, and some experimenting will be necessary to get the timing & polarity right.
diagram: http://www.nanomagnetics.us/projects/perpetual%20motor/perpetual.jpg
hello there....
i have seen the circuit here---
http://www.nanomagnetics.us/projects/perpetual%20motor/perpetual.jpg
does this works ...???
because i have tried other ones and they didn't worked....
also how can we use a fan to power this?????
please explain.... can i use a small 12v dc computer brushless fan in this circuit??
kindly explain
thanks
shubham
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This looks like that schematic
http://www.energeticforum.com/z/Paul-Harmans/
Chet
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.... can i use a small 12v dc computer brushless fan in this circuit??
kindly explain
thanks
shubham
In my diagram, the small dc fan is functioning like a generator. Some dc computer fans won't work as generators, but you can connect a voltmeter to the positive and negative leads to test them...spin the fan and see if the meter indicates any voltage. You could use a small dc motor as a replacement, but they usually require higher rpm to generate any useful voltage.
When the large rotor (with 4 magnets) spins, the 'fan' generates dc. By mounting the smaller generator under the larger rotor, every revolution of the rotor causes the generator to spin 4 or 5 times faster.
I have never built this device, but it's very similar to a Bedini circuit with some minor modifications, and shouldn't be too difficult to make.
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Lets add this to the Mix.
*Patent
Author Year Title Country Assignee Number URL
1971 ELECTROMECHANICAL ENERGY CONVERTER WITH LOW-INERTIA SPECIALLY WOUND COIL United States 3624439 http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3624439.html
What this is a Conical Coil Winding as near as I can figure it has lower or little drag.
Pic's here from Keely-Net
01/24/06 - Magnetricity NeoGen PM Dynamo.
Anyone want to sign on to Free patents might find more I'm out for the night.
Be Well
Tinker
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I think you guys have missed the simplicity of this thing.
Hi, What transistor(s) would you recommend? Describe the coil/core diameter/lenght. Bifiliar AWG Wire size/ lenght.---- All as starting recommendations --- Working voltage of the cap also.
Input on just what small DC fan motor might be used would also be helpfull. Operating voltage/manufacturer ??
I would like to build this and give it a try.
Tom
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I think you guys have missed the simplicity of this thing.
Hi, What transistor(s) would you recommend? Describe the coil/core diameter/lenght. Bifiliar AWG Wire size/ lenght.---- All as starting recommendations --- Working voltage of the cap also.
Input on just what small DC fan motor might be used would also be helpfull. Operating voltage/manufacturer ??
I would like to build this and give it a try.
Tom
This is just a concept type drawing. I really haven't thought about actual values.
But:
You may want to experiment with 600 - 700 turns of #32 magnet wire on a core made from 1/16" welding rod (iron). cut the rods about 1 1/2 " long and hold them together with a piece of shrink tubing. Hold the whole thing together with a few drops of superglue.
I've tried bi-filar wound and separate wound (on the same core) coils. I really didn't notice much of a difference. I doubt you need such a high impedance on the secondary coil to fire the transistor, so you could get away with a secondary coil on the same core, using less turns (instead on bi-filar wound).
Since the cap is storing the energy for the next stage, a big value like 1000 uF or higher would be a good choice.
A motor out of an old inkjet printer or tape player would work as a dc generator.
Even though I drew a bi-polar transistor in the diagram, a power MOSFET would be the best choice. Something like a IRF521 or equiv.
like this:
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Pinestone,
Am I correct in thinking that the iron core suggested is made up of smaller 1/16 inch iron rods bundle/stacked together and 1.5 inches in LENGHT ? I have many of those. If that is the case what might be the core bundle DIAMETER? The rotor magnets will face the core diameter.
Need both figures as starter recomendations. Do you think ultra fast switching 1N4148 diodes will work? I would like to stay away from anything that needs battery power so what other transistors might I try? A 2N2222, 2N4401, and a 2N1711 have been suggested??
I dont care if I reach overunity but coming real close will be nice if thats even possible at all.
Tom
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Pinestone,
Am I correct in thinking that the iron core suggested is made up of smaller 1/16 inch iron rods bundle/stacked together and 1.5 inches in LENGHT ? I have many of those. If that is the case what might be the core bundle DIAMETER? The rotor magnets will face the core diameter.
Need both figures as starter recomendations. Do you think ultra fast switching 1N4148 diodes will work? I would like to stay away from anything that needs battery power so what other transistors might I try? A 2N2222, 2N4401, and a 2N1711 have been suggested??
I dont care if I reach overunity but coming real close will be nice if thats even possible at all.
Tom
My experiments have shown the coil core diameter should be equal to the magnets diameter for the best performance. Using iron rods in this arrangement is similar to a laminated core (like a screen door for electrons...ha ha).
A FET transistor would be a better choice for the coil driver- fast switching with low loss.
As for the diode, any general purpose switching diode should work.
Like I said earlier, this is just a 'thought experiment', and I've never actually tried to build one, but I've made quite a few Bedini, Adams and other similar types of motors successfully.
Little DC motors will generate electricity, but finding the best motor for this type of application may take some digging- plus the correct ratio between the rotor diameter and the generator (motor) output will be tricky to figure out.
The biggest problem I see with ANY attempt at overunity is when a real load is put on the device, there will not be enough power to keep going. It may run itself, but that would be like a dog chasing its tail-
good luck
BTW, in my original description, I said the dc generator (motor) will spin 4-5 times faster than the outer magnets, but what I mean is there will be 4-5 more times the TORQUE on the generator (motor) than the outside of the rotor. My bad.
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Hi,
Thanks for answering my questions. I appreciated the advice.
Now can anyone suggest a small DC motor that spins at a low speed when used as a motor. Also might generate 2 volts DC or more at a lower speed without using much force to turn the drive shaft. (What transistor triggers at 2 volts?) I see Surplus Sales of Nebraska has many smaller DC motors listed. I searched Ebay also. Which one might work for this aplication? Any guesses???
The whole setup should not drain anyones wallet or cause financial ruin. So what the heck--I for one will try and I am not an electronic guru.
Tom
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Say I used an aluminum bike wheel with powerful neo disk magnets spaced evenly all around its outside diameter. The wheel would be balanced perfectly and ride on a bearing that is almost friction free.
A 6 volt bike light generator would be mounted to the wheel and its power directed into the illustrated circuit.--- Would that work if the generator drag was not that great?
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My experiments have shown the coil core diameter should be equal to the magnets diameter for the best performance. Using iron rods in this arrangement is similar to a laminated core (like a screen door for electrons...ha ha).
A FET transistor would be a better choice for the coil driver- fast switching with low loss.
As for the diode, any general purpose switching diode should work.
Like I said earlier, this is just a 'thought experiment', and I've never actually tried to build one, but I've made quite a few Bedini, Adams and other similar types of motors successfully.
Little DC motors will generate electricity, but finding the best motor for this type of application may take some digging- plus the correct ratio between the rotor diameter and the generator (motor) output will be tricky to figure out.
The biggest problem I see with ANY attempt at overunity is when a real load is put on the device, there will not be enough power to keep going. It may run itself, but that would be like a dog chasing its tail-
good luck
BTW, in my original description, I said the dc generator (motor) will spin 4-5 times faster than the outer magnets, but what I mean is there will be 4-5 more times the TORQUE on the generator (motor) than the outside of the rotor. My bad.
Hi Pinestone,
Can you illustrate exactly how the coils in your diamram are connected into this circuit. I need to know where L1 and L2 start as in and leave as out.The larger more windings being green less windings being red.
Thanks, Tom
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magnetman12003
A simple transformer-type coupling uses the primary and secondary wound around the same core.
It's easier to wind two seperate coils instead of winding them bi-filar, like a Bedini circuit uses.
The reason for using a bi-filar wound coil is to eliminate inductance by connecting both coils out of phase with each other, but that may not be necessary in this circuit.
This type of arrangement should work:
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Whats the advantage of making the iron core of the coil 1/2 inch in diameter verses making it 3/4 inch in diameter?
I would think a smaller iron core would concentrate a magnetic field better providing it has not reached saturation.
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Whats the advantage of making the iron core of the coil 1/2 inch in diameter verses making it 3/4 inch in diameter?
I would think a smaller iron core would concentrate a magnetic field better providing it has not reached saturation.
It's not a matter of concentrating the field, it's the hysteresis that's important. This is something you will have to experiment with. Small cores result in a faster hysteresis and a lesser gain of inductance over the bare coil.
Here's a power transformer Bedini i made a while ago- It has a giant core !
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Here's a power transformer Bedini i made a while ago- It has a giant core !
Small or Giant core doesn't matter!!!. It isn't overunity.....Right!!!
There has never been any Bedini motor being overunity. This tech is a dead end to investigate.
In the case there is an report on OU there is no way to confirm anything. Mostly due to the
inventor being impossible to meet or willing to let others take measurements on his contrapment.
When there is an followup, the Bedini has always been proven not OU, and the inventor has to
face he's lacking all basic "know how" regarding proper and well defined measurement techniques.
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Small or Giant core!!!. But isn't overunity.....Right!!!
There has never been any Bedini motor being overunity. This tech is a dead end to investigate.
In the case there is an report on OU there is no way to confirm anything. Most due to the
inventor being impossible to meet or willing to let others take measurements on his contrapment.
When there is an followup, the device is always proven not OU and the inventor proven to
lack all basic "know how" regarding proper and well defined measurement techniques.
What are you going on about? I'm not claiming overunity with this experiment !
It's a discussion about coil cores and hysteresis- this is just an example of a huge core.
READ EVERYTHING- not just the last post...
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The purpose at this forum is overunity.
I just wonder why people continue to investigate the same non OU devices over and over?
Don't they read what others have found before trying the same thing again and again.
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The purpose at this forum is overunity.
I just wonder why people continue to investigate the same non OU devices over and over?
Don't they read what others have found before trying the same thing again and again.
What else do you want to do with your spare time on this planet? Watch TV? Listen to music? Drink? Fu*k?
What's wrong with pursuing the 'so-called' impossible?
History is littered with failures, but also with great discoveries. Space travel being the first that comes to my mind. Atomic energy, gene splicing, lasers, breaking Moores law, etc.
Each were thought to be impossible at one time or another.
Besides, I've never claimed OU- it's just a thought experiment.
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Pinestone--
I love your thinking process. I have been at this for years and made hundreds of motor devices that wound up as failures. That does not bother me a bit. I just like to do this as a hobby of interest and keep my mind from going Alzheimer's.
Maybe I might even get lucky and discover something new. Even if what I construct is not overunity I will do it differently than what I have seen.
Tom
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Pinestone--
I love your thinking process. I have been at this for years and made hundreds of motor devices that wound up as failures...
Tom
Thanks for the compliment, Tom
I've been at this for a while, too. Since the mid 1960's. I've worked in many phases of the electronics industry as a technician and in R&D.
But I still love playing with magnets.
You know what they say? "If you haven't failed, you're not trying"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qF3v9LZmfQ
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qF3v9LZmfQ
Ok, I'll stay on topic.
or maybe you should just close this thread... ::)
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I dont want to start a new thread on this but if anyone is interested here is a movie clip of something I just constucted. Its not overunity but has a lot of good potential as an efficient motor device that can possibly drive a propeller. This is just the beginning--- Tom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRrYnwK71UY&feature=player_embedded
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author=magnetman12003
Is that an old crt degaussing coil around a dinner plate?
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http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/29990/Dr__Steven_Greer_The_Promise_of_New_Energy/
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Is that an old crt degaussing coil around a dinner plate?
You are correct. A 12 inch diameter (80 ohm) degausing coil is connected to a square wave generator. A dinnerplate is centered in the coil. I have had the most fun with this simple setup in years. Many magnet combinatons can be tried on the plate by adjusting the frequency of the generator. Some magnets will spin - others wont. Very little output from the generator is required.
Tom
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I was wondering what size the CRT was to have a 12" coil?
I have no idea what size they normally are, but this seems quite large to me.
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I was wondering what size the CRT was to have a 12" coil?
I have no idea what size they normally are, but this seems quite large to me.
That coil of his pre-dates modern color televisions. Back in the 'old days' we had to manually degauss the crt's every time the television was moved around the house or if a strong magnetic field was near the crt (like a vacuum cleaner motor).
You held the coil in front of the crt and waved it around like some sort of magic ritual.
It sure looked pretty with all the colors interweaving with each other...
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That coil of his pre-dates modern color televisions. Back in the 'old days' we had to manually degauss the crt's every time the television was moved around the house or if a strong magnetic field was near the crt (like a vacuum cleaner motor).
You held the coil in front of the crt and waved it around like some sort of magic ritual.
It sure looked pretty with all the colors interweaving with each other...
Thanks for the info, could be interesting to see it action on a CRT, if you still have one that is... :)
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Thanks for the info, could be interesting to see it action on a CRT, if you still have one that is... :)
you could make one- or take one out of a newer crt monitor. Its a loop of wire around the face of the crt (inside the cabinet).
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I've posted a synopsis page here:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Article:LEGO_electromagnetic_motor_hoax_by_Tom_A
I was first made aware of this yesterday.
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@SterlingA
I watched that story unfold in amazement. The coil is a good idea and used in toys. I was most amazed at the amount of people latching onto it as a real free energy device even though the author showed the real workings. When the capacitor was revealed I understood it as an energy storage device. I'm sure the author assumed most would see it that way.
Nowhere did I understand it was a hoax. The author offered it more as a lesson, to the chagrin of many.
His other videos seem to be good lessons. Many of the folks visiting these OU sites would benefit from watching them.
BEP
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Sterling:
Thanks for posting that. I already knew it was a hoax but, I'll bet there are still folks out there watching his original videos and wasting time trying to replicate his device. It is very good to get the word out. Good work.
Bill
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Sterling:
Thanks for posting that. I already knew it was a hoax but, I'll bet there are still folks out there watching his original videos and wasting time trying to replicate his device. It is very good to get the word out. Good work.
Bill
I wouldn't refer to it as "wasting time". His device works, just it's not perpetual motion. Some of the concepts from it seem like they could be used in a real magnet motor.
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Not really. A hoax is a hoax for a reason.
Bill
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Hoax!
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don't want to get into this again, shocked this thread is still going. But it was a hoax imo. I've also seen the video copied so for some seeing it, there is no reveal and they will waste time. A lesson would have had the reveal/answer/lesson at the end. He went to lengths in the video to pass it off as real and didn't reveal for some time. That turned it into a hoax even if he had teaching a lesson to people in mind.
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@Sterling,
Actually it wasnt a Hoax more of a lesson. When I wrote to him privately suggesting what he had done is was very open and honest about it. This was when it first appeared. Kudos to him as it was a teaching exercise. I am sad it took so long for so many people to learn the lesson.
It is always interesting to study human behaviour here, I think thats why I keep comming back. There are some very smart people here, but sadly a few not so smart who believe anything as they want to believe.
I will stick to my scientific rules and methodology, it has served well over the years.
Kind Regards
Mark
PS I am still testing devices and working with a few inventors still...there is always hope.
Mark
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Hoax!
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@markdansie
Quote:
"It is always interesting to study human behaviour here, I think thats why I keep comming back. There are some very smart people here, but sadly a few not so smart who believe anything as they want to believe.
I will stick to my scientific rules and methodology, it has served well over the years."
I would agree to some extent but there are exceptions I think. If a person saw a hoax and believed it, tried to replicate it and found a new unknown effect directly related to the hoax then was it a hoax?. I did not believe the dual pendulum oscillator scheme but when I actually built it I found two pendulums on a lever with a central point of rotation produce a beat note between them on the central lever. This beat note on the lever is cyclic and at one frequency corresponding to the beat note the outer pendulums rotate and countermotions disappear and the lever spins freely. So was or is it a hoax if results indifferent or not are produced? Hoax or not I think we can find inspiration anywhere if we look, but you have to look first.
Regards
AC
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The real joke is that the reveal itself is a hoax. It's a hoax sitting on top of a hoax.
There is something very sobering and ironic in all of this. First you hoax people. And then you do a reveal that itself is a hoax, where you are ostensibly giving yourself back your credibility as a classicist, and all of the doubters are pleased to see that they were right and the believers do a doubletake. But you are really testing people a second time - a doublecross - and now everybody is hoaxed.
MileHigh
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@Sterling,
Actually it wasnt a Hoax more of a lesson. When I wrote to him privately suggesting what he had done is was very open and honest about it. This was when it first appeared. Kudos to him as it was a teaching exercise. I am sad it took so long for so many people to learn the lesson.
It is always interesting to study human behaviour here, I think thats why I keep comming back. There are some very smart people here, but sadly a few not so smart who believe anything as they want to believe.
I will stick to my scientific rules and methodology, it has served well over the years.
Kind Regards
Mark
PS I am still testing devices and working with a few inventors still...there is always hope.
Mark
did he tell you about the lies he left in his comment section to lead people to believe it was absolutely legit? He then removed his own comment when he made his reveal. He led people to believe there was no trickery and something to do with the coil configuration that made it work. Now if it was a lesson, you would be given the correct set of factors from the start. Once you introduce lies... well... It became another lesson that was meant to teach people they could be suckered. Those lessons are a penny a dozen on the net and this was just one of those. a hoax meant to teach that lesson, a lesson we don't need any more of, thanks.
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@Hugo
you make a good point, I guess I have to agree to a large extent. There are many Hoaxes, too many, and many more self delusional. I do admire the many who continue to reaseach and explore the boundries but are grounded enough to really know what their results demonstrate.
Kind Regards
Mark