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Author Topic: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"  (Read 123821 times)

padawan

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #150 on: February 26, 2009, 04:32:40 PM »
fake  for the universon !
I know him I speak with him....it's just a discharge in coil like coil gun...he said NO !
but i reproduce his experiment and prove it !
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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #151 on: February 26, 2009, 05:29:16 PM »
@padawan

The world is small indeed. I am surprised at your conclusion. If I understand his explanations, because I am bilingual here in Quebec, he has produced a special material that when impacted at force X will rebound and produce force X+Y. There is no mention of an electrocoil or I did not notice this in the literature.

Maybe you can one day open a new thread here and provide what you know about it and this would make a good basis for some closer debate. Honestly, I was not expecting you to say so categorically that his work is a fake. We learm something new every day.

Starcross42

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #152 on: February 26, 2009, 10:42:40 PM »
why did you tell people ball bearings are hard to find?  ::)


Integrity?

When I ordered materials for a class set (500+) I was informed by the company that a security check is being run for orders over a certain amount.  That a limit was being placed on orders for ball bearings and that they were becoming more difficult to purchase.  As that was my only experience, I forwarded the information.  Thanks for your interest.

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #153 on: February 26, 2009, 10:46:16 PM »
When I ordered materials for a class set (500+) I was informed by the company that a security check is being run for orders over a certain amount.  That a limit was being placed on orders for ball bearings and that they were becoming more difficult to purchase.  As that was my only experience, I forwarded the information.  Thanks for your interest.

Hey YOU ;D

Welcome in the cave of lions.

 :)

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« Reply #154 on: February 26, 2009, 10:59:32 PM »

I'm an optimistic skeptic.  I don't know if there is room for me here, but I came to this forum to talk to those who had concerns of my motives.


Is'nt this the one and only perfect place for optimistic skeptics?

I'am aware of;
the difference of reality to phantasy is bigger than in phantasy.

original quote in German is:
"Der Unterschied zwischen Realitaet und Wirklichkeit ist in Wirklichkeit viel grösser"


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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #155 on: February 26, 2009, 11:03:25 PM »

However, I would like to see details about the coil idea you had. If I understand the concept, it is good. Won't work in the fashion portrayed - for a few reasons but it may be a solution for other ideas.

BEP
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I am still working my way around the site and have not been able to locate the original thread on the LEGO perpetual motion.  Sorry.
At any rate, there was a post on the first page from someone who linked to the exact coil, schematic, and a picture of the 'perpetual motion' pendulum toy that was the source of my coils.  That is exactly what I used, including the battery.  The coil was exactly the one pictured in my video.  Less than a day after posting my video one of your members revealed its secrets.  I was impressed.

The coil works pretty much the way I describe it.  The magnet swings into the coil.  A small amount of current opens the base of a transistor.  This shoots a jolt of electricity from the 9v battery into the coil creating a repelling magnetic field, pushing the magnet back out again.  The toy has a pendulum motion so the KE is turned into GPE, the pendulum stops, and the cycle begins on the other side.  I had seen a perpetual motion device at the Toronto Science Museum back in the '80s and I identified some black 'blocks' as part of a rotating wheel.  I suspect that they had a similar coil/battery system in these blocks that 'powered' the device, but they also had some nice distractors. 

As my initial motivation dealt with Back EMF I tried to come up with a way that it could be used as an unbalanced force in a system.  That was the evolution of my device.  I have not taken a coil apart so I can't give you a winding ratio, but the toys are easy to find.  There is a source from China called dealextreme.com that has a plethora of toys.  Actually, they have some very small versions that are driven by solar cells.  Light shines on it and it swings back and forth all day.

Hope that helps.
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Starcross42

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #156 on: February 26, 2009, 11:06:51 PM »
Hey YOU ;D

Welcome in the cave of lions.

 :)

Still getting my feet wet.  No lions yet.  I'll keep my back to the wall.

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #157 on: February 26, 2009, 11:50:14 PM »
When I ordered materials for a class set (500+) I was informed by the company that a security check is being run for orders over a certain amount.  That a limit was being placed on orders for ball bearings and that they were becoming more difficult to purchase.  As that was my only experience, I forwarded the information.  Thanks for your interest.
this story from the guy that banned me for not buying your story of the student who spun himself to death trying to go back in time to prevent 9/11 ::) 

You're selling a few ball bearings to people, not 500+ so even if your story is true, it doesn't make sense.  gee, wonder why there isn't a background check for buying boxes of nails, they're used in IED's too... Cartons of BBs... nope... just walk into walmart... 

So now that you've had the information for a while that they're not hard to find, I see you've changed your video to reflect the truth.  Oh, I guess not, why is that?  Integrity?

You can buy them from Ace and most hardware stores no questions asked.  Industrial supply stores are also an option. 

Or ebay, this is just from one seller: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZtoolsupply

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #158 on: February 26, 2009, 11:54:16 PM »
Rehello !
see all my experiment at

http://www.youtube.com/user/gilbondfac?gl=FR&hl=fr

Hello Padawan

Great video. What is the magnet configuration you have used there ? Is it something that's common knowledge ? I hope so.


Can anyone shed any light on that for me ?


thanks.

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #159 on: February 27, 2009, 12:40:34 AM »
I am still working my way around the site and have not been able to locate the original thread on the LEGO perpetual motion.  Sorry.
At any rate, there was a post on the first page from someone who linked to the exact coil, schematic, and a picture of the 'perpetual motion' pendulum toy that was the source of my coils. 

Thanks.

That was my post BTW. I figured that was the one you used and enjoyed watching most blow over it. That coil was by a fellow HAM.

BEP

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #160 on: February 27, 2009, 12:52:54 AM »
this story from the guy that banned me for not buying your story of the student who spun himself to death trying to go back in time to prevent 9/11 ::) 

Or ebay, this is just from one seller: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZtoolsupply


Thanks for the info. 

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #161 on: February 27, 2009, 01:12:15 AM »
Thanks for the info. 
actually the info was a hoax.  You need DHS approval to buy ball bearings ::)

Starcross42

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #162 on: February 27, 2009, 01:52:15 AM »
actually the info was a hoax.  You need DHS approval to buy ball bearings ::)

Hugo Chavez,
I'm sorry that you felt so betrayed by my LEGO perpetual motion device.  I know that you were the one that posted it on this site and I also saw that, when others suggested that there might be a trick, you defended it.

The video was not intended to fool you or embarrass you in any way.

Too many people are too eager for simple solutions to complex issues.  I've run into quite a few of them in my career and it is difficult to persuade them that the road to true creativity is paved with hard work and many (many) failures along the way.  I created the video as a response to a specific person.  He wanted a simple solution so I offered it to him... using LEGOs.

When I realized how personally you took the whole adventure, I shared with you a specific story where I ignored signs of delusion from a former student (my son) hoping that it was instead an insight of genius (historically difficult to differentiate).  I never told you that he died, but rather that the police found him in a pool of blood when he thought he could resonate his body to the correct quantum harmonic and travel at the speed of light, and that he went through a pane of glass believing that he had achieved that goal.  He survived and was diagnosed as having the onset of manic depression (surprisingly common in college age people) and now trying to live with the condition.  Your responce to that was both insensitive and cruel; so I blocked you from my youtube site.

However, your anger and feelings of betrayal are ultimately the result of my LEGO adventure, and for that I am sorry.

I came here so that you could chastise me on the forum of your friends.  You have done that.

It would be a good idea to move on and, in the future, be a bit more skeptical.

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #163 on: February 27, 2009, 02:12:23 AM »
Hugo Chavez,
I'm sorry that you felt so betrayed by my LEGO perpetual motion device.  I know that you were the one that posted it on this site and I also saw that, when others suggested that there might be a trick, you defended it.

The video was not intended to fool you or embarrass you in any way.

Too many people are too eager for simple solutions to complex issues.  I've run into quite a few of them in my career and it is difficult to persuade them that the road to true creativity is paved with hard work and many (many) failures along the way.  I created the video as a response to a specific person.  He wanted a simple solution so I offered it to him... using LEGOs.

When I realized how personally you took the whole adventure, I shared with you a specific story where I ignored signs of delusion from a former student (my son) hoping that it was instead an insight of genius (historically difficult to differentiate).  I never told you that he died, but rather that the police found him in a pool of blood when he thought he could resonate his body to the correct quantum harmonic and travel at the speed of light, and that he went through a pane of glass believing that he had achieved that goal.  He survived and was diagnosed as having the onset of manic depression (surprisingly common in college age people) and now trying to live with the condition.  Your responce to that was both insensitive and cruel; so I blocked you from my youtube site.

However, your anger and feelings of betrayal are ultimately the result of my LEGO adventure, and for that I am sorry.

I came here so that you could chastise me on the forum of your friends.  You have done that.

It would be a good idea to move on and, in the future, be a bit more skeptical.
show me where I defended it?  Where did I say this will work? I said you didn't seem the type to make a hoax video ::)  That,... I was wrong about.  Don't make this about me, it's about the countless people like you wasting time for people who work on PM and OU concepts.  You said it was actually just one person who challenged you.  Why then did you not make this video for that one person instead of gearing a hoax for all?  Again, don't make this about me, all I did was make a character assumption about you.  You struck me as the type who had some integrity.

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #164 on: February 27, 2009, 02:24:49 AM »
When I realized how personally you took the whole adventure, I shared with you a specific story where I ignored signs of delusion from a former student (my son) hoping that it was instead an insight of genius (historically difficult to differentiate).  I never told you that he died, but rather that the police found him in a pool of blood when he thought he could resonate his body to the correct quantum harmonic and travel at the speed of light, and that he went through a pane of glass believing that he had achieved that goal.  He survived and was diagnosed as having the onset of manic depression (surprisingly common in college age people) and now trying to live with the condition.  Your responce to that was both insensitive and cruel; so I blocked you from my youtube site.

This is another BS lie,  You never said it was your son in your post, yet you came at me like you had. 

This was your post and if you get worked up and ban someone over calling BS to this, baaaa:

"I had a student talk to me about molecular harmonic resonance and what I thought about it. I wanted to be supportive so I encouraged him to pursue the math. When the police got to him a week later he was naked and lying in a pool of his own blood. He thought that if he tuned himself just right, he could run at the speed of light, go back in time, and stop 9/11 from happening. "

When the police got to him a week later ::)  He thought he could run at the speed of light and go back in time to stop 9/11...

Oh no, no reason most people would call BS on that lol