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Author Topic: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"  (Read 106467 times)

Offline Yucca

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2009, 10:08:16 PM »
Yo.
I have had some conversation with him via email .

Did he reveal that the device has batteries in it?

As a teacher, he must attract his students other than with plain formulas. Like Advertisement is doing as well, ADs and Movies are "lying" to us all the time in order to get attention.

Another educating video which is plain explaining Lenz Forces only would not have attract that many kids. If kids (and childish adults;)  are understanding, why the Lego-setup could not work, they do have a very good basis to work on their own solutions.

So you think a free energy youtube vid will attract kids not usually interested in science? I have found that if you try to talk to anyone not interested in science about free energy or overunity, that person will not be interested. They won´t suddenly say:
"whooo free energy, tell me more about the science in it!"

The only people he´s attracting with the OU video is OU researchers, most of whom will be more familiar with electromagnetics than him.

Also ads don´t lie, they exagerate maybe, but not lie. Imagine an ad saying $5 for this 500g packet of food. You buy the packet only to find it full of dirt!

Thats, why i do like his style. He is a science-fiction fan, but restricted to teach those futuristic theories at school. .... What is obviously understandable somehow . ;D

Science fiction fan or not. It´s not good to try and sell ideas using lies that might waste others time.

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2009, 10:08:16 PM »

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #46 on: February 20, 2009, 10:50:35 PM »
Hi everyone,
please remember he is a teacher and there is a lesson involved here. Howmany technologies have we viewed here inthe last few years only to realise they did not have any overunity?
I am sure in good time the teacher will reveal all. In the mean time ask yourself the question why is this not possible?
Over many years of verifying technologies I.E. magentic devices etc, I have often seen devices that appear real....but in every single case an answer was eventually found why they were not self running or overunity.
In this case the answer has been revealed by someone else in this thread.
Watch out for future video's....I am sure they will be very revealing.
Kind Regards
Mark

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2009, 11:29:02 PM »
Hi everyone,
please remember he is a teacher and there is a lesson involved here. Howmany technologies have we viewed here inthe last few years only to realise they did not have any overunity?
I am sure in good time the teacher will reveal all. In the mean time ask yourself the question why is this not possible?
Over many years of verifying technologies I.E. magentic devices etc, I have often seen devices that appear real....but in every single case an answer was eventually found why they were not self running or overunity.
In this case the answer has been revealed by someone else in this thread.
Watch out for future video's....I am sure they will be very revealing.
Kind Regards
Mark


Hi Mark,

Nice to hear you out there again.  This one was interesting to watch but it appeared to have no power (strength) to it anyway.  Wouldn't it be nice if it were that easy to do...  The one to watch will be able to accelerate up to speed. 

 

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #48 on: February 21, 2009, 12:28:17 AM »


Hi Guys,

This Lego machine looks amazing. Does it not?
A kinda Bedini's SSG without any input Bat ???

Or a big fake ???

I do not like the puffy and boasting tonality of his discourse.
As far as I can catch it he said:
"I got a lot of flake from people who want to teach about perpetual motion. So I decided I would simply build a perpetual motion machine so I can explain the principle to people and I will not have to argue about it any more".

I would bet for a big f' deceit!  IMHO, this guy is kidding us.
For ex: a fan has good bearings indeed;  but if you do not remove the coils it will, when hand set in motion, act as a generator  and quickly stall (spin not freely). See 0:03:47 frames.

Best

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #49 on: February 21, 2009, 01:34:00 AM »
Hi Yucca,
Perhaps it is thin ice for me now, because its a sensible thema
and english is not my native tounge, i will try to explain my opinion.

Did he reveal that the device has batteries in it?

Are you asking all the experimenters to leave out their fingers of their devices?
Till today, i have'nt seen any selfrunning devices. Youtube's devices are full of fingers and batteries.
But besides of that, a lot of videos are encouraging nevertheless.
The explained principles are true. And maybe, with more sandwich-coils and tighter air-gap it will work.
Look at Bedini or Adams replications.
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So you think a free energy youtube vid will attract kids not usually interested in science? I have found that if you try to talk to anyone not interested in science about free energy or overunity, that person will not be interested. They won´t suddenly say:
"whooo free energy, tell me more about the science in it!"
Example:
One day, my son asked me a question:
"If a dynamo produces electricity by rotating its shaft and
a motor spins when you put in electricity. Why not simply combine the two by their axis?"
At first, I had to explain a DC-motor. Explaining a generator was easy, because its basically the same.
So he asked:
"So why not putting two coils like a sandwich and you have a motor and generator in one device?"
Huh. Friction losses are easy to explain, but what about Mr.Lenz, Mr. Faraday and Eddy?
I am able to explain their "Laws" but the laws are still leaving some space for creativity.
And here we are. My little son and tenthousands of OU-Researchers.
Look at Thane, Whoopy and others which are doing a great job.
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Also ads don´t lie, they exagerate maybe, but not lie. Imagine an ad saying $5 for this 500g packet of food. You buy the packet only to find it full of dirt!
I dont know, where you live, but here in germany we are always seeing cars flying,
laser swords, detergents washing whiter than white,etc in our TV-Commercials.
Is that exagerating? Where is the border beetween exagerating and lying?
Have you ever hold a real BigMac as seen on the Glossy photos above the counter?
Are you complaining these lies?
This Lego-Professor is 100% true with the shown theory visualized by his setup .
 
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Science fiction fan or not. It´s not good to try and sell ideas using lies that might waste others time.
He is not selling anything.
And if you feel to waste your lifetime with learning physics or by researching OU in general,
you should really not watch most youtube videos.
Youtube is entertainment and education in one.
So is his movie.

If Scotty is beaming up Kirk in a movie,
are you running to your garage to build a heisenberg compensator to build a "beam-bay" for travelling?
No, but we are all dreaming that it will happen one day.

best,
sushi
« Last Edit: February 21, 2009, 02:11:55 AM by sushimoto »

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #50 on: February 21, 2009, 05:03:02 AM »
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This is a demonstration of concept. Im not prepared at this point to reveal all my secrets. Im concerned that if I present too much information that the authorities will try and discredit me. Right now its just a cute toy. Im sure that you understand.

can you believe this guy?!
classic!
i guess fame is more important than saving the world?
if he doesn't open source this not only will the "authorities" discredit him and probably kill him but will also make it disappear from public never to be seen.   
what's next?...his going to go to the patent office? lol classic!

* that's if this is for real and he actually has a working device that is truly free energy/over unity.



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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #51 on: February 21, 2009, 05:25:23 AM »
Hmm,
now he is selling
Rail Gun DIY kits,
so were these other perpetual wheel videos
just to make some free advertisement for the
Rail Gun kits ?


Would be better ifhe would sell the coils and transistors for the perpetual wheel .
That would be much more interesting and he would sell much more !



Regards, Stefan.

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
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Offline ltseung888

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #52 on: February 21, 2009, 08:10:11 AM »
My comments on his video are in:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2794.msg159001#msg159001

We shall reproduce his setup and make it demonstrate overunity.  That can be a good teaching tool to complement our flying saucer proof-of-concept set.

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #53 on: February 21, 2009, 09:54:25 AM »
Hmm,
now he is selling
Rail Gun DIY kits,
so were these other perpetual wheel videos
just to make some free advertisement for the
Rail Gun kits ?


Would be better ifhe would sell the coils and transistors for the perpetual wheel .
That would be much more interesting and he would sell much more !
Regards, Stefan.

Stefan,
He simply will not sell the coils for two reasons;
first, they dont have much educational effect and
second, they just dont work to build OU.
He is not there to sell much more and nor to supply parts as "DIY Overunity-Kits".
He is a teacher.

For this small set of steel&magnet balls he asks for 5$ in a comic-bubble.
Is that worth to start a big business campaign?

Thats not his mission.
You guys here (as i do) must understand,
that there is a huge gap beetween advanced researchers here and
"common people" outside.
 90% of the youth is playing Computergames,
but if electricity fails, they are not able to make a fire
due to the lack of basic knowledge in physics.
These 90% are by far not able to make electricity.
Most people here could at least imagine and construct  a "shaker flashlight"
with a capacitor coil and a magnet.

Maybe, with 5$ of investment, you could get your children
away from Doom or such ego-shooter
to awake some interest in real life.
Its not a gun, but an attractive real-live experience.

best,
sushi




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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #54 on: February 21, 2009, 10:06:23 AM »
I think I now have a very good idea, how it can work.

Have a look at the following picture.

I borrowed a picture from JL. Naudin´s coil research and modified it.

Dr. Altmann uses pretty big diameter sized permanent magnets.

So if he has 2 coils on the spool, one with a very large turn number coil
with fine wire size and
one very low turn coil with bigger wire diameter,it is a perfect solution.

Now see the induction voltage from the picture when we use a graetz
bridge rectifier on the large turn coil.
This will generate quite a nice induction voltage into a cap after the graetz bridge.

So an incoming rotating magnet can charge up a 100 nF cap behind the graetz bridge probably to
around a few Volts already.
Now comes the tricky part.
To get a good repelling pulse, we have to use the whole cap energy
and have to discharge it in a short amount of time into the second
low turn coil which will be wired in repelling mode.
This can be done by a voltage comparator circuit, in the simplest form
of a zenerdiode to fire the transistor or FET to discharge the cap energy storage
into the low turn number second coil.
As this second coil has a low ohmical resistance the current buildup
is really quick and thus there willbe flowing probably at least an amp
in a few milliseconds for a short period of time, which will
generate a pretty strong repelling magnet field...

So all in all this circuit might work pretty well and it is not so mysterious as
it looks.
It just depends of the 2 coils, what the high turn number coil can generate for an induction voltage
into the cap and then how this stored energy can best be used to repell the passing magnet.
As the magnet is pretty wide in diameter, it is still in the transit, when the cap is already charged after
the pulses from the scopeshot, so coil 2 can still repell it with some force.

So maybe if we make the magnet still wider or use 2 magnets side by side,
the repelling force will be much better, as there will be still enough magnet surface there after
the voltage spikes,so all depends on the setup of the magnets and the coils to each other.
It could also be beneficail to have the 2 coils not on the same spool but to have them side by
side, so the first high turn coil can charge up the cap and then the second low turn
coil can fire the repelling pulse, when it is exactly top dead center over it.

The trick is really to use 2 different turn number coils, as there is the induction voltage
difference of a high turn coil versus a low turn coil, which is okay to charge up the cap.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #55 on: February 21, 2009, 10:34:16 AM »
Okay, I have been drawing up now the complete circuit
how I think it could be done.
Remember, that the low turn coil L2 must be
reverse connected versus high turn number coil L1.

Hope this helps.

Please post your comments.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #56 on: February 21, 2009, 10:57:39 AM »
Here is an updated image which shows the
possible cap voltage over time.

It might be, that it is okay, ifthe low
turn coil L2 only repells during
each second pass by of a magnet,
but then the cap will have more charge
and the repelling pulse will be much higher.

What do you think ?

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #57 on: February 21, 2009, 01:23:07 PM »
Here is an updated image which shows the
possible cap voltage over time.

It might be, that it is okay, ifthe low
turn coil L2 only repells during
each second pass by of a magnet,
but then the cap will have more charge
and the repelling pulse will be much higher.

What do you think ?

Regards, Stefan.

Nice diagrams.  Why not build this and then report how well it works to all? 

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #58 on: February 21, 2009, 03:22:33 PM »
Here is an updated image which shows the
possible cap voltage over time.

It might be, that it is okay, ifthe low
turn coil L2 only repells during
each second pass by of a magnet,
but then the cap will have more charge
and the repelling pulse will be much higher.

What do you think ?

Regards, Stefan.

Hi Stefan,

This circuit is a good starter.
in conjunction with some Joule-Thief to amplify
and another opto for timing the "firing" it could be completed.

How do you think about our friends Mr.Lenz and Eddy?

best, sushi

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #59 on: February 21, 2009, 06:28:46 PM »

Get the waveform to turn in at the bottom a bit and I think you've got something....


lol.


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