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Offline jadaro2600

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #60 on: February 21, 2009, 09:39:31 PM »
It's odd that even after revealing that the device is sitting on a motor ...

It may look like it's running freely, but my instincts are telling my that there's a hole in the table, and power running to the fan - that the coils are just useless ornaments and the lecture is a theory demonstration.  Ahem - hypothesis.

Try reading this thread: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6645.0

Does this guy even have a website?

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #61 on: February 22, 2009, 02:10:52 AM »
Even though this video is listed as  Category:  Entertainment on Youtube it makes for some good discussion.  I wonder how much power is produced by the coil whenthe magnet passes the coil?   

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #62 on: February 22, 2009, 02:29:37 AM »
I think I now have a very good idea, how it can work.

Have a look at the following picture.

I borrowed a picture from JL. Naudin´s coil research and modified it.

Dr. Altmann uses pretty big diameter sized permanent magnets.

So if he has 2 coils on the spool, one with a very large turn number coil
with fine wire size and
one very low turn coil with bigger wire diameter,it is a perfect solution.

Now see the induction voltage from the picture when we use a graetz
bridge rectifier on the large turn coil.
This will generate quite a nice induction voltage into a cap after the graetz bridge.

So an incoming rotating magnet can charge up a 100 nF cap behind the graetz bridge probably to
around a few Volts already.
Now comes the tricky part.
To get a good repelling pulse, we have to use the whole cap energy
and have to discharge it in a short amount of time into the second
low turn coil which will be wired in repelling mode.
This can be done by a voltage comparator circuit, in the simplest form
of a zenerdiode to fire the transistor or FET to discharge the cap energy storage
into the low turn number second coil.
As this second coil has a low ohmical resistance the current buildup
is really quick and thus there willbe flowing probably at least an amp
in a few milliseconds for a short period of time, which will
generate a pretty strong repelling magnet field...

So all in all this circuit might work pretty well and it is not so mysterious as
it looks.
It just depends of the 2 coils, what the high turn number coil can generate for an induction voltage
into the cap and then how this stored energy can best be used to repell the passing magnet.
As the magnet is pretty wide in diameter, it is still in the transit, when the cap is already charged after
the pulses from the scopeshot, so coil 2 can still repell it with some force.

So maybe if we make the magnet still wider or use 2 magnets side by side,
the repelling force will be much better, as there will be still enough magnet surface there after
the voltage spikes,so all depends on the setup of the magnets and the coils to each other.
It could also be beneficail to have the 2 coils not on the same spool but to have them side by
side, so the first high turn coil can charge up the cap and then the second low turn
coil can fire the repelling pulse, when it is exactly top dead center over it.

The trick is really to use 2 different turn number coils, as there is the induction voltage
difference of a high turn coil versus a low turn coil, which is okay to charge up the cap.

Regards, Stefan.

Dear Stefan,

Excellent job.

Two teams from our side of the World (Hong Kong and China) will take up the experimental testing.  They are also experimenting with the pulse DC circuits with program control.

The theory is similar.  When a magnet is attracted to a stationary coil, it will increase in velocity.  If the coil suddenly lost it magnetism when the magnet is at the highest velocity, the magnet will not be attracted back.  If the coil suddenly changes polarity, the repulsion will further push the magnet away.

One obvious technique is the use of Pulse Current which has beed successfully demonstrated in the Newman, Bedini, Adams and the 225 HP Pulse Motor.

This Dr. Altmann technique of using two coils and a transistor to do the equivalent is a great teaching tool.  It may not lead-out as much energy as the Pulse Current technique but it helps in the understanding.

Please continue your brilliant work.  We have learned much from you et al.  The World benefits because of your tireless efforts.

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #64 on: February 22, 2009, 04:44:12 AM »
Well at least OU.com got a mention for having intelligent folks.

Bill

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #65 on: February 22, 2009, 05:34:14 AM »
@Bill
Phew...
Thanks, I needed that. For a minute there I felt my I.Q. drop watching Chelsea and not the test.

Also, I got a positive response back on youtube.

--giantkiller.
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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #66 on: February 22, 2009, 07:11:47 AM »
We rest our case.

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #67 on: February 22, 2009, 07:20:37 AM »
Dear Stefan,

Excellent job.

Two teams from our side of the World (Hong Kong and China) will take up the experimental testing.  They are also experimenting with the pulse DC circuits with program control.

The theory is similar.  When a magnet is attracted to a stationary coil, it will increase in velocity.  If the coil suddenly lost it magnetism when the magnet is at the highest velocity, the magnet will not be attracted back.  If the coil suddenly changes polarity, the repulsion will further push the magnet away.

One obvious technique is the use of Pulse Current which has beed successfully demonstrated in the Newman, Bedini, Adams and the 225 HP Pulse Motor.

This Dr. Altmann technique of using two coils and a transistor to do the equivalent is a great teaching tool.  It may not lead-out as much energy as the Pulse Current technique but it helps in the understanding.

Please continue your brilliant work.  We have learned much from you et al.  The World benefits because of your tireless efforts.

@Tseung

It seemed like you're ever so sure that every possible O.U device has to havr the magic Lee-Tseung witch brew?
Well, sorry to disappoint you. Looks like you really are so delusional you can't tell what is real and what is trickery!

http://www.youtube.com/user/Starcross42

Now, don't you look silly now?
Maybe you'll stop posting your Lee-Tseung nonsense once and for all. Stephan can save some hosting money on delusional nonsense. eh?

You don't need two teams, you need to take some medication. Really.

cheers
chrisC

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #68 on: February 22, 2009, 10:35:35 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qF3v9LZmfQ&feature=subscription

enjoy

He says the fan motor charges the cap and the stored energy is used to pulse the coils. There are some peculiarities about this:

A muffin fan, like the one he uses, is a brushless multiphase device that has an inbuilt controller circuit to generate the correct phases. When you handspin one of these fans, they will NOT generate potential across the power input wires. You can not use one of these fans as a generator. Only if you remove the control circuit would you have a multiphase generator to which you would have to connect a rectification network in order to charge a cap.

When I study the video very carefully it looks like the wires connecting the "cap" to the fan are just spoof wires, they are clipped off at the fan end and do not penetrate the baseboard at all, just hot glued on. This is very obvious when you view the video full size and pause and then study the shadow cast by the wire. His finger is also eager to cover the end of this wire. You will also note that he did not bother to route grooves in the wooden base for this wire wheras he did for the coil drive wires, an obvious spoof addon at the end.

The "capacitor" seems to be sitting in a rectangular hole, a hole that would hold a PP3 9V cell perfectly. The "capacitor" is too tall for the baseboard so the baseboard does not rest on the table but wobbles about on this. If he took the trouble to route grooves for the coil drive wires then why would he have the cap sitting proud. Also in all earlier vids the baseboard does NOT sit proud, it sits flat. We can conclude that the running vids did not use the green "capacitor" as a power source.

Note:
The "cap" underneath may not be a cap at all. It looks like a PCB mountable NiMH cell, usually used for UPS in RAM or clock circuits etc. It will probably be 3.5V and judging by the size of it several hundred mAH capacity, possibly approaching 1AH. So capable of holding quite a few Joules, far more than an equivalently sized capacitor, even if it were an ultracap.

So he added some extras to his reveal in order to make it look like he was trying to feedback fan generated power to the drive "cap". For what reason I don´t know, maybe it was a token gesture to the FE community sort of like saying "see I WAS trying to get a self runner".

I suspect the original held a 9V pp3 NiCd or NiMH cell that drove the transitorised coils.

His 20min run video is now explained, it was slowing at the end because his cell was beginning to drop off.

Anyway, kudos to him "revealing" in the end,  he made a nice pulse motor with his transitorised coils with inbuilt triggers. Maybe he was closer to a FE device than he thought!

edit:
I will say this. This guys whole escapade was VERY UNSCIENTIFIC! His motive for doing this is still unclear to me?

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #69 on: February 22, 2009, 11:09:31 AM »
Hi Yucca,
Perhaps it is thin ice for me now, because its a sensible thema
and english is not my native tounge, i will try to explain my opinion.
 
Are you asking all the experimenters to leave out their fingers of their devices?
Till today, i have'nt seen any selfrunning devices. Youtube's devices are full of fingers and batteries.
But besides of that, a lot of videos are encouraging nevertheless.
The explained principles are true. And maybe, with more sandwich-coils and tighter air-gap it will work.
Look at Bedini or Adams replications.Example:
One day, my son asked me a question:
"If a dynamo produces electricity by rotating its shaft and
a motor spins when you put in electricity. Why not simply combine the two by their axis?"
At first, I had to explain a DC-motor. Explaining a generator was easy, because its basically the same.
So he asked:
"So why not putting two coils like a sandwich and you have a motor and generator in one device?"
Huh. Friction losses are easy to explain, but what about Mr.Lenz, Mr. Faraday and Eddy?
I am able to explain their "Laws" but the laws are still leaving some space for creativity.
And here we are. My little son and tenthousands of OU-Researchers.
Look at Thane, Whoopy and others which are doing a great job.I dont know, where you live, but here in germany we are always seeing cars flying,
laser swords, detergents washing whiter than white,etc in our TV-Commercials.
Is that exagerating? Where is the border beetween exagerating and lying?
Have you ever hold a real BigMac as seen on the Glossy photos above the counter?
Are you complaining these lies?
This Lego-Professor is 100% true with the shown theory visualized by his setup .
 He is not selling anything.
And if you feel to waste your lifetime with learning physics or by researching OU in general,
you should really not watch most youtube videos.
Youtube is entertainment and education in one.
So is his movie.

If Scotty is beaming up Kirk in a movie,
are you running to your garage to build a heisenberg compensator to build a "beam-bay" for travelling?
No, but we are all dreaming that it will happen one day.

best,
sushi

Sushi,

Worry not, your command of the English language is EXCELLENT! I am slowly learning Spanish and I would love to speak it as well as you speak English.

Yes I am very familiar with Woopy and his UCC coil idea for pulse motors, I am working alongside him and developing embedded software so that we can both search for any peculiarities in the coil:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6727.msg157560#msg157560

My research in this very area was interrupted by this video which turned out to be fake. I guess that´s why I got a little fired up about it all.

All the best, Yucca.

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #70 on: February 22, 2009, 11:09:57 AM »
Starcross42 revealed himself as a firstclass twit.  I appologize to everyone for giving the clown any benefit of doubt.  I'm totally floored that he says he was hoping for the level of thinking that would guess a battery or capacitor.  Oh brother.  His lesson is that these things can be faked with a battery/capacitor?  I'm quite sure everyone knew that to be an easy possibility.  Wow, thanks Starcross42   I feel so much smarter now knowing these items can be faked  ::)
« Last Edit: February 22, 2009, 08:07:37 PM by Hugo Chavez »

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #71 on: February 22, 2009, 12:01:15 PM »
At least it brought an interesting concept up from Stefan. This is really the cool part about everything. As long as we believe something works we can make our working design out of the vague idea even though it has nothing to do with the original idea, that's how creative minds work.

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #72 on: February 22, 2009, 12:16:40 PM »
what do you guys think?  I've watched a lot of this guy's videos and he doesn't seem like the type who would fake something:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB1gslDaeS4
This will simply not work. The reason is simple:
When the base of the transistor is activated so the transistor shortcircuits the biggest coil, that biggest coil will not push the magnet away when the magnet is passing, but attract it with backward force - according to Lentz law. He claims that the coil is turned into an electromagnet, that is correct. He also claims that the coil is pushing the magnet away, which is also true, BUT that push is ALLWAYS when the coil is approaching the magnet. Is short: A shortcurcuit coil works like a break on a moving magnet regardless on what direction the magnet is moving.

Br.

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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #73 on: February 22, 2009, 01:31:49 PM »
The concept is still intriguing.

‘Kick’ coils do work. They are the heart of many perpetual motion toys. However, they do not work by ‘opening’ a coil circuit so Lenz does not work during part of the cycle. – Not that I have seen.

I’ll give him credit for parts of his pre-reveal theory of operation being original but his build is not.
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Re: New youtube of magnet/coil "perpetual motion"
« Reply #74 on: February 22, 2009, 04:26:32 PM »
The concept is still intriguing.

‘Kick’ coils do work. They are the heart of many perpetual motion toys. However, they do no work by ‘opening’ a coil circuit so Lenz does not work during part of the cycle. – Not that I have seen.

I’ll give him credit for parts of his pre-reveal theory of operation being original but his build is not.


Hi,
if you consider his build as a "visualisalizion", then it should get some credit too.
... Maybe not by the sophisticated community, but to the common sense and kids imagination.
He wants to leave room for their own creativity.

best regards, sushi

 

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