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Author Topic: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory  (Read 2188926 times)

chrisC

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #5280 on: February 10, 2010, 10:13:52 PM »
The explanation from the Bedini Website http://johnbedini.net:
Should be interesting to explain the operation of this 10 Coil  from the Lead-Out Energy Theory.

So, you're not on the Steorn bandwagon anymore? Or this Bedini energizer is easier for you to copy and try to impress that the LT 'Theory' has merits?

cheers
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WilbyInebriated

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #5281 on: February 11, 2010, 02:27:32 AM »
So, you're not on the Steorn bandwagon anymore? Or this Bedini energizer is easier for you to copy and try to impress that the LT 'Theory' has merits?

cheers
chrisC
other than being juvenile, what purpose does your continual chanting of the same thing serve?

did you get a soldering iron yet you poser? have you learned how to code a web spider yet?

chrisC

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #5282 on: February 11, 2010, 02:42:10 AM »
other than being juvenile, what purpose does your continual chanting of the same thing serve?

did you get a  yet you poser? have you learned how to code a web spider yet?

Actually I have TWO soldering irons and talking about web spiders, you're probably too stupid to understand web spiders and stuff like that. Oh, btw are you still living at the run down apartment sandwiched between the railway tracks? I understand it's hard to live in your neighborhood but then with a name like Wilby_urinated,  that's not surprising.

cheers
chrisC

WilbyInebriated

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #5283 on: February 11, 2010, 02:46:32 AM »
Actually I have TWO soldering irons and talking about web spiders, you're probably too stupid to understand web spiders and stuff like that. Oh, btw are you still living at the run down apartment sandwiched between the railway tracks? I understand it's hard to live in your neighborhood but then with a name like Wilby_urinated,  that's not surprising.

cheers
chrisC
want me to requote your idiotic theory about how the number of hits on this thread was due to spiders? remember? when you said it was due to the google spiders and i did the math to show you it wasnt'. remember i even placed a glaring error in the math and none of you mental giants (you, utlilit, shrugged atlas, etc.) even noticed the error...

chris, making a crappy web page with yahoo or geocities doesn't make you a web dev... and no self respecting EE would be without a soldering iron... which you admitted not having over a year ago.

the rest of your reply i won't bother responding to as it is one of your usual logical fallacies. you're a poser chrisc...

WilbyInebriated

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #5284 on: February 11, 2010, 02:57:54 AM »

They may be 75,000 hits and most are from internet "spiders" from Google or Yahoo. But there is only one miserably stubborn old man who cannot prove what he is dreaming about! That's how sad it has been.

cheers
chrisC

and my reply. (this one has the intentional math error that neither you nor any of the other self titled geniuses noticed...)
and the 75,000+ hits... googlebot and spiders?  LMFAO ok lets say the googlebot hits this site every 30 minutes (thats about how often it hits the sites i admin, perhaps stephan would tell us how often googlebot hits this site). this thread has been active for almost a year...
365 days * 24 hours a day = 8760 hours in a year...divided by 2 since the bot hits every half hour and you have? 4380 google bot hits in a year. now, lets be generous and give the same to yahoo and a couple other search bots. 4380 * 5 = 21900.   still 50,000+ hits short of the 75,000+ mark... and you guys talk about tseung talking out his ass..... am i to to assume that you are gonna attribute the remaining 50,000+ hits coming from tseung and his allegedly multiple persona's hitting the refresh button?  LOLZ

and yes, i urge you, please go to KINDERGARTEN again and learn basic social skills. that is the first step for you

then your reply where you attempt to suggest that a web spider has 'a sense of humor'...
Oh sorry Mr. Wilby, I'm a naughty boy and I will go register myself in a kindergarden. But they might not take me?
Also, did you consider the extra 50,000 hits being people or spiders who find the comedy show refreshing? I get my laughter every morning. Maybe you should follow the comedy show too and then you won't have this ax to grind?

cheers
chrisC

and my reply
i did allow for the extra hits... i added 3 search engine bots and GENEROUSLY gave them a hit every half hour which is far to frequent, more like once a day..
They may be 75,000 hits and most are from internet "spiders" from Google or Yahoo.
you said "most", thats what i was refuting. you were wrong, admit it. you can't expect ltseung to admit he is "wrong" when you wont admit you were wrong, even after it has been demonstrated by your "hallowed math". speaking of your math, am i now to consider 25,000 to be more than 50,000? again where did you learn math?
 maybe you should follow along.
no axe to grind. i call a spade a spade

now this all happened back on page 165 or so, so all numbers reflect that point in time. it goes to show that chrisc does nothing on this site except show up when someone posts on the ltseung thread to spew his idiotic vitriol. post in here and it rings a 'time to feed your ego' bell at chrisc's, utilitarian's, markdansie's, etc.  all of them being nothing but talkers that never build anything... imagine that.

X00013

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #5285 on: February 11, 2010, 03:34:29 AM »
@itsung888 "We cannot afford to have debunkers deliberately destroying and wasting our limited resources", your on the "wong" wrong website , go fuck your$self


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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #5286 on: February 11, 2010, 07:20:40 AM »
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did you get a soldering iron yet you poser? have you learned how to code a web spider yet?
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Actually I have TWO soldering irons and talking about web spiders, you're probably too stupid to understand web spiders and stuff like that. Oh, btw are you still living at the run down apartment sandwiched between the railway tracks? I understand it's hard to live in your neighborhood but then with a name like Wilby_urinated,  that's not surprising.

cheers
chrisC

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@itsung888 "We cannot afford to have debunkers deliberately destroying and wasting our limited resources", your on the "wong" wrong website , go fuck your$self

that´s why I don´t really like forums. The focus switchs too fast away from the main topic, to personal issues or the people start to attacking each other verbal.

But back to the main topic.

@888
Thank you for the prompt response and the contact address of Mr. Wong.
When will the 300W Version be ready and working? Do you already have a working prototype?

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Dr. Wang helped us to sell the first prototype unit to a factory owner, Mr. Alan Li.
1. Dr.Wang: a typo? I guess you meant Dr. Wong.
2. Is there a way to get in contact to Mr. Alan Li?
3. Bought Mr. Li a device in order to produce own devices? If so, have you information's about when they hit the market?

About the Bedini Kits sold via http://www.potentialtec.com. I don´t know if i got that information right, but the Bedini device cannot charge the second battery to a 100%. So it just helps to use the battery energy in a more efficient way. So not really OU.

WilbyInebriated

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #5287 on: February 11, 2010, 07:48:06 AM »
that´s why I don´t really like forums. The focus switchs too fast away from the main topic, to personal issues or the people start to attacking each other verbal.

But back to the main topic.

@888
Thank you for the prompt response and the contact address of Mr. Wong.
When will the 300W Version be ready and working? Do you already have a working prototype?
1. Dr.Wang: a typo? I guess you meant Dr. Wong.
2. Is there a way to get in contact to Mr. Alan Li?
3. Bought Mr. Li a device in order to produce own devices? If so, have you information's about when they hit the market?

About the Bedini Kits sold via http://www.potentialtec.com. I don´t know if i got that information right, but the Bedini device cannot charge the second battery to a 100%. So it just helps to use the battery energy in a more efficient way. So not really OU.
the reason i picked on chrisc is because that's all he does to larry on this thread. if he can dish it out, he should be able to take it, and if you had bothered to start at the beginning instead of at the end you would know exactly what chrisc's purpose and what his modus operandi is. you would realize that chrisc talks out of his anus as much as he accuses larry of doing the same. he has claimed to be a web dev but has no clue about code. he claims to be an EE but has previously admitted to not having a soldering iron. ask him to build you a simple circuit and demonstrate it... yet, he wants you to believe that he is omnipotent and knows what is impossible. ::)

thanks for keeping it on topic, i do suggest you start from the beginning though... you might find it enlightening to learn about the repeat players in this thread. in fact why dont you click on my first reply to chrisc and the merry gang of juveniles and find out what exactly brought me to this thread? here is the link... http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2794.msg95343#msg95343

jisatsy

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #5288 on: February 11, 2010, 01:23:22 PM »
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thanks for keeping it on topic, i do suggest you start from the beginning though...
I guess your right. But 350+ pages.....so much to read and so little time.
But if I want to participate in that discussion, it´s just fair if i know the whole thread.
So i will read the whole thread first and come back in this discussion when it´m done.

utilitarian

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #5289 on: February 11, 2010, 03:28:20 PM »
I  your right. But 350+ pages.....so much to read and so little time.
But if I want to participate in that discussion, it´s just fair if i know the whole thread.
So i will read the whole thread first and come back in this discussion when it´m done.

When I read it from the beginning, it seemed that basically tinu debunked the lead out theory within the first few pages.  Tseung never really had an answer for his criticisms.  I am referring to the pendulum theory.  The one thing that really rings home for me is that Tseung does not measure the force of the bob properly, since the bob is in motion.  Also, the entire calculation of vertical energy and horizontal energy is completely wrong.  That pendulum theory is the foundation for everything else Tseung talks about, and he never even bothers set that straight in light of some very accurate criticism.

This thread is now basically a troll thread.  Tseung is not having a serious discussion with anyone except his other personas.  Well, Paul-R occasionally says something.  There may be another person here or there that comes and says something non-negative, but mostly it's just people who do not take him seriously at all.  Even Wilby is not really a supporter of Tseung's theory, he just trolls the rest of us trolls.

But the thread deserves to be trolled.  It's comical, and he is asking for money, so he deserves what he gets.

Compare this to the Steorn thread, where people are doing replications.  To my recollection, no one has ever bothered to replicate a single thing Tseung has done, at least not enough to bother reporting on it.  But hey, maybe you can be the first.  Maybe you can try the wheel with tubes and sliding balls!  Or the upside down four-legged stool.  Or try swinging the bottle on a rope.   Weeeeee!

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #5290 on: February 11, 2010, 03:48:47 PM »
Well, Paul-R occasionally says something.  There may be another person here...
Utilitarian:
You are such a darling. To credit me with existance shows generosity beyond measurement.

Lawrence:
Do you remember when you said that removing the coils' cores improved performance? I wonder if the speed of the wheel was not allowing time for the coils to charge and then discharge. Without the cores, the times will be quicker.
       It might be interesting to force a slower speed on the wheel by loading it either with a prony brake or electrical generating coils. Then put a scope on a coil and see if it is charging fully and discharging fully.

mscoffman

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #5291 on: February 11, 2010, 08:01:38 PM »
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References for 60CM Tong Wheel:

This unit has 16 magnets, 1 of the 16 magnets is passing the sensor, 10 of
the 16 magnets are passing drive coils (connected in parallel), and 5 of the
magnets are passing generator coils (connected in series).  This is the tuned
configuration. Wheel is tuned by DPDT switches one for each coil.

The input is around 1.8 Watts DC, and the output after rectification is
around 2.3 Watts DC reportedly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbByrRpqBFM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei06JKJuC_8

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter2.pdf
…pages 53 through 56

:S:MarkSCoffman

ltseung888

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #5292 on: February 12, 2010, 02:07:34 AM »
From Mr. W.P.  Fung

Mr. Fung was the former General Manager of Kodak, China.  He had a Chemical Engineering degree, worked as a chemical engineer for 20 years and joined the management ranks of Kodak in USA.  He was sent to China to set up the production facilities there.  He is now retired.

He learned about the Pulled Pendulum theory two years ago.  In his words: “The mathematics of the pulled pendulum is so simple that any secondary physics school student can understand.  It is basically the application of the Law of Parallelogram of Forces with a supplied horizontal force.  The horizontal work is equal to the horizontal force times the horizontal displacement.  The vertical work is equal to the vertical force times the vertical displacement.  Any competent physics student can do that calculation.

The question in my mind was – what takes it so long for someone to discover and disclose this to the World?  Lee Cheung Kin and Lawrence Tseung disclosed that formally in 2004 in their PCT patent applications.  So long as there is tension on the string, gravitational energy can be lead out.  The lead-out gravitational energy is equal to the vertical component of the tension of the string times the vertical displacement.

I did the calculation myself and indeed the ratio of the vertical energy over the horizontal energy is approximately 1 to 2 for a pendulum weighing 60 units and a horizontal force of 10 units.”

He discussed this with many engineers and academic professors.  His feedback: “Some professors agreed with the mathematics privately but they could not risk their academic careers in supporting it.  In the present scientific world, if you mention that you support overunity devices, you will be labeled as a crackpot! ”

Tseung: “Are you willing to openly support the Lead-Out Energy theory yourself?”

Fung: “Yes.  You have the Tong Wheel.  I tested it myself.  When a theory is supported by actual experiments, the proper scientific attitude is to double and triple check everything.  I am now prepared to spend more of my retirement years on this exciting project.  People can email me at wpfung@yahoo.com for more information.  I also agree to have my picture displayed on the Internet.”

Tseung: “Do you think that our open invitation for people to test the Tong Wheel in Hong Kong will change the mind of the general science community?”

Fung: “Yes.  Any one raising objections can go and test the device.  You probably also noted that most members who posted negative comments on the overunity forum do not have the proper scientific qualifications.  I am sure that the Tong Wheel and its improved versions will be properly, scientifically verified.  If an educational kit similar to the Bedini 10 Coil were available, thousands of Universities and Research Establishments will confirm the Pulled Pendulum or the Lee-Tseung Lead-Out Energy theory Worldwide.  Scientific fact is scientific fact.  The Earth is round no matter what the Popes said.  The established scientific community will bow to scientific facts soon.”
« Last Edit: February 12, 2010, 03:44:41 AM by ltseung888 »

ltseung888

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #5293 on: February 12, 2010, 03:41:19 AM »
The Next Open Demonstration of the Tong Wheel

The next Open Demonstration of the Tong Wheel is planned on May 14-17 at the Inventor Show at the Shenzhen Convention Center.  Some early information is available at http://www.cnci.gov.cn.  The show will be sponsored by the City Government of Shenzhen.

We plan to exhibit an improved Tong Wheel.  In other words, a totally new Tong Wheel will be built for this show.  We have three months to add new functionality and features.  The chance of it much better than the existing Tong Wheel is excellent.

We shall leave the existing Tong Wheel unmodified and available for testing by any qualified scientist.  The scientist or engineer is welcome to bring his own tools for the testing.  Email ltseung@hotmail.com or call Lawrence Tseung directly if you are in Hong Kong (9281 9945).  We shall post your pictures and your test results on the Internet.  You are welcome to publish your independent reports.

Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited

ltseung888

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #5294 on: February 12, 2010, 10:46:08 AM »
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References for 60CM A Wheel:

This unit has 16 magnets, 1 of the 16 magnets is passing the sensor, 10 of
the 16 magnets are passing drive coils (connected in parallel), and 5 of the
magnets are passing generator coils (connected in series).  This is the tuned
configuration. Wheel is tuned by DPDT switches one for each coil.

The input is around 1.8 Watts DC, and the output after rectification is
around 2.3 Watts DC reportedly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbByrRpqBFM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei06JKJuC_8

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter2.pdf
…pages 53 through 56

:S:MarkSCoffman

The videos were taken by Rasa and posted by zeropoint Institute.  This is one independent verification by an American who took the trouble to go to Hong Kong and actually tested the device.