@happyfunball

Just a gentle reminder for the naive sheep that follows con man and snake oil vendors. These people often leave a legacy of promises of great cures and major scientific discoveries but eventually end up asking for money!

cheers
chrisC

That's why he needs to get inexpensive prototypes into the hands of
random folks competent to evaluate it...then things go out of control
...to sucess, and he gets the credit...Only then does he win.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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150.000HK$ = 14110 € or 19302 US$ for a working device + 1 week course.
It´s not that expensive if you think about that a 1 week manager seminar can cost up to 50.000€ and more.
But i don´t represent a company, so 15k € is too much for me as a private A.
Is there a way to get a educational device for less if you don´t have to give that 1 week course?
Also, can you give a money back guarantee that if that device don´t work as promised (no OU effect) you will give the money (all of it) back?
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The course starts with us supplying a working unit.  The customer company can first evaulate the working unit before signing for the course.  DO NOT PAY A SINGLE CENT if the working unit does not pass the inspection of the company experts.

There is no money back guarantee - it is impossible to provide money back after a 5 day course.  We cannot afford to have debunkers deliberately destroying and wasting our limited resources.

Dang! I knew it! No money back ...... hahaha. That sums it up.

cheers
chrisC

Not so fast Chris. To be fair: He offers that the company can check the device first and then pay.
I don´t think that it is nessesary a scam, just because they don´t offer a money back warrenty.

Imagen they would give out units with a money back warrenty. How many of you would buy one, study it, and send it back? I would. And i guess many companys would also do it.

@888 Where in China are you guys located? Is there a possibility to visit you and test the device (for free) at a randomly choosen place (to prevent fraud by hidden devices).

Not so fast Chris. To be fair: He offers that the company can check the device first and then pay.
I don´t think that it is nessesary a scam,  because they don´t offer a money back warrenty.

Imagen they would give out units with a money back warrenty. How many of you would buy one, study it, and send it back? I would. And i guess many companys would also do it.

@888 Where in China are you guys located? Is there a possibility to visit you and test the device (for free) at a randomly choosen place (to prevent fraud by hidden devices).

First of all, you can't really test the device properly.  The device is not see-through, so there could be a hidden energy source.

Tseung keeps talking about independent university validations, but that's all it is, talk.  His idea of validation is getting someone to stand next to the device and taking a photograph.  What happened to Tsing Hua University?

And lastly, doesn't it bother you in the slightest that he was giving the same pitch 3 years ago?  Same story - there is a device and its undergoing certification and if you pay some money (it was a million dollars back then) you can come and check out the device.

My question is, if there was a device 3 years ago, what happened to that device?  Is it used in any production setting to generate power?  If not, why not, and why should this time be any different?

@utilitarian & A: Thanks for this information. I didn´t knew much about the history of that device/group.

But I think a claim so important (solve the energy crisis by opensource such a device) needs some attention and serious verification. So i will pose my question again, but a bit modified.

@888 Is there a way to test your device in a randomly choosen place with you approval do X-Ray/disassamble it?
Could you please give me the address of the company which bought a educational device?

The wheel is now being evaluated and improved at the Office of the Chairman of the Institute of Energy of Hong Kong.  The full information is as follows:

Dr. James Wong
Allied Environmental Consultants Limited
19th floor, Kwan Chart Tower
6 Tonnochy Road
Wanchai,
Hong Kong.

Dr. Wang helped us to sell the first prototype unit to a factory owner, Mr. Alan Li.  The website of the Institute of Energy of Hong Kong is IOE.HK.  Dr. Wong is also trying to help us find other manufacturers to mass produce Educational Prototypes.  The existing Tong wheel that can only generate a few watts is NOT appealing to most manufacturers.  They prefer to wait for the 300 watt unit.

However, you are welcome to email and come to the above address with your own engineers and test equipment to check out the Tong wheel.  The Tong Wheel was constructed for demonstration purposes and by removing three screws, all wires, components etc. can be seen and videotaped.  There is no need to X-ray anything.  You are welcome to bring reporters and top academics too.  Let them publish indedpendent reports.

There are a number of people on my ignore list - they are welcome to make noises and insults.  That attracts the crowd.  You may choose to believe them or believe a working device. 

ITSEUNG888,

Please consider posting a Schematic and a wiring DIAGRAM...

For an engineering sketch, see post #5250 on the previous page.

@ Chris,
I have to concur with your thoughts exactly (scary for you) re all the OU technologies.
....
, they may stumble upon some anomalies but their inability to have independent testing by qualified people will continue to be a joke.
I am definitely on my way to the USA Chris in the next couple of weeks...would be good to catch up for a coffee. Will know my travel plans soon
Mark

@MarkD

Great to hear from you and you're dead right on these people who seemed to stumble upon 'anomalies' but still can't explain what is involved and worst still, can't light up a flashlight and can't recharge the batteries either! Until then this is a drawn out comedy show!

btw, if you're coming to the SF Bay area, please let me know by PM. Love to buy you lunch or dinner.

cheers

ChrisC

The explanation from the Bedini Website http://johnbedini.net:

On this slide, we show a theoretical scheme which several researchers have discovered and used to build simple free energy motors.
In this scheme, we drive an ordinary d.c. series motor by a two wire system from an ordinary battery. The motor produces shaft horsepower, at -- say -- some 30 or 40 percent efficiency, compared to the power drained from the battery. This much of the circuit is perfectly ordinary.
The trick here is to get the battery to recharge itself, without furnishing normal power to it, or expending work from the external circuit in the process.
To do this, recall that a charged particle in a "hooking" del-phi river moves itself. This is true for an ion, as well as for an electron. We need only make the del-phi in correct fashion and synchronize it; specifically, we must not release the hose nozzles we utilize to produce our del-phi river or waves.


The inventors who have discovered this have used various variations, but here we show a common one.
First, we add an "energizer" (often referred to by various other names) to the circuit. This device makes the del-phi waves we will utilize, but does NOT make currents of electron masses. In other words, it makes pure Ø-dot. It takes a little work to do this, for the energizer circuit must pump a few charges now and then. So the energizer draws a little bit of power from the motor, but not very much.
Now we add a switching device, called a controller, which breaks up power to the motor in pulses. During one pulse, the battery is connected and furnishes power to the motor; during the succeeding pulse, the battery is disconnected completely from the motor and the output from the energizer is applied across the terminals of the battery.
If frequency content, spin-hole content, etc. are properly constructed by the energizer, then the ion movements in the battery reverse themselves, recharging the battery. Again, remember that these ions MOVE THEMSELVES during this recharge phase. Specifically, we are NOT furnishing ordinary current to the battery, and we are not doing work on it from the energizer.
If things are built properly, the battery can be made to more than recover its charge during this pulse cycle.
To prevent excess charge of the battery and overheating and destroying it, a sensor is added which senses the state of charge of the battery, and furnishes a feedback signal to the controller to regulate the length of recharge time per "power off" pulse. In other words, the system is now self-regulating.


The relation between power pulses and recharge pulses is shown on the graphs at the bottom. Note that regulation may decrease the time of recharge application of the del-phi river.
This system, if properly built and tuned, will furnish "free shaft energy" continually, without violating conservation of anenergy. Remember that the del-phi condition across the battery terminals means that spacetime is suddenly curved there, and conservation of energy need no longer apply.
Again, this system is consistent with general relativity and with the fact that Ø-field alone can drive a situation relativistic. We have deliberately used these facts to do direct engineering. Our "extra energy" comes from shifting phi-flux -- the energy of the universal vacuum spacetime -- directly into ordinary energy for our use. Thus we draw on an inexhaustible source, and our device is no more esoteric than a paddlewheel in a river. The only difference is that, in this case, we have to be clever enough to make and divert the river in the right timing sequency.
This is a free energy device which an ordinary person, who knows a little electronics, can experiment with in the basement. To develop it, one is talking several thousands of dollars and a lot of persistence and tinkering; one is not talking millions.

Should be interesting to explain the operation of this 10 Coil battery charger from the Lead-Out Energy Theory.