G'day Lawrence,

Which one of your spring scales provides the Lee-Tseung Pull and where is the surplus energy?

Hans von Lieven 

Dear Hans,

You probably missed the last 200 posts while you were away.  I am reproducing the corrected pendulum08.jpg for you.

In this pendulum08.jpg, we placed the board vertical. We replaced one of the Scales with the 60-unit weight.  The Physics still applies.  The Lee-Tseung Pull is applied via Scale B. The Bob is moved from Position A to Position B.

If we assume that the string and the scales as inextensible, the displacement of the knot will be the same as that of the Bob.

I shall talk about different ways of moving the bob (or the knot) from Position A to Position B.  The analogy is ?going from Street One to Street Ten on a hill?.  One can go by car, by bus, by bicycle or on foot.  One can move in a straight line or take a detoured route.  The work done or energy spent would be different with different scenarios.

The Physics and Mathematics involved in applying different Force Functions and/or Displacement Functions to move the knot from Position A to Position B can be different.  Some will use exactly the external energy  for the move.  Some will use more  (and waste energy).  Some will Lead Out  gravitational energy.

Hopefully, you are one of those who can understand the Parallelogram of Forces and the calculations involved.  Can you follow me so far???

@ Hans:

Maybe Forever can explain it?

Bill

G"day Lawrence alias top gun alias whatever fits.

 

I think your elucidation on lead out energy suffered somewhat in the translation from Chinese into English.

Hans

Hahaha! Good one. That's why this thread will never end!

cheers
chrisC

ps: You've missed the correct answer whilst you were away. Now Lawrence will have to go over 2000 plus posts to educate you in the finer details of 'O' level Physics!  See what've done Hans! Now we have to start the loop again!

Dear Hans,

I hope that you are not distracted by other posts.

Pendulum27.jpg shows an erratic path.  The work done or energy spent can be much higher than the increase in potential energy of the bob.

In the case of the simple pendulum, the path can be restricted by the string to form an arc.  However, the Force F can be in any direction and with any magnitude.  That would affect the work done or energy spent.

Is the explanation clear so far???

Ha ha ha ha!!!! So after hiding for few days, you are now back with same bullshit diagrams and making Hans von as your new customer!!! 
You are presenting same flawed diagrams all over again. Tseung is claiming he is energy expert and good at theory!!    I can't imagine what will happen to you if you really go to America with these diagrams!!  Or will it be just you telling to us that you went to US with Tseung, Forever, friend, devil etc. had a meeting, many "reporters" came and all easily understood the theory and they confirmed you have won the lottery, and you post all the details on the forum?
There are many fantasy places in US any way, you can occupy one.
You still seem to not even opened a real physics book ever!
Hans just don;t reply to those 1000s of obvious mistakes you see in those diagrams. They are from Tseung's fantasy land where he is the king! He finds new customer every day to show his tricks! But they are so bad that he won't even get a penny for all his tricks! he he he

I can suggest Tseung takes Forever to Disneyland. You see, Mickey Mouse is real! So is Donald Duck!
If that's not enough fantasy, there's Michael Jackson's Neverland down the road. Tseung might get some more ideas for his screwed-up Physics, such as these pathetic diagrams that Kul-ash has already easily demonstrated as a bunch of nonsense!

cheers
chrisC

The important point about pendulum27.jpg is that - that are many Force and Displacement Functions that allow the bob or knot to go from Position A to Position B.

So long as these Force and Displacement Functions obey the Laws of physics, they are possible paths.

If the Lee-Tseung Pulls do not violate the Laws of Physics, they are possible paths.  Thus Leading Out energy is definitely possible.

Unless someone can prove that the Lee-Tseung Pulls violate the Laws of Physics, New Energy Machines using Lead Out gravitational or electron motion energy are possible.  There are already over 300 known OU inventions Worldwide.

The Earth is round.  There were some diehards denying that fact for Centuries.

Who cares about insults???  Tseung should thank them for drawing in the crowd.  There are over 75,000 hits on this thread already.

So now the old Tseung is coming out of Top_gun!  You are lifting pendulum yourself and calling it a possible path of lead out gravity 
None of those 300 OU machines are working! They will never
Forget about them, you first fix how you pull that pendulum cause till today you have no clue about it!
Those 74,999 hits are to see how comical you can be and to have a daily dose of laughter! 
So should we call you Galileo junior now?
And yes, I again urge you, please go to high school again and learn basic physics. That is the first step for you 

Dear Hans,

I better state my points before other posts drown the thread

In the first Lee-Tseung Pull, a horizontal force F is applied.  At equilibrium, the following relations hold as demanded by the Law of Parallelogram of Forces.

(1)   T1sin(a) = F    ;so that there is no net force in the horizontal direction
(2)   T1cos(a) = Mg  ;so that there is no net force in the vertical direction

(3) The horizontal work done is F x dX or F x Lsin(a). 
(4) The vertical work done is Mg x dH or Mg x L(1-cos(a))

The value of (3) and (4) are different.  (3) is done by the externally applied horizontal force F.  (4) is done by gravity via the tension of the string.

If the relationship between Mg and T is 6 to 1, the angle a is 9.46 degrees.  The horizontal energy / vertical energy is roughly 2.  This means 2 units of horizontal energy can lead out 1 unit of gravitational energy.

See the previous posts or the presentation slides for the calculation details.