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Author Topic: Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated  (Read 225343 times)

Offline pmgr

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It is an honorable thing to respect Pierre's work from the vantage point of protecting the intellectual property of his generator.  However, the possibility exists in this case that prior art does exist and has been applied for through the US Patent Office.  The application in question is attached below and I would recommend that any interested replicators or otherwise study the claims of this application and also become familiar with the patent term DoE or Doctrine of Equivalents which is used as a main determinate in patent infringement.

It should be noted that as of this date, this application has not been issued as a final patent and this begs the question, why?

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Hi Partzman,

I have research this patent in the past. I believe the patent was abandoned by the author. In fact, if I recall correctly, someone from a forum contacted Molina/Martinez and he said that it wouldn't work when a load was attached. It might even have been Hartberlin who contacted him, not 100% sure.

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I noticed that you are not using D1 anywhere in your code. Can you describe how you are driving your coils.
PmgR


See the sequence's last lines :
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  digitalWrite(8,HIGH),digitalWrite(1,HIGH),digitalWrite(15,HIGH);
  delayMicroseconds(T1);
  digitalWrite(7,LOW),digitalWrite(17,LOW),digitalWrite(18,LOW);
  delayMicroseconds(T2);
  digitalWrite(8,LOW),digitalWrite(1,LOW),digitalWrite(15,LOW);
"

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Look at to visualize the switching sequence:


https://youtu.be/47xF5ed20Eo

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je voit qu'il y a beaucoup de similitude avec Alberto Molina-Martinez qui a dit que la rotation d'un champ magnétique ne générait pas de sure unité et je suis totalement d'accord avec lui ce n'est qu'un aspect je l'avait déjà mentionné antérieurement et j'ignorait que une autre personne avait travailler sur un projet similaire mais forcé de constaté une chose ou il y a eu un échec moi j'ai réussi c'est pour cela qu'il vaut mieux ne pas regarder ce qui a été fait ailleurs pour ne pas être influencer en copient d'autre idée ,j'ai eu et j'ai encore quelque problème mais il faut prendre le temps de s'assoir et de réfléchir a comment résoudre chaque problème c'est comme cela que l'on réussi a fabriquer quelque chose qui fonctionne cesser de vous poser la question du comment et du pourquoi lui ressemble au dz non celle ci pourquoi ne pas vous concentrez a faire quelque chose de constructif mon premier dz générateur a fonctionner parce que je ne me suis fier sur rien a part du principe de base d'un générateur et j'ai réussi a régler chaque problème que j'ai rencontré et il y en a un beaucoup mais a chaque fois j'ai trouver la solution ,quelque fois cela prenait des journées mais il a eu quelque fois que cela a pris des semaines de réflexion pour trouver une solution je ne me suis fier sur rien pour crée le dz  et pour le deuxième prototype  quand il seras terminé et protéger il me feras plaisir de divulguer a toute la planète le fonctionnement du dz générateur et cesser de fabuler sur quoi ressemble le dz il ne sort que de ma tête alors il est impossible qu'une autre personne ait fait la même chose que moi la preuve c'est que le mien a fonctionner.   

En.
I see that there's a lot of similarity with Alberto Molina-Martinez who said that the rotation of a magnetic field would not generate overunity and I totally agree with him, this is only one aspect I had already mentioned previously and I didn't know another person had work on a similar project but forced to admit failure which I managed to achieve. Which is why it's better not to look at what has been done elsewhere so not to be influenced by copying other ideas. I got it but still have some problems. You have to take the time to sit down and think about how to solve each problem, this is how we managed to make something to work. Stop asking questions of how and why does it look like the dz generator. Why not concentrate on doing something constructive. My first dz generator worked because I did not rely on anything other then the basic principle of a generator and I managed to solve each problem I encounter and there were a lot but each time I found a solution. Sometimes it took days and sometimes it took weeks of thinking to find the solution. I did not rely on anything to create the dz generator. When my second prototype is finished and protected, I'll be pleased to disclose to the whole world how it operates. Stop fabulating on what the dz looks like. It comes from my mind, so it's impossible that another person has done the same thing as me. The proof is mine worked.
« Last Edit: May 28, 2018, 04:32:16 AM by gotoluc »

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The application in question is attached below and I would recommend that any interested replicators or otherwise study the claims of this application and also become familiar
This patent application proposes rotating magnetic field around inducing coils axis and that is main reason why there is just transformer action going on. The magnetic field have to move in 3D space like a moving magnet in order to make generator.

Hopefully this clarify difference.

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Offline TinselKoala

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je voit qu'il y a beaucoup de similitude avec Alberto Molina-Martinez qui a dit que la rotation d'un champ magnétique ne générait pas de sure unité et je suis totalement d'accord avec lui ce n'est qu'un aspect je l'avait déjà mentionné antérieurement et j'ignorait que une autre personne avait travailler sur un projet similaire mais forcé de constaté une chose ou il y a eu un échec moi j'ai réussi c'est pour cela qu'il vaut mieux ne pas regarder ce qui a été fait ailleurs pour ne pas être influencer en copient d'autre idée ,j'ai eu et j'ai encore quelque problème mais il faut prendre le temps de s'assoir et de réfléchir a comment résoudre chaque problème c'est comme cela que l'on réussi a fabriquer quelque chose qui fonctionne cesser de vous poser la question du comment et du pourquoi lui ressemble au dz non celle ci pourquoi ne pas vous concentrez a faire quelque chose de constructif mon premier dz générateur a fonctionner parce que je ne me suis fier sur rien a part du principe de base d'un générateur et j'ai réussi a régler chaque problème que j'ai rencontré et il y en a un beaucoup mais a chaque fois j'ai trouver la solution ,quelque fois cela prenait des journées mais il a eu quelque fois que cela a pris des semaines de réflexion pour trouver une solution je ne me suis fier sur rien pour crée le dz  et pour le deuxième prototype  quand il seras terminé et protéger il me feras plaisir de divulguer a toute la planète le fonctionnement du dz générateur et cesser de fabuler sur quoi ressemble le dz il ne sort que de ma tête alors il est impossible qu'une autre personne ait fait la même chose que moi la preuve c'est que le mien a fonctionner.   

En.
I see that there's a lot of similarity with Alberto Molina-Martinez who said that the rotation of a magnetic field would not generate overunity and I totally agree with him, this is only one aspect I had already mentioned previously and I didn't know another person had work on a similar project but forced to admit failure which I managed to achieve. Which is why it's better not to look at what has been done elsewhere so not to be influenced by copying other ideas. I got it but still have some problems. You have to take the time to sit down and think about how to solve each problem, this is how we managed to make something to work. Stop asking questions of how and why does it look like the dz generator. Why not concentrate on doing something constructive. My first dz generator worked because I did not rely on anything other then the basic principle of a generator and I managed to solve each problem I encounter and there were a lot but each time I found a solution. Sometimes it took days and sometimes it took weeks of thinking to find the solution. I did not rely on anything to create the dz generator. When my second prototype is finished and protected, I'll be pleased to disclose to the whole world how it operates. Stop fabulating on what the dz looks like. It comes from my mind, so it's impossible that another person has done the same thing as me. The proof is mine worked.
I have some friends who operate a world-class scientific laboratory dedicated to researching this kind of systems. They are in the Toronto area and would be more than happy to spend an afternoon in your laboratory so you can demonstrate your apparatus running itself and a microwave oven without any external power input once it is started.  Let me know when it is convenient for you and I'll arrange the meeting.  My friends are well known in this research area for over 20 years, they will sign strong NDAs and assure your intellectual property is fully protected... and they speak French. They _could_ also be a great source of funding and laboratory assistance... if you can show them something interesting.






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My friends are well known in this research area for over 20 years, they will sign strong NDAs and assure your intellectual property is fully protected... and they speak French.
As a side note - the NDAs and greed for money after inventors make something is what is keeping our world under unity for more than hundred years...

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This patent application proposes rotating magnetic field around inducing coils axis and that is main reason why there is just transformer action going on. The magnetic field have to move in 3D space like a moving magnet in order to make generator.

Hopefully this clarify difference.

Cheers!
T-1000
Can you enlighten us about the 3D space movement? Pierre's setup is a 2D setup only. There is no variation along the Z-axis (which would be going from the front of the stator to the back of the stator; just a finite size). As such the magnetic field moves in X/Y only.
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I have some friends who operate a world-class scientific laboratory dedicated to researching this kind of systems. They are in the Toronto area and would be more than happy to spend an afternoon in your laboratory so you can demonstrate your apparatus running itself and a microwave oven without any external power input once it is started.  Let me know when it is convenient for you and I'll arrange the meeting.  My friends are well known in this research area for over 20 years, they will sign strong NDAs and assure your intellectual property is fully protected... and they speak French. They _could_ also be a great source of funding and laboratory assistance... if you can show them something interesting.
Thanks for the offer TK but unfortunately Pierre has no working device to demonstrate at this time. After the video demos were made the relays were getting worse and then started to fuse together and all the wiring switching side caught on fire. All that remains is the stator and even the rotor core Pierre reused the wire for his second build attempt. I say attempt because after he had wound half of it he realized it would not work well in that different winding configuration. Pierre told me he is not interested in rebuilding the first prototype. He only wants to use his limited time and work at his pace (without pressure from us) to make an improved version. I know this because I made the suggestion I could rebuild his first prototype (under NDA) to help expedite a 3rd party evaluation. He got frustrated and said he is not in any hurry and doesn't want to pushed or under pressure to provide. It will be done at his pace and I can tell you from the changes he shared that may only be around December.I know this goes against the appropriate protocols of not changing something that works but it's not up to us.
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Luc

Fr. Merci pour l'offre TK mais malheureusement, Pierre n'a plus de dispositif fonctionnel à démontrer en ce moment. Après les démonstrations vidéo, les relais se sont dégradés, puis ont commencé à fusionner et tous les commutateurs de câblage ont pris feu. Tout ce qui reste est le stator et même le noyau du rotor Pierre a réutilisé le fil pour sa deuxième tentative de construction. Je dis tentative parce que, après en avoir enroulé la moitié, il s'est rendu compte que cela ne fonctionnerait pas bien dans cette configuration d'enroulement différente.
Pierre m'a dit qu'il n'était pas intéressé a reconstruire le premier prototype. Il veut seulement utiliser son temps (limité) et travailler à son rythme (sans pression de notre part) pour faire une version améliorée.
Je le sais parce que j'ai fait la suggestion que je pourrais reconstruire son premier prototype (sous NDA) pour aider à accélérer une évaluation par un tiers. Il a été frustré et a dit qu'il n'était pas pressé et ne voulait pas pousser ou sous pression pour fournir. Cela se fera à son rythme et je peux vous dire, d'après les changements qu'il a partagés, que cela ne se fera pas avant décembre.
Je sais que cela va à l'encontre des protocoles appropriés de ne pas changer quelque chose qui fonctionne mais ce n'est pas à nous de decider.
Cordialement
Luc

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Can you enlighten us about the 3D space movement? Pierre's setup is a 2D setup only. There is no variation along the Z-axis (which would be going from the front of the stator to the back of the stator; just a finite size). As such the magnetic field moves in X/Y only.
PmgR
There is no short answer and it would not fit into this thread as it is dedicated for Pierre's contraption.
I will just point out some general direction which is very related to what is happening with magnetic forces with paralel magnets and magnetic pole switching of permanent magnets. Please see Howard Johnson magnetic motor research and patents in order to gain more insight. When 3 magnetic poles come into action to each other the resulting forces are in 3D vectors and it is possible to change 3D position of the center of resulting magnetic pole.

Hopefully that helps.

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There is no short answer and it would not fit into this thread as it is dedicated for Pierre's contraption.
I will just point out some general direction which is very related to what is happening with magnetic forces with paralel magnets and magnetic pole switching of permanent magnets. Please see Howard Johnson magnetic motor research and patents in order to gain more insight. When 3 magnetic poles come into action to each other the resulting forces are in 3D vectors and it is possible to change 3D position of the center of resulting magnetic pole.

Hopefully that helps.
Maybe part of the phenomenon Science is now recognizing which d3x0r posted and Pierre replied right after? https://overunity.com/17653/pierres-170w-in-1600w-out-looped-very-impressive-build-continued-moderated/msg521079/#msg521079

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6fe6yiUTRY near earth magnetic re-connections...

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Offline T-1000

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Are you sure it's not just simple physics doing that?
I would not go lots into conspiracy theories but there are much suppression and many inventors deaths right before they wanted to present free energy devices to the world.
If you do your reseach on each invention history you will see lots of "accident" / "natural death causes" / "suicide" repeating stories all over there...

P.S> Sorry if that deviates from the thread topic. "Red pill" was just given to TK.

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Once upon a time there was a baker that was accused to had sold bread with bugs within it. He was standing in front of the judge and the judge asked him if he admitted to have baked bread with bugs within it and pointed at the evidence objects in front of the baker. Some brownish bugs from his bread.
 No no said the baker you're wrong Sir, these are only raisins. Took the bugs and put them in his mouth and swallowed them. Thereby was the evidence objects gone.
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And you can moderate me all you like, Luc, removing my posts and censoring me on this OPEN SOURCE forum, but it won't change the FACTS, and in December, or next December, you STILL won't have a self running, microwave oven powering, 170w in, 1600w out Looped device. You will, however, have lots of very expensive doorstops. Mark my words....and be sure to tell L. what I'm saying about this system.
There's a good chance you're right TK but what if this one is different from the 99 previous claims that didn't pan out? ... we'll never know if we don't try. And yes, L is quite aware of the situation.
I know your flame has been extinguished of the possibility of OU over the decades you been in research but this forum exists for those who still have hope.
At this point in your life I would suggest it's unhealthy for you to participate if it only stirs up frustration. We should only participate in what brings us joy.
Let it go for health sake, as this forum is going to be around for many years to come and it's main theme is search of OU. I respect you, your knowledge and experience. Rare are those to achieve your level. However, I committed to moderating the topic by keeping the post supportive to the goal and will continue to do so.
Respectfully
Luc

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This is the prototype that was shown "running itself" and also "powering a microwave oven"?
So... what is the moral position of someone who has built and demonstrated an ACTUAL FREE ENERGY OVERUNITY DEVICE that could, IF TRUE, save the world from a whole lot of ills, but doesn't want to repair it because... he's just too busy?
Yes, it's the same prototype. I know, it doesn't look good but everyone has free will and make choices based on their needs. It could of been worse, he may of never bothered making video demos and just kept it to himself. From all the work I put into this device so far I can tell you I've found no reason to doubt this cannot be a working device. The more we look into it the more we find.
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Luc

 

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