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Author Topic: Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated  (Read 228656 times)

Offline konehead

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Hi Ole
I like reading the W.O.Smith writings especially understanding nothingness and the quadrature concepts.  It is hard to grasp but fun to think over after absorbing the ideas in printed words.


Making all those overlapping windings combine and cohere into amplified and overunity energy is probably what it is all about...
Perhaps making short list what will prevent coherence of the fields and rectify those problems would be good troubleshoot process for Luc and others working on this


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Hi Luc
Am thinking why 10% recovery at slow speeds
And 80% at very high speeds?
Probably because of difference in pulse width?
If there is no  pulse width adjust to compensate for different frequncies,
Pulse width will be too fat at slow speeds and core and coil will over-saturate and backspike/flyback/backemf energy will be cntained witbin d and trapped within coil and core's  over-saturation period for that measly 10% return of energy you see.
However at high frequencies now the pulse becomes just right for good return energy of 80%
Combining and making induced generated energy with flyback  energy also perhaps will "cohere" using  short pulse width
perhaps this one of secrets
I dont know but nothing will get through (or out) when everything over saturated.
Perhaps chop pulse going into inductor at the perfect pulse width so instead of one long 1ms pulse instead give .1ms pulse width five times with .1ms off time between too for total of 1ms pulse period this just example but idea here is first find best pulse width for inductor and voltage and current input for best recovery
Then go from there


Yes, you are correct to a point except this is not the final secret.  I've placed duty cycle in the code to fully understand. :)  Luc has full understanding of this  We have overlap and hold control as the field rotates.   This was interesting at first to see and understand, but this is not the secret unfortunately.  Its a simple tuning factor or tweak that may be helpful later on.  This helps, but not enough.  You see Pierre wanted to have regulated input power, there is a reason for this.  As you build this device it reveals clues.  We can clearly see a systematic issue at each point we learn something.  Once you are presented with the problem..you know were to go from there.


For those still learning, review my posts on full bridge mode control.  This is still not enough but will certianly help, you'll see why when you do this method.  Currently we don't have enough pin outs on the MCU to control this and only using half bridge mode.  I have logic gates ordered and should be in any day to complete full bridge mode.  Otherwise, you will easily run out of pins on your MCU, and I'm postive we don't need to go to shift registers to get more outputs. 

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When making generator you move magnetic field across generator windings. This is constant field moving through windings. In Solid State Alternator (SSA - I call it) you move magnetic field by multiple overlapping windings arrangement. So please forget BEMF recovery/pulsing/etc for a moment and focus on making same magnetic field movement for induction. And do not overthink it because Faraday's law of induction is simple as that.

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What does the armature output windings do in a NORMAL A/C or DC generator while the fields are cut?
If the field is cut, i.e. no flux then perhaps the armature is then a reactive load.

Pierre is utilizing this effect, while ALL ENGINEERS ARE TRYING TO REMOVE IT in the mechanical version!!!  Find what engineers are trying to remove...and then you'll see why Pierre's device works.
Perhaps you are referring to armature reaction and cross magnetizing effect? But this will not occur if the field is cut. It will occur however when the flux is cut.


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When making generator you move magnetic field across generator windings. This is constant field moving through windings. In Solid State Alternator (SSA - I call it) you move magnetic field by multiple overlapping windings arrangement. So please forget BEMF recovery/pulsing/etc for a moment and focus on making same magnetic field movement for induction. And do not overthink it because Faraday's law of induction is simple as that.


AMEN!!!! 110% agree!!!

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AMEN!!!! 110% agree!!!


I thought we previously agreed that what we see with the moving stepped waveform is flux linkage as in a transformer. Obviously not the same as flux cutting with a flux moving in space. So this has always been the question how do you simulate the quantum effect of a flux moving in space?


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So this has always been the question how do you simulate the quantum effect of a flux moving in space?
The answer is in moving magnet case. The 3D position of N/S polarities are changing while the constant strength of magnetic field is maintained inside of the magnet.
In transformer we alter magnetic field strength inside of the magnet and the 3D position of N/S poles are not changing.
By making overlapping windings and overlapping switch-on/switch-off delays in those coils we are making N/S poles 3D position change while magnetic field strength of mutual virtual magnet is not changing. The rest is same as with moving magnet case.

P.S> If you have offline copy of first Pierre's video please see how magnet moves inside his alternator with frame-by-frame sequence.

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The answer is in moving magnet case. The 3D position of N/S polarities are changing while the constant strength of magnetic field is maintained inside of the magnet.
In transformer we alter magnetic field strength inside of the magnet and the 3D position of N/S poles are not changing.
By making overlapping windings and overlapping switch-on/switch-off delays in those coils we are making N/S poles 3D position change while magnetic field strength of mutual virtual magnet is not changing. The rest is same as with moving magnet case.

P.S> If you have offline copy of first Pierre's video please see how magnet moves inside his alternator with frame-by-frame sequence.




The field is a series discrete fields arriving at slightly different angles to the rotor however, this is not a contiguous flux moving in 3D space. Physically it will drag a magnet around by virtue of the change in the flux level i.e. the stepped waveform. The rotor sees a change in polarity and also flux strength changes. For the short run I had with the bridge boards I had substantial rotor output current that was lighting a 60 W bulb so there was flux change however, the device performed like loose coupled transformer.

Referring back to a previous post...
There is nothing special about the overlapping windings they just produce a stepped flux increasing and decreasing in amplitude and alternately changing polarity. The six coils examined as one set of coils on the stator just add their fields where they physically overlap. You can verify this with a flux probe which I have done.

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The field is a series discrete fields arriving at slightly different angles to the rotor however, this is not a contiguous flux moving in 3D space. Physically it will drag a magnet around by virtue of the change in the flux level i.e. the stepped waveform. The rotor sees a change in polarity and also flux strength changes. For the short run I had with the bridge boards I had substantial rotor output current that was lighting a 60 W bulb so there was flux change however, the device performed like loose coupled transformer.

Referring back to a previous post...
There is nothing special about the overlapping windings they just produce a stepped flux increasing and decreasing in amplitude and alternately changing polarity. The six coils examined as one set of coils on the stator just add their fields where they physically overlap. You can verify this with a flux probe which I have done.

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L192

Hi L192,

If there's nothing special about the way the fields are generated then do you think that a standard 3-phased stator with suitable 3 phased current will give overunity too as claimed in the Molina-Martinez and Hyun Chung patent applications? This would make it possible to make a self-runner by using a three phased frequency converter which are off shelve devices.

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The six coils examined as one set of coils on the stator just add their fields where they physically overlap. You can verify this with a flux probe which I have done.
Are you sure the fields are just added and not actually becoming coherent. If coherent the field strength is more than added. Then the currents are squared after the addition while as single fields they are squared before the addition. This gives big difference in field strength and is the key to extracting energy form the cosmic background according to W.B. Smith.

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Hi L192,

If there's nothing special about the way the fields are generated then do you think that a standard 3-phased stator with suitable 3 phased current will give overunity too as claimed in the Molina-Martinez and Hyun Chung patent applications? This would make it possible to make a self-runner by using a three phased frequency converter which are off shelve devices.
Are you sure the fields are just added and not actually becoming coherent. If coherent the field strength is more than added. Then the currents are squared after the addition while as single fields they are squared before the addition. This gives big difference in field strength and is the key to extracting energy form the cosmic background according to W.B. Smith.

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Ole


Sorry this is nonsense. If it were true, you would see the same behaviour in the distributed windings of induction motors, which you don’t. If you complete a build yourself and make measurements with a flux probe you will see they just add. The Hyun Chung transformer works on the principle off induction due to the travelling wave and induction due to the pulsating component from the 3 phases.Read the patent again.


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These new 40 Amp 28 Volt switches are so robust that I can feed in power to the the point the stator windings will catch on fire. I tested just to see how far I can push it (as is) at 28 volts and the coils could only handle 20 Amps of the 40 Amps maximum. I could not go below 92Hz, anything lower I would have to reduce the voltage or it would burn the coils.
During the test the output was loaded with a 100 Ohm resistor which reached 23.7 Volts RMS = 5.6 Watts which has zero effect back to the input loaded or not.

Link to video demo: https://youtu.be/3mea6Dwh4p8

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Hi Luc and everyone
Had thought the locked rotor winds does not just become induced from the  crawling motion of rotating stator field and make power out to load
But this locked rotor field will have 2nd purpose to induce itself right back into the overlapping stator field winds that are not beeing pulsed
Then this power created coming back into the stator winds shoves itself through the recovery diodes and into cap bank reinforcing filling of cap bank.
I would think this is already happening  but maybe not to the degree it should for looped operation perhaps experiment with pulse width and frequencies of rotation and somehow measure what does actually return to unpulsed stator winds coming back from locked rotor see.if way to increase this

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Hi L192
If 3ph a.c. induction motor is in rotovertor mode with only two of three phases connected to a.c. input, the third virtual/ rotating transformer phase will show.in best case I have seen 5 times the input current circulating and near same voltage as compared to input currents and voltage
Of course this greater currents circulating not under load but using series transformer to extract to load overunity x 1.618 can happen believe it or not doesnt matter but what I am getting at is those unpulsed un-connected to a.c. Iinput 3rd virtual phase winds in rotovertor does perhaps do something as Ole theorizes along with W Smith and perhaps this is similar to my dumb  idea of unpulsed stator winds in Pierre generator sucking back power from induced locked rotor into unpulsed overlapped stator winding.
Maybe "coherent" if backemf forces in just-pulsed stator winds overlap in same direction of flow as locked rotor field "returned" energy ...such as 5 degree delay like echo as example.
Don't want to make big thing or argument as I might be way off base easy to throw out my idea but might be something important to ponder what Ole and W Smith are getting at don't dismiss so fast

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Hi L192
If 3ph a.c. induction motor is in rotovertor mode with only two of three phases connected to a.c. input, the third virtual/ rotating transformer phase will show.in best case I have seen 5 times the input current circulating and near same voltage as compared to input currents and voltage
Of course this greater currents circulating not under load but using series transformer to extract to load overunity x 1.618 can happen believe it or not doesnt matter but what I am getting at is those unpulsed un-connected to a.c. Iinput 3rd virtual phase winds in rotovertor does perhaps do something as Ole theorizes along with W Smith and perhaps this is similar to my dumb  idea of unpulsed stator winds in Pierre generator sucking back power from induced locked rotor into unpulsed overlapped stator winding.
Maybe "coherent" if backemf forces in just-pulsed stator winds overlap in same direction of flow as locked rotor field "returned" energy ...such as 5 degree delay like echo as example.
Don't want to make big thing or argument as I might be way off base easy to throw out my idea but might be something important to ponder what Ole and W Smith are getting at don't dismiss so fast


No sorry this changes nothing regarding what I have said above. Not sure why you mention the rotoverter. If it were an over unity device why would we and yourself be bothering with the DZ generator? Resonant circuits that develop large circulating currents depend on hi Q. As soon as you load them Q reduces and with it any chance of extracting energy.






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