Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system ! (Read 2231730 times)

Merg · « **Reply #1245 on:** October 18, 2009, 06:51:28 PM »

something new from YouTube:

Two-Stage Mechanical Oscillator Simulation
A simulation of a two-Stage mechanical oscillator using a motorized wheel instead of a pendulum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2m1LbXuz6E

Merg · « **Reply #1246 on:** October 18, 2009, 06:55:58 PM »

more...

Who asked for water pumping?!

two stage oscillator "casero"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_R-INBgZuo

eclectic4321 · « **Reply #1247 on:** October 18, 2009, 09:57:44 PM »

Hi All,

You may be interested in the two stage oscillator that I built from Lego blocks. Please see the Youtube videos at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPNMzRGg_ow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InUU08XD2YY
(or search for â€œLego Two Stage Oscillatorâ€)

All the Lego parts are from a Lego Mindstorms kit. Non-Lego parts are the AA battery, the bronze bushing in the pendulum (both act as weights), and the rubber bands. (There is nothing special about the battery and bushing. Both were on my desk at the time, and weigh the proper amount.)

Why Legos? Because they allow an inexpensive, quick, and easy to build model. The model can also be rapidly changed to try different ideas. Despite the â€œtoyâ€ aspect, the model here demonstrates the proper tuned operation that Mr. Milkovic describes. It can also be detuned to operate with random chaotic motion, as well as untuned heavy lifting operation. (You can see models operating in all these modes in other Youtube videos.)

If you choose to build your own model (which I encourage you to do), please read Mr. Lindemannâ€™s Model Builderâ€™s Guide article:

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Model_Building_Guidelines_by_Dr_Peter_Lindemann.pdf

In short:
â€¢ Add weight to balance the horizontal beam. (This is my AA battery).
â€¢ Tighten or loosen the rubber band to get the beam to oscillate at the same frequency as what the pendulum swing. (This takes some patience, but is not difficult.)

Although it is unlikely to go overunity (low forces, high friction), this model is an excellent teaching tool.

Good Luck!

Charlie_V · « **Reply #1248 on:** October 19, 2009, 02:02:05 AM »

Hi Merg, the motorized wheel idea is pretty cool. But the simulation would be better if they spun the wheel at twice the frequency of the beam. Otherwise you get sparatic oscillations like what you see in the video. The pendulum makes it easy for the system to act parametrically, but a motor wheel would have to match frequencies.

I like the lego oscillator. Neat idea letting the battery power it

neptune · « **Reply #1249 on:** October 19, 2009, 05:05:43 PM »

The Milkovich- with-rotating-wheel was put on youtube at my request, by a friend from the Bessler Wheel website. I am unable to do simulations myself. Having seen the video, I suggest the following mods. The restraining stops need to limit the up and down movement of the wheel to about 5% of the wheels radius. Wheel needs to run faster, to increase centrifugal force. Lever needs to be about 3 times as long at the end carring the balance weight. Use a bike wheel with a freewheel [ratchet] sprocket. As the wheel jumps up and down, a static chain device ads feedback to the wheel. More detail on this if anyone wants to build. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to determine input/output ratio of this device from s simulation please ?

Xaverius · « **Reply #1250 on:** October 19, 2009, 09:38:17 PM »

@ Mr. Heade

Hi Raymond, how's it going with your escapement/closed loop apparatus? Hope things are going well for you, take care.

Bulbz · « **Reply #1251 on:** October 25, 2009, 05:27:00 PM »

Could it be possible to use Milkovic's dual oscillation system as the basis of a super efficient human powered vehicle ?

I noticed in on of the videos something about the base needing to be firmly anchored to a surface, well maybe another pendulum could be added to the frame to counter balance the whole thing bouncing and losing it's energy as a result, adding a counter balance could make the device more mobile !

Solomon111 · « **Reply #1252 on:** October 25, 2009, 05:34:59 PM »

Mr. Head has allready achieved free energy based on gravity! All the rest is in development!
It is obviously!

Xaverius · « **Reply #1253 on:** October 25, 2009, 09:43:27 PM »

Quote from: Solomon111 on October 25, 2009, 05:34:59 PM

Mr. Head has allready achieved free energy based on gravity! All the rest is in development!
It is obviously!

Raymond informed me today that he is putting on the finishing touches to his escapement/closed loop device and will test it sometime today, hopefully with a video by tomorrow.

Nabo00o · « **Reply #1254 on:** October 25, 2009, 10:49:51 PM »

That is great news!
He got all the time he needs on the finishing for my part

But whatever the results will be, let us build upon it and learn from it

Julian

andrea · « **Reply #1255 on:** October 26, 2009, 04:59:21 PM »

Hello, I've published two clips about an improved system. Work in progress..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZCI2A1olIQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDoK7sze2Lo

Xaverius · « **Reply #1256 on:** October 27, 2009, 06:28:50 AM »

Quote from: andrea on October 26, 2009, 04:59:21 PM

Hello, I've published two clips about an improved system. Work in progress..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZCI2A1olIQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDoK7sze2Lo

Fascinating design, any more information on this?

andrea · « **Reply #1257 on:** October 27, 2009, 10:20:54 PM »

Quote from: Xaverius on October 27, 2009, 06:28:50 AM

Fascinating design, any more information on this?

Hi! I'm happy to give information. It's really simple, the bob of the pendulum is long 1 m, the wheigt is 5 kg, and in the lever we have the left arm lenght 0,25 m from the fulcrum, and the right arm long 0,40 m. The right arm is stopped with two shock absorber, that you can regulate, and then is connected to a byke's wheel. I can post any photos if it interests: the system could be improved more and more, any suggests are welcome

Sorry for the bad English speaking, bye

Merg · « **Reply #1258 on:** October 29, 2009, 04:03:41 PM »

...while we are waiting for Raymond Head's new oscillator development here is something related to it - a quote from the latest Milkovic newsletter:

"A victory for clean energy is achieved - the free mechanical energy from Texas (USA) is confirmed in the latest analysis!
After two years of experiments, consultations and discussions it becomes clear that accomplished mechanical energy surplus cannot be denied anymore!

Jovan Marjanovic - Raymond Headâ€™s Over Unity Proof for the Veljko Milkovicâ€™s Two Stage Mechanical Oscillator

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/Jovan_Marjanovic_Raymond_Head_Over_Unity_Proof.pdf

The weight would be raised 2+ inches (5 â€“ 6 cm) when the pendulum was moving towards the left side and 2- inches when it was moving back. So the weight of 80 pounds was raised a total of 4 inches (10cm) for each hand input. The path of the hand was also around 10cm (before losing contact with pendulum).
So, because paths passed by the weight and path passed by the fingers were almost the same and because the weight was 80 pounds and force of the fingers was less than 20 pounds, it should be obvious that output energy was 4 times bigger than input energy."

Nabo00o · « **Reply #1259 on:** October 29, 2009, 04:21:13 PM »

Yes Merg, I also got an update from the team.
While reading it all, one sentence got me thinking for a while:

"Note that no one has counted the fact that weight on the left side of the
lever was going up and down and that it could do work both ways. Only raising
up and increasing potential energy of the weight was counted in this case.
"

This is very important to understand, you will not gain anything by only loading the weight on the way down, and save for height on the way up. You loose more that way because of distance.

I am on my way trying to kill off the process which drains the oscillations, and I think it is possible.
Between the pendulum (or another harmonic oscillator) and the load, there is a free exchange of energy, but not work, and this is where my interest is. I will report back later if I find something

Julian

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