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Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 2237889 times)

Charlie_V

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1170 on: October 01, 2009, 01:21:55 AM »
I'm a scientist, and I am interested in this.  In fact, I'm working on this project (on the side) with two other co-workers (I have a PhD in electrical engineering, my two co-workers have PhDs in physics and biology).  They are both interested in it as well.  We all work in research at a national laboratory which would qualify us as "scientists".  So I think to say "a scientist would not raise an eyebrow" is a very erroneous statement. 

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1171 on: October 01, 2009, 07:55:47 PM »
I'm a scientist, and I am interested in this.  In fact, I'm working on this project (on the side) with two other co-workers (I have a PhD in electrical engineering, my two co-workers have PhDs in physics and biology).  They are both interested in it as well.  We all work in research at a national laboratory which would qualify us as "scientists".  So I think to say "a scientist would not raise an eyebrow" is a very erroneous statement.

You're kidding me, right?  You guys are studying this pendulum attached to a teeter-totter like it is something new and interesting?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1172 on: October 01, 2009, 08:35:49 PM »
You're kidding me, right?  You guys are studying this pendulum attached to a teeter-totter like it is something new and interesting?
You're kidding us?! The pendulum itself and lever itself are old things - even from the ancient times, but the effects happening when these simple machines are combined are totally NEW. I didn't find any source or example where the pendulum is attached to the lever in such a way. If you did please show us or don't post such nonsense.

The good proof if something is new or not is when you apply for a patent. The patent engineers need to do very deep search through the state of the technique before they grant a patent to someone. I see more than 20 patents for this pendulum-lever system:
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/PatentiEng.html

TechStuf

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1173 on: October 01, 2009, 11:21:45 PM »
Many highly creative types are ego driven.  Perhaps Utilitarian, as do many others, knows this....

The old, "I'll show you" goaded to action.

Truth is, Milkovic ain't far off and many know it.  It's just that relative few care, and are prepared, to throw down and go all "old school" on the problem at this late hour.

And there ain't know school, like the old school.

Blessings in Christ,


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Charlie_V

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1174 on: October 01, 2009, 11:36:33 PM »
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You're kidding me, right?  You guys are studying this pendulum attached to a teeter-totter like it is something new and interesting?

Hahahaha, who said we were studying a pendulum attached to a teeter-totter?  If you read a few posts up I said I was working on something of my own design yet related.  The problem with the pendulum and a teeter-totter is that the pivot point moves, so this damps the teeter-totter.  Now what happens when you design something where the pivot point is fixed, the load is driven with centripetal force that does not damp the pendulum?  This is an interesting thing that we are looking into.  Is there new physics, probably not, is it a new application, maybe.  You gotta stay open minded or you'll never amount to anything in this field.

By the way, there are guys that I work with whose entire career is modeling cantilevers (aka a diving boards).  Yup that's right, entire scientific career modeling diving boards - research is research, no matter how great or small.

Charlie

Merg

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1175 on: October 02, 2009, 01:14:25 AM »
I'm a scientist, and I am interested in this.  In fact, I'm working on this project (on the side) with two other co-workers (I have a PhD in electrical engineering, my two co-workers have PhDs in physics and biology).  They are both interested in it as well.  We all work in research at a national laboratory which would qualify us as "scientists".  So I think to say "a scientist would not raise an eyebrow" is a very erroneous statement.

You are the scientist according to Wikipedia  :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientist

Here is what one of your colleagues has just said about this invention:

Prof. Nebojsa Simin, a Serbian physicist, has addressed the scientific community and public with an open letter and call for official examination of Veljko Milkovic’s oscillating pendulum-lever system and "obviousness" of mechanical energy surplus showing in the work of this mechanical device.

Nebojsa Simin - “Energy surplus” in pendulum and two-arm lever system

"The two-stage oscillatory pendulum-lever system phenomenon has been out of interest of the official science up until recently. In physics, this system is actually still unknown or not studied. Science does not have an answer to a decade long pressure from a group of scientists, who have been trying to indicate to a potential importance of this two-stage oscillatory system as a possible unconventional source of energy...
This is not the idea that defies the conservation of energy law. If it was the case, a serious researcher would first have to ask himself where the mistake is, before making any further steps in making the physical model. The question asked is not why the machine conceived in such a way cannot work as a perpetuum mobile. On the contrary. The question is why that is still possible, given the fact that energy conversion efficiency of the existing machine is obviously higher than one. The raised question is whether it is possible that our own eyes are deceiving us..."

FULL TEXT: http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/Nebojsa_Simin_Energy_Surplus_Phenomenon.pdf

Charlie_V

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1176 on: October 02, 2009, 03:14:27 AM »
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any person who engages in a systematic activity to acquire knowledge
  This I highly agree with and in this sense we are all scientists (which we are, degrees and where you work doesn't make you any better than someone at home - don't think any different either). 

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an individual that engages in such practices and traditions that are linked to schools of thought or philosophy.
  This I DO NOT agree with, and in fact engaging in traditions linked to schools of thought are where the majority of present day science is going wrong.  You have to be able to question the establishment.

TechStuf

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1177 on: October 02, 2009, 03:25:24 AM »
Good point, afterall.....college graduates have led the 'civilized' world to the edge of the precipice it finds itself teetering on today.


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TS
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markdansie

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1178 on: October 02, 2009, 11:02:13 AM »
nothing here
time to go home girls and boys
unless?
some one figures out how to close loop it
but alas
remember Budda is a good freind of Jesus
kind regards
Mark

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1179 on: October 02, 2009, 12:51:55 PM »
some one figures out how to close loop it

hello mark

with 12 times more output than input why they can not close the loop ?

very easy ... all this stuff is conservative ...
I think that Newton can sleep soundly for hundred or thousand years more

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1180 on: October 02, 2009, 01:03:22 PM »
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with 12 times more output than input why they can not close the loop ?

with 12 times more output than input ...
you can convert electrical energy in mecanical enegy with bad COP
then you can convert  mecanical enegy in heat with bad COP
then you can convert  heat in mecanical enegy with bad COP
then you can convert  mecanical enegy in electrical energy with bad COP
and so on ...
and to finish you get a COP > 1 ... so easy

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1181 on: October 02, 2009, 01:03:43 PM »
@Tagor
I agree with you let bury this puppy.
Mark

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1182 on: October 02, 2009, 01:48:17 PM »
Tagor, we might not yet have gotten there, but people are working to close the feedback loop.
I think it is a serious mistake to take mechanics and simple geometry as more limited than electricity and magnetism. It all constitutes particles, which together with forces that are yet to be completely understood governs the physical reality that we know.

Do not feel certain that Newton's laws works perfectly in every instance...

Take a spinning wheel for example, and then try to conserve the total momentum which was used to spin it.....  Spin is the law of nature

Julian

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1183 on: October 02, 2009, 02:56:32 PM »

Take a spinning wheel for example, and then try to conserve the total momentum which was used to spin it.....  Spin is the law of nature

Julian
I thought the CF was supposed to not be a real force, just a potential? Until the wheel gives way to it, there is no work downe. When the work is done, the CF falls away.
That's not to say I have conceeded, it's a puzzle solution that's been staring us in the face.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1184 on: October 02, 2009, 03:31:35 PM »
I thought the CF was supposed to not be a real force, just a potential? Until the wheel gives way to it, there is no work downe. When the work is done, the CF falls away.
That's not to say I have conceeded, it's a puzzle solution that's been staring us in the face.

I'm not talking about centrifugal force, even if that is very interesting.
Newton's third law states that for every action there is an equal but opposite reaction.
Meaning that if you supposedly floated in space, and then threw some object away, the momentum that you gave it, because of the energy you expended, would also give you the same but opposite momentum. This could be your rescue if you were an astronaut who got lost from the ship....

However since there are supposedly no other forces to interact with in deep space, you should never be able to create such a motion which results in a total acceleration, without propelling some object away from you. And if you did trow something away (a wrench for example), conservation of momentum should cause the center of mass between you and the wrench to stay just the same as from the start (if no other forces interacts and change this).

Now.... What happens if the same astronaut applies a force in one direction to accelerate a wheel which he is holding? If momentum is conserved, then that force used to accelerate the wheel should also accelerate the astronaut in the opposite direction. But what has happened to the center of mass? Instead of equal amounts of momentum going in both directions away from each other, one is going forward while one is spinning around.

That astronaut could now even decelerate the wheel in opposite direction as when he accelerated it, and gain even more momentum in the same direction, actually the double of what he started with. He did work, then he collected the same work back again, but while doing so he also created a total acceleration without an opposite deceleration.

This is called a reaction-less drive and it is real. Gyroscopes has these kinds of qualities which allows them to do similar stunts. I would recommend you to check out Walter Lewin's lecture about gyroscopes on youtube, MIT is releasing most of their lectures for free there.


There is something more to matter then what simple mechanical physics is telling us.....
Julian