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Russell Lee

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1140 on: September 21, 2009, 06:20:49 PM »
Hi Russell;;;   I really like the way you put that. 
"This new design is basically the ancient one with a twist-the pendulum, which means nothing but that it is a variant of the original."

Like the F-!4  Tom-cat is basically the ancient one with a twist-  better aerodynamic design, Aluminum Alloys, and jets that can produce many more pounds of throust per pound of engne weight.instead of the old prop planes.
I am with you all the way Buddy.  There is nothing new on this earth.  Only improvements to old ideas.
Purly for the sack of discution.  Let us say. The machine does not put out more energy than is put in.  AND, At the same time acknowlage the given Fact that it operates Exactly oposet of every other machine on this planet. In that the more resistance is put on the machine the easyer it is to operate.  Would this not mean that there is "A POSSABILATY"  that it just might, or could be,  THE most effeciant machine ever designed to this date.
I proposs ;;;;;    IF; it is possible. Then it is worth my time to look into. And any constructive sugjestions you could come up with would be welcomed with OPEN arms.
I honestly say to you. Your sugjestion that this may be an ancient design with a twist- the pendulum.   This thrills me to no end.  For IF, the pendulum is an improvement on the old design.  Then maybe we need to improve the penduluim next.  And seeing as the pendulum has been around for some time now.  Maybe it is time to think 'IMPROVEMENT" of the pendulum.  As I have stated in one of my videos. We have redesigned the pendulum to reduce air friction by over 95%. And when we can afford it ,  all bearings will be tefflon coated.
I tell you now with 100% knowlage (not thiory) anyone that is not sure of this machine or has second thoughts as to wether it works or not. Has not  operated one with his or her own hands.
I wil now formaly give an OPEN invatation to every one in this forum that has second thoughts as to this machine, to come to my home and try it out for yourself.

                       Raymond   RHead100
  Easy brother, improvements to established designs is not in question.  The only reason I put up that message was to just bring out that this design has been around for centuries, and that in those centuries it has basically remained the same without improvement. 
I truely hope you have the invention of the century on your hands, and that it changes mankind's estate.
  The F 14 flies just like the old one, but it still doesn't fly without fuel.  The Chinese Spoon-Tilt Hammer couldn't run forever by itself, by saying yours is overunity, your saying it will-big difference.  This is a major difference that, if correct, will change humanity, feed the hungry, bring energy to the world for medicine/food storage, and probably hundreds of other things.
  Skepticism is a requirement in engineering, it was important to let others know that this isn't a brand new thing, I do not doubt that it possibly could be made to work as you say, but up till now, nobody has been able to do it for centuries. 
  Until it is running by itself and not just pumping water, it's difficult to believe it is overunity.  Closing the loop is the whole game, overunity does that.
                       I pray that you achieve this for all of us.
                                                          -Russ
                                       

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1141 on: September 21, 2009, 06:48:14 PM »
  Easy brother, improvements to established designs is not in question.  The only reason I put up that message was to just bring out that this design has been around for centuries, and that in those centuries it has basically remained the same without improvement. 
I truely hope you have the invention of the century on your hands, and that it changes mankind's estate.
  The F 14 flies just like the old one, but it still doesn't fly without fuel.  The Chinese Spoon-Tilt Hammer couldn't run forever by itself, by saying yours is overunity, your saying it will-big difference.  This is a major difference that, if correct, will change humanity, feed the hungry, bring energy to the world for medicine/food storage, and probably hundreds of other things.
  Skepticism is a requirement in engineering, it was important to let others know that this isn't a brand new thing, I do not doubt that it possibly could be made to work as you say, but up till now, nobody has been able to do it for centuries. 
  Until it is running by itself and not just pumping water, it's difficult to believe it is overunity.  Closing the loop is the whole game, overunity does that.
                       I pray that you achieve this for all of us.
                                                          -Russ
                                       
Thanks Russ;;  I had a feeling you were on my side.. Thanks .
I am just too close to stop now.
I am truely blessed to have friends like you and the others here Rooting for me.

       Raymond     RHEAD100

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1142 on: September 21, 2009, 08:30:51 PM »
Great work Raymond!  You've made excellent progress since December when I last contacted you.  Your theory and ideas are sound so DON'T listen to any naysayers.  They will argue until the end of time that Free Energy isn't possible, but your videos prove differant.  Please keep up the positive attitude, a lot of us are pulling for you.  Naboo is right, watch your back, there are lots of losers out there that want you to fail.  Also, thanks for the reference to VanderWaals videos, I have been searching for several months for Lego clock/pendulum/mechanical mechanism videos for months, so you've saved me some effort.  Best of luck in Closing The Loop and please keep up the good work!

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1143 on: September 21, 2009, 10:11:02 PM »
Before anyone gets too goo-goo about this machine I suggest they inspect the design of the ancient Chinese spoon-tilt hammer.  This new design is basically the ancient one with a twist-the pendulum, which means nothing but that it is a variant of the original.  It is also similar to other ancient machines like the Oliver (treadle hammer), and the Shadouf (Swape).

Maybe such pendulum machine with great efficiency existed many years ago... maybe the pyramids were built in that way... and now we forgot that technology... Even Milkovic doesn't discard such possibility:
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Milkovic_Oscillator_in_Prehistoric_Times.jpg

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1144 on: September 22, 2009, 01:16:16 AM »
Great work Raymond!  You've made excellent progress since December when I last contacted you.  Your theory and ideas are sound so DON'T listen to any naysayers.  They will argue until the end of time that Free Energy isn't possible, but your videos prove differant.  Please keep up the positive attitude, a lot of us are pulling for you.  Naboo is right, watch your back, there are lots of losers out there that want you to fail.  Also, thanks for the reference to VanderWaals videos, I have been searching for several months for Lego clock/pendulum/mechanical mechanism videos for months, so you've saved me some effort.  Best of luck in Closing The Loop and please keep up the good work!
Thanks Xaverius ;   Glade I could help. And thanks for the incuragment.
As for the naysayers, those dumb asses would not know fee energy if it hit them in the ass with a board.  Energy IS free.  It's the dang machine that converts it ti useable energy that coasts money.  The wind blows free. But it does not make electicity nor does it grind corn.  Windmills convert it to useable power.
 I have said many times,  the 2 stage oscillator does NOT make energy from nothing. AND it is not perpetual.  It will ,  like any wind mill, water damn or coal or gas fired boiler,   need maintanience.  Sombody is going to have to build it.  And somebody is going to have to maintain it.
Damn;;;  Aint life great.  Look at all the new jobs we just created.   OOOHH  shit;; I just used that Nasty,  7 letter word. (CREATED).  Hay;;  Before all you naysayers get all bent out of shape ,  I did not say from NOTHING.   HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

                       Raymond   RHead100

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1145 on: September 22, 2009, 06:20:21 AM »
Thanks Xaverius ;   Glade I could help. And thanks for the incuragment.
As for the naysayers, those dumb asses would not know fee energy if it hit them in the ass with a board.  Energy IS free.  It's the dang machine that converts it ti useable energy that coasts money.  The wind blows free. But it does not make electicity nor does it grind corn.  Windmills convert it to useable power.
 I have said many times,  the 2 stage oscillator does NOT make energy from nothing. AND it is not perpetual.  It will ,  like any wind mill, water damn or coal or gas fired boiler,   need maintanience.  Sombody is going to have to build it.  And somebody is going to have to maintain it.
Damn;;;  Aint life great.  Look at all the new jobs we just created.   OOOHH  shit;; I just used that Nasty,  7 letter word. (CREATED).  Hay;;  Before all you naysayers get all bent out of shape ,  I did not say from NOTHING.   HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

                       Raymond   RHead100
LOL!!!!  Good points and great attitude!

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1146 on: September 22, 2009, 09:57:55 AM »
...Energy IS free....

Same thing as "Allah is great".

Prove it.

The assertions of "free energy" from subscribers to the grid seem me always very suspicious  :-)))





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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1147 on: September 23, 2009, 09:35:09 PM »
Just in case anyone is interested. We have started back to work on the 2 stage oscillator and are building the towers to house the escapement mecanisums for the feed back system to try to compleat the loop.
If anyone has any ideas,  I am wide open to suggestions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4_wQXJ41ks&feature=channel_page

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1148 on: September 23, 2009, 10:01:08 PM »
Hi Raymond,

The suggestion I had for an easy build is to fix a piston pump above and below the swing arm and have it pump water into a tank fixed above the pendulum.  Place a trip valve fed from the tank at the end of the pendulum arc and when the pendulum strikes it, the valve will dump an amount of water on the pendulum sufficient to propel it to max swing for another cycle.  This simple method takes care of all timing issues, and you can easily measure your results. If the water level in the tank goes up over time you have demonstrated over unity.  If the level drops, you start again.    This simple rig permits lots of variation in pump size, stroke length etc. etc. to ensure you get maximum output deposited into your holding tank.    I wanted to build this one myself but, sigh, no time this season.  Good luck.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1149 on: September 23, 2009, 10:28:15 PM »
Raymond,  I like your style.  You don't let assumptions get in the way of facts. 

You didn't hear this from me, but mounting your pendulum's pivot point on a small, well lubricated trolley can improve your situation considerably.  As your pendulum weight reaches it's zenith at each swing, the trolley can be moved in the 'opposite' direction for a well timed, though nominal fee.  One that is more than paid each time your 'stock' hits the bottom.

Good day and God bless,

TS

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1150 on: September 23, 2009, 10:34:09 PM »
Just in case anyone is interested. We have started back to work on the 2 stage oscillator and are building the towers to house the escapement mecanisums for the feed back system to try to compleat the loop.
If anyone has any ideas,  I am wide open to suggestions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4_wQXJ41ks&feature=channel_page

        Raymond    RHead100
Nice work Raymond, I too have been researching the escapement/clock movement theory for the feedback loop.  If I come up with any new information I'll let you know.  Good job!

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1151 on: September 24, 2009, 04:37:55 PM »
Hi fellows;  This is a copy of an e-mail I sent to Mr. Milkovic this morning.  I will post the responce as soon as I recieve it.  He always respondes to my e-mails. But it does take a little time as he has to have them translated into his native toung (Serbian).   SO;  Don't get your painties in na wadd if it take a few days.  HAHAHA  !!!!!!!


Mr.  Milkovic;
 
Dear Sir;;;    I have uploaded three videos to you tube.  The first two are of a video that you already have but has been split so it will fit  on you tube.  The only differance is that in the discription to the right of the video  has  a little more detail as to the understanding of the importance of the leingth of the pendulum Verses it's power out put in time relation.
Please read the discription to the right of the first two videos and let me know your views on this mater.
 
The third video is a new one and at this time not of much importance.  We are back,  working on the 2 stage oscillator and getting ready to try and compleit the loop to have it power itself.
 
Please foregive my Boldness.  But when,  (not if)   I complet the feed back loop and have the machine powering itself.  I will reviel to the world. My designs and plans for a multie phayse  2 stage oscillator that will produce many times more power per unit size. With  much less strain and vibration on the main framwork.
 
I said in one of my videos that   " every time I try something new with the 2 stage oscillator. It never fails to amaze me."
I have tried many more new things after that video and my words still hold true to this day.  Every thing new that I try .   Meets or exceeds my expectations.
I am  100%  sure. Any attempt to make the machine power itself that fails.  Proves, only, ONE THING.   "The attempt was flawed.".
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMq53NPttUk&feature=channel_page
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQv1Z6Tbyus&feature=channel_page
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4_wQXJ41ks&feature=channel_page
 
 
                                     Your most dedacated fan, and student     Raymond L. Head

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1152 on: September 27, 2009, 06:43:44 PM »
As promised, I am posting the responces from Mr. Milkovic on my e-mails to him on the 24th of Sept. 2009.  There were two e-mail responces.
One on the new video of the larger fram for the escapement towers. And the other on the discription to the right of the videos "A&B" about the higher the pendulum the more weight it will pick up.

First E-Mail;;;
Dear Raymond Head,
 
thank you for informing us on your progress.
 
We are very glad to see you are making a new bigger prototype and that you are working very hard.
We will carefully follow up your work and we will also inform you on our progress and results.
 
My opinion is that you are researching very good - you are considering and examining the subject very practically and patiently and that can only lead to success.
Many people has just empty phrases, but only through concrete practical work and tests, as you are doing, this invention can be successfully researched and developed toward our common goal.
 
Your results so far are more than obvious. You did a lot and you have already achieved the mechanical overunity.
I can just wish you keep up the excellent work. I wish you good health and good luck in future work.
 
I must admit you are the most successful in examining this pendulum-lever system and its effects. You got to the heart of a matter!
You absolutely proved free energy with your experiments and those who didn't see it they were not honest!
 
Yours sincerely.
Veljko Milkovic

 

 Second E-Mail;;
Dear Raymond Head,

 our Analytical Team has considered your video descriptions and we would like to comment both your observations:

 

1) The first one was about increasing output weight and thus also output energy with the same input energy and raising starting angle of the pendulum. Yes, it is very logical for us because with initial raising of the starting angle of the pendulum, the pendulum will receive more potential energy and after turning it into kinetic energy at low position its speed will be higher and also centrifugal force will be stronger and able to lift up more weight.

 

Some people keeps complaining about this initial raising of the pendulum and the energy the pendulum initially received. They claim that it was the reason why some people saw some over unity gain. Actually, they are right. The trick is in using this initial energy and to keep adding small amount after that. After some extended period of the time it is possible to disregard energy spent in initial raising of the pendulum. Of course, it also means that two stage oscillator should not be used for short period of the time because initial raising would tax the oscillator efficiency.

 

2) The second one was about increasing output energy by extending pendulum length. We actually never measured this and would like to encourage you and other people to do precise measuring of this fact. For us it is logical because by increasing the length of the pendulum two times its frequency would slow down 1.41 times (square root of two) and by increasing length 4 times its frequency (or the period of oscillation) would go down 2 times. The importance of slowing down the period of the oscillation is the fact that heavy weight can not be raised fast up because of its inertia. Some period of the time is necessary to give to the oscillator to raise the weight. Too fast oscillator can not raise heavy weights unless it was extremely powerful.

 

Sincerely,

 

Analytical Team of

Laboratory of Two-Stage Mechanical Oscillations Research

 

Veljko Milkovic Research & Development Center

 

Bulevar cara Lazara 56

21000 Novi Sad

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1153 on: September 28, 2009, 12:03:15 AM »
Nice replies, good to see the Milkovic team is supporting your efforts.

Regarding that second email. Increasing period also implies increasing initial height, or doesn't it? I seriously wonder where a same-height but doubled period will indeed lift a weight completely, or measurably higher. With a doubled period AND initial height, I would expect the lift to be higher. And indeed if a weight was not lifted completely before, a longer period and greater pendulum amplitude will surely increase the success odds.
Greatly looking forward to your findings with that monstrous(ly cool) device you're building.

Brain fart:
Imagine a relatively long period 1st stage pendulum. Before reaching the center of the swing, a linkage slacks the rod of the pendulum (allows it to extent under gravity and CF), and the pendulum weight dips sharply. Right after center, the linkage extension is reversed. We get the period of the long pedulum, and some added height from the dip in the center. More OU that usual, less, or the same?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1154 on: September 28, 2009, 03:07:08 PM »
Nice replies, good to see the Milkovic team is supporting your efforts.

Regarding that second email. Increasing period also implies increasing initial height, or doesn't it? I seriously wonder where a same-height but doubled period will indeed lift a weight completely, or measurably higher. With a doubled period AND initial height, I would expect the lift to be higher. And indeed if a weight was not lifted completely before, a longer period and greater pendulum amplitude will surely increase the success odds.
Greatly looking forward to your findings with that monstrous(ly cool) device you're building.

Brain fart:
Imagine a relatively long period 1st stage pendulum. Before reaching the center of the swing, a linkage slacks the rod of the pendulum (allows it to extent under gravity and CF), and the pendulum weight dips sharply. Right after center, the linkage extension is reversed. We get the period of the long pedulum, and some added height from the dip in the center. More OU that usual, less, or the same?
I'm Sorry Cloxxki  ;;  But something in your first statment tells me you do not understand the 2 stage oscillator ,  at all.
The power bar is a normal every day lever and it's math is directly proportional.  The power of the pendulum is it's leingth and weight and THAT is exponintal.
The leingth of the pendulum is it's timing and that is directly proportional.
The movment of the pivot point of the pendulm is the extraction point of the power produced by the pendulum. And this movment is a real loss of penulum power BUT it is exponintial.
It is vital that you pick up the max weight with the minamale movement of the pivot point of the pendulum.
To pick up 50 pounds 2 inches is the exact same thing as picking up 100 pounds 1 inch.
For experimental perposes. Almost any pendulum any leingth will work.
However ;;  If you need a particuler job done.  You will need to build the machine ti fit that job.
For example;;;;      I want a force of 25 pounds applied for a distance of 4 inches every two seconds.  I would need a four to one ratio power bar. A two meter pendulum swing. And a pendulum heavy enough to pick up 100 pounds 1 inch. @ a one to one ratio.A 50 to 60 pound pendulum would probably work very well here.This would allow the pivot point of the pendulum to move one inch up & down.
If we double the weight of the pendulum (leaving it's size and shape the same) it will have the same air friction with no need for incressed power input. However the power loss of the up and down motion IS doubled. So we reduce the up and down motion by half and double the ratio of the power bar and the needed input powr is reduced by 65 %. And you get the samre work out of the machine.
As you increes the leingth of the pendulum. You also incress the distance and speed it travles. Incressing air drag.  That is why on very larg machines it would be a great advantage to have a well aerodiamicaly designed pendulum.

    Raymond   RHead100