I neither argue for nor against Milkovic's device, as I have my own proposed device that I believe would be superior to the pendulum device for energy production. My device would work even in a gravityless environment by utilising centrifugal forces from a full rotational input mass, for both positive and negative amplitudal energy on stage 2. See my videos on youtube channel: MagnaMoRo.

Which is nothing new. Sorry but that was suggested long ago, its just that Rhead has to show what the basic idea can do. In no doubt, if this this is to be commercial and compact we need stronger forces than gravity to aid its operation, and centrifugal force solely depends on rotational speed...

But........ energy input increases with the square of velocity, which has led me to doubt whether that approach can actually compete with a pendulum or spring pushed at the 'nodes', where the velocity is zero.

Julian

To address your concerns about energy increase with velocity. It isn't like were talking about having to obtain very high velocity here. In fact, the energy increase with velocity, that you mention, comes from air friction, which can be virtually eliminated by placing the devices in a vacuum or low pressure chamber.  Once the rotating mass has reached the desired rate of rotation, particularly in a vacuum, it would take very little effort to maintain that desired  rate.

No sorry, maybe I didn't explain it correctly. What I am talking about is really acceleration.

When you increase the speed or velocity of something you must expend energy. That's because you have given the mass kinetic energy, which you can see with the formula is always the square of the velocity. And this energy increase is based on the fact that as the velocity of an object increases, be it small or large, it will take more energy for each unit of time to accelerate it another m/s, because; as the meters per second increases, this means that you have to push on it for a longer distance, which is more work.

Btw just to mention it, this seems to kill of a lot of my previous ideas about velocity and gears.
Just thought you'd like to know....
Julian

Anything that changes direction of travel requires energy to change it's direction.

Sort of. I you run past a traffic sign pole, and let your extended hand engage it, you'll change direction without losing speed. And possibly strain your arm. The pole doesn't care, it wants to be left alone. In theory, EARTH is brought a bit out of alignment due to the change of direction. Would we take energy from Earth this way, or merely send it in a slightly different direction?
If two identical bouncing balls hit each other head-on at equal speed, they continue in opposite directions, same speeds again.

A brain teaser might be this one:
Two wheels are found to be of identical build, spinning at identical rpm, just an inverse of each other without slowing down. The nice thing about frictionless wheels...
This is such a unique find, it's decided to bring them together. The wheels engage side-to-side like lost soulmates, and...stop turning instantly. Was Energy used to slow them down? Was KE killed? Or was there never real movement?
Each wheel could have run a load before coming to a halt, but now both came to a halt and we didn't use the energy!
The more Milkovic demonstrations I see, the more it comes across like gospel. Experiments are inconclusive due to disadvantaging traditional energy transtions with angles and overhead weight.

I hope Rhead managed something. From his latest video's I don't se what his plan exactly is.

Sort of. I you run past a  pole, and let your extended hand engage it, you'll change direction without losing speed. And possibly strain your arm. The pole doesn't care, it wants to be left alone. In theory, EARTH is brought a bit out of alignment due to the change of direction. Would we take energy from Earth this way, or merely send it in a slightly different direction?
If two identical bouncing balls hit each other head-on at equal speed, they continue in opposite directions, same speeds again.

A brain teaser might be this one:
Two wheels are found to be of identical build, spinning at identical rpm, just an inverse of each other without slowing down. The nice thing about frictionless wheels...
This is such a unique find, it's decided to bring them together. The wheels engage side-to-side like lost soulmates, and...stop turning instantly. Was Energy used to slow them down? Was KE killed? Or was there never real movement?
Each wheel could have run a load before coming to a halt, but now both came to a halt and we didn't use the energy!
The more Milkovic demonstrations I see, the more it comes across like gospel. Experiments are inconclusive due to disadvantaging traditional energy transtions with angles and overhead weight.

I hope Rhead managed something. From his latest video's I don't se what his plan exactly is.

Reguarding your 2 wheel brain teaser:
The two wheels will as a whole stop rotating, but for a sure, the energy won't just stop... It will be fully converted into multi frequency vibrations down to the molecular level, resulting in heat, sound and possibly damage to the wheels. The same thing that happens to airplane wheels when they suddenly hit the runway on landing. 

I experiment this for three years ... and ...
yes it is impossible to get good work with this stuff

Why don't you publish your experiments?

The latest update from veljkomilkovic.com

New Breakthrough in Over Unity Theory

Dear friends,
 
we are glad to inform you that a new breakthrough has been achieved in over unity theory!

After the research and analytical work a new theory has been developed and now Jovan Marjanovic and academician Veljko Milkovic are presenting the theory which says that acting force against moving body will not only accelerate the mass of the body, but also its initial kinetic energy too. The product of initial velocity and additional velocity times the mass would be measurement of extra energy or over-unity energy...

Jovan Marjanovic & Veljko Milkovic - Kinetic Energy and Over Unity

The goal of this work is to point out some important facts in formulas for kinetic energy and momentum (quantity of the movement) for moving bodies.
It will be shown that over unity behavior is inherent in movement itself.

In this work the authors will discuss:

- origin of the formulas for linear momentum and kinetic energy,

- principle of adding energy to a moving body as the key for over unity,

- initial velocity in gravitation field,

- the best way of adding energy to the pendulum,

- validity of relativity of classic mechanics inside an inertial frame.

Key words: velocity, kinetic energy, momentum, over-unity, pendulum.

The complete paper can be read on the next link (PDF - 155KB):
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/Jovan_Marjanovic_Veljko_Milkovic_Kinetic_Energy_and_Overunity.pdf

The latest update from the authors:


Dear Friends,

Several people already expressed great concern about possibility if the force acting against the ball could pass the same energy to the ball after the ball started to move.
The problem was that the force should pass extra path in order to catch and push the ball.

We already explained that the force must be fast enough in order to catch and to push the ball.
However, we forget to mention that acting force should be an Impulse, without passing extra path.
Imagine turning the wheel by the hand. The hand would pass the same path every time, but probably somewhat faster next time. Magnetic force would be the best to use. If acted on the wheel it would act against nearest magnet on the wheel and pass the same path every time.

By using the pendulum all this issues would become invalid because the pendulum comes to stop on each side and there is no any extra path passed by the force if the force was used in highest positions.

To illustrate impact of extra velocity (this time it was angular velocity) to the space module Explorer I, please read the document on the internet:

„Von Braun’s 50-year-old Secret“ on the site:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Von_Braun.htm

Sincerely,

Jovan Marjanovic and Veljko Milkovic

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We already explained that the force must be fast enough in order to catch and to push the ball.
However, we forget to mention that acting force should be an Impulse, without passing extra path.
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Meaningless. What means "fast enough"? How much? What means "passing extra path"? Where is the impulse applied from? Where are the equations? Those in the pdf are wrong or misinterpreted. It has to be honestly rewritten.

Milkovic's pendulum is a usefull device for some applications but under unity and perfectly explainable with current known physics laws. Nothing more. Or prove it by making it selfrunning instead of providing misleading math; this work would be much more profitable. If we had "12 times more output than input", this should be very very easy...