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Author Topic: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy  (Read 57937 times)

Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2017, 11:00:22 AM »
INVESTIGATION IN PROGRESS

On November 08, 2011, 12:23 AM (as mentioned) cosmoLV displays a drawing regarding the Kapanadze device, showing somewhat that looks like a couple of tubes. On January 24, 2014, 12:34 PM some pictures were taken of a Barbosa-Leal device showing something that also looks like a tube, a closed looped pipe instead of a closed looped standard conductor. That pipe, which appears to be made of copper, is wrapped with insulation, maybe a shrinking hose or paint. They call it iron pipe, but one photo shows clearly a color like copper.

The standard conductor previously used by Barbosa-Leal is labeled »1x240.0MM2 0.6/1KV CCORE/PVC«, this marks a single core copper conductor with a cross section of 240mm2, the PVC insulation is adequate for a voltage up to 1KV.

First question: Why putting together a lot of copper or iron fittings when a simple ground cable obviously can do it?

Second question: Why is it necessary to cover a pipe that heats up with something like PVC in its entirety? Seeing a bare copper or iron pipe would reveal nothing anyway.

Third question: How many turns can be made on an iron core using that kind of pipe or 240mm2 conductor?

Fourth question: Does it stand to reason to connect a thin green ground wire to a bulky black ground wire about ten times the cross section?

Fifth question: The bulky black conductor wrapped with that thin green wire is the same conductor that forms the loop in front of the device? As we know already, there are many pitfalls.

The heavy current in the 240mm2 cable or in the pipe generates an intense magnetic field in the iron core hidden within the device - not vice versa, it is rather not an intense magnetic field that generates the heavy current in that conductor.

Supposed - see question five - both are the same black cables, then something has to be wrapped around of that 240mm2 cable inside of the device. Since that cable (and also the pipe) is connected galvanically to ground (negative) forming the cathode, then that wrapped-around thing has to be the anode (positive). On the other hand, if we connect an anode to high voltage negative against ground, then actually the ground would be the anode and the negative high voltage would be the cathode. The patent shows a closed loop with a plus sign, whereas one photo shows the closed loop (the pipe) connected to a red wire (ground?), so here the loop can't be the high voltage positive.

Thus, what is it, that has to be looped? The anode, the cathode or both? But if the loop is the cathode then the Barbosa-Leal patent drawing and description is wrong. Another pitfall?

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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2017, 11:49:58 AM »
Are you certain that the patent is incorrect?


Tesla patented the same device in 20 completely different forms.
But they all performed the same basic function.


To claim one is wrong because it looks different than the other
Is to negate the operating principles, without first understanding them.




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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2017, 12:07:33 PM »
Are you certain that the patent is incorrect?


Tesla patented the same device in 20 completely different forms.
But they all performed the same basic function.


To claim one is wrong because it looks different than the other
Is to negate the operating principles, without first understanding them.

which Tesla patent  u talking about?

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2017, 12:07:33 PM »
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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2017, 12:16:26 PM »
in video kapanadze 2004, the mystery of the two resistors and the white capacitor is in doubling the frequency .... the rest remains to be discovered......

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2017, 12:19:14 PM »
like video:

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2017, 04:47:40 PM »
 >:(
Better control the connection of the bridge rectifier so you risk making a short circuit ...

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2017, 05:19:18 PM »
A small mistake: the bridge rectifier is mounted incorrectly.

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Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2017, 05:45:27 PM »
Short circuits are nice ...

kpannic, if the input on the left would be high voltage, the 100Hz output would also be high voltage. But I can't see transformer, diode bridge and wiring suitable for high voltage on Kapanadze's workbench. On the other hand, if high voltage would mean no more than 1000 volts, then it could be.

sm0ky2, looking at the Barbosa-Leal patent and at the actual Barbosa-Leal setup, they are contradictory. This has nothing to do with how many different versions of patents Tesla has published. The Barbosa-Leal patent says, the closed loop is anode positive, whereas the setup looks like the closed loop is cathode negative (ground).


GOLDEN RATIO

Let's say (in the absence of a better theory), there is an alternating electric field (ionization) generated by high voltage (at 2f) and an alternating magnetic field generated by an iron core via a primary coil (at 1f). Located within those two fields there is a closed loop of copper wire or a copper pipe, about 2 to 4 turns, creating a short circuit and this loop is connected to ground at some point. The electric field attracts electrons from ground, hence, there is now a surplus of electrons in that loop. Then the magnetic field takes over and pushes those surplus of electrons all around through the loop (generating thereby a strong magnetic field in the iron core), so the electrons are forced to make a full cycle in order to go back to the ground (actually not the very same electrons); they can't go back the same way they came from when attracted. What could that imply?

Could that imply, that it does matter at which point precisely in that closed loop the ground is connected and the field generating high voltage is located? Are those parts somehow asymmetrically arranged? This is just a preliminary guesswork of mine. The one drawing by Guntis shows something like the Kodak Flasher (see above), that's evident. But I always wondered what that cryptic other drawing Golden_Ratio.jpg could mean ... perhaps nothing.

At least, having to cope with a max. of 4 turns for the energy generating coil, it should make things much more easy to handle; should be far easier than working with tables full of high-end electronics. If we, for now, go for thermal energy only, then there is even no need for an electric energy output coil. Just the initial magnetic field generating primary coil, the grounded looped cathode coil and an anode connected to high voltage.

Regarding the placement of conductors: Is there another device utilizing a correctly placed closed looped conductor? Yes, it is the Shaded Pole Induction Motor. The rotor turns, because the closed looped coils - the shaded poles - are located on precise points on the iron core. So, as we can see, the correct placement of conductors does indeed matter sometimes.

Therefore, this all could boil down to the generation of some kind of rotating field by combining an electric field and a magnetic field in a specific way. We remember, Stepanov discovered this effect by means of a three-phase transformer. There are a lot of possibilities to connect three transformers together (the wrong way).


RESISTANCE AND ENERGY

If we push against something (a car, e.g.) that offers mechanical resistance, then we can transfer energy to that object. If we push against something that does not offer mechanical resistance (thin air, e.g.) then we cannot transfer energy to that object (a small amount at best in that case).

As we know, an open secondary coil of a transformer does not generate a magnetic field, nor does it generate any heat. Astonishingly, in that case the electrons encounter no resistance when moving through the wire while generating alternating voltage. But if we close that secondary coil - shorted directly or via a load - then the electrons, now moving in a closed loop, start to generate a magnetic field (causing the primary coil to draw a higher current) as well as heat in the wire.

Quote: »You got it right!! The pipe is the resistance to the circuit!!«

Electrical resistance exists only in a closed circuit. Without resistance there is no heat and no magnetic field. Electrons do need resistance in order to generate energy. In case of the captor device that would mean, the generated power stands in direct correlation to the resistance of the closed loop. The heavier the resistive loop, the more electrons moving, the more energy it generates.

Err ... if a free energy device can generate heat directly, then there should be no need to generate electricity first in order to power an electric heater with that electricity; like seen in a Kapanadze demonstration.

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2017, 07:45:06 PM »
Short circuits are nice ...

kpannic, if the input on the left would be high voltage, the 100Hz output would also be high voltage. But I can't see transformer, diode bridge and wiring suitable for high voltage on Kapanadze's workbench. On the other hand, if high voltage would mean no more than 1000 volts, then it could be.


no, but if you look closely at the video2004, a thin white wire (from 220v) leads into the metal box to hide its destination, then it comes (i see) out 7 wire (4 wires for resistors, 2 wire for capacitor and I see only one black to the bridge rectifier).
Probably in that metal box there is a 220v -> 2000v transformer. Nothing is excluded.
Anyway those resistors are too small for 25A and the capacitor it's max 10-20uF 450v.
The bridge rectifier is for high amperage, but it can be seen sticking a thin black max 2Amps.
Let's not forget that in 2004 is the first device, made from materials found in "garage".

"Zeitmaschine:
............ try to put your mind back to those years; no semiconductors, no RadioShack - nothing, just wires and transformers......

I will try to get out of 220v 50Hz -> 2000v 100Hz under 30watt with that circuit.

Keep you up to date.
P.S. sorry for my bad english...google it's my friend  :D

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2017, 07:45:06 PM »
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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2017, 08:40:29 PM »
@Zelt,


The point I was trying to make, is that patents don’t always resemble the actual device
in every manner.


If we have a portion of one circuit and a portion of another circuit
Coupled as an L-C inductive coupling,
It doesn’t matter which side is which.
I mean, it may to the individual circuit,
But for the coupling, it would function either way.
This type of reversibility can sometimes apply to other forms of circuits.


FFT theory states that any circuit can be reduced to an equivalent circuit.
Patents actually cause this to take place.
Is circuit may be protected or unknown to the competitor
So a different, equivalent circuit, must be derived.


Also, circuits are often made more complex than necessary or extra simplified
in a patent application.


If the differences between the patent, and a particular device are giving you trouble
The course of action would be to examine what is taking place by this change
And to identify any other parts of the circuits that are also different.
It may point you to the answer you are looking for.

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2018, 05:23:57 PM »
partial explanation possible....field pulsed  ::)  very simple  :o  you know how to pulse it - by HV capacitor discharge ; the simplest form = 2kV capacitor charged from secondary of MOT trafo through the spark gap at 100Hz thus two diodes

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2018, 01:18:21 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8zSMXMo2hs

Is it possible that we can understand the connections in these transformers?

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2018, 03:10:27 PM »
sm0ky2, that's why the phrase »or vice versa« is frequently used in this thread.


THE FOUR-CYCLE ENGINE

We use two transformers of a three-phase transformer. The primary coil of the first one is connected to 50Hz grid, generating a magnetic field. The secondary coil of that transformer is connected to ground and shorted. It is not shorted directly, but through a coil of the second transformer. That second transformer generates high voltage, for some reason at 100 Hz. That high voltage generates an electric field and ionization close to that shorted coil carrying the 50Hz current generated by the first transformer. Using a spark gap or not, what could happen? What could happen if we use all three transformers? The middle one generates the magnetic field and runs at 50Hz, the two outer ones provide the high voltage at 100Hz - or vice versa. What could happen, if the ground wire connected to the closed loop itself is influenced by an alternating electric field?

Unbelievable, how many pages can be written in circles about a device consistent of almost nothing.

It is still unclear at this point if a spark gap is really required or not. I can't see how a spark gap could ever work on a permanent basis when casted in epoxy resin, like the Barbosa-Leal device is. Should we assume there is a spark gap hidden in the circuit breaker or in one of the two surge arresters? Or is there an electronic one? But if we don't need one at all, then the better. Maybe Kapanadze's spark gap is just another pitfall - or he used one needlessly without knowing. Also it is still unclear at this point whether the surplus of electrons should be collected from ground or rather from ionized air.

Looking at the illustrations below, we know for sure now why a frequency doubler circuit is needed in order to generate the high voltage that attracts the electrons. It works (if we should ever succeed) like a four-cycle engine. The idea is to electrostatically attract and repel the electrons in a closed circuit in harmony with the magnetic field, not contrary to it, making one field cancel the other. So I think this is a physical configuration issue between the magnetic field(s) - inductance, and the electrostatic field(s) - capacitance. The Barbosa-Leal patent says »at least one device for generating an electromagnetic field (1) - powered by an electricity source«; that's an ordinary iron core wound with a primary coil. The secondary coil is the closed loop with 2 to 4 windings, generating heat (the copper pipe). This coil is not completely covered by the magnetic (and electric) field because we can see a large part of it sticking out of the device. So far we have here an ordinary transformer with a shorted secondary coil. That secondary coil is connected to ground. Exactly the same configuration like the welder above, which can turn the meter in reverse.

When an electric field attracts electrons (from ground) then it attracts electrons towards itself; the field generates a hot spot of electrons. Perhaps that could mean, we have to inject (»high voltage is injector«) those electrons directly into the magnetic field (»combustion chamber«) generated by the primary coil (»low voltage is piston«). Thus, it could be a good idea to have the ground wire connected near the magnetic field coil, not at an arbitrary spot somewhere on the closed loop. When this closed loop is made of a coaxial cable (wound around an iron core, magnetized by the primary coil), the shielding connected to high voltage attracts (or repels) electrons, but on one side of the circuit the electrons are always attracted (or repelled) in the wrong direction, the electrons do not move in a full circle. This can't work. What's missing?

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2018, 11:13:25 PM »
The spark gap is simply a switch
It is often replaced by a transistor
or similar state-dependent semiconductor


The purpose is to create an oscillating signal
If a/c is used at the source, this step is already
taken care of.

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2018, 09:16:49 AM »
it is not only a switch, since it provides a massive number of frequencies and their harmonics. This is an advantage if you mean to bounce these in a coil

 

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