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Author Topic: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy  (Read 57933 times)

Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #60 on: January 08, 2018, 10:57:17 AM »
Void: »All indications are those devices drew their power directly from the grid via a ground loop«

Maybe you missed that page PESN rep witnesses Evolucoes Energia's Captor off-grid overunity: »My associate from Brazil, Fernando Lins, witnessed the Captor produce 169 kW (797 A at 212 V) while being powered from a 12-V battery through a 2,000-Watt inverter that was providing the Captor with just 1,650 W (7.5 A at 220 V) -- a gain of more than a hundred times!«

What does this tell us? First it tells us, the captor works without the grid and there is no ground loop, just a single ground wire, second it tells us, the device needs a lot of energy to produce more energy. Why is that so? Because of the closed secondary loop, like that of an arc welder transformer? A modified microwave oven transformer would fit that 1,650 W input. The higher the regular current going through that looped coil, the higher the current that comes for free caused by the captured electrons from ground?


THE PROBLEM OF INCREASING HUMAN ENERGY

Tesla: »Could we produce artificially such a "sink" for the energy of the ambient medium to flow in?«

Yes, the energy of the ambient medium is the negative charge of the electron and the artificial sink is the positive electric field (lack of electrons) produced by high voltage.

Tesla: »To make our mechanical analogy complete and true, we must, therefore, assume that the water, in its passage into the tank, is converted into something else, which may be taken out of it without using any, or by using very little, power.«

The flow of the attracted electrons is the water, the closed circuit is the tank. The magnetic field, generated by the primary coil with very little power, converts that negative charge of the electrons into a magnetic field and heat when it has passed into the closed circuit, so it can be taken out.

Repeating Tesla: »in its passage into the tank«

Literally taken, this should mean the conversion of the energy from negative charged electrons to magnetic field and heat has to take place precisely at the entry point where the electrons flow into the circuit. Hence, the positive electric field, causing the electrons to flow in, as well as the ground connection, has to be within the magnetic field, preferably at its strongest point. Unfortunately Shokac did not go further into detail regarding his transformer setup.

A primary coil on an iron core generates an alternating magnetic field. That magnetic field generates an electric current in a short-circuited secondary coil, the cathode. Right within that magnetic field a ground wire is connected to that coil. Precisely at that entry point an anode, connected to high voltage, generates a positive electric field attracting electrons from ground. The magnetic field then captures those electrons and causes them to move together with the already present electrons in the closed looped coil. At zero-crossing of the magnetic field the anode is switched off, so the previously attracted electrons can return to ground freely.

If the electric field's hot spot, generated by the anode, is outside the magnetic field, because the connection to ground - the entry point of the electrons - is located at an arbitrary place in the circuit, the electrons from ground as well as the electrons already in the circuit are attracted towards that hot spot. There is no reason for the attracted electrons to move around the short-circuited secondary coil in order to amplify the current in the loop.

Barbosa and Leal call this »Captor de Elétrons da Terra« because an electric field and a magnetic field work together to get grip on those charged electrons.

Between the cathode and the anode there is an electric field (Edwin V. Gray: »Split the Positive«), the high voltage circuit is closed through that field, not galvanically (Tom Bearden: »Don't kill the dipole«). The magnetic field creates a vibration in that electric field. Vibration means time-dependency. The magnetic field - superimposed upon the electric field - wants to move the electrons in the one direction, whereas the electric field wants partially to move the electrons in the opposite direction. Which field prevails? It looks, this is an issue of arrangement of the components like magnetic field, electric field and connections, not which components are basically used. We have an electric field closing a circuit, but it involves the time as the fourth dimension, because the high voltage circuit is not closed all the time. It can be considered open when the magnetic field is on and it can be considered closed when the magnetic field is off. In the meantime, when the magnetic field is on and the high voltage circuit is open, the attracted electrons do work nevertheless when moving through the loop driven by the initial magnetic field.

I don't know how this could be accomplished by means of an ordinary three-phase transformer. Maybe a coil of the transformer has a shorted center tapped coil connected to ground and a second coil (or some sort of shielding) which represents the anode. But I do know, if this is not working, it is either because the theory is correct to ninety-nine percent and the one missing percent prevents it from working - or maybe, that whole Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal-Captor free energy stuff is a hoax to hundred percent in its entirety; there is nothing between. There is no other choice how this can work if we want to stay on the basis »simple you'll laugh«. There is no high-end electronics involved nor are crystals or radioactive substances. We have a magnetic field and an electric field, we have voltage and current and electrons and wire and coils. We have to get along with that.


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Offline Belfior

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #61 on: January 08, 2018, 12:32:03 PM »
TK also demonstrated his device on an island far away from any electric grid

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #62 on: January 08, 2018, 12:44:42 PM »
TK also demonstrated his device on an island far away from any electric grid

There are alternative means of producing AC current at 50/60Hz.

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #63 on: January 08, 2018, 02:36:34 PM »
Void: »All indications are those devices drew their power directly from the grid via a ground loop«

Maybe you missed that page PESN rep witnesses Evolucoes Energia's Captor off-grid overunity: »My associate from Brazil, Fernando Lins, witnessed the Captor produce 169 kW (797 A at 212 V) while being powered from a 12-V battery through a 2,000-Watt inverter that was providing the Captor with just 1,650 W (7.5 A at 220 V) -- a gain of more than a hundred times!«

What does this tell us? First it tells us, the captor works without the grid and there is no ground loop, just a single ground wire, second it tells us, the device needs a lot of energy to produce more energy. Why is that so? Because of the closed secondary loop, like that of an arc welder transformer? A modified microwave oven transformer would fit that 1,650 W input. The higher the regular current going through that looped coil, the higher the current that comes for free caused by the captured electrons from ground?

Hi Zeitmaschine. No, I did not miss anything. I read through the info about Fernando's tests,
but found questionable things in what he stated. There was not enough detail provided IMO
to understand exactly what all the measurement setups were and exactly how the measurements were done,
for one thing, and some statements about estimated power where metal pipes were being
used as 'loads' seemed quite off the mark. The high current in the captor loop does not correspond
to a high output power whether it is in a thick wire or in a pipe. The output voltage on that loop
will not be 220V. It will be very low near zero volts in the high current loop, even though due to the
high current it can still produce a lot of heat in a metal pipe if a metal pipe is used as part of
the loop.

Ariovaldo has confirmed in the past that the Barbosa and Leal device he had possession of had a meter
showing the input voltage and another meter reading the current in the high current loop,
which doesn't make any sense. This would tell you nothing about the actual input power and
output power.

Also, see the following where it seems Barbosa and Leal have apparently acknowledged that their
devices were not over unity:
http://www.energeticforum.com/305282-post1727.html


I won't argue about it as I know people often tend to believe what they want to believe even
when presented with evidence that suggests otherwise.


All the best...



Offline sm0ky2

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #64 on: January 08, 2018, 02:52:03 PM »
Watch this video, it may help some understand
https://youtu.be/GAtAG938AQc


The earth could be viewed as a giant capacitor
Something of several Ferads. So large we could consider
it to be infinite capacitance, relative to our tiny capacitor.
It is viewed as a single spherical conductive plate.
We can use this or instead of ground, simply use another
conductor of smaller capacitance.


With this in mind, let us take an electri field,
insulate it, and allow it to oscillate.
We can use an existing field frequency, but let’s make our
own in a controlled setting.
Using a van de graff
We can use either the dc components, by a classical machine
The belt transferring one charge (-) to a single conductor,
and sinking the other charge to an electron source (+)


Or we can use a conventional solid-state van de graff
Which simply runs our 60hz a/c through a set of double transformers
This is usually done first through a step-down current limiter
To feed 24v volt , 60hz @ some set resistance limited current.
Then through a 1000:1 inductive transformer
To give ~24kV 60hz (-) to a low-pressure gas-filled globe.
The ground is sinked to earth as the electron source.
And pretty little spark track your finger when you touch it.


In the old-style, we have a charge that steps up and down
depending on the rate of charge and the rate of loss.


In the second, we have a pure a/c charge pulse,
accompanied by discharges of the ionized gas.


Since the external electric field can be viewed as the sum of
the charges in the field: we have (roughy) an hv monopolar
output, @60hz


We can now place a conductor in this field.
(Insulate between the old-machine, the new one already is)
and this conductor will induce a (+) charge, opposite that of
the globe.


We connect then, this conductor through a circuit
And to another conductor with a larger capacitance.
We now have a dc pulsed current @60hz
Flowing through our circuit.


Notice, the input to the van de graff has not changed
Nor has the electric field, except for the reduction caused by
Q/k (charge divided by dielectric constant of the insulator)
and the strengthening of the field caused by the charge on
the conductor. (net is an increase in electric field strength)


Now, let us go to our large conductor (+ sink) and put another
conductor and insulator on it (forming a capacitor)
and connect this to ground (- sink) or an even larger conductor....


This forms an inductive circuit the voltage and current of which
are controlled by the relative surface area of the conductors.
and the magnitude of the oscillating potential.




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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #64 on: January 08, 2018, 02:52:03 PM »
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Offline Void

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #65 on: January 08, 2018, 03:00:08 PM »
There are alternative means of producing AC current at 50/60Hz.

Hi Hoppy. If you or someone can demonstrate how someone can pull power from the grid or similar
at a distance without a direct electrical connection to the hot phase then you might have some basis
for suggesting this, but I doubt you can. I know power can be drawn from the grid through induction
if you are directly under high voltage power lines, but that is clearly not the case. I think
you are really reaching Hoppy. :) If you or someone else are going to suggest some explanation, it
should at least be something that can be shown to be plausible. :)

The story about the island demo indicates it was a fairly remote location and the location
was said to be chosen at random by the investors. If the story is accurate, then it is highly doubtful
that Kapanadze would have been able to prepare some hidden power source in advance. I don't know
if anyone independent of Kapanadze has confirmed the details of that demo however, but the video clip
that was posted by someone to Youtube seems to show that such a demo did occur, although I don't
know for certain that the posted video clip is from the same event, but it seems to at least match the
circumstances of the account of the island demo.

All the best...


Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #66 on: January 08, 2018, 03:06:37 PM »
Void: »Also, see the following where it seems Barbosa and Leal have acknowledged that their devices were not over unity«

Is that so? And they (Barbosa and Leal) were absolutely unable to figure that out way before filing FIVE PATENTS regarding their device? I would say, that smells. I rather believe that they were forced to back down. Guess by whom.

Piece of advice: If you have a free energy device and you can't make money out of it by selling the device, then the idea would be to establish your own energy company and sell the generated energy without making it public that your generators run for free and need no fuel.

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #67 on: January 08, 2018, 03:15:33 PM »
I rest my case... :)

All the best...

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #68 on: January 08, 2018, 03:47:54 PM »
Hi Hoppy. If you or someone can demonstrate how someone can pull power from the grid
or similar without a direct electrical connection to the hot phase then you might have some basis
for suggesting this, but I doubt you can. I know power can be drawn from the grid through induction
if you are directly under high voltage power lines, but that is clearly not the case. I think
you are really reaching Hoppy. :) If you or someone else are going to suggest some explanation, it
should at least be something that can be shown to be plausible. :)


Hi Void,

The alternative method I was referring to was the use of a petrol generator or similar. TK's team would have had easy access to one or more of these in his neck of the woods  ;)

Drawing power without direct connection to the grid 'hot' phase is feasible where there exists a sufficient potential difference between grid grounding points but this is most unlikely to be how TK's contraptions were powered. Its more likely that in his garden demos, he made a direct connection to the grid 'hot' phase and returned direct to earth ground, or used a remote located generator.

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #69 on: January 08, 2018, 04:28:20 PM »
Hi Void,
The alternative method I was referring to was the use of a petrol generator or similar. TK's team would have had easy access to one or more of these in his neck of the woods  ;)
Drawing power without direct connection to the grid 'hot' phase is feasible where there exists a sufficient potential difference between grid grounding points but this is most unlikely to be how TK's contraptions were powered. Its more likely that in his garden demos, he made a direct connection to the grid 'hot' phase and returned direct to earth ground, or used a remote located generator.

Hi Hoppy. In order for someone to see those explanations as plausible, they would
have to ignore a lot of the already established facts and other evidence about Kapanadze's
demonstrations. Sorry, but that all seems quite far fetched to me given what we do know about
several of Kapanadze's different demonstrations.

In the green box demonstration, people were standing right there and participating and checking the wires
when the ground connections were made. Kapanadze was said to have been asked by one of the participants
to specifically create the second independent earth ground using the buried car radiator because they wanted
to make sure that there was nothing fishy with the earth ground connection using the water pipe connection.

In that video Kapanadze's device worked with both the water pipe connection and also worked when connected
to the car radiator earth ground, which the participants there could confirm did not have any tricks because they
saw it being made and connected right in front of them and participated in it. When all the evidence from the
different Kapanadze demonstrations are taken fully into account, it seems to me to stand up pretty well to reasonable
scrutiny. This is why I say that though these various demonstration videos alone may not be taken as concrete proof,
when all the known details are taken into account from the various different demonstrations, it seems to be at least fairly
credible evidence that Kapanadze's devices may possibly really be doing what he claims they do. On the other hand, I have
so far never seen any credible evidence of trickery used by Kapanadze beyond unfounded hearsay and speculation.


All the best...



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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #70 on: January 08, 2018, 04:42:07 PM »

In the green box demonstration, people were standing right there and participating and checking the wires
when the ground connections were made. Kapanadze was said to have been asked by one of the participants
to specifically create the second independent earth ground using the buried car radiator because they wanted
to make sure that there was nothing fishy with the earth ground connection using the water pipe connection.


Hi Void,

Why would there have been anything fishy with the earth connections with the power switched-off?

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #71 on: January 08, 2018, 04:55:22 PM »
Why Tesla coil generate high voltage but not high amperage ? If you ask correct question you will get correct answer

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #72 on: January 08, 2018, 05:00:23 PM »
Hi Void,
Why would there have been anything fishy with the earth connections with the power switched-off?

Hi Hoppy. I hope you are joking. :) When you take the various different demonstrations into account including
the aquarium II demo, the Turkey demo, the claimed remote island demo, etc., it seems very unlikely that they
all could have used a hidden power wire. That seems very far fetched at best to me personally given all the known
circumstances of those different demos. You would have to accept that all the different potential investors and
participants in all those demos were all in on the scam, or they were all complete morons.  :) Anyway, I don't
want to hijack this thread further responding repeatedly to baseless and far fetched speculations about hidden
power wires, etc.  If you have some credible evidence of fraud then post it, otherwise I think it is not reasonable
at all to assume such was the case given all the known details about the different demos, which I think stand up pretty
well to scrutiny when all the details are taken into account as a whole. This is of course just my own personal opinion. :)


All the best...


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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #73 on: January 08, 2018, 05:17:09 PM »
Hi Void,

A magician can pull many things from his hat. We are getting into an endless loop exchange which we need to terminate. Let's wait and see if Wottsup can expand on his voltage layering idea.

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #74 on: January 08, 2018, 09:43:17 PM »
Energy of every generator is taken from magnetic field not from mechanical energy which is wasted to break the force of magnetic attraction of ferromagnetic cores.
Energy in every transformer is taken from magnetic field not from the electric field of primary winding, because the secondary is used to control the flux inside the core which control the impedance to the primary source of electric field.
Here Melnichenko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8c82ABs02M
he was close to understand as Kapanadze said.
also here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LLPGbf87aU

 

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