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Title: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 21, 2017, 06:05:17 PM
INTRODUCTION

The following notes are intended as an aid to cut the Gordian knot regarding the free energy devices of Tariel Kapanadze, Arkady Anatolievich Stepanov, Nilson Barbosa, Cleriston De Moraes Leal and some other inventors. I'm convinced that the principle of work - the modus operandi - of all those devices is basically the same and can already be found (somewhere hidden) in the fora, the internet, the patents. Although the outcome is still uncertain while writing these lines, there will be an outcome anyway: either (preferred) a working device - at least some unconventional circuitry behavior - or the realization that most likely the following citations, clues and conceptions are just gibberish par excellence. Whatever the case may be, reading between the lines and thinking outside the box can help quite a lot, because the principle of work could be straightforward to such an extent, that it is almost impossible to get the idea. So, good luck, be careful, don't get confused and here we go!


A COLLECTION OF GUNTIS/COSMOLV STATEMENTS

1) Tariel said, the device is very simple;

2) 220V goes in and 220V goes out; 50Hz;

3) everything is in the coil setup - actually in windings; it is a bifilar coil but in non-standard way, closed looped by itself;

4) all magic happens between coils; trigger coil is the output power coil; try to put your mind back to those years; no semiconductors, no RadioShack - nothing, just wires and transformers;

5) most important thing is to generate sharp pulses;

6) device is not transformer but choke where high voltage - no more than 2000 volts - produces light ionization; what you need is little high voltage to give birth to new electrons and lots of electrons forming around the wires, the second thing is to activate these electrons;

7) a static field or ionization is also called a dead magnetic field, but we can convert this field to perform work;

8) high voltage in specific frequency creates a dead magnetic field; if we synchronize this high voltage with the low voltage half-wave, then we can turn the core in an electric generator and it works like a combustion engine;

9) high voltage is injector and low voltage is piston, magnetic field is combustion chamber;

10) when impulses are generated, a magnetic field is created in a bifilar coil, so in total you have one source, but in fact you have resonant magnetic generator with two fields;

11) it is not enough to loop electricity through coils, you need to interact with medium (make a bridge); but remember always and always this is manipulation with time;

12) ions are attracted by ionization, this high voltage field is magnetized with vibrations and we get a very powerful magnetic field and this field is the outside power; energy is received on coil through magnetic field, not electrical or electrostatic;

13) this device is not a toy, it has a great ability to change our lives and it needs to be done in a smart way; we need to think globally; if anybody release schematics government takes fast control of it, it will be turned as illegal immediately; actually the effect in this device is very specific magnetic field, the technology by itself is like atomic reaction, but without pollution of radiation; BUT ... this magnetic field, if you make it stronger, it can kill you in seconds or, if you make it stronger, it can cause an effect like an atomic bomb; you cannot change the world or change the rules of our governments. With this device YES you can! Free Energy is only one side of it, other side is the most powerful weapon in human history after Nuclear Power! By the way, nuclear power sits far back compared to this (Free Energy) principle; it generates its own magnetic field which is not dependent of earths fields, without earth grounding the device produces too much power, but this is different story which is not related to Free Energy, there are more things, not only Free Energy ...


LET'S SEE IF WE CAN CATCH THE MEANING OF THOSE STATEMENTS

An alternating electrostatic field is exposed to an alternating magnetic field, in a way, that this electrostatic field converts into a magnetic field, strengthening the initial magnetic field, thus leading to an even higher rate of the electrostatic to magnetic field conversion (cf. Karl Linde's self-cooling method for liquefying air). A positive feedback that could indeed lead to the destruction of the device. Achievable with 19th century electric parts. Nowadays most likely the advanced component we would use to get the mentioned half-wave synchronization is a diode bridge comprising four semiconductor diodes, because they are far easier to handle than four vacuum tubes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleming_valve). Moreover, due to the fact that the device is very simple, constructing a three-phase one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_UAPqNmNMo) should be no major issue.


BUT APPARENTLY THERE IS STILL SOMETHING IMPORTANT MISSING

Guntis (http://www.energeticforum.com/139097-post156.html) on May 02, 2011, 12:55 AM: »[...] vibrating this medium with certain frequency you get a pattern in this medium«

What pattern, what frequency?

Thanks to the stuff hidden under Stepanov's cardboard box we can now fill in that missing part: It is a Frequency Doubler Circuit (http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg472827/#msg472827). This should be the upper left part in Kapanadze's mysterious patent drawings WO2008103129A1 (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/WO2008103129A1.pdf) and WO2008103130A1 (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/WO2008103130A1.pdf); as it looks, the first patent was not misdirecting sufficiently, so Kapanadze filed quickly a second one. Points (3) should be the diode bridge, a diode bridge like from a car alternator (http://overunity.com/16508/new-april-2016-video-from-kapanadze-shows-again-kwatts-of-free-energy/msg481733/#msg481733), not(!) distributor of an engine. A diode bridge that is also called »the Moray valve«, because most likely Moray's device (https://web.archive.org/web/20160604030152/http://www.kennsplace.com/re_device/Speech at Valley State College Northridge California 1962.pdf) was based on the same physical principle.

The Kapanadze patents are mainly nonsense, but nonetheless they contain some grains of truth:

Original quotation: »First circuit is designed for generating electricity by transferring the electro magnetic field occurred at the first bobbin with the electric energy received from the independent initial power supply, to second bobbin. And as the second circuit; Due to the high magnetic field received from the first bobbin, there occurs a magnetic field difference between the bobbins. The magnetic field difference occurred between the second bobbin and first bobbin stabilized by the help of frequency stabilizer within this circuit line. As stabilizing the magnetic field difference by the help of frequency stabilizer, this circuit line also converts the energy which is moving independently in the air at the second bobbin designed within this line to electric energy.«

Now the supplemented quotation: First circuit is designed for generating electricity by transferring the electromagnetic field occurred at the first transformer (high voltage at 100Hz), with the electric energy received from an inverter or the grid, to second transformer (actually a bifilar coil, a choke). As for the second circuit, due to the high magnetic field (the dead magnetic field) received from the first transformer (at 100Hz), there occurs a magnetic field difference (the parametric resonance pattern) between the transformers. The magnetic field difference occurred between the second transformer and first transformer is stabilized (phase-locked) by the help of frequency stabilizer (diode bridge frequency doubler) within this circuit line. As stabilizing the magnetic field difference by the help of a second frequency stabilizer (spark gap firing at 100Hz), this circuit line also converts the energy (by means of a short circuited coil, the current amplifier), which is moving independently in the air (the ionization), at the second transformer (the bifilar choke), designed within this line, to electric energy.

Quotation from Presentation 2005 (http://tarielkapanadze.ru/Kapanadze2005eng.htm): »Necessary primary and secondary coils. Primary pulse is applied to the primary coil. And here arises the electromagnetic pulse is transmitted to the secondary coil. Resonance occurs, and the secondary coil begins to receive energy from the space.«

Supplemented quotation: Necessary primary and secondary coils (bifilar choke). Primary pulse (sharp high voltage pulses, 100Hz, phase-locked) is applied to the primary coil (forming a closed circuit with itself). And here arises the electromagnetic pulse (generated by captured electrons circling in the loop) is transmitted to the secondary coil (magnetically through the iron core). Resonance occurs, and the secondary coil (choke connected to load and ground) begins to receive energy from the space (the aether).


THE BIG CLUE

a.king21 (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg332229/#msg332229) on August 15, 2012, 01:05 AM: »Again I think the 2004 video is a big clue. It is almost as if he wants to erase it but cannot, so he tries to make us forget about it.«

There is another interesting - better: highly misleading - point related to the frequency doubler circuit: Besides a diode bridge and a capacitor, that kind of frequency doubler circuit needs a power resistor, rated at least 50 watts, in the scope of 500 to 2000 ohms mounted on a heat sink. Therefore the question: Where can we see that resistor in Kapanadze's 2004 (big clue) video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r99g4mjEvTE)? On those black heat sinks? Two of them? Are there resistors available looking like silver transistors, like those transistors in the green box video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZeNR0zR_fQ) on the very same black heat sinks? No, there are no such kind of resistors! But ... I can't find one single frame(!) in the 2004 video that shows clearly any silver transistors on those black heat sinks. Furthermore, each heat sink in the 2004 video is connected with two(!) wires only.

What does that mean? It simply means: In the 2004 workbench setup there are no such transistors! It's an illusion. An illusion created by the two transistors on the green box, here clearly connected with three wires. In the 2004 workbench setup there are RESISTORS on the heat sinks, NOT transistors; resistors needed in order to double the 50Hz frequency. Thus, the transistors in the green box video are a decoy, they do nothing. Here the needed resistors maybe hidden below the heat sinks or within the green box itself.

The measurement of the input amperes in the 2004 and green box video shows 0.5A; this calculates to 220V times 0.5A = 110W. What is it, that mainly consumes those 110 watts? Answer: the power resistors on the heat sinks. Actually there should be a more sophisticated solution to generate high voltage at twice the base frequency. But it's good enough for testing.

By the way, the transformer on the workbench seems to be just an isolation transformer to make the diode bridge and the capacitor look like being parts of an ordinary DC power supply.


ANTI-GRAVITY

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg312925/#msg312925) on February 15, 2012, 08:03 PM: »By increasing frequency of spark gap [...] can be achieved different types and characteristics of magnetic field - up to gravity effects«

I see. A car that runs already on free energy would be a lot more enjoyable if it could hover freely above the ground in addition. Hence, increasing the frequency of the spark gap means what? Increasing the frequency of the high voltage as well as the frequency of the low voltage? So, as the high and the low voltage is phase-locked to each other, the high voltage stays twice the frequency of the low voltage, regardless of the low voltage (magnetic field) frequency. Generating a small amount of anti-gravity seems already be possible with a mechanical device (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Taj4VA1L_vw), then why not trying it electrically, without moving parts? (cf. Abraham force, Biefeld-Brown effect, Boyd Bushman effect, etc.)

Therefore, as a first test, wrap an iron core with coaxial cable (that's the non-standard bifilar coil, actually a very long concentric capacitor; not ruling out that some kind of ordinary bifilar wire could also be sufficient; not sure yet, see below), use the inner conductor as choke, connect it to the load as well as to the 220V input from grid or inverter (between phase and ground), close loop the shielding (braid) of the coaxial cable and connect it to a high voltage source via a spark gap, then run the high voltage generator phase-locked at twice the input frequency by means of a frequency doubler circuit in order to get the synchronized (half-wave) vibrations. Typically the shielding of a coaxial cable connects to ground (negative), here it connects to high voltage positive (reason for this see below).

Don't know if this idea is smart enough, but the most interesting thing now would be to observe how the government tries to turn a simple iron core wrapped with equally simple wires into an illegal device - even if it could act like an atomic bomb.

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg305184/#msg305184) on November 11, 2011, 03:13 AM: »I know how Tariel device working and i know how to build it [...]«

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg312806/#msg312806) on February 14, 2012, 07:18 PM: »This technology need to be first in our hands widely than army or government. How to do this? by letting crack this up individually by little help [...]«


NILSON BARBOSA AND CLERISTON LEAL DEVICE

»Os captores de elétrons podem gerar energia em qualquer parte do circuito elétrico de acordo a necessidade do projeto seja em baixa, média ou alta tensão, este acontecimento possibilita a integração da geração de energia elétrica entre consumidores, concessionaria e as usinas geradoras. A energia elétrica também pode ser gerada no meio e/ou no fim da rede, no qual o consumidor é o fim, o meio são as concessionárias de energia elétrica, mas sempre dependeram da força inicial das usinas geradoras.« (website (https://web.archive.org/web/20130902021714/http://energiauniversal.eco.br:80/) no longer exists; wonder why)

Translation: »Electron captors can generate energy in any part of the electrical circuit according to whether the project needs to be in low, medium or high voltage, this fact allows the integration of electricity generation between consumers, utilities and generating plants. Electricity can also be generated in the middle and/or at the end of the grid, in which the consumer is the end, the medium is the electric utility, but always depended on the initial power of the generating plants.«

»O captor gera energia elétrica através da movimentação de partículas elétricas em constante movimento, independente de estarem realizando trabalho ou não. Ao serem ligadas as cargas, surge um dipolo magnético no circuito captor/terra, fazendo com que a corrente gerada e usada para realização de trabalho seja injetada na rede, pela fase, em forma de energia elétrica ativa correspondente à mesma potência de consumo das cargas. Este efeito possibilita a integração da geração de energia elétrica entre consumidores, concessionárias e usinas geradoras.« (website (https://web.archive.org/web/20131006224738/http://energiauniversal.eco.br:80/) no longer exists; wonder why)

Translation: »The captor generates electric energy through the movement of electric particles in constant motion, regardless of whether they are doing work or not. When the loads are connected, a magnetic dipole arises in the earth/captor circuit, causing the current generated and used to perform work to be injected into the network, by the phase, in the form of active electric energy corresponding to the same power consumption of the loads. This effect enables the integration of electricity generation among consumers, concessionaires and generating plants.«


ARKADY STEPANOV TRANSFORMER

»Наш разговор начинается с демонстрации устройства. Аркадий включает в сеть простейшую цепь, состоящую из большой лампы накаливания и счётчика, который показывает, сколько энергии лампа берёт из сети (500 Вт). Потом в эту цепь Аркадий добавляет ещё одно звено - изобретённый им резонансный усилитель. Что меняется? Лампа горит также ярко, а вот показания счётчика стали значительно ниже - на табло значение 42 Вт.« (x-faq.ru (http://x-faq.ru/index.php?topic=1316.0))

Translation: »Our conversation begins with a demonstration of the device. Arkady includes a simple circuit consisting of a large incandescent lamp and a meter, which shows how much energy the lamp consumes from the network (500 W). Then in this circuit Arkady adds one more element - the resonant amplifier he invented. What is changing? The lamp is equally bright, but the meter reading is much lower - the value is 42 Watts.«

Both of those descriptions sound also like a choke device connected plainly between the phase and neutral of the grid (or inverter), powering a load. Likewise Kapanadze's first devices depended on the initial power of the inverter as well. By way of illustration, the resonating coil receives a weak impulse (push) from the inverter and answers with a more powerful impulse (maybe phase-shifted) each half-wave at 50Hz, e.g. the inverter supplies the coil with an impulse of one watt, whereupon the coil echos an impulse of ten watts (creating negative impedance). Like a combustion engine, where a small ignition spark triggers an explosion (powered by gasoline instead of the aether), providing a multiple of the initial energy needed for the spark.

As a side note, both of the following two half sentences do actually mean the same:

Barbosa-Leal: »[...] electric energy corresponding to the same power consumption of the loads.« (see above)
Kapanadze: »[...] in accordance with the need and maintains the energy to be ready to be used.« (see patent)


EDWIN V. GRAY TUBE

US4595975 - Efficient power supply suitable for inductive loads (https://www.google.com/patents/US4595975): »When the low-voltage anode 32 is connected to a source of current, an arc is created in the spark-gap designated 62 of the conversion switching element tube equivalent to the potential stored on the high-voltage anode, and the current available from the low-voltage anode. [...] Within the conversion switching element tube, this energy is absorbed by the grids 34a and 34b mounted circumferentially about the interior of the tube.«

Here the crucial finding is: Not the Gray motor is the special part but the Gray tube. As one can see in the slightly revised patent drawing below, that Gray tube is technically a concentric capacitor (http://overunity.com/17036/the-concentric-capacitor-key-to-the-kapanadze-device-and-similar-fe-concepts/) charged with high voltage. As soon as the spark gap fires a high current runs through the center wire (the center plate) and creates a strong magnetic field, converting the electrostatic field between the plates into a magnetic field. But this method of generating a magnetic field seems to be not too efficient. The more preferred strategy should be, to extremely lengthen the Gray tube until it equals a coaxial cable and then to wrap it around an iron core, adding one more dimension to the concentric capacitor (»I always liked holographic images« - cosmoLV), in order to maximize the generated magnetic field and at the same time minimizing the required current.

That means, the grids (34a and 34b) represent the inner conductor of the coaxial cable, whereas the shield of the coaxial cable (most likely not vice versa) is connected to a spark gap (or a spark gap substitute) that can create sharp high voltage pulses. Since - contrary to the tube grids - the inner conductor of the coaxial cable has two ends, it can be used to magnetize the iron core and simultaneously serve as an output coil which can directly power a load.


MORE FORUM RESEARCH

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg304780/#msg304780) shows a drawing of some pipes looking like coaxial cables on November 08, 2011, 12:23 AM: »why nobody see at Linde's device which Tariel shows at end of green box video?«

stivep (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg311433/#msg311433) on February 03, 2012, 02:56 AM: »I would like you to revisit series of videos of mine from Georgia, coaxial cable was used there«

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg311434/#msg311434) admits indirectly the option of coaxial cable on February 03, 2012, 03:41 AM: »coaxial cable reveals nothing without understanding what you are doing«

stivep (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg311471/#msg311471) gets close (too close?) to the principle of work on February 03, 2012, 03:50 PM: »All purpose is to have HV impulse present in coax but not in inner wire as shield would normally shield the EMF. But what about electrostatics hm?«

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg311494/#msg311494) suddenly denies the utilization of coaxial cables on February 03, 2012, 10:38 PM: »[...] there are no coaxial cables [...] About transparent box: There also are no coaxial cables in any case!«

a.king21 (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg333265/#msg333265) on August 23, 2012, 02:28 AM: »[...] Kapanadze was panicking because he could not get coaxial cable from his regular supplier [...] His device desperately needs about 5 meters at least of braid between 2 - 5 mm for his device to function. Without it, he cannot build his device. [...] What is interesting is that he uses braid [pletionka (https://www.google.de/search?q=pletionka&hl=en&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch)] for the earth lead. But more importantly is the use of braid inside the device.«

So, what was missing at that time? First, wrap a suitable coaxial cable around an iron core (soft iron, not ferrite); a coil running at 50Hz must have an iron core in order to do anything useful with that 50Hz. Second, supply the shielding of the coaxial cable with sharp HV pulses at 100Hz. 50Hz goes in and 50Hz goes out, so I can't see any reason why the high voltage should be running at a higher frequency than 100Hz and why no soft iron core should be used. In 2010, as a matter of fact, the forum was almost at the finish line (Shokac (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg260600/#msg260600): »Try this setup«) ... then the forum derailed.

Here a question comes up: We need air (or other gaseous medium) in order to have something to ionize - assuming the insulation coating of a wire can't be ionized adequately, if at all. Hence, is there enough air present in a coaxial cable for ionization? Or would it be a better choice to have simply two wires wound as bifilar coil with a lot of air between the windings? Or what about utilizing the braid inclusive coating of a 5mm coaxial cable but inserting the inner wire inclusive coating taken from a 2mm coaxial cable (or any ordinary thin insulated wire) in order to have more air between the inner wire and the outer shielding? This depends on how much capacity between the coils is needed. Maybe we do not need any capacity at all, just ionization. This is still unclear at this point. Also unclear so far: is the denying of the utilization of coaxial cable the distraction or is it the pointing to it?

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg258868/#msg258868) on September 28, 2010, 06:02 PM: »wires need to be with isolation, this is great for spacing, you need usual electric wire - not magnet wire.«

cosmo-lv (http://www.energeticforum.com/99125-post184.html) on June 13, 2010, 07:58 PM: Ionization leads to »lots of electrons forming around the wires«, which then leads to the question: Wouldn't it be much better to have electrons around a wire, namely the anode circuit, without insulation? Further, wouldn't it also be much better to have multiple bare wires combined to one conductor surrounded by ionized air, in order to have a surface area as large as possible in direct contact with that ionized air? But is winding a coil with a bare wire a good idea? And here we are back to the shielding braid of a coaxial cable. First, it consists of multiple bare wires, second, it is coated, but only on the outside. On the inside there is a lot of room for ionized air in direct contact with the surface of all the single strands of the braid. Is this the reason why Kapanadze reportedly needs coaxial cable to build his device? The shielding is the anode the inner conductor the cathode - not vice versa?

Of course, if the inner conductor is the cathode, then there has to be an insulation - a coating - between this inner conductor and the surrounding shielding. But how can electrons from the grounded cathode travel to the anode through a non-conductive coating? Answer: they cannot. The electric field, which ionizes the air, attracts electrons located in that ionized air (»Energy comes from air« - cosmo-lv) towards and into the bare anode (the coaxial shielding), whereas the same electric field attracts the ions towards the cathode (the inner coaxial wire) but not into it due to the coating. Nonetheless that surplus of positively charged ions around the cathode's coating should attract negatively charged electrons from ground towards the load circuit - the choke, but not necessarily through the load itself.

That video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMkYC3A76WY) of mine about that 100Hz phase-locked high voltage transformer was close, but then I didn't really know what to do with that voltage. This Phobos schematic (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg356549/#msg356549) was also very close, but after that it was (therefore?) removed from the Russian forum (У вас нет разрешения на доступ к этой странице - You do not have permission to access this page) and completely ignored in the overunity forum.

cosmo-lv (http://www.energeticforum.com/99159-post189.html) on June 14, 2010, 12:26 AM: »there are 3 things who driving FE Device; without all 3 factors together - you cannot get anything!«

According to the latest findings those three mysterious things should be: (1) Sharp high voltage pulses generate an electric field and thereby ionization (2) that electric field is surrounded by an alternating magnetic field (3) whereby the frequency of the electric field has to be twice the frequency of the alternating magnetic field.

Optional it could be: (1) A cathode and an anode on an iron core (2) the cathode is a coil generating an initial magnetic field, the anode is a short circuited coil that collects electrons (3) the electrons then circulate in that anode coil and thereby generate a strong magnetic field.


BARBOSA-LEAL AND TESTATICA

And here the question arises, how does Methernitha's Thesta Distatica machine generate an alternating magnetic field in addition to the static electric field generated by the Wimshurst wheels? Don't know yet. Or maybe it is sufficient to have a permanent magnetic field in specific cases? Quote from Barbosa-Leal patent WO2013104042 - Electromagnetic device for capturing electrons from the ground to generate electricity (http://www.google.com/patents/WO2013104042A1?cl=pt): »[...] if the power source is alternating current - AC, the captor supplies alternating current - AC power. If the power source is direct current - DC, the captor supplies direct current - DC.« Therefore, does that mean neither an alternating current is required nor is an alternating magnetic field, but it will not hurt either if it is alternating nonetheless? Of course, neither the Barbosa-Leal patent nor the Kapanadze patent tells us something about high voltage pulses at 100Hz frequency. But then, what could happen when the power source is DC? It creates an electromagnet (solenoid) which the Barbosa-Leal patent describes as an »electromagnetic field generating device - without a core or at least one core«. Now basically we have a simple electromagnet, maybe with an iron core or not but bifilar wound (maybe with coaxial cable). So, what could happen when the first coil (the magnetic field generating one) is connected to ground and the second coil (the short circuited one) is hit by high voltage pulses through a spark gap with an arbitrary frequency (since the base frequency is zero)? Could the capacity between those coils generate any unusual effect? According to the textbooks, DC can generate a permanent magnetic field, but a permanent magnetic field can't generate DC (would be nice though). But can a short circuited coil hit by high voltage pulses be consider as DC? If we place a permanent magnet in a coil (instead of an iron core), nothing happens, there is no electromagnetic induction as long as the magnet doesn't move. However, if we place a permanent magnet in a bifilar coil, one coil forming a closed circuit with itself and hit by high voltage sparks, then what happens to the other coil? Will it generate energy (voltage and current) in correlation with the energy supplied by the spark, or will there be a surplus of energy that can be drawn from that coil? Experiments should tell ...


CONFUSING STUFF

There are four more patents filed by Barbosa and Leal, all with the same dates (Priority date Jan 13, 2012; Filing date Jan 11, 2013; Publication date Jul 18, 2013):

WO2013104039 - Equipment for condensing electric current and equipment for transmitting electric current through air (https://www.google.com/patents/WO2013104039A1?cl=pt)
WO2013104040 - Electric energy generation system (https://www.google.com/patents/WO2013104040A1?cl=pt)
WO2013104041 - Electromagnetic device for capturing free space electrons to generate electricity (https://www.google.com/patents/WO2013104041A1?cl=pt)
WO2013104043 - Electric energy generation system with feedback (https://www.google.com/patents/WO2013104043A1?cl=pt)

Strange: Patent WO2013104043 shows a simple feedback loop constructed around the »electron capturing element« (the free energy device) described in patent WO2013104042. What could be the value of filing a patent of a feedback loop when a patent of a free energy device has already been filed? Such a loop should be prior art anyway. Patent WO2013104040 seems to be also about a feedback loop. Here it's an electric motor that drives a generator which is connected to the motor. I would bet, first this is nothing new, second it will not work if the goal is to generate a surplus of energy (at least it is unnecessarily complicated). Further, patent WO2013104039 shows a rotating disk of some kind claiming to be capable of »transmitting electric current through air«, whereas patent WO2013104041 shows two hollow metal half-spheres claiming to be capable of »capturing free space electrons to generate electricity«. Curiously Barbosa and Leal never presented such (or alike) devices in public.

There are also some odd patents around, filed by Arkady A. Stepanov. Unfortunately, all those patents have nothing to do with the transformer device presented in the videos, namely the workshop demonstration (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8zSMXMo2hs) and this multiple device setup (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDRTdTJTgGc) including the cardboard box (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3O2JahD67o) hiding a frequency doubler circuit. In chronological order:

RU86 364 - ПРЕОБРАЗОВАТЕЛЬ ЭНЕРГИИ (Energy converter) (http://www1.fips.ru/fips_servl/fips_servlet?DB=RUPM&rn=9283&DocNumber=86364&TypeFile=html)
WO2011053188 - Combined rectifier (https://www.google.com/patents/WO2011053188A1?cl=en)
WO2011145975 - Autonomous electrical power supply source with a recharging function using one rechargeable battery (https://www.google.com/patents/WO2011145975A1?cl=en)
WO2013039415 - Resonant transducer (https://www.google.com/patents/WO2013039415A1?cl=en)

Since most of the content of those patents look like utter nonsense (maybe I'm in error), my best guess so far is, all those patents have only one purpose: to create confusion. In one patent there are two transformers connected in series with a diode (half-wave rectifier) also in series. The patent claims reducing losses during conversion of alternating current into direct current. Although the schematic looks straight forward, there was never a working device replication presented by anyone that proves any reduction of losses. Actually the best assumption is, that this schematic will not work at all. Conclusion: If one Stepanov patent is obvious nonsense, then most likely all others Stepanov patents are also nonsense. The question therefore: Who gave Stepanov the order to file those non-working patents? Who is interested in the creation of confusion? Who is interested in ridiculing a working overunity transformer by means of witless schematics? Stepanov, the inventor?

Continuing with some contradicting statements from cosmoLV. First, the frequency should be in kHz range, not 50Hz, over 3000V, but at a later time, no mixing of frequencies, then suddenly, it is no more than 2000V at 50Hz. Yes, at all costs avoid any hint pointing to the correct high voltage frequency of 100Hz (120Hz). Since that frequency is derived from the 50Hz (60Hz) grid frequency and phase-locked, there is indeed »no mixing of frequencies« in some sense. So, because »the coil resonates itself« (cosmoLV) it will resonate with 50Hz and 100Hz (2nd harmonic) but not with 50Hz and some kHz non-phase-locked. Tariel Kapanadze: »I have simply found a method, which automatically adjusts a resonance between primary and secondary coils.« The secondary coil is the coaxial cable inner wire, the primary coil is the coaxial cable shielding (closed looped) - or maybe primary and secondary coils named vise versa - or maybe a standard bifilar wire coil.

cosmo-lv (http://www.energeticforum.com/98840-post150.html) on June 11, 2010, 03:04 AM: »this one works in 50 Hz; No way to get free energy device; you need frequency something around 21 - 35 kHz with small simple HV transformer with 3000v - 6000v«

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg312925/#msg312925) on February 15, 2012, 08:03 PM: »No more than 2000 triggered volts in frequency of 50Hz«

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg314848/#msg314848) on March 09, 2012, 03:12 AM: »There is no mixing of frequencies«

No surprise, this created a lot of confusion among replicators.

cosmo-lv (http://www.energeticforum.com/99056-post172.html) on June 13, 2010, 12:39 PM: »the coil outside the green Tariel's device is real transformer who transforms two processes into one«

This would be odd, because in the green box video Kapanadze clearly says »resonator is inside« the green box. Also there is no such coil in later devices. That could mean, either cosmo-lv spreads deliberately false information, or, although knowing the working principle, he does not know the functionality of the Kapanadze device components in detail. However, transforming two processes into one could be correct. Anyhow, the deception goes on and we have to pick further relevant statements out of the misleading garbage:

cosmo-lv (http://www.energeticforum.com/97533-post31.html) on June 02, 2010, 02:06 PM: »no Semiconductors [...] just wires and transformers [...] about microchips - they don't need at all.«

Vacuum tubes working as diodes seem to be allowed. But essentially cosmo-lv says: No modern transistors are needed. That's correct, there are indeed no transistors in Kapanadze's 2004 setup. Congratulations!

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg278542/#msg278542) on March 20, 2011, 03:23 AM: »This is only a part of device schematics - i will not release all in one, but this part is real, no jokes no hides«

Truly no jokes? A real schematic with transistors? The same transistors explicitly not needed a few months ago? And now even a microchip is required? What happened? Was the forum straight on track and could step by step have soon arrived at a working device, so it was time to derail the forum (again)?

We can only speculate why one and the same individual at one time points the correct way, but at another time misleads in a completely wrong direction. Schizophrenia perhaps? And here we are and still waiting for the promised »big turn in history« in summer 2011 (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg281234/#msg281234).


(End of part one)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 21, 2017, 06:08:27 PM
(Part two)

DIGGING OUT ADDITIONAL POSTS OF INTEREST

verpies (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg305037/#msg305037) on November 10, 2011, 01:35 AM about the yoke-device (https://pesn.com/archive/2011/11/04/9501946_Massive_OU_Claimed_in_Freaky_Pre-Halloween_Video/index.html): »Yes, it would seem impossible with the 15turn coil alone, because at 50Hz this coil has such a low impedance that it appears as a short circuit to the weak signal generator.«

My to cents: If we want to power five 1kW incandescent light bulbs, then this would be exactly what we need, namely a 50Hz coil that has a very low impedance, seen from the load (light bulbs), but a high impedance, seen from the weak signal generator (grid or inverter).

stivep (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg304457/#msg304457) on November 05, 2011, 02:11 PM: »it became apparent that the fireballs (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/esp_tesla_20.htm) resulted from the interaction of two frequencies, a stray higher frequency wave imposed on the lower frequency oscillations of the main circuit [...] DOES IT RING THE BELL FOR YOU?«

Yes, it rang the bell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG1RhxmrpcM) a while ago, but not too many seem to be interested in that ringing bell so far.

The lower frequency oscillation is 50Hz, the higher frequency is 100Hz, the latter generated by means of a frequency doubler circuit. Since we do not want fireballs (I guess), there is no need to have Tesla coils running at some kHz. What we want is a coil that generates a strong magnetic field, so the result is an output of 220V/50Hz at very low impedance.

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg258005/#msg258005) on September 22, 2010, 04:58 AM: »you need to think in visual way [...] I always liked holographic images«

verpies (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg305088/#msg305088) on November 10, 2011, 11:55 AM: »In a conventionally AC pulsed toroid inductor a Longitudinal Coil magnetizes the ferrimagnetic core 1-dimensionally only along its circumference, thus the domains do not have the motivation to make a full 2D rotation and their movements resemble the back-and-forth rotary oscillation of clock's balance wheel. However the 90deg. out of phase orthogonal magnetic fields, can cause bulk 2D domain rotation and the simultaneous E-field between the parallel copper strips that is perpendicular to both of these magnetic fields can create complex unconventional 3D EM effects.«

Holographic images and 3D EM effects? Nice coincidence. So, that suggests, the inner wire of the coaxial cable is the »Longitudinal Coil« and the shielding of the coaxial cable (or standard bifilar wire) then creates an electric field (»a dead magnetic field«) that converts to a »90deg. out of phase orthogonal magnetic field« due to the magnetic field generated by the inner wire (longitudinal) coil, and so we can get complex unconventional effects.

cosmo-lv (http://www.energeticforum.com/98627-post108.html) on June 09, 2010, 04:00 AM: »Everything is in the coil setup - actually in windings. The resonance is not that resonance who everybody seeking. Coil resonate itself and make some magnetic fluctuations. Coil not running with TV HV transformers.«

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg265125/#msg265125) on November 24, 2010, 04:22 PM: »principle in schematic above is 80% of device [...] just think with head and don't make NASA Shuttle! all device is simpler than you even imagine!!!!«

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg304868/#msg304868) on November 08, 2011, 01:09 PM: »You can work on resonant LC circuits - but it never give you a free energy«

Now my reasoning: The Stepanov overunity transformer makes use of the same basic physical principle as the Kapanadze device. That Stepanov transformer is a three-phase transformer. Hence, if everything is in the coil setup and that coil setup is self-resonating (not classic LC resonance), then perhaps it wouldn't be the worst idea to take a closer look at the windings of some three-phase power transformers. Are such transformers wound with coaxial cable? The answer is NO ... but ...


A CLOSER LOOK AT THREE-PHASE TRANSFORMERS

Concerning Transformer Winding types (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yRu-a9HjXI): »[...] as a current to be handled becomes larger, the complexity of such windings increases. A large current requires a large cross-sectional area, thus eddy current loss also becomes high. For this reason two or more conductors connected in parallel have to be used to reduce eddy current loss.«

So, if a coil actually consists of two electrically insulated wires, then we can call this a bifilar coil (a coaxial cable is a special form of a bifilar wire). And it seems, this is the solution to the puzzle how Kapanadze, Stepanov and Barbosa-Leal (and maybe others) came to their devices in the first place: A bifilar coil wound on an iron(!) core, one coil pulsed with high voltage generated by one of the other high voltage coils of the same (or a different) three-phase power transformer, for some reason (wrongly connected) phase-locked twice the grid frequency. A bifilar coil wound on an air core will not work because in order to handle 50Hz grid frequency, it is imperative to use an iron core (the Kapanadze 2004 setup is extremely misleading (http://overunity.com/16508/new-april-2016-video-from-kapanadze-shows-again-kwatts-of-free-energy/dlattach/attach/157154/)). Also there is no need to use some higher frequency (maybe at a later time for experimenting), because an output of 5000 watts free energy at 50Hz should be enough for a start.

By the way: According to cosmoLV, at one time a ferrite or iron core is needed, but at another time it is not, because allegedly the Kapanadze device works with an air core.

cosmo-lv (http://www.energeticforum.com/97390-post29.html) on June 01, 2010, 07:38 PM: »Don Smith [...] only one thing is missing there - 'Core' you need ferrite or iron core«

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg311634/#msg311634) on February 04, 2012, 10:08 PM: »Ferrite device is different as air core (Tariel's device)«

No, Tariel's device does not work based on an air core coil; it has to be an iron core coil hidden in the round or green box.

Back to transformers. On the other hand, there is no bifilar wound small 50Hz transformer from RadioShack available, not even a microwave oven transformer is wound that way, but without a bifilar coil the capacity (or should we call it the surface area?) between two coils next to each other is too low to reveal any overunity effect. Therefore any hobbyist, not working with large(!) three-phase transformers, will have a hard time to discover this unusual resonance effect by chance. There is one possibility though: Some transformers in switching power supplies are wound with continuously transposed conductors (see image below), meaning, such a multi-filar conductor could work as coil-capacitor, however most likely not at 50Hz (due to core saturation). Besides, discovering an effect as such does not mean there is no room for optimization, since a commercially available three-phase transformer is perhaps not explicitly designed for the collection of free energy.

Guntis (http://www.energeticforum.com/139097-post156.html) on May 02, 2011, 12:55 AM: »All magic happens between coils«

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg314848/#msg314848) on March 09, 2012, 03:12 AM: »Most important thing is to generate sharp pulses (triggered); Second is bifilar coil closed looped by itself«

The Lithuania Experiment (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg306642/#msg306642)


CONUNDRUM

yfree (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg322405/#msg322405) on May 12, 2012, 07:38 PM: »The main secret of the Kapanadze coil is the conductive ring placed within the coil. This contradicts standard thinking as a closed conductive ring in a coil would normally be considered to be a wasteful shunt rather than a source of energy.«

Yes, almost correct. But it is rather a short circuited bifilar coil on an iron core, not part of that fallacious thing, commonly referred to as the »Kapanadze coil«.

a.king21 (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg332229/#msg332229) on August 15, 2012, 01:05 AM: »it is something simple. Something an electrical engineer would not try because of the training.«

Puzzling: If the shielding of the coaxial cable (or one wire of a standard bifilar coil) wound on an iron core is closed looped, wouldn't that create a short circuit? But a short circuit means generating a great amount of heat (shorted transformer condition). On the other side, haven't we already seen a »wire« that looks like short circuited and thereby producing a lot of heat? Yes, we have, here it is: BREAKING: Inventors Harness Free Energy with New Device (at 1:05) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvcrqODpDY4)

Quite interestingly, the original website is already gone: energiauniversal.eco.br:80 (http://energiauniversal.eco.br:80/), also most of the videos are no longer there: energiauniversal.eco.br:80/videos (https://web.archive.org/web/20151022082845/http://energiauniversal.eco.br:80/videos). Who gave the order to shut down the website and delete the videos? The Men in Black?

WO2013104042 - Electromagnetic device for capturing electrons from the ground to generate electricity (http://www.google.com/patents/WO2013104042A1?cl=pt): »The invention relates to an apparatus that includes at least one device for generating an electromagnetic field (1) - powered by an electricity source - the coils of which are surrounded by at least one single conductive element forming a closed circuit with itself (4), that is connected by induction to at least one connecting conductive element (5), which is connected to a grounding mesh, said connections causing, as a novel technical effect, the appearance of an electrical current that circulates within the conductive element forming a closed circuit with itself, to power external loads.«

On March 09, 2012 cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg314848/#msg314848) writes about a »bifilar coil closed looped by itself« and over one year later, on July 18, 2013, the Barbosa-Leal patent was published and tells us something about a »conductive element forming a closed circuit with itself«. In the meantime on April 08, 2013 one named Phobos (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/122331/) draws a schematic depicting a short circuited bifilar coil. Just an odd happenstance?

And that »conductive element forming a closed circuit with itself« is »connected by induction« - not galvanically - to another conductive element. Hence, what kind of conductive element and what kind of induction? Electromagnetic induction as the patent states? »[...] connection between the driving member 5 [the ground grid] and [...] driver(s) 4 [the closed loop, which has also a connection point marked with a plus sign] is done by electromagnetic induction.« However, how can a simple ground grid (a grounding rod) generate a magnetic field in order to have electromagnetic induction? It can't. Something has to be wrong and/or incomplete here. The initial induction mode has to be Electrostatic induction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_induction), therefore the plus sign on the closed circuit, in the patent called »driver(s) 4«. The electromagnetic induction (and also the electrostatic induction) then takes place between the two coils, namely the closed circuit and the open circuit connected to the load and the power source. Is the patent here vague on purpose in addition of omitting important information? The incandescent light bulbs connected to the Kapanadze setup are undoubtedly connected on one side to ground, hence the load circuit is grounded, hence grounding the closed loop circuit too makes no sense, since that closed loop circuit has to provide the ionization due to the high voltage connected to it via a spark gap or something equivalent.

On the other hand, what if the load were not connected to ground? Is it really necessary to route electrons from ground through the load? The drawing in the Barbosa-Leal patent (illustration below, left drawing, figure 8) does not show the ground connected to the load/grid (3.1 and 3.2) but to the closed loop circuit (4). Thus, what could be the meaning of that cryptic concentric circles symbol? Does it perhaps mean, the closed loop circuit (4) consists of a bifilar coil (see three-phase transformer paragraph above), one coil is short circuited and connected to high voltage, the other coil (not drawn) is not short circuited but connected to ground and then there is a third coil (3.1 and 3.2) in that setup which is connected to the load as well as to the grid?

Rephrasing the above question a bit: Electrons from ground are needed to be passed through the load, or are they just needed to generate a strong magnetic field, or both?

Transformers (http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/127406/): »When a load resistance is connected to the secondary winding, the voltage induced into the secondary winding causes current to flow in the secondary winding. This current produces a flux field about the secondary (shown as broken lines) which is in opposition to the flux field about the primary (Lenz's law). Thus, the flux about the secondary cancels some of the flux about the primary. With less flux surrounding the primary, the counter emf is reduced and more current is drawn from the source. The additional current in the primary generates more lines of flux, nearly reestablishing the original number of total flux lines.«

Phrased in plain language this means, a shorted secondary coil of a transformer makes the primary coil draw more current. Astonishingly the Barbosa-Leal patent sees that somewhat different:

»[...] there is a realization of the energy conservation principle, expressed in Lenz's Law, in which any induced current has an effect that opposes the cause that produced it.«

Correct so far. But then the patent continuous:

»Assuming the induced current acts in the sense of favoring the variation of the magnetic flux that produced it, the magnetic field of the coil would have a south pole confronting the north pole of the approaching magnet, causing the magnet to be attracted in the direction of the coil.«

Now we have two statements already - cosmoLV and the Barbosa-Leal patent - saying something about »forming a closed circuit«. And further the patent claims that the magnetic field generated by that closed circuit (shorted secondary coil) is not (as typically) in opposition to the flux field generated by the primary coil, but in favor of it. Marvelous!

Not only to trained electrical engineers it sounds strange at first sight to have a shorted transformer ... but not so strange on second sight: If a transformer working in standard mode draws more amperes from the grid when its secondary coil is short circuited (loaded), then logically a transformer working in overunity mode should draw less amperes from the grid when its secondary coil is short circuited. Furthermore, the phrase »sounds strange« can be taken literally in respect of Kapanadze's 2004 Video (https://youtu.be/r99g4mjEvTE?t=22m40s). I always wondered where this humming sound is coming from. Another sound example, generated by the Transparent Box (https://youtu.be/zJMCwPhixRw?t=8m22s), and what a surprise, the Stepanov transformer (https://youtu.be/fDRTdTJTgGc?t=9m45s) generates also a lot of humming noise, uncommon to a transformer working in standard mode (see waveform graph below).

Zeitmaschine (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg352262/#msg352262) on February 05, 2013, 04:00 AM: »the humming noise correlates with 50Hz and 100Hz«. As the drawing of the sound wave reveals (see below), the measured noise amplitude of the 100Hz sound wave is larger when the corresponding 100Hz high voltage swings in one direction and weaker when it swings in the other direction. The meaning of that could be, the magnetic field is stronger when electrons are attracted from the grounded cathode coil and then circulating in the shorted anode coil, and it is weaker when the previously attracted electrons are pushed back again to ground (at zero crossing of the 50Hz wave).

There is another point of interest in the Barbosa-Leal patent: The short circuited coil should have »preferably two turns if the goal is electricity generation, and preferably four turns if the goal is to generate thermal energy.« Because the number »of the turns are directly related to the amount of current to be generated.«

Just two or four turns? In that case we would need three coils on the iron core. One coil is bifilar, representing the cathode connected to ground and the anode forming a closed circuit with itself connected to high voltage, both having two or four turns. The third coil then is the initial magnetic field generating and output coil, having a higher number of turns. According to all available information, here the Barbosa-Leal device seems to be slightly different from the Kapanadze device, which apparently works with just two coils, namely one bifilar coil.


SPARK GAP OR NO SPARK GAP

This is here the question. Zeitmaschine (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg342242/#msg342242) on October 30, 2012, 06:45 PM: »If the energy output consumed by the lamps is ever in relation to the spark then the lamps have to flicker because the spark flickers.«

This is correct and incorrect at once, because of the question: Does the spark of Kapanadze's green box setup flicker? Closely observed, the spark bounces around (https://youtu.be/1ZeNR0zR_fQ?t=23m14s) between the electrodes of the spark gap, it does not flicker like an ordinary high voltage spark; and that is a very important clue. If the spark gap would fire exactly synchronized to the 50Hz (100Hz high voltage) frequency - instead randomly - then indeed there would be no cause for the light bulbs to flicker. So, is this the reason why the green box spark gap is made adjustable by means of a screw, but the tin can spark gap is not? If a randomly firing spark gap would be sufficient, then why that odd screw for fine adjustment? Someone should have blocked that spark gap while the device was running. Observing the effect would have been worthwhile. Anyhow, I'm still convinced the visible 2004 spark is just for fun, actually it looks like a high frequency spark (generated by a needless and failing (https://youtu.be/r99g4mjEvTE?t=20m14s) HV generator), whereas the green box spark is low frequency and behaves completely different - not to mention that phony spark of the aquarium 2012 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-NLBSBRsBM) device. Thus, one confusion less to clear up.

One more question at this point: Why does the setup evidently need a spark gap at all? Of course to generate sharp pulses. But why do we need sharp pulses? The high voltage has to be double the frequency of the grid voltage (in order to excite parametric magnetic resonance?), but with a sinusoidal wave at 100Hz the capacitance between the two coils is too small (just a few nano-farad) to generate any noticeable effect. Thus, do we have to convert that 100Hz sinusoidal wave into sharp pulses, so those pulses can be »conducted« (lower impedance) by that small capacitance more easily? Wouldn't that mean, a setup running at higher frequency, e.g. 10kHz or 100kHz, could work without a spark gap, although the fundamental requirement still would be to have high voltage oscillating at twice the base frequency? Does the Steven Mark TPU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ME5oQ6lV8I) work with a spark gap? Or is this all about ionization and the capacitance does not matter? And here another issue to ponder on: The spark is essentially generated by high voltage at 100Hz, but the magnetic field that surrounds the high voltage ionization works at 50Hz. Then the result would be a 100Hz spark or a 50Hz spark? Kapanadze (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg344453/#msg344453) »is saying that in the spark gap is 50Hz«, perhaps in the green box spark gap, but surely not in the visible spark gap of the 2004 video. But of course, if the spark fires at 50Hz, then the IPCC illustration below should be different.


HAROLD ASPDEN'S CONCENTRIC CAPACITOR

NIKOLA TESLA'S AETHER-POWERED CAR (http://overunity.com/17036/the-concentric-capacitor-key-to-the-kapanadze-device-and-similar-fe-concepts/dlattach/attach/161625/): »Dr Tesla did admit that his device was merely a receiver for a ›mysterious radiation, which comes out of the aether‹ and which ›is available in limitless quantities‹.«

Curious, so far this was all about ionization - also called a dead magnetic field - and that ionization somehow has to provide the limitless energy that we can take for free. But how can ionization provide limitless energy and what has the aether to do with ionization? Unfortunately, the applied physics appears to be a bit more complex than Kapanadze's »The secret is so simple - you'll laugh« (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg334911/#msg334911).

Harold Aspden (http://www.aetherscience.org/www-aspden-org-uk/2.htm): »Consider a capacitor formed by a pair of concentric cylindrical electrodes [...] When that voltage is applied between the electrodes electric charge is displaced in the underlying vacuum medium located between those electrodes. A commensurate amount of electric charge is thereby held in place on those electrodes [...] Given my claim that this is accompanied by 'vacuum spin', aether rotation, which has imported an equal amount of energy owing to a quantum phase-lock as between the charge of the vacuum medium, we have the energy gain we seek to exploit.«

Here the mystery continuous. Does ionization create aether rotation, or does aether rotation create ionization, or is there no aether rotation at all, as Aspden claims? Or is there an aether rotation but we don't need it? Energy has to come from somewhere, but where is it coming from and how? Aspden suggest further that the rotation of the aether results in getting an equal amount of energy for free as initially invested in order to start the aether rotation, therefore doubling the amount of energy during each working cycle. In contrast, the Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal devices seem not just doubling the invested energy, but multiplying it. That could lead to the assumption, that aether rotation initiated in a concentric capacitor can give a surplus of energy, as Aspden states, but nonetheless it is not the principle the Kapanadze device is working on. The Hendershot generator (http://overunity.com/17036/the-concentric-capacitor-key-to-the-kapanadze-device-and-similar-fe-concepts/dlattach/attach/161611/image//), for example, does not use a spark gap nor a high voltage generator, but a concentric capacitor; though it is possible it generates sharp high voltage pulses somehow.

Aspden: »The problem, however, is that, with this simple capacitor configuration, the only control parameter available is the reduction of the voltage between the electrodes. [...] The added energy imported from space is merely dispersed by the 'vacuum spin' slowing down but expanding beyond the bounds of the capacitor electrodes as it conserves its angular momentum. The energy imported from the quantum underworld of space has no way of enhancing the energy output of the capacitor circuit and so is left to dissipate itself [...].«

What about the control parameter named »electromagnetic field«? If the concentric capacitor is under influence of a magnetic field, then the aether rotation in it could interact with that magnetic field in a way that this initial magnetic field becomes strengthened. Remember the Barbosa-Leal patent: »The induced current acts in the sense of favoring the variation of the magnetic flux that produced it«. A question as a sideline: If the coil is not wound with coaxial cable (representing the concentric capacitor) but a simple bifilar wire, then will this also trigger some kind of an aether rotation? But if there is no aether rotation as Aspden suggests, then what could be the process that collects the energy from the aether? Because in the absence of a better alternative it should indeed be the aether that provides the energy we are looking for. Harold Aspden, the aether and the Correa invention (http://www.aetherscience.org/www-energyscience-org-uk/reports/ES8/esr8.htm)


THE CORREA REACTOR

Anyone ever heard in the news about the discovery of a self-sustaining overunity device called the »Pulsed Abnormal Glow Discharge reactor« (PAGD), the US5502354 patent (https://www.google.com/patents/US5502354) published in 1996? No? Likewise!

It is a abnormal gadget that could fit the category »So simple, you would laugh«, although only in regards to its basic construction, not its physical functional principle in depth. The main component consists of just two electrodes in a partially evacuated glass tube, being pulsed (sounds familiar) with several hundreds volts (sounds familiar) to generate an electric field (sounds familiar) to generate ionization (sounds familiar). As we can see in the schematic of the test circuit, there is a power source (the battery on the left) that powers a load (the motor on the right) and between those two wires the PAGD is connected in parallel to the power source and load, so essentially the PAGD gets a small energy pulse from the battery and it echos this small energy pulse with a more powerful energy pulse (sounds familiar). Instead of Kapanadze's choke connected in parallel, here we have an ionized capacitor connected in parallel. Intriguing!

Apropos »ionized capacitor«: This High and Low Voltage Capacitors Test (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTu0gLyqx_w) gives also strange results. Connecting an arbitrary capacitance to the low voltage side (primary coil) of a high voltage transformer makes the input current either to stay the same or to go up, dependent on the capacitance. But connecting an arbitrary capacitance to the high voltage side (secondary coil) of the same transformer lowers the input current about 10% easily. What is going on here? Is there also ionization involved around the capacitor(s) triggering a (small) gain in energy somehow? A capacity below 4nF will surely not generate any noteworthy ordinary LC resonance at 50Hz, but if it does for some reason, it should also be possible to lower the input current about 10% by connecting a suitable capacitor to the low voltage side; but it is not.

The Correa Invention: An Overview and an Investigation in Progress (http://overunity.com/15081/moray-and-correa-tube-experiments/dlattach/attach/145645/): »Impressing several hundreds of volts between the anode and cathode sets up an electric field which will accelerate any stray electrons sufficiently to ionize gas molecules. Electrons, being negative, are attracted to the positively charged anode. The positive ions, are attracted to the negatively charged cathode, but being much heavier, move more slowly.«

Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion): »Electrons drift faster than positive ions due to their much smaller mass.« Therefore, as it looks, maybe (or maybe not) we have here the answer to the above question: Why do we need sharp high voltage pulses? Possible answer: We need sharp high voltage pulses in order to separate and accelerate light electrons leaving the more heavy ions untouched.


TRYING TO GET A PRACTICAL RESULT

The next question is, what to do with those separated and accelerated electrons, being negatively charged? We take again a look at Kapanadze's bifilar coil, forming a closed circuit with itself. That closed circuit - the short circuited primary coil (or name it secondary coil vice versa) - gets hit by a positive high voltage spark, thereby creating ionization around it. Thus, all electrons in the nearby ionized air (or are they supplied by the grounded secondary coil although insulated?) will drift fast to that loop, the heavier thus slower ions are not affected to such an extend, meaning there is now a surplus of negatively charged electrons in that short circuited coil (the anode), but no (or less) surplus of ions in or near the secondary coil (the cathode). Could it be, that difference triggers something? Anyway, at the same time when the positive charging of the coil occurs, this charged coil is exposed to a magnetic field (remember cosmoLV: »in total you have one source, but in fact you have resonant magnetic generator with two fields«) generated by the primary coil, which sends all those additional electrons in a closed loop (the anode) around the iron core, leading to an extraordinary strength of the magnetic field.

Basically we have here a cathode and an anode and an electric field between. The cathode consists of a coil generating a primary magnetic field, the anode consists of a short circuited coil, generating a secondary magnetic field. The electric field is initiated abruptly by means of a high voltage spark. Further, the cathode is connected to ground or a large metallic object. For comparison, in the description of the Pulsed Abnormal Glow Discharge reactor (from Infinite Energy magazine) we can read: »The cathode area is large - 128 square cm in some test samples; the area of the anode and the probe are less important.«

Now investigating: Why do we need a high voltage spark firing at 100Hz, twice the 50Hz grid (base) frequency? When a positive spark fires, it attracts negatively charged electrons. Then we put those electrons to work, we activate them; those additional electrons then strengthen the magnetic field. But this magnetic field changes its polarization accordingly to the alternating 50Hz frequency. This suggests, that every time the magnetic field reverses its polarity, we have to get rid of the electrons previous collected, by firing a negative spark in order to push those electrons back at each zero-crossing of the 50Hz grid frequency. Afterwards, when the magnetic field has reversed, the next positive spark fires (see illustration below) and attracts new electrons. Obviously this should generate a ground current oscillating at 100Hz. Quite conceivable: Kapanadze measured only the amperes of the ground current never its frequency; if my memory serves me correctly.

a.king21 (http://overunity.com/6763/energy-amplification/msg378349/#msg378349) on December 02, 2013, 12:45 PM: »Then Kapanadze panicked when he saw our space age equipment and refused to complete the agreement. He said we would find his secret.«

This indicates the secret can be revealed looking at the output waveform by means of an oscilloscope. It is not a 50Hz sinusoidal waveform. Of course, this will reveal the use of a frequency doubler circuit, disclosing thereby a 100Hz wave superimposed on the 50Hz base frequency. We remember, they where unable to measure the output voltage in the green box video, they said »the field is influencing«. But actually, when looking at the humming sound waveform, the secret has been revealed already without connecting any space age equipment directly to the device. Now the task is to implement that revealed secret correctly.

Question: Why not leaving the once attracted electrons circulating in the closed loop? Possible answer: We need an ongoing pumping effect (a repeated acceleration of electrons) to get continuously energy from the aether. This leads to the statement of the Barbosa-Leal patent »If the power source is direct current - DC, the captor supplies direct current - DC«. It says, the power source is DC. It says not, the high voltage is DC (actually it does not even mention high voltage sparks). Interestingly enough and coincidentally, the power source of the Correa reactor is also DC, namely a battery. Obviously the input of DC does not prevent the generation of excess energy, nonetheless some pulsing process is required.

Attempting to get a visualization of the electric field and the ionization. The electric field, which creates the ionization separating ions and electrons, reverses its polarity abruptly (by means of a spark) 200 times a second (at 100Hz). The negatively charged electrons are more influenced by that electric field than the positively charged ions because of their difference in mass. So we could say, the ions are the heavy peas on a light tray which represents the electrons. Now we start to shake that tray. The peas will stay almost on their places, whereas the tray moves with a large amplitude from one side to the other. Apparently this could be the effect that Kapanadze calls shaking the aether (http://www.galaksija.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=446&start=260). »Tariel said that the resonance between two transformers 'shakes' the aether«, this then causes additional energy from the aether to flow into the system. Kapanadze further: »Ferrite core prevents the process and therefore does not apply at his device«. But this does not necessarily mean soft iron prevents the process too. There are lots of distraction tactics going on here, e.g. the need of two Tesla transformers working at 100kHz. That's downright rubbish. Where are those Tesla transformers on Kapanadze's 2004 workbench?

At this point another issue comes up: We shake the aether and thereby attracting electrons from ground (or rather from the air only?), then why do we need two coils for doing that? Wouldn't it be sufficient to attract additional electrons directly into the load circuit, to generate a higher current in that circuit, instead into a second circuit? A potential answer: The load circuit is a high-resistance circuit, it contains the resistance of the load, whereas the closed loop is a low-resistance circuit, it is shorted. That shorted circuit, therefore, can generate a higher current with the same amount of electrons than the load circuit could. A higher current means a stronger magnetic field. The load circuit then receives the additional energy via this magnetic field. cosmoLV: »energy is received on coil through magnetic field; don't take energy directly from the coil«. A second potential answer would be: Attracting electrons directly into the load circuit would mean to pulse that complete circuit with high voltage, inclusive the load. This is rather impractical in some way.

This leads to the insight, there is no need to have a grounded load, it is only necessary to have any grounded cathode coil (see Barbosa-Leal vs Kapanadze drawing below) and that in turn leads to the insight, the ground current shown in the Kapanadze green box demonstration goes not through the load, that's an illusion, it goes just to the cathode coil. If we have an incandescent light bulb connected to an ordinary transformer drawing one ampere, what do we need if we want two amperes going through the bulb? Exactly! We need a stronger magnetic field in order to push more electrons, already present in the circuit, through the bulb, within a given time frame. Connecting the bulb circuit to ground will change nothing.

As a small recapitulation: One part of the Kapanadze device is a generator supplying sharp high voltage pulses at 100Hz phase-locked to the 50Hz grid frequency. That stands firm. The second part of the Kapanadze device is the so-called »resonator«, the ionization choke, comprising a short circuited anode coil, which attracts electrons into the closed loop in order to let them generate a strong magnetic field. Here I'm not entirely sure yet, how to design and construct it in detail. Will see ... (type and spacing of wire; number of turns; type of core; connection method; etc. )


A DEEPER LOOK INTO THE STRUCTURE OF THE COSMOS

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg312806/#msg312806) on February 14, 2012, 07:18 PM: »if you once get this magnetic field - you will be amazed«

The particular thing here is, the load has to receive the energy through a magnetic field. This magnetic field needs an iron core (or doesn't it?) since the working frequency is 50Hz. The Stepanov transformer has an iron core for sure and also the Barbosa-Leal patent drawing shows explicit an iron core, thus an iron core can't hurt even if it would not be needed. But, according to standard physics, when the magnetic field exceeds a certain level, then the iron core saturates and the magnetic field can't be made stronger. So, how can a small iron core fitting in Kapanadze's tin can generate a magnetic field that equals 5000 watts of power? Are we overlooking something? Maybe the overlooked part is this (scrappy) video EV GRAY Motor and Cold Energy lost Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQHUZITimUI), that demonstrates an unusual powerful magnetic field. The electromagnetic core is made of plastics, nevertheless it is not an air core.

Guntis (http://www.energeticforum.com/138783-post1.html) on April 28, 2011, 10:08 PM: »When matter passes through the membrane, there is a moment, an infinitesimal amount of time, when the matter actually contains both polarities, positive and negative. It seems that the particles are in the same place at the same time. It's almost what you might call an exchange of antimatter. When passing through the membrane occurs instantly, infinitely small imbalance of what we call the Cosmic Lattice. And at this moment, there is energy created, seemingly out of nowhere.«

The Cosmic Lattice? Deeply interesting! Then here we are back to Harold Aspden and the cubic structure of the vacuum, how Aspden calls that Cosmic Lattice (http://www.haroldaspden.com/lectures/27.htm): »Here I depict the vacuum as having a cubic structure, a state of order of the kind we see in crystals or in the magnetic domains of a ferromagnetic material.«

In short: When the device works correctly, then something happens on a subatomic level, not explainable by physics aimed to explain processes taking place above that subatomic level. What is a magnetic field? What is an electric field? No idea - except those fields are related to a higher dimension, we normally can't sense. See also: Experimental Quantum Antigravity (https://quantumantigravity.wordpress.com/study-guide/) - Abraham force, Biefeld-Brown effect, Boyd Bushman effect.

Anyone feels dizzy after all this? I do.


WHAT NEXT?

We are left with these three choices: a) A working device can be constructed in accordance with the explanations above, b) although all the theories are correct to nearly hundred percent, the device does not work, because of minor implementation issues, c) it is not possible to complete a working device, because everything of the above stated (and below depicted) is completely rubbish all along the line.

Therefore on the agenda now: Experimenting. It's time to cut that Gordian knot.

Best regards
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: peper10 on December 21, 2017, 11:59:37 PM

Is that what you are talking about!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf64CP-8rvk
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 22, 2017, 04:15:04 PM
No, not exactly. Among other things, I'm rather talking about this: correa's pagd in ACTION (http://overunity.com/1965/correas-pagd-in-action/)

It collects energy from the aether by means of ionization, like the Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal device. If one could find the lost videos...

It's an interesting term, by the way: »quantum explosion«
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: jojo500 on December 22, 2017, 09:13:00 PM
wow
extremly well thougt material.

I'm 100% sure tariels device was absolut lowtec.
evetually he came across this by fooling araound with some of this 3phase transformers  ..
how ever .

good work filtered lot of other nonsens out thanks a lot
 :)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: x_name41 on December 23, 2017, 02:48:35 AM
i apply the comparison scheme )

souce (http://mazeto.net/index.php/topic,1546.msg90942.html#msg90942)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: antimony on December 23, 2017, 09:34:53 AM
I am glad that you have put all this together, and it is indeed very interesting.

RomeroUk and a bunch of others have also tried coil shorting in motors with good results it seems, so it wouldnt be a far stretch to think it would have effects in other devices too.

I have to read it again, but it was very interesting indeed.

Thanks for compiling it. :)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 23, 2017, 12:30:25 PM
»Captor de Eletrons da Terra«, principle of work, according to all available information: An anode wound on an iron core forms a closed circuit, preferably made of bare wire. That anode attracts electrons by ionization due to high voltage from air or ground. Then these attracted electrons are forced to circulate in that closed anode circuit by an initial magnetic field, generated by a primary coil, thereby generating a second magnetic field, stronger than the initial magnetic field.

There is no other interpretation, as I see this. The problem here is the exact specifications of the coils. How many windings? Thick or thin wire? Spacing of the coils? Timing of the phase-locked high voltage? And so on.

The Barbosa-Leal patent says two turns for the anode to generate electricity, that means to generate a strong magnetic field. If the aim is to just heat up the anode coil, then it should have four turns. Thus, for the time being, it sounds simpler to pay attention to a heated anode coil in order to see if something unusual happens at all, instead of connecting incandescent bulbs and measuring the current going through.

Further, I'm still puzzled what in that context the meaning could be of »polarized« vs »unpolarized« and »continuous electrical current - DC« vs »alternating electrical current - AC«.  DC generates a permanent magnetic field and so does a permanent magnet. Hence, if a permanent magnet is wrapped with a four winding anode coil and that coil is pulsed with high voltage, so the surrounding air becomes ionized, then will that coil heat up and generate thermal energy? Strange, never heard of such a thing. But who knows...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on December 23, 2017, 04:43:29 PM
You are so right...the answer to world energy crisis is always here - it's magnetic field.
The best invention is again lost - Barbosa &Leal copied Hubbard device.
Imagine what can you have HV or pulsed DC from 230V thought the diode bridge.Or both.And that's all!
It's a matter of coils to get what we need - answer me what we need to generate large output from induction ?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on December 23, 2017, 04:53:22 PM
Humans are the utmost stupid creatures. They destroy environment so fishes are dying ,but when some fish is almost extincted its value is rised and people rather to protect the species they are eager to catch them all due to high price in no-valuable currency called money :-( If they do it for mother nature how we could expect them to give all poor people free energy from magnetic field.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 25, 2017, 01:40:10 PM
BARBOSA-LEAL AND THE DIY WELDER

WO2013104042A1: »4. Equipamento eletromagnético, de acordo com a reivindicação 1, caracterizado pelo fato de que elemento condutor em circuito fechado em si mesmo (4) é polarizado com uma tensão.«

Translation: »4. Electromagnetic equipment, according to the claim 1, characterized by the fact that the conductor element in a closed circuit in itself (4) is polarized with a voltage.«

The ambiguous phrase »polarizado com uma tensão / polarized with a voltage« does not exclude the connection to high voltage nor AC or DC nor pulsed DC. The »conductor element« is the anode, the concentric circles symbolize the cathode connected to ground.

WO2013104042A1: »preferencialmente duas voltas se o objetivo for geração de energia elétrica, e preferencialmente quatro voltas se o objetivo for geração de energia térmica.«

Translation: »preferably two turns if the objective is electric power generation, and preferably four turns if the objective is thermal energy generation.«

So it says, we need two windings (duas voltas) for the generation of electric energy (geração de energia elétrica). Then, is there any kind of transformer that works with two windings only? Yes, just by chance, there it one: it is a DIY transformer (http://www.electric-skateboard.builders/t/how-to-build-your-own-spot-welder-from-a-microwave/2747) for a spot welder wound with two turns of stout wire. Are there any reports of something strange going on sometimes when working with a spot or arc welder? Yes, just by chance, here is one: a kWh meter starts to run backwards (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcPKz7uEq-8) as soon as the welder sparks and the circuit is shorted. We could easily dismiss this as »cheating the meter«, if it weren't for the Barbosa-Leal patent showing almost the circuitry of an arc welder. He should have connected an incandescent light bulb in parallel to his welder in order to see if the bulb shines brighter or dimmer while the meter runs backwards. Could be, we are pushing at an open door.

And also just by chance, a factory-made arc welder comprises a diode bridge that doubles the grid frequency. In addition, drawing sparks means generating sharp voltage pulses and generating ionization between the electrodes (here rather with low voltage than high voltage). Further we can read in the comments: »The equipment gets quite hot after a while, it is ok for experimental purposes.« Like the Barbosa-Leal patent states, it generates thermal energy.

Thus, we have here a two windings coil short circuited, a frequency doubler, ionization, sharp pulses and a connection to ground. Sounds all familiar. The result then is a power meter that runs in reverse. Just one more odd happenstance, I guess. If, for some reason, one has no stout wire at hand, maybe a thick coaxial cable could also do the job.

When an ordinary motor is connected to the grid together with a bank of capacitors, could that also cause a Ferraris electricity meter (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Drehstromzaehler_offen.jpg) to run in reverse? If no, then that welder does not simply cheat the meter, it indeed generates its own power and pushes that power into the grid. If yes, anyone (using a meter without an in-built backstop) could connect a capacitor bank to his vacuum cleaner, etc., in order to power it for free, and even get paid for using it. Nice.

Indeed, the electricity companies are concerned about electricity meters running backwards (https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/feed-in-tariffs/article/feed-in-tariffs/electricity-meters-running-backwards), though not because of a malfunction, but because of their tariff policy (import-supply tariff vs feed-in tariff). On technical basis, backwards running meters are in perfect working order when a solar panel exports electricity to the grid. This has nothing to do with power factor and reactive power, as suggested by some. Of course, suggesting the generation of free electric energy out of thin air does not comply with the textbooks.


Merry Christmas, by the way. Anyone uses aether powered Christmas lights yet?

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: iflewmyown on December 25, 2017, 06:39:57 PM
Zeitmaschine,  I just got back in from trying your test on the welder. First let me explain that I have the perfect set up to do the meter test. I have a large solar panel bank connected to the power grid. When I grid connected the solar panels the power company installed a new meter as the old one contained a ratchet which prevented the dial to rotate backwards. It is overcast today so that my meter is running in conventional mode. I tested a Lincoln 235 amp DC welder. First I watched the meter with the welder switched on but not welding. Of course I was getting charged. Then I started welding at the highest setting (235 amps) and watched the meter. It still went forward and charged me the full amount. It was a good thing to try and there is much more in your writings that I will be trying this coming week.
Thanks
Garry
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: antimony on December 25, 2017, 08:29:37 PM
Reminded me of this video that i saw many years ago. I hope it helps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNTDQvU1ftM Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zjHZzyqzeY Part 2

It is in russian, but i think he is talking about an old welder schematic from the Soviet era.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: antimony on December 26, 2017, 09:01:05 AM
Reminded me of this video that i saw many years ago. I hope it helps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNTDQvU1ftM Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zjHZzyqzeY Part 2

It is in russian, but i think he is talking about an old welder schematic from the Soviet era.

Ignore this one. I think i got it wrong.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 26, 2017, 12:20:20 PM
There is more wrong than this, as it looks.

iflewmyown, I think, they (which.co.uk) handle it the other way round: When a solar panel is installed, they change the old meter to a new meter with in-built backstop. The solar panel system has an integrated meter in order to measure the feed-in tariff. If the main meter would run backwards at the same time the owner of the solar panel would get paid twice for his solar generated power.

Also it is not sure if all welders are suitable to make the meter running backwards. The simplest may be the best one. I can't find any hint what welder he is using in the video.
 
Another find:

Guntis (http://www.energeticforum.com/269312-post5.html) on January 03, 2015, 09:59 PM: »Remember my experiment (i think i have post here 5 years ago) with PC cooler and Tesla coil and when you get synchronous TT and PC fan motor magnetic field, then fan starts to speed up in enormous speed.«

Unfortunately I can't find any trace of such an experiment about 5 years ago (around 2010). Would have been interesting at least. How to connect a PC fan to high voltage Tesla coil without destroying it?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 29, 2017, 11:00:22 AM
INVESTIGATION IN PROGRESS

On November 08, 2011, 12:23 AM (as mentioned) cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg304780/#msg304780) displays a drawing regarding the Kapanadze device, showing somewhat that looks like a couple of tubes. On January 24, 2014, 12:34 PM some pictures were taken of a Barbosa-Leal device (https://pesn.com/archive/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/index.html) showing something that also looks like a tube, a closed looped pipe instead of a closed looped standard conductor. That pipe, which appears to be made of copper, is wrapped with insulation, maybe a shrinking hose or paint. They call it iron pipe, but one photo shows clearly a color like copper.

The standard conductor previously used by Barbosa-Leal is labeled »1x240.0MM2 0.6/1KV CCORE/PVC«, this marks a single core copper conductor with a cross section of 240mm2, the PVC insulation is adequate for a voltage up to 1KV.

First question: Why putting together a lot of copper (https://www.google.com/search?q=copper+fittings&tbm=isch) or iron (https://www.google.com/search?q=iron+fittings&tbm=isch) fittings when a simple ground cable obviously can do it?

Second question: Why is it necessary to cover a pipe that heats up with something like PVC in its entirety? Seeing a bare copper or iron pipe would reveal nothing anyway.

Third question: How many turns can be made on an iron core using that kind of pipe or 240mm2 conductor?

Fourth question: Does it stand to reason to connect a thin green ground wire to a bulky black ground wire about ten times the cross section?

Fifth question: The bulky black conductor wrapped with that thin green wire is the same conductor that forms the loop in front of the device? As we know already, there are many pitfalls.

The heavy current in the 240mm2 cable or in the pipe generates an intense magnetic field in the iron core hidden within the device - not vice versa, it is rather not an intense magnetic field that generates the heavy current in that conductor.

Supposed - see question five - both are the same black cables, then something has to be wrapped around of that 240mm2 cable inside of the device. Since that cable (and also the pipe) is connected galvanically to ground (negative) forming the cathode, then that wrapped-around thing has to be the anode (positive). On the other hand, if we connect an anode to high voltage negative against ground, then actually the ground would be the anode and the negative high voltage would be the cathode. The patent shows a closed loop with a plus sign, whereas one photo shows the closed loop (the pipe) connected to a red wire (ground?), so here the loop can't be the high voltage positive.

Thus, what is it, that has to be looped? The anode, the cathode or both? But if the loop is the cathode then the Barbosa-Leal patent drawing and description is wrong. Another pitfall?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 29, 2017, 11:49:58 AM
Are you certain that the patent is incorrect?


Tesla patented the same device in 20 completely different forms.
But they all performed the same basic function.


To claim one is wrong because it looks different than the other
Is to negate the operating principles, without first understanding them.



Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: kpannic on December 29, 2017, 12:07:33 PM
Are you certain that the patent is incorrect?


Tesla patented the same device in 20 completely different forms.
But they all performed the same basic function.


To claim one is wrong because it looks different than the other
Is to negate the operating principles, without first understanding them.

which Tesla patent  u talking about?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: kpannic on December 30, 2017, 12:16:26 PM
in video kapanadze 2004, the mystery of the two resistors and the white capacitor is in doubling the frequency .... the rest remains to be discovered......
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: kpannic on December 30, 2017, 12:19:14 PM
like video:
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: leo48 on December 30, 2017, 04:47:40 PM
 >:(
Better control the connection of the bridge rectifier so you risk making a short circuit ...

leo48
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: kpannic on December 30, 2017, 05:19:18 PM
A small mistake: the bridge rectifier is mounted incorrectly.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 30, 2017, 05:45:27 PM
Short circuits are nice ...

kpannic, if the input on the left would be high voltage, the 100Hz output would also be high voltage. But I can't see transformer, diode bridge and wiring suitable for high voltage on Kapanadze's workbench. On the other hand, if high voltage would mean no more than 1000 volts, then it could be.

sm0ky2, looking at the Barbosa-Leal patent and at the actual Barbosa-Leal setup, they are contradictory. This has nothing to do with how many different versions of patents Tesla has published. The Barbosa-Leal patent says, the closed loop is anode positive, whereas the setup looks like the closed loop is cathode negative (ground).


GOLDEN RATIO

Let's say (in the absence of a better theory), there is an alternating electric field (ionization) generated by high voltage (at 2f) and an alternating magnetic field generated by an iron core via a primary coil (at 1f). Located within those two fields there is a closed loop of copper wire or a copper pipe, about 2 to 4 turns, creating a short circuit and this loop is connected to ground at some point. The electric field attracts electrons from ground, hence, there is now a surplus of electrons in that loop. Then the magnetic field takes over and pushes those surplus of electrons all around through the loop (generating thereby a strong magnetic field in the iron core), so the electrons are forced to make a full cycle in order to go back to the ground (actually not the very same electrons); they can't go back the same way they came from when attracted. What could that imply?

Could that imply, that it does matter at which point precisely in that closed loop the ground is connected and the field generating high voltage is located? Are those parts somehow asymmetrically arranged? This is just a preliminary guesswork of mine. The one drawing by Guntis shows something like the Kodak Flasher (see above), that's evident. But I always wondered what that cryptic other drawing Golden_Ratio.jpg (http://www.energeticforum.com/138373-post120.html) could mean ... perhaps nothing.

At least, having to cope with a max. of 4 turns for the energy generating coil, it should make things much more easy to handle; should be far easier than working with tables full of high-end electronics. If we, for now, go for thermal energy only, then there is even no need for an electric energy output coil. Just the initial magnetic field generating primary coil, the grounded looped cathode coil and an anode connected to high voltage.

Regarding the placement of conductors: Is there another device utilizing a correctly placed closed looped conductor? Yes, it is the Shaded Pole Induction Motor (http://www.studyelectrical.com/2016/02/shaded-pole-induction-motors-working-construction.html). The rotor turns, because the closed looped coils - the shaded poles - are located on precise points on the iron core. So, as we can see, the correct placement of conductors does indeed matter sometimes.

Therefore, this all could boil down to the generation of some kind of rotating field by combining an electric field and a magnetic field in a specific way. We remember, Stepanov discovered this effect by means of a three-phase transformer. There are a lot of possibilities to connect three transformers together (the wrong way).


RESISTANCE AND ENERGY

If we push against something (a car, e.g.) that offers mechanical resistance, then we can transfer energy to that object. If we push against something that does not offer mechanical resistance (thin air, e.g.) then we cannot transfer energy to that object (a small amount at best in that case).

As we know, an open secondary coil of a transformer does not generate a magnetic field, nor does it generate any heat. Astonishingly, in that case the electrons encounter no resistance when moving through the wire while generating alternating voltage. But if we close that secondary coil - shorted directly or via a load - then the electrons, now moving in a closed loop, start to generate a magnetic field (causing the primary coil to draw a higher current) as well as heat in the wire.

Quote: (https://pesn.com/archive/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/index.html) »You got it right!! The pipe is the resistance to the circuit!!«

Electrical resistance exists only in a closed circuit. Without resistance there is no heat and no magnetic field. Electrons do need resistance in order to generate energy. In case of the captor device that would mean, the generated power stands in direct correlation to the resistance of the closed loop. The heavier the resistive loop, the more electrons moving, the more energy it generates.

Err ... if a free energy device can generate heat directly, then there should be no need to generate electricity first in order to power an electric heater with that electricity; like seen in a Kapanadze demonstration.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: kpannic on December 30, 2017, 07:45:06 PM
Short circuits are nice ...

kpannic, if the input on the left would be high voltage, the 100Hz output would also be high voltage. But I can't see transformer, diode bridge and wiring suitable for high voltage on Kapanadze's workbench. On the other hand, if high voltage would mean no more than 1000 volts, then it could be.


no, but if you look closely at the video2004, a thin white wire (from 220v) leads into the metal box to hide its destination, then it comes (i see) out 7 wire (4 wires for resistors, 2 wire for capacitor and I see only one black to the bridge rectifier).
Probably in that metal box there is a 220v -> 2000v transformer. Nothing is excluded.
Anyway those resistors are too small for 25A and the capacitor it's max 10-20uF 450v.
The bridge rectifier is for high amperage, but it can be seen sticking a thin black max 2Amps.
Let's not forget that in 2004 is the first device, made from materials found in "garage".

"Zeitmaschine:
............ try to put your mind back to those years; no semiconductors, no RadioShack - nothing, just wires and transformers......

I will try to get out of 220v 50Hz -> 2000v 100Hz under 30watt with that circuit.

Keep you up to date.
P.S. sorry for my bad english...google it's my friend  :D
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 30, 2017, 08:40:29 PM
@Zelt,


The point I was trying to make, is that patents don’t always resemble the actual device
in every manner.


If we have a portion of one circuit and a portion of another circuit
Coupled as an L-C inductive coupling,
It doesn’t matter which side is which.
I mean, it may to the individual circuit,
But for the coupling, it would function either way.
This type of reversibility can sometimes apply to other forms of circuits.


FFT theory states that any circuit can be reduced to an equivalent circuit.
Patents actually cause this to take place.
Is circuit may be protected or unknown to the competitor
So a different, equivalent circuit, must be derived.


Also, circuits are often made more complex than necessary or extra simplified
in a patent application.


If the differences between the patent, and a particular device are giving you trouble
The course of action would be to examine what is taking place by this change
And to identify any other parts of the circuits that are also different.
It may point you to the answer you are looking for.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on January 01, 2018, 05:23:57 PM
partial explanation possible....field pulsed  ::)  very simple  :o  you know how to pulse it - by HV capacitor discharge ; the simplest form = 2kV capacitor charged from secondary of MOT trafo through the spark gap at 100Hz thus two diodes
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: leo48 on January 02, 2018, 01:18:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8zSMXMo2hs

Is it possible that we can understand the connections in these transformers?

Leo48
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 02, 2018, 03:10:27 PM
sm0ky2, that's why the phrase »or vice versa« is frequently used in this thread.


THE FOUR-CYCLE ENGINE

We use two transformers of a three-phase transformer. The primary coil of the first one is connected to 50Hz grid, generating a magnetic field. The secondary coil of that transformer is connected to ground and shorted. It is not shorted directly, but through a coil of the second transformer. That second transformer generates high voltage, for some reason at 100 Hz. That high voltage generates an electric field and ionization close to that shorted coil carrying the 50Hz current generated by the first transformer. Using a spark gap or not, what could happen? What could happen if we use all three transformers? The middle one generates the magnetic field and runs at 50Hz, the two outer ones provide the high voltage at 100Hz - or vice versa. What could happen, if the ground wire connected to the closed loop itself is influenced by an alternating electric field?

Unbelievable, how many pages can be written in circles about a device consistent of almost nothing.

It is still unclear at this point if a spark gap is really required or not. I can't see how a spark gap could ever work on a permanent basis when casted in epoxy resin, like the Barbosa-Leal device is. Should we assume there is a spark gap hidden in the circuit breaker or in one of the two surge arresters? Or is there an electronic one? But if we don't need one at all, then the better. Maybe Kapanadze's spark gap is just another pitfall - or he used one needlessly without knowing. Also it is still unclear at this point whether the surplus of electrons should be collected from ground or rather from ionized air.

Looking at the illustrations below, we know for sure now why a frequency doubler circuit is needed in order to generate the high voltage that attracts the electrons. It works (if we should ever succeed) like a four-cycle engine. The idea is to electrostatically attract and repel the electrons in a closed circuit in harmony with the magnetic field, not contrary to it, making one field cancel the other. So I think this is a physical configuration issue between the magnetic field(s) - inductance, and the electrostatic field(s) - capacitance. The Barbosa-Leal patent says »at least one device for generating an electromagnetic field (1) - powered by an electricity source«; that's an ordinary iron core wound with a primary coil. The secondary coil is the closed loop with 2 to 4 windings, generating heat (the copper pipe). This coil is not completely covered by the magnetic (and electric) field because we can see a large part of it sticking out of the device. So far we have here an ordinary transformer with a shorted secondary coil. That secondary coil is connected to ground. Exactly the same configuration like the welder above, which can turn the meter in reverse.

When an electric field attracts electrons (from ground) then it attracts electrons towards itself; the field generates a hot spot of electrons. Perhaps that could mean, we have to inject (»high voltage is injector«) those electrons directly into the magnetic field (»combustion chamber«) generated by the primary coil (»low voltage is piston«). Thus, it could be a good idea to have the ground wire connected near the magnetic field coil, not at an arbitrary spot somewhere on the closed loop. When this closed loop is made of a coaxial cable (wound around an iron core, magnetized by the primary coil), the shielding connected to high voltage attracts (or repels) electrons, but on one side of the circuit the electrons are always attracted (or repelled) in the wrong direction, the electrons do not move in a full circle. This can't work. What's missing?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 02, 2018, 11:13:25 PM
The spark gap is simply a switch
It is often replaced by a transistor
or similar state-dependent semiconductor


The purpose is to create an oscillating signal
If a/c is used at the source, this step is already
taken care of.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Belfior on January 03, 2018, 09:16:49 AM
it is not only a switch, since it provides a massive number of frequencies and their harmonics. This is an advantage if you mean to bounce these in a coil
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: ariovaldo on January 03, 2018, 01:21:04 PM
sm0ky2, that's why the phrase »or vice versa« is frequently used in this thread.


THE FOUR-CYCLE ENGINE

We use two transformers of a three-phase transformer. The primary coil of the first one is connected to 50Hz grid, generating a magnetic field. The secondary coil of that transformer is connected to ground and shorted. It is not shorted directly, but through a coil of the second transformer. That second transformer generates high voltage, for some reason at 100 Hz. That high voltage generates an electric field and ionization close to that shorted coil carrying the 50Hz current generated by the first transformer. Using a spark gap or not, what could happen? What could happen if we use all three transformers? The middle one generates the magnetic field and runs at 50Hz, the two outer ones provide the high voltage at 100Hz - or vice versa. What could happen, if the ground wire connected to the closed loop itself is influenced by an alternating electric field?

Unbelievable, how many pages can be written in circles about a device consistent of almost nothing.

It is still unclear at this point if a spark gap is really required or not. I can't see how a spark gap could ever work on a permanent basis when casted in epoxy resin, like the Barbosa-Leal device is. Should we assume there is a spark gap hidden in the circuit breaker or in one of the two surge arresters? Or is there an electronic one? But if we don't need one at all, then the better. Maybe Kapanadze's spark gap is just another pitfall - or he used one needlessly without knowing. Also it is still unclear at this point whether the surplus of electrons should be collected from ground or rather from ionized air.

Looking at the illustrations below, we know for sure now why a frequency doubler circuit is needed in order to generate the high voltage that attracts the electrons. It works (if we should ever succeed) like a four-cycle engine. The idea is to electrostatically attract and repel the electrons in a closed circuit in harmony with the magnetic field, not contrary to it, making one field cancel the other. So I think this is a physical configuration issue between the magnetic field(s) - inductance, and the electrostatic field(s) - capacitance. The Barbosa-Leal patent says »at least one device for generating an electromagnetic field (1) - powered by an electricity source«; that's an ordinary iron core wound with a primary coil. The secondary coil is the closed loop with 2 to 4 windings, generating heat (the copper pipe). This coil is not completely covered by the magnetic (and electric) field because we can see a large part of it sticking out of the device. So far we have here an ordinary transformer with a shorted secondary coil. That secondary coil is connected to ground. Exactly the same configuration like the welder above, which can turn the meter in reverse.

When an electric field attracts electrons (from ground) then it attracts electrons towards itself; the field generates a hot spot of electrons. Perhaps that could mean, we have to inject (»high voltage is injector«) those electrons directly into the magnetic field (»combustion chamber«) generated by the primary coil (»low voltage is piston«). Thus, it could be a good idea to have the ground wire connected near the magnetic field coil, not at an arbitrary spot somewhere on the closed loop. When this closed loop is made of a coaxial cable (wound around an iron core, magnetized by the primary coil), the shielding connected to high voltage attracts (or repels) electrons, but on one side of the circuit the electrons are always attracted (or repelled) in the wrong direction, the electrons do not move in a full circle. This can't work. What's missing?


There was no spark gap in those units.....
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 03, 2018, 01:44:17 PM
it is not only a switch, since it provides a massive number of frequencies and their harmonics. This is an advantage if you mean to bounce these in a coil


Yes this is true, we can filter them on the back end.
However, Foyer transform shows us these can be
viewed as a single combined frequency.
some add others cancel, and so the effects these have
on induction, capacitance, and impedance are the same
as if the simplified frequency were sent through the
circuit by itself.
what is ‘missing’ in the simplified version is radiation
and sound external to the circuit.





Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 04, 2018, 12:20:32 PM
ariovaldo, »There was no spark gap in those units.....«

And also no diode bridge (single diodes)? Would be strange, since the frequency doubler circuit under Stepanov's cardboard box is surely not there for nothing. Did this dismantled unit work once? So you got a working OU device and destroyed it?

ariovaldo (http://overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg390264/#msg390264) on March 01, 2014, 05:30 PM: »I'm from Brazil and tested the equipment by myself and I know exactly what the equipment has inside. The tests that I conducted didn't show good results, and I'm 95% sure this equipment is fake [...]«

Or didn't it work at all and therefore those images do not show a real Barbosa-Leal device from the inside? Then what's the point?

I can see an arc welder like transformer. The device for generating an electromagnetic field powered by an electricity source is the toroidal coil, the closed looped secondary coil is going through it. But we know, without additional means this will not work; why should it? So, are there any pictures showing some other parts of that unit?

So far, based on all available information, the theory is this:

a) Barbosa-Leal device equals arc welder transformer.
b) Arc welder transformer draws energy from grid when the secondary coil is shorted.
c) Barbosa-Leal device draws energy from ground by means of the shorted secondary coil.
d) Arc welder transformer can draw energy also from ground in some special cases.
e) Kapanadze and Stepanov devices are basically the same like Barbosa-Leal device.

The principle of work should be: Electrons from ground or from ionized air are injected into a closed looped secondary coil, amplifying there (for free) an already present current generated by a primary magnetic field.

Does sound simple, how to make it?


THE CLOSED NON-CLOSED CIRCUIT

In order to generate a magnetic field and heat, electrons need to move in a closed circuit (don't know why). But what could happen when the electrons move in a closed circuit and that circuit is in fact not permanently closed (illustration below)? The circuit is rather closed time-dependent (cosmoLV: »always this is manipulation with time«); we utilizing the forth dimension, so to say. A switch (of some kind) opens the closed loop, that's the secondary coil of a transformer. A positive electric field attracts the electrons from ground through the loop (1), so the electrons are all collected on the end of the wire. Then the circuit is switched over, therefore that end of the wire containing the surplus of electrons connects to ground, whereas a negative electric field (don't know if this negative field is really needed) repels now the electrons at the other end of the wire pushing them back into the ground through the loop (2). This is repeated for each half-wave (3 and 4) of the magnetic field generated by the primary coil (not drawn in this illustration). So, for the electrons it looks like a closed circuit although it is an open circuit. When the magnetic field works at 50Hz (and also the switch), then the electric field has to be 100Hz, phase-locked of course. Don't know how to do this practically, but at least the theory is a bit outside of the box.

The question here: Is it really necessary to have a toggle switch, like transistors or thyristors, or could this toggle switch be replaced by two coils (chokes) of some sort? The magnetic field works at 50Hz sinusoidal wave, the electric field could be sharp pulsed (cosmoLV: »most important thing is to generate sharp pulses«). That means, a choke could work as a filter, conducting the 50Hz current without apparent resistance, but the apparent resistance would be high for the current generated by the sharp electric field pulses. As we can see, the diagram of the arc welder (http://overunity.com/17535/kapanadze-stepanov-barbosa-leal-and-the-secret-of-free-energy/dlattach/attach/166097/) from page one shows a choke connected in series with the secondary coil through the diode bridge and it is suitable for high currents. It conducts 100Hz DC without much resistance, but it blocks the sharp pulses generated by the sparks when the circuit is shorted (welding).


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Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: jojo500 on January 05, 2018, 01:11:23 PM
ariovaldo, »There was no spark gap in those units.....«

And also no diode bridge (single diodes)? Would be strange, since the frequency doubler circuit under Stepanov's cardboard box is surely not there for nothing. Did this dismantled unit work once? So you got a working OU device and destroyed it?

ariovaldo (http://overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg390264/#msg390264) on March 01, 2014, 05:30 PM: »I'm from Brazil and tested the equipment by myself and I know exactly what the equipment has inside. The tests that I conducted didn't show good results, and I'm 95% sure this equipment is fake [...]«

Or didn't it work at all and therefore those images do not show a real Barbosa-Leal device from the inside? Then what's the point?

I can see an arc welder like transformer. The device for generating an electromagnetic field powered by an electricity source is the toroidal coil, the closed looped secondary coil is going through it. But we know, without additional means this will not work; why should it? So, are there any pictures showing some other parts of that unit?

So far, based on all available information, the theory is this:

a) Barbosa-Leal device equals arc welder transformer.
b) Arc welder transformer draws energy from grid when the secondary coil is shorted.
c) Barbosa-Leal device draws energy from ground by means of the shorted secondary coil.
d) Arc welder transformer can draw energy also from ground in some special cases.
e) Kapanadze and Stepanov devices are basically the same like Barbosa-Leal device.

The principle of work should be: Electrons from ground or from ionized air are injected into a closed looped secondary coil, amplifying there (for free) an already present current generated by a primary magnetic field.

Does sound simple, how to make it?


THE CLOSED NON-CLOSED CIRCUIT

In order to generate a magnetic field and heat, electrons need to move in a closed circuit (don't know why). But what could happen when the electrons move in a closed circuit and that circuit is in fact not permanently closed (illustration below)? The circuit is rather closed time-dependent (cosmoLV: »always this is manipulation with time«); we utilizing the forth dimension, so to say. A switch (of some kind) opens the closed loop, that's the secondary coil of a transformer. A positive electric field attracts the electrons from ground through the loop (1), so the electrons are all collected on the end of the wire. Then the circuit is switched over, therefore that end of the wire containing the surplus of electrons connects to ground, whereas a negative electric field (don't know if this negative field is really needed) repels now the electrons at the other end of the wire pushing them back into the ground through the loop (2). This is repeated for each half-wave (3 and 4) of the magnetic field generated by the primary coil (not drawn in this illustration). So, for the electrons it looks like a closed circuit although it is an open circuit. When the magnetic field works at 50Hz (and also the switch), then the electric field has to be 100Hz, phase-locked of course. Don't know how to do this practically, but at least the theory is a bit outside of the box.

The question here: Is it really necessary to have a toggle switch, like transistors or thyristors, or could this toggle switch be replaced by two coils (chokes) of some sort? The magnetic field works at 50Hz sinusoidal wave, the electric field could be sharp pulsed (cosmoLV: »most important thing is to generate sharp pulses«). That means, a choke could work as a filter, conducting the 50Hz current without apparent resistance, but the apparent resistance would be high for the current generated by the sharp electric field pulses. As we can see, the diagram of the arc welder (http://overunity.com/17535/kapanadze-stepanov-barbosa-leal-and-the-secret-of-free-energy/dlattach/attach/166097/) from page one shows a choke connected in series with the secondary coil through the diode bridge and it is suitable for high currents. It conducts 100Hz DC without much resistance, but it blocks the sharp pulses generated by the sparks when the circuit is shorted (welding).


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one thing on all the devices from tariel , ruslan , akula, barbosa always make me wonder .. most of them use a relativ long cable going from the device to the groundpoint . some of the gys made a big deal about a perfekt ground .. at the same time they lay servral meters of cable in between it .
i did some tests with some intresting results not to long ago .. how ever there is something to look over

all the best
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: plaxius on January 05, 2018, 03:37:54 PM
The spark gap is simply a switch
It is often replaced by a transistor
or similar state-dependent semiconductor


FALSE !!! Please .. see the video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJEoKM0aOls&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: SolarLab on January 05, 2018, 06:41:46 PM
F.Y.I.

Fourier Series transform (Foyer?) - aid using an interactive graphical example,
and why it's important, can be found here:

The free energy of the electron

http://gorchilin.com/articles/energy/pull?lang=en (http://gorchilin.com/articles/energy/pull?lang=en)

Study this page; in particular "The energy gain" (formula 1.8)
which is graphically (interactive) shown here:

Simulation of energy extraction with the long line. The increase in efficiency due to the
charge redistribution

&Ph=[1.57,3.14,1.31,1.83,1.05]&lang=en]http://gorchilin.com/calculator/pull?T=0.5&L=0.5&D=0.1&P=0.1&G=[1,0.78,0.6,0.65,0.55]&Ph=[1.57,3.14,1.31,1.83,1.05]&lang=en (http://gorchilin.com/calculator/pull?T=0.5&L=0.5&D=0.1&P=0.1&G=[1,0.78,0.6,0.65,0.55)
&Ph=[1.57,3.14,1.31,1.83,1.05]&lang=en]
Open the Detail box - upper RH - use the US flag for translation; then
adjust the Harmonics - 1...5 and Phases: 0...+180deg; NOTE: Ksub0.2= value
L is 1/4 or 1/2 Lambda of coil (wavelength); The lower graph shows one period of
oscillations, which excite DL (the long line).

After a brief review, it will become clear how and why the proper selection of the
"Harmonics" of a "Pulse" type excitation of waveform on a 1/4 or 1/2 wavelength long line
(e.g. in the form of a Tesla or other high Q coil) might be of advantage (Ksub 0.2);
when also considering the "extraction" timing (green line on excitation signal graph
at the bottom - also shown to the right as a switch and load - yellow when filled.
Move the green line to re-adjust the extraction timing - click along the T axis - reset the cycle.

A study (interactive graph) of the "Pulse" train can be found here:

Calculation of pulse pumping Tesla transformer

[url=http://gorchilin.com/calculator/tesla?lang=en]http://gorchilin.com/calculator/tesla?lang=en
 (http://gorchilin.com/calculator/pull?T=0.5&L=0.5&D=0.1&P=0.1&G=[1,0.78,0.6,0.65,0.55)
Also - follow the "blue" links. NOTE: A Fourier Series Transform (FT) of a signal (pulse, etc.) will
yield a series of discrete frequencies, including their respective phases in the "frequency
domain;" in turn, Convolving a series of discrete frequencies will yield the waveform
in the "time domain." FT has several forms - for example: DFT (discrete Fourier transform)
ignores the harmonic signal phase information - caution.

One Pulse Example:

 http://gorchilin.com/calculator/tesla?Q=200&G=1&b=0.1&fi=400?lang=en
 (http://gorchilin.com/calculator/tesla?Q=200&G=1&b=0.1&fi=400?lang=en)
As can be seen - harmonic frequencies and phases matter!
Now you can begin to ENGINEER the (optimum) driving waveform manipulation;
or you might just get lucky - in that case definitely buy a lottery ticket as well, since your chances
of being lucky a subsequent time will have the same odds as your winning the lottery!

For some I'm sure this will come as good news - since upgrading to a new online system, it has become near
impossible to construct a proper post for this board. Therefore, time spent trying to post here will be allotted
to more productive activities. Good luck to everyone and have a great New Year!


FIN


Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 06, 2018, 04:06:45 AM
Thank you Fin


For the purpose of the devices being discussed here, the expanded view
Is overly unnecessary, but good information for people to have.
In order to utilize the higher harmonics (lower sets would be pointless)
we would need significantly more circuitry than what we see.


And if this is to be done, we should first consider the other interferences
in those bandwidths from modern human activity.



Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 06, 2018, 04:24:07 AM
one thing on all the devices from tariel , ruslan , akula, barbosa always make me wonder .. most of them use a relativ long cable going from the device to the groundpoint . some of the gys made a big deal about a perfekt ground .. at the same time they lay servral meters of cable in between it .
i did some tests with some intresting results not to long ago .. how ever there is something to look over

all the best


are you thinking some kind of ‘EB’ effect?
the above Lewin video demonstrates how the earth is an infinite electron source.
(secondary lightning/hv discharges)


and EB experiments have shown that the earth can send charges to other objects
and other parts of the earth.
this effect can be as substantial as we want it to be.
TK once told me to place a coax in the ground and scope it.


all kinds of stuff going on there.
more waveforms than a lot of scopes can even separate
some identifiable, others left me wondering if the earth itself has electric frequencies
in addition to the dc-drift components.







Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: jojo500 on January 06, 2018, 01:03:30 PM

are you thinking some kind of ‘EB’ effect?
the above Lewin video demonstrates how the earth is an infinite electron source.
(secondary lightning/hv discharges)


and EB experiments have shown that the earth can send charges to other objects
and other parts of the earth.
this effect can be as substantial as we want it to be.
TK once told me to place a coax in the ground and scope it.


all kinds of stuff going on there.
more waveforms than a lot of scopes can even separate
some identifiable, others left me wondering if the earth itself has electric frequencies
in addition to the dc-drift components.

yes and no . take that 1turn closed coil from barbosa ore the coax from tariel  an look at it as a magnetic loop ore box antenna
yeah i know they normaly use a variable air cap to tune it. but you don't have to. take any pice of wire wrap it a few turns over your loop say 3-6 turns and run it via a cable to you earth point .  Now with the lenght of your cable that runs to your earth ground you can tune your main loop verry easy. This was verry comon in the late 60 and 70 in east europe( russia) at the time they build medium to shortwave  tx stuff mostly for military aplikations. How ever those sort of contraptions have a wide variaty of build buildforms (a loop antenna made from coax is one of em) . thats all i want to say about it i feel it be wrong too  go deeper in this because it would not help too much for Zeitmaschienes work.

all the best
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: core on January 06, 2018, 03:42:12 PM
Nice job pulling information off past threads Zeit  8)

Regarding grounds, what do you do if you are in an airplane? I suppose the planes frame would have to serve as ground. That said what we call ground in these units should be refereed to as a mass. Same would apply if you are in space. Somewhere in my notes I have a quote from Leal stating the Ground is held at a negative potential. If I find it I will post the entire article, last I researched these guys in 2017 they had an enormous amount of legal issues. Some public court papers I saw from Brazil had them going to court almost every month. They have since started a new chemical company. Sorry can't remember the new name of the company.

If you step back even further in time you have Clemente Figuera, in his era there was no diodes, vacuum tubes, transistors etc.. So how simple is this.

-Core
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: SolarLab on January 06, 2018, 06:21:58 PM
Thank you Fin


For the purpose of the devices being discussed here, the expanded view
Is overly unnecessary, but good information for people to have.
In order to utilize the higher harmonics (lower sets would be pointless)
we would need significantly more circuitry than what we see.


And if this is to be done, we should first consider the other interferences
in those bandwidths from modern human activity.

F.Y.I.

In general
, my intent is simply to caution against all the mindless hand waving and otherwise
foolish sounding, unfounded, unverified, brain dead speculation - try another approach or you'll
be at this OU/FE/CE development for another 10 years, or more, ending with the same results:

Nothing but thousands upon thousands of pages of crap with a very few "value-added" bits
hidden within and being very difficult, if not impossible, to find.  The goal "must" be unraveling
the mysteries; not post counts and silly hero member titles, or masquerading as a pseudo expert
 - this is not facebook nor twitter!

Don't wreck it - this can be a valuable resource!

smOky2:

Let me briefly explain further - my previous references are not meant to
present an "expanded view" of signals and such; but rather some fundamental
techniques of how EM signals are manipulated; primarily for analysis and design.

Understanding the Time and Frequency domains are key to gaining a clear conceptual
appreciation of all electromagnetic signals, and thus, their manipulation to further
develop a scheme. A Fourier transform takes a signal in the time domain (as seen on
an oscilloscope, for example) and represents that signal in the frequency domain (as
seen on a spectrum analyzer, for example).

Slightly off topic a bit, but also worth considering:
A complex representation of a signal is achieved by way of Vector Analysis (includes
amplitude and phase) or Scalar Analysis (includes amplitude information only). These are
time versus amplitude (and phase) at a given frequency (much like a radio receiver).

Now, by sweeping a device, or system of devices, with a known frequency while considering
the output signal amplitude and phase information, a matrix is created which
forms what are known as Scattering Parameters, or simply, S-Parameters. Quite valuable
information, in fact, since a complete "picture" - the amplitude, phase, and frequency
response of the circuit (black box) - is now known. Caveat - this generally holds true if
the black box is linear (generally small signal) - but it's a very good place to start a circuit
design or the analysis. Note: A Smith Chart is an inexpensive valuable graphical tool (old but
proven) that can be used to provide a huge amount of information. Check it out!

Also note that saturating (over driving) a system will generally create non-linearities causing,
amongst other things; harmonics, inefficiencies, and so forth. Sometimes this non-linear
effect is good - mixers, overunity, etc. and sometimes this is bad - audio distortion, radio
 interference's, etc..  Only scratching the surface here...

FIN
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on January 07, 2018, 01:32:32 PM
in video kapanadze 2004, the mystery of the two resistors and the white capacitor is in doubling the frequency .... the rest remains to be discovered......
Hi all just had a walk through your thread and was beginning to wonder why all your schismatics had fallen of the
 page  ;D
I'm not one for large SA's, I tend to get bored. However this little circuit interested me as well as its drawbacks like
heating up the room  and it's none standard output transformer (lamination's) ;D

What i was interested in has any one tested this device ?
I ask as it might be just as easy with a FET / IGBT to accelerate the frequency into the Mhz region just as easy
with a minimum of components.

AG



Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: wattsup on January 07, 2018, 04:44:11 PM
@all

Here is an observation of Kapanadze device mainly the Green Box using some basic logic, despite my firm belief that the bearded guy held the input power, I am neglecting this to provide an angle of research for some of the better EE/OUers.

The green  box had a spark gap so this means high voltage proportional to the gap aperture. So there is a source of high voltage. The green box also used two toggle switches to get it going. WHYYYYYYYY??? And why two????

Well, let's say you produced high voltage AC. So you have a sine wave rising and falling but always changing with time, unlike DC that stays the same in time. So you have a 60Hz AC of let's say 4800 volts peak to peak, but all you want is 120 volts output. So you send that high voltage through a mosfet where each interruption of the HV output equals a rise time to produce 120 volts. If you did that, you would need one toggle switch to start the pulsing absolutely first before you activate the other toggle switch that starts the high voltage. So you have a HV circuit and a voltage extrusion circuit. Something like a hot dog making machine with a constant hot dog feeding a timed cutting wheel.

The one or two mosfets would start getting hot so the heat sinks on the green box are shown.

SO WHO IS SMART ENOUGH TO TAKE THIS INFORMATION AND BUILD ON IT?

Such a system would relegate the TK Coil itself to be a dud, a discussion piece, a distraction and that would fall in perfectly with the fact the such a TK Coil winding for coupling purposes is totally useless and just equal to a straight piece of wire. If you can produce high voltage at a low consumption rate, then cut that high voltage into more manageable slices that once layered on top of each other increase the output amperage, that is the place to start.

wattsup

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on January 07, 2018, 08:48:45 PM
what is required to generate voltage?
what is required to generate amperage ?
combine both
simple
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on January 07, 2018, 09:31:40 PM

Such a system would relegate the TK Coil itself to be a dud, a discussion piece, a distraction and that would fall in perfectly with the fact the such a TK Coil winding for coupling purposes is totally useless and just equal to a straight piece of wire. If you can produce high voltage at a low consumption rate, then cut that high voltage into more manageable slices that once layered on top of each other increase the output amperage, that is the place to start.

wattsup

A fresh approach to the mystery maybe.

Yes agreed, the TK coil winding is very likely eye candy.

Yes agreed, the output is probably pulsed.

A MOT is perhaps the easiest and cheapest means (scrap yard build) of producing the HV.

However, what is the source of energy? If its from the grid, then we have a place to start. If so, do we assume that the grid current is supplied from a remote location to the device? If not, what is the source of energy local / within the device?

Could TK have sent the HV over very thin cable from a remote location?

To minimise energy consumption whilst producing highest lumen bulb output levels, do we need the HV to ionise the gas in the bulbs?? Has anyone experimented with pulsed HV transformed from the grid, directly applied to incandescent lamps at various pulse rates?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 07, 2018, 09:57:06 PM
Kapanadze has been consistent in saying that the coils are an important part of his device,
and the coils were included in his patent application as well, so that is another indicator that
the coils are important. If Kapanadze's device somehow draws its power from the grid, it seems to
me he wouldn't likely at all have been able to get his device to work when he was taken by boat to
the shore of a randomly chosen remote island by potential investors, and his device still worked. Also,
forget about the Barbosa and Leal devices. They themselves have given up on those devices several years ago
and moved onto other things. All indications are those devices drew their power directly from the grid
via a ground loop, and will not work otherwise.

All the best...



Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on January 07, 2018, 10:17:11 PM

If Kapanadze's device somehow draws its power from the grid, it seems to
me he wouldn't likely at all have been able to get his device to work when he was taken by boat to
the shore of a randomly chosen remote island by potential investors, and his device still worked.

All the best...

Good point Void but we cannot be sure that even on that island (which may not have been a random choice) that an energy source was not pre-laid away from the demo location and transmitted somehow through the ground. I recall a post made a few days ago from a guy that had it on good authority that TK was picking up power through the ground from a location away from the device. 

Anyway, I do think that TK did have a genuine secret but that this was not based on free energy. More likely, is that he found a clever way of transmitting energy through the ground  that used the grid as an illegally procurred source and this was the reason that investors may have steered clear of his devices.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 07, 2018, 10:50:02 PM
Hi Hoppy. The account of that event was that the island was chosen by the potential investors
and Kapanadze didn't know where they were taking him. It seems to me it would be pretty hard for
Kapanadze to have a hidden power source in that case, since he didn't know where he was
being taken. That would have been the whole point for the potential investors to arrange to take
Kapanadze to a destination where Kapanadze didn't know where he was being taken. Since Kapanadze
does not let people inspect the inside of some parts of his devices, then taking him to a remote destination
which Kapanadze didn't know ahead of time and where Kapanadze couldn't have any chance to hide
a hidden power source was actually a pretty good test idea, and in the video clip that was posted you can
see what looks like a Kapanadze type device powering a number of light bulbs while sitting on the rocky island shore.
I can't verify the facts of that account about the island test since I wasn't there, but the video
clip that was previously posted by someone seems to be possibly be from that event.

Kapanadze device island test video clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXLxTjc9m3k


Any claims by some unknown person that Kapanadze uses a hidden power source would not appear
to hold up. That person would also need to provide specific details of how they came up with that info about
Kapanadze, ortherwise it is just more hearsay/speculation to add to the mountain of other speculation and unfounded
claims found in forums like this. :)


All the best...


Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on January 07, 2018, 11:03:16 PM
I should have expanded about the possibly that the choice was not random. How would you attempt to convince real investors by production of a public video, that your device was genuine.  ;)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 07, 2018, 11:10:26 PM
I should have expanded about the possibly that the choice was not random. How would you attempt to convince real investors by production of a public video, that your device was genuine.  ;)

Hi Hoppy. I am not following you. If that account about the remote island test is accurate, then
it was the investors who arranged to take Kapanadze to the location of their choice. Their people were
attending the event in person. They weren't watching a video. As the account of the event goes anyway. :)
I wasn't there so I can't personally verify the details however.


All the best...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on January 07, 2018, 11:17:50 PM
Hi Hoppy. I am not following you. If that account about the remote island test is accurate, then
it was the investors who arranged to take Kapanadze to the location of their choice. Their people were
attending the event in person. They weren't watching a video. As the account of the event goes anyway. :)
I wasn't there so I can't personally verify the details however.


All the best...

Hi Void,

How can we be sure that they were all real investors and not just a hatched plan to lure real investors. Yes I know that this sounds far fetched but TK needed money and people will go to great and risky lengths to obtain it.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 07, 2018, 11:32:50 PM
Hi Void,
How can we be sure that they were all real investors and not just a hatched plan to lure real investors. Yes I know that this sounds far fetched but TK needed money and people will go to great and risky lengths to obtain it.

Hi Hoppy. I did not say it was proof of anything. I was just relating what has been posted
in the past about what supposedly happened. Kapanadze's demo in Turkey where the
generator was generating quite a lot of power in front of a lot of people would also be hard to
fake I think unless the Turkish investors which Kapanadze was dealing with at that time were
also part of an elaborate plan to scam everyone.

People can go to some pretty far lengths to try to explain away things, but some of those speculations
seem more far fetched to me than the possibility that Kapanadze's devices might possibly be doing just what
Kapanadze claims and demonstrates they do. That's just me however. Everyone is entitled to their own point of view. :)

All the best...

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on January 07, 2018, 11:45:28 PM
lets look at one of TK's devices notice his spark gap, how fast a pulse would you say it takes to start to finish,
what i'm saying is how wide would a pulse be if you were to measure it ?
Next question draw a circuit to emulate it !   8) 8) 8) ;D

recon you can crack it ?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 08, 2018, 12:09:09 AM
Hi AG. The sparkgap sparking has appeared different in different Kapanadze demos.
I think it may be a good idea to focus on Kapanadze's 2004 device since that setup
was very basic and may possibly not have had anything much extra added as decoys to try to
throw people off track. In a translation I read of that 2004 video, Kapanadze apparently said
the sparkgap was sparking at 50Hz. As for the spark duration, I don't think you can tell that
from the videos, but from the looks of the sparking in the 2004 video, it was low current.
However, anything Kapanadze has said should be taken with a grain of salt as you never know
when he is being straight and when he might be just trying to throw people off track. There
lies a big problem with trying to decipher what really may be going on in Kapanadze's devices. :)

All the best...


Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: wattsup on January 08, 2018, 12:49:28 AM
A fresh approach to the mystery maybe.

Yes agreed, the TK coil winding is very likely eye candy.

Yes agreed, the output is probably pulsed.

A MOT is perhaps the easiest and cheapest means (scrap yard build) of producing the HV.

However, what is the source of energy? If its from the grid, then we have a place to start. If so, do we assume that the grid current is supplied from a remote location to the device? If not, what is the source of energy local / within the device?

Could TK have sent the HV over very thin cable from a remote location?

To minimise energy consumption whilst producing highest lumen bulb output levels, do we need the HV to ionise the gas in the bulbs?? Has anyone experimented with pulsed HV transformed from the grid, directly applied to incandescent lamps at various pulse rates?

@Happy

At this stage the power source in not important. We already know that pulsing a HV transformer at the primary resonance and sometimes at the secondary resonance will consume the least amount of energy plus we also know that at resonance the secondary usually outputs at its highest voltage. The idea is to take that voltage and cut it down to usable volts while layering the voltage so the amperage increases as well. Think of it like a mosfet step down transformer without the transformer.

There are not 10 principles of the Green Box. Usually it take a lifetime just to find one principle let alone two or more. So the whole TK device is not working because of many variables. He is putting in all those extra dodads just to keep you off his track.

About patents TK or other, forget it. He would never put his secret in a patent because a patent is a business tool, not a knowledge tool. No inventor will divulge everything in any type of OU patent.  They will always keep the real function out of it and use the patent as an investor tool. Some inventors will even patent non working devices just to get their name out there so that if someone else ever worked a real device, they could use the patent to get compensation. But that is not a guarantee.

Research in OU is like research in everything else. You try one angle and see if it leads to other angles and from there you begin to make a portrait of the effects you want and one day bingo, you get it. TK obviously did not invent a knew way to produce high voltage. We can see that in the device @stivep saw when he was in Georgia. It had a pretty standard HV device showing. He did not invent a new spark gap. We saw that as well. The only thing I can think of is he is cutting the high voltage into manageable voltage levels hence the two toggle switches on the Green Box. The other TK devices use a 9v starter voltage. So can you start pulsing a HV primary with only 9 volts and loop it so it grows on itself. Yes you can and if the primary is taking less energy because it is in resonance and if the secondary HV can be cut down to produce more volt/amps/watts then what the primary is consuming, then there is a chance it could work.

wattsup



Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 08, 2018, 01:32:31 AM
About patents TK or other, forget it. He would never put his secret in a patent because a patent is a business tool, not a knowledge tool. No inventor will divulge everything in any type of OU patent.  They will always keep the real function out of it and use the patent as an investor tool. Some inventors will even patent non working devices just to get their name out there so that if someone else ever worked a real device, they could use the patent to get compensation. But that is not a guarantee.

Hi wattsup. No one suggested Kapanadze's patent applications contained all details or that
all was accurate, but the fact that he makes the coils an important part of the patent applications
would certainly seem to imply that they are an important part of his device. If Kapanadze's patent
applications did not represent in some sort of reasonable way the actual device and principle
behind it, then someone could patent or produce Kapanadze's devices without the coils and Kapanadze's
patent applications would be useless to protect him. :)

At any rate Kapanadze's patent application were just too vague to ever have a chance of being
approved anyway, IMO. You can't tell from his patent applications what the heck he is exactly patenting
except that it has some coils and supposedly does some sort of current magnification. Patent applications
have to be a lot more detailed than that to have a chance of being approved unless the patent examiner
is taking bribes or they are a drunk. :)

All the best...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: core on January 08, 2018, 03:47:07 AM
Regarding Barbosa and Leal

Barbosa goes by the name Nilson da Ampere on the internet. I do not think he is on Twitter anymore but you can tweet him @NilsonAmpere. They both have started a new company and have added a 3rd partner. Name of the company is Evolucoes Hidrogas and the website is http://evolucoeshidrogas.com.br/web/english/ (http://evolucoeshidrogas.com.br/web/english/)

This new company has found a way to create hydrogen gas from water using no electricity.

-Core

Side note: This patent is cited in the Barbosa and Leal patents (The electricity-generating circuit WO 2007019869 A1) what is interesting is the author uses the term converter and not transformer.

https://www.google.com/patents/WO2007019869A1?cl=en (https://www.google.com/patents/WO2007019869A1?cl=en)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Belfior on January 08, 2018, 09:37:53 AM
TK device is something so simple he is very paranoid about even showing it to people for close inspection. There is no other reason why he would add crap to his devices like old TV back panels under everything and paint the components black.

He got the idea from a multi phase transformer so the device is something like primary, secondary in resonance feeding back to the driver like a slayer circuit and then load coil on the same ferrite. Maybe the load coil is open ended and going to a load and the other side of the load to the ground. He wasn't using much components.

What I don't get is how he gets the 50Hz output if he uses a spark gap. The timing is not that presise
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on January 08, 2018, 10:33:25 AM
@Happy

At this stage the power source in not important. We already know that pulsing a HV transformer at the primary resonance and sometimes at the secondary resonance will consume the least amount of energy plus we also know that at resonance the secondary usually outputs at its highest voltage. The idea is to take that voltage and cut it down to usable volts while layering the voltage so the amperage increases as well. Think of it like a mosfet step down transformer without the transformer.

wattsup

Hi Wottsup,

In an LC circuit, we either have series resonance where the current maximises at the expense of voltage, or parallel resonance where voltage maximises at the expense of current. Neither of them offer an increase in overall output power with respect to the level source power. Looking at it in terms of energy sourced and expended, we just add time to the equation. Are you suggesting that by somehow layering voltage, we can overcome this relationship?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on January 08, 2018, 10:49:36 AM

Everyone is entitled to their own point of view. :)

All the best...

Yes indeed Void! However, I think to be fair to Wottsup, we now need to direct the conversation to a technical discussion about how TK may have achieved a self-running device along the lines Wottsup is suggesting.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 08, 2018, 10:57:17 AM
Void: »All indications are those devices drew their power directly from the grid via a ground loop«

Maybe you missed that page PESN rep witnesses Evolucoes Energia's Captor off-grid overunity (https://pesn.com/archive/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/index.html): »My associate from Brazil, Fernando Lins, witnessed the Captor produce 169 kW (797 A at 212 V) while being powered from a 12-V battery through a 2,000-Watt inverter that was providing the Captor with just 1,650 W (7.5 A at 220 V) -- a gain of more than a hundred times!«

What does this tell us? First it tells us, the captor works without the grid and there is no ground loop, just a single ground wire, second it tells us, the device needs a lot of energy to produce more energy. Why is that so? Because of the closed secondary loop, like that of an arc welder transformer? A modified microwave oven transformer would fit that 1,650 W input. The higher the regular current going through that looped coil, the higher the current that comes for free caused by the captured electrons from ground?


THE PROBLEM OF INCREASING HUMAN ENERGY (http://aetherwizard.com/tesla/Articles/ProblemOfIncreasingHumanEnergy.pdf)

Tesla: »Could we produce artificially such a "sink" for the energy of the ambient medium to flow in?«

Yes, the energy of the ambient medium is the negative charge of the electron and the artificial sink is the positive electric field (lack of electrons) produced by high voltage.

Tesla: »To make our mechanical analogy complete and true, we must, therefore, assume that the water, in its passage into the tank, is converted into something else, which may be taken out of it without using any, or by using very little, power.«

The flow of the attracted electrons is the water, the closed circuit is the tank. The magnetic field, generated by the primary coil with very little power, converts that negative charge of the electrons into a magnetic field and heat when it has passed into the closed circuit, so it can be taken out.

Repeating Tesla: »in its passage into the tank«

Literally taken, this should mean the conversion of the energy from negative charged electrons to magnetic field and heat has to take place precisely at the entry point where the electrons flow into the circuit. Hence, the positive electric field, causing the electrons to flow in, as well as the ground connection, has to be within the magnetic field, preferably at its strongest point. Unfortunately Shokac (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg260600/#msg260600) did not go further into detail regarding his transformer setup.

A primary coil on an iron core generates an alternating magnetic field. That magnetic field generates an electric current in a short-circuited secondary coil, the cathode. Right within that magnetic field a ground wire is connected to that coil. Precisely at that entry point an anode, connected to high voltage, generates a positive electric field attracting electrons from ground. The magnetic field then captures those electrons and causes them to move together with the already present electrons in the closed looped coil. At zero-crossing of the magnetic field the anode is switched off, so the previously attracted electrons can return to ground freely.

If the electric field's hot spot, generated by the anode, is outside the magnetic field, because the connection to ground - the entry point of the electrons - is located at an arbitrary place in the circuit, the electrons from ground as well as the electrons already in the circuit are attracted towards that hot spot. There is no reason for the attracted electrons to move around the short-circuited secondary coil in order to amplify the current in the loop.

Barbosa and Leal call this »Captor de Elétrons da Terra« because an electric field and a magnetic field work together to get grip on those charged electrons.

Between the cathode and the anode there is an electric field (Edwin V. Gray: »Split the Positive«), the high voltage circuit is closed through that field, not galvanically (Tom Bearden: »Don't kill the dipole«). The magnetic field creates a vibration in that electric field. Vibration means time-dependency. The magnetic field - superimposed upon the electric field - wants to move the electrons in the one direction, whereas the electric field wants partially to move the electrons in the opposite direction. Which field prevails? It looks, this is an issue of arrangement of the components like magnetic field, electric field and connections, not which components are basically used. We have an electric field closing a circuit, but it involves the time as the fourth dimension, because the high voltage circuit is not closed all the time. It can be considered open when the magnetic field is on and it can be considered closed when the magnetic field is off. In the meantime, when the magnetic field is on and the high voltage circuit is open, the attracted electrons do work nevertheless when moving through the loop driven by the initial magnetic field.

I don't know how this could be accomplished by means of an ordinary three-phase transformer. Maybe a coil of the transformer has a shorted center tapped coil connected to ground and a second coil (or some sort of shielding) which represents the anode. But I do know, if this is not working, it is either because the theory is correct to ninety-nine percent and the one missing percent prevents it from working - or maybe, that whole Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal-Captor free energy stuff is a hoax to hundred percent in its entirety; there is nothing between. There is no other choice how this can work if we want to stay on the basis »simple you'll laugh«. There is no high-end electronics involved nor are crystals or radioactive substances. We have a magnetic field and an electric field, we have voltage and current and electrons and wire and coils. We have to get along with that.

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Belfior on January 08, 2018, 12:32:03 PM
TK also demonstrated his device on an island far away from any electric grid
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on January 08, 2018, 12:44:42 PM
TK also demonstrated his device on an island far away from any electric grid

There are alternative means of producing AC current at 50/60Hz.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 08, 2018, 02:36:34 PM
Void: »All indications are those devices drew their power directly from the grid via a ground loop«

Maybe you missed that page PESN rep witnesses Evolucoes Energia's Captor off-grid overunity (https://pesn.com/archive/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/index.html): »My associate from Brazil, Fernando Lins, witnessed the Captor produce 169 kW (797 A at 212 V) while being powered from a 12-V battery through a 2,000-Watt inverter that was providing the Captor with just 1,650 W (7.5 A at 220 V) -- a gain of more than a hundred times!«

What does this tell us? First it tells us, the captor works without the grid and there is no ground loop, just a single ground wire, second it tells us, the device needs a lot of energy to produce more energy. Why is that so? Because of the closed secondary loop, like that of an arc welder transformer? A modified microwave oven transformer would fit that 1,650 W input. The higher the regular current going through that looped coil, the higher the current that comes for free caused by the captured electrons from ground?

Hi Zeitmaschine. No, I did not miss anything. I read through the info about Fernando's tests,
but found questionable things in what he stated. There was not enough detail provided IMO
to understand exactly what all the measurement setups were and exactly how the measurements were done,
for one thing, and some statements about estimated power where metal pipes were being
used as 'loads' seemed quite off the mark. The high current in the captor loop does not correspond
to a high output power whether it is in a thick wire or in a pipe. The output voltage on that loop
will not be 220V. It will be very low near zero volts in the high current loop, even though due to the
high current it can still produce a lot of heat in a metal pipe if a metal pipe is used as part of
the loop.

Ariovaldo has confirmed in the past that the Barbosa and Leal device he had possession of had a meter
showing the input voltage and another meter reading the current in the high current loop,
which doesn't make any sense. This would tell you nothing about the actual input power and
output power.

Also, see the following where it seems Barbosa and Leal have apparently acknowledged that their
devices were not over unity:
http://www.energeticforum.com/305282-post1727.html


I won't argue about it as I know people often tend to believe what they want to believe even
when presented with evidence that suggests otherwise.


All the best...


Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 08, 2018, 02:52:03 PM
Watch this video, it may help some understand
https://youtu.be/GAtAG938AQc (https://youtu.be/GAtAG938AQc)


The earth could be viewed as a giant capacitor
Something of several Ferads. So large we could consider
it to be infinite capacitance, relative to our tiny capacitor.
It is viewed as a single spherical conductive plate.
We can use this or instead of ground, simply use another
conductor of smaller capacitance.


With this in mind, let us take an electri field,
insulate it, and allow it to oscillate.
We can use an existing field frequency, but let’s make our
own in a controlled setting.
Using a van de graff
We can use either the dc components, by a classical machine
The belt transferring one charge (-) to a single conductor,
and sinking the other charge to an electron source (+)


Or we can use a conventional solid-state van de graff
Which simply runs our 60hz a/c through a set of double transformers
This is usually done first through a step-down current limiter
To feed 24v volt , 60hz @ some set resistance limited current.
Then through a 1000:1 inductive transformer
To give ~24kV 60hz (-) to a low-pressure gas-filled globe.
The ground is sinked to earth as the electron source.
And pretty little spark track your finger when you touch it.


In the old-style, we have a charge that steps up and down
depending on the rate of charge and the rate of loss.


In the second, we have a pure a/c charge pulse,
accompanied by discharges of the ionized gas.


Since the external electric field can be viewed as the sum of
the charges in the field: we have (roughy) an hv monopolar
output, @60hz


We can now place a conductor in this field.
(Insulate between the old-machine, the new one already is)
and this conductor will induce a (+) charge, opposite that of
the globe.


We connect then, this conductor through a circuit
And to another conductor with a larger capacitance.
We now have a dc pulsed current @60hz
Flowing through our circuit.


Notice, the input to the van de graff has not changed
Nor has the electric field, except for the reduction caused by
Q/k (charge divided by dielectric constant of the insulator)
and the strengthening of the field caused by the charge on
the conductor. (net is an increase in electric field strength)


Now, let us go to our large conductor (+ sink) and put another
conductor and insulator on it (forming a capacitor)
and connect this to ground (- sink) or an even larger conductor....


This forms an inductive circuit the voltage and current of which
are controlled by the relative surface area of the conductors.
and the magnitude of the oscillating potential.



Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 08, 2018, 03:00:08 PM
There are alternative means of producing AC current at 50/60Hz.

Hi Hoppy. If you or someone can demonstrate how someone can pull power from the grid or similar
at a distance without a direct electrical connection to the hot phase then you might have some basis
for suggesting this, but I doubt you can. I know power can be drawn from the grid through induction
if you are directly under high voltage power lines, but that is clearly not the case. I think
you are really reaching Hoppy. :) If you or someone else are going to suggest some explanation, it
should at least be something that can be shown to be plausible. :)

The story about the island demo indicates it was a fairly remote location and the location
was said to be chosen at random by the investors. If the story is accurate, then it is highly doubtful
that Kapanadze would have been able to prepare some hidden power source in advance. I don't know
if anyone independent of Kapanadze has confirmed the details of that demo however, but the video clip
that was posted by someone to Youtube seems to show that such a demo did occur, although I don't
know for certain that the posted video clip is from the same event, but it seems to at least match the
circumstances of the account of the island demo.

All the best...

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 08, 2018, 03:06:37 PM
Void: »Also, see the following where it seems Barbosa and Leal have acknowledged that their devices were not over unity«

Is that so? And they (Barbosa and Leal) were absolutely unable to figure that out way before filing FIVE PATENTS regarding their device? I would say, that smells. I rather believe that they were forced to back down. Guess by whom.

Piece of advice: If you have a free energy device and you can't make money out of it by selling the device, then the idea would be to establish your own energy company and sell the generated energy without making it public that your generators run for free and need no fuel.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 08, 2018, 03:15:33 PM
I rest my case... :)

All the best...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on January 08, 2018, 03:47:54 PM
Hi Hoppy. If you or someone can demonstrate how someone can pull power from the grid
or similar without a direct electrical connection to the hot phase then you might have some basis
for suggesting this, but I doubt you can. I know power can be drawn from the grid through induction
if you are directly under high voltage power lines, but that is clearly not the case. I think
you are really reaching Hoppy. :) If you or someone else are going to suggest some explanation, it
should at least be something that can be shown to be plausible. :)


Hi Void,

The alternative method I was referring to was the use of a petrol generator or similar. TK's team would have had easy access to one or more of these in his neck of the woods  ;)

Drawing power without direct connection to the grid 'hot' phase is feasible where there exists a sufficient potential difference between grid grounding points but this is most unlikely to be how TK's contraptions were powered. Its more likely that in his garden demos, he made a direct connection to the grid 'hot' phase and returned direct to earth ground, or used a remote located generator.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 08, 2018, 04:28:20 PM
Hi Void,
The alternative method I was referring to was the use of a petrol generator or similar. TK's team would have had easy access to one or more of these in his neck of the woods  ;)
Drawing power without direct connection to the grid 'hot' phase is feasible where there exists a sufficient potential difference between grid grounding points but this is most unlikely to be how TK's contraptions were powered. Its more likely that in his garden demos, he made a direct connection to the grid 'hot' phase and returned direct to earth ground, or used a remote located generator.

Hi Hoppy. In order for someone to see those explanations as plausible, they would
have to ignore a lot of the already established facts and other evidence about Kapanadze's
demonstrations. Sorry, but that all seems quite far fetched to me given what we do know about
several of Kapanadze's different demonstrations.

In the green box demonstration, people were standing right there and participating and checking the wires
when the ground connections were made. Kapanadze was said to have been asked by one of the participants
to specifically create the second independent earth ground using the buried car radiator because they wanted
to make sure that there was nothing fishy with the earth ground connection using the water pipe connection.

In that video Kapanadze's device worked with both the water pipe connection and also worked when connected
to the car radiator earth ground, which the participants there could confirm did not have any tricks because they
saw it being made and connected right in front of them and participated in it. When all the evidence from the
different Kapanadze demonstrations are taken fully into account, it seems to me to stand up pretty well to reasonable
scrutiny. This is why I say that though these various demonstration videos alone may not be taken as concrete proof,
when all the known details are taken into account from the various different demonstrations, it seems to be at least fairly
credible evidence that Kapanadze's devices may possibly really be doing what he claims they do. On the other hand, I have
so far never seen any credible evidence of trickery used by Kapanadze beyond unfounded hearsay and speculation.


All the best...


Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on January 08, 2018, 04:42:07 PM

In the green box demonstration, people were standing right there and participating and checking the wires
when the ground connections were made. Kapanadze was said to have been asked by one of the participants
to specifically create the second independent earth ground using the buried car radiator because they wanted
to make sure that there was nothing fishy with the earth ground connection using the water pipe connection.


Hi Void,

Why would there have been anything fishy with the earth connections with the power switched-off?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on January 08, 2018, 04:55:22 PM
Why Tesla coil generate high voltage but not high amperage ? If you ask correct question you will get correct answer
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 08, 2018, 05:00:23 PM
Hi Void,
Why would there have been anything fishy with the earth connections with the power switched-off?

Hi Hoppy. I hope you are joking. :) When you take the various different demonstrations into account including
the aquarium II demo, the Turkey demo, the claimed remote island demo, etc., it seems very unlikely that they
all could have used a hidden power wire. That seems very far fetched at best to me personally given all the known
circumstances of those different demos. You would have to accept that all the different potential investors and
participants in all those demos were all in on the scam, or they were all complete morons.  :) Anyway, I don't
want to hijack this thread further responding repeatedly to baseless and far fetched speculations about hidden
power wires, etc.  If you have some credible evidence of fraud then post it, otherwise I think it is not reasonable
at all to assume such was the case given all the known details about the different demos, which I think stand up pretty
well to scrutiny when all the details are taken into account as a whole. This is of course just my own personal opinion. :)


All the best...

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on January 08, 2018, 05:17:09 PM
Hi Void,

A magician can pull many things from his hat. We are getting into an endless loop exchange which we need to terminate. Let's wait and see if Wottsup can expand on his voltage layering idea.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on January 08, 2018, 09:43:17 PM
Energy of every generator is taken from magnetic field not from mechanical energy which is wasted to break the force of magnetic attraction of ferromagnetic cores.
Energy in every transformer is taken from magnetic field not from the electric field of primary winding, because the secondary is used to control the flux inside the core which control the impedance to the primary source of electric field.
Here Melnichenko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8c82ABs02M
he was close to understand as Kapanadze said.
also here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LLPGbf87aU
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on January 08, 2018, 09:52:24 PM
Read video comment - very true
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 09, 2018, 01:04:20 AM
Hi Forest. Melnichenko's video is interesting, but unfortunately he didn't show
measuring the power being consumed in the two bulbs, so there is no way
to know if the power consumed by the two bulbs is really greater than
the input power. Since the bulbs are being powered by the flyback spikes,
and it is a high frequency such as 2 kHz or whatever, it would not be so easy at all
to measure the power consumption in the two bulbs accurately. Since Melnichenko
did not show how he measured the power consumption in the two bulbs, you just have
to take his word for it that the total power consumption of the bulbs is greater than
the input power. It is still an interesting setup though.

All the best...

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 09, 2018, 03:08:14 AM
if you look in the direction the lady is taking pictures
You see a clip-on a/c meter on the mains


and the second bulb goes through an analog ammeter


It doesn’t show the readings in the you-tube translation
We should seek the full version of his documentary
If we want that visual. (not that it should matter much)
as Void pointed out, the accuracy is almost non-existent


It’s difficult to calculate these interactions.
it is an asymmetric magnetic field.
The Maxwell-Faraday equation can deal with this,
but it is not as straight forward as a coil and an inductor,
or a coil and magnet.


the field density is different on one side than the other,
and we have to deal with the second magnetic field.
(and the tension caused by this)


and what this does to the electric induction.
instantaneous current through one end of the coil,
is not the same as through the other end,
each loop of the wire must be calculated with the
appropriate field dynamics, at that location along the wire.





Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 09, 2018, 03:09:26 AM
H.R. Johnson’s work deals with this exclusively
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Belfior on January 09, 2018, 09:04:45 AM
This is the reason any respectable OU setup needs to be self running. There can be no "switch charging battery with the load battery every 15 minutes" or any other kinda bullshit that can be interpreted what ever way people want.

If the device is self running it doesn't matter if there is 0 meters on it or if the device runs on 2MHz. Self running with a light bulb on top of the pile. That's it.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: leo48 on January 09, 2018, 01:21:03 PM
 ;D

Only the user stivep1 is missing, then we are all there
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on January 09, 2018, 01:40:06 PM
This is the reason any respectable OU setup needs to be self running. There can be no "switch charging battery with the load battery every 15 minutes" or any other kinda bullshit that can be interpreted what ever way people want.

If the device is self running it doesn't matter if there is 0 meters on it or if the device runs on 2MHz. Self running with a light bulb on top of the pile. That's it.
Did you say a blue light' on the top, I think I have seen something like that on the TV if it's of any consalation bbc i think was the channel, that was a self runner once the big red button was pressed.

Seriously Belfior are you working on a device like you mention or is it a wish list ?  I luv a good joke it lightens up the thread a good bit so I see your point.

Strange you mention 2MHz have you come across the new release of 555 timers they are mega fast by NS NTC7555 the few I have have no trouble hammering away at over 3MHz if your into experimenting, that is past for a RT mono would make it possible to make a NANO pulser with one.

On a serious note what you have to realize N Tesla didn't have nano pursers in the 20 or 50s they had to use a spark gap unless you read and think out side the box hidden stuff can go unnoticed.
Allen
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Belfior on January 09, 2018, 01:46:28 PM


Seriously Belfior are you working on a device like you mention or is it a wish list ?  I luv a good joke it lightens up the thread a good bit so I see your point.


Yes I am seriously working on a device.

TK did not have any serious equipment. I think the effect was found without any fancy components like transistors.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: wattsup on January 09, 2018, 03:04:00 PM
Hi Wottsup,

In an LC circuit, we either have series resonance where the current maximises at the expense of voltage, or parallel resonance where voltage maximises at the expense of current. Neither of them offer an increase in overall output power with respect to the level source power. Looking at it in terms of energy sourced and expended, we just add time to the equation. Are you suggesting that by somehow layering voltage, we can overcome this relationship?

@Happy

Yes, we all know many things because we have tried them. But this part I don't think has been looked at. Using the HV AC time cycle and calculate when to chop a portion of the rise going up and the rise going down. Base 50hz in the case of TK.

So again in the green box setup, if TK supplied 12vdc car battery to his inverter box then provides the 220 VAC at 50Hz base cycle timing to the green box. On the box you have two mosfets and two toggle switches plus a spark gap. We know the inverter only at 220 VAC cannot provide the spark to the spark gap so there has to be a voltage rise in the green box and we know the primary of that HV coil can run just by receiving the AC of the inverter as the base timing.

But what I think is this. In the green box you have two HV tranformers where the primaries are connected in parallel to the inverter output via the 2nd activated toggle switch. One of the two HV outputs goes through the spark gap then through one of the mosfets, while the output of the 2nd HV coil goes directly to the other mosfet. The 2nd toggle switch simply connects a pulse circuit to the two bases of the mosfets. In order to prevent component failure, you absolutely have to toggle the switch to start the mosfet base pulsing first before you toggle the 2nd switch to apply 220 to the HV primaries.

So let's say the HV output is 4800 volts and we know the voltage measured at the bulbs was about 600 volts (can't remember precisely but that is not important now). The rise in AC voltage will be 4800 volts in a 1/4 cycle up and a 1/4 cycle down of the 50Hz base cycle provided by the inverter. So you are basically working at a 2nd base of 200Hz. Now 4800 volts divided by 600 volts output equals 8, so if your mosfets were chopping the HV output at 1600Hz, you should get 600 volts directly across those bulbs without ever needing the TK coil. Having two mosfets doing the same thing will provide 16 times more amperage at the 600 volts then the amperage of the HV output alone. That should be enough to start lighting up bulbs.

He then connected the primary of that second canned transformer rectifier to the 600 volts output to bring it down to 14 volts rectified DC in order to charge the car battery and then run the system with the battery removed.

So I always try to look at anything out of the box. Chopping HV is out of the box. The two mosfets chopping probably slightly out of phase then fed back together to one load.

The greatest error all Standard EE (SEE) followers working in OU research is very simple. We then need to clarify where the energy is coming from and in the SEE realm, the only base construct you have to work with is electrons and fields. You will never explain this or any other OU device with electrons and fields. So OUers will say things like;

"The ground connection draws in electrons" because we have to justify from where more electrons will come and from there you get caught up in an endless maze of illogical premises of cause and effect that will turn your head in the wrong direction.

This is where my Spin Conveyance theory can explain it without electrons and fields since in SC those two are non existent. This has put back the sanity in cause/effect descriptions and provides the groundwork for OU to become a normal result of hyper activated nuclei in each of the copper atoms of the apparatus.

I though of an analogy for SEE versus SC. If you have a moving car, the SEE person will ask "How can that car move on its own? Where are the new nuts and bolts entering and exiting the car to keep it intact and moving.". The SC person will say "No problem, all the nuts and bolts are already in the car and there is no need for the car to exchange more nuts and bolts with an outside source." This means in SC the effect is built in to the copper atom nuclei already part of the device so you do not need electrons entering or exiting. You just needs to learn how to excite the copper atom nuclei so eventually you can train them to take a small conveyance and convince those output wires that they are under a large conveyance.

Since we always run our loads with one output source and we always see losses because from the feed supply to the output our system designs include the losses, we try to figure out to obtain OU, we need to attract electrons from somewhere else but in SC we just do away with all that notion and put the total onus on the copper nuclei that can sway a few or many degrees and can convey that sway down the line to the output. This puts the OUer in full control of the cause and the effect and not relegate 90% of what we do to fields and electrons.

A rock falling into water will produce OU. That first water upwell of small diameter grows and expands as the wave gets further from the drop point. No new water was required to enter the upwell to produce it. All the water is already there and the initial upwell water is not moving outwards but is in place and just convinces or conveys to more water atoms to upwell, and more and more. That is how OU should be looked at and from there this will provide new way to work to train those atoms to do more then the source.

I could write pages and pages of this but I think I am not here to push SC but to just show that if you modify your cause/effect base notions, working in OU research becomes normal and the task of producing effects becomes more premeditated, controlled, anticipated, targeted and workable, etc.

So from what I have seen in all of the TK devices or in any purported or future OU device, he is causing copper atoms to sway more then the impulse used to sway them. It could be as above which is a reasonable out of the box suggestion where instead of using one output source, you chop two HV sources and combine the outputs that will excite or convey or sway more of the light bulb filament atom nuclei as light or more of the canned step-down transformer primary nuclei to sway more erratically hence produce more output. Under SC a 1 inch secondary wire should be enough to produce OU once we learn how to better convey to those atoms in that 1 inch of wire to output more. But that is another potential method.

Sorry if I no longer can relate to effects under the SEE construct because SC has now taken over the majority of my effect base so I see everything, all of physics now under the SC construct. What is great is whatever measurements you do under SEE can be used under SC. It's just the cause/effect that changes. This year is the year I will bring this out more formally with SC videos, a revised periodical table of elements and other newer developments. I needed the last few years to do some very deep construct destruction but SC now survived everything with flying colors. I now know SC will change the World much more then I could have ever imagined but I still am careful to try a not distract those who are in their creative OU research phases so SC will be introduce slowly, step by step.

wattsup

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on January 09, 2018, 03:47:26 PM
Yes I am seriously working on a device.

TK did not have any serious equipment. I think the effect was found without any fancy components like transistors.
if you look at the first Akula device he shows two coils inverted and shorted and wound on top of each other but in the opposite seance or direction as if shorted, are you not intrigued by this practice ? he also uses this technique in his LED porch lights.

You might be interested in Richard Feynman he is the man!
https://www.ted.com/talks/richard_feynman

Allen
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on January 09, 2018, 06:58:38 PM
@Happy

A rock falling into water will produce OU. That first water upwell of small diameter grows and expands as the wave gets further from the drop point. No new water was required to enter the upwell to produce it. All the water is already there and the initial upwell water is not moving outwards but is in place and just convinces or conveys to more water atoms to upwell, and more and more. That is how OU should be looked at and from there this will provide new way to work to train those atoms to do more then the source.

wattsup

Good post Wottsup. Your idea on the operation of TK's green box at least fits what we see happening in the video and most important, it requires minimum components and gets rid of the rather silly (eye candy) grenade coil.

However, I'm not sure about the validity of your SC theory OU water ripples analogy because although I've not thought about it in great depth, as I see it, the volume of water displaced during the initial impact of the rock is progessively less at time intervals after impact. That is to say, although the ripple diameter grows, the depth, or volume of water displaced, progressively reduces and therefore the energy required to produce the expanding ripples progressively reduces, like the attenuation of a bell when struck with its hammer. In both cases there is no addition energy produced above that required to create the effect. The electrical equivalent to this is the resonant peak and its decaying waveform.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on January 09, 2018, 08:39:35 PM
A sort of bubbles in the bath think you might get more energy from the vortex if you just removed the plug and recycled the thermal content out of the water, sounds a bit of a dead ringer to me still each to his own.

Also talking about the grenade coil I have an idea about splitting that it might have a better return with the push pull driver circuitry.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 10, 2018, 12:57:07 PM
Energy in every transformer is taken from magnetic field not from the electric field of primary winding, because the secondary is used to control the flux inside the core which control the impedance to the primary source of electric field.
Here Melnichenko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8c82ABs02M
he was close to understand as Kapanadze said.
also here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LLPGbf87aU

Hi Forest
About your statement, i think you limit yourself by noticing only the magnetic field as an energy storage place when it comes with transformers or inductors in general. There is also another storage mechanism namely dielectric which has the same importance as the magnetic field. Energy goes back and forth between the two forms during each cycle.

Nice videos, thanks for sharing. Is there any chance to explain with few words what he is saying about the gaps across the core?  :)
ps. Just noticed that he has English subtitles. Do you see here that induction is less magnetic and more dielectric?

Regards
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 10, 2018, 02:11:53 PM
Good post Wottsup. Your idea on the operation of TK's green box at least fits what we see happening in the video and most important, it requires minimum components and gets rid of the rather silly (eye candy) grenade coil.

However, I'm not sure about the validity of your SC theory OU water ripples analogy because although I've not thought about it in great depth, as I see it, the volume of water displaced during the initial impact of the rock is progessively less at time intervals after impact. That is to say, although the ripple diameter grows, the depth, or volume of water displaced, progressively reduces and therefore the energy required to produce the expanding ripples progressively reduces, like the attenuation of a bell when struck with its hammer. In both cases there is no addition energy produced above that required to create the effect. The electrical equivalent to this is the resonant peak and its decaying waveform.


the energy does not go anywhere, it was already sufficient to displace the volume from the impact
to the shore along the surface-plane.
Otherwise the rock would have ‘skipped’, causing partial displacement ripples, or stopped completely
and sank, producing minimal or no ripples.


when the ripples expand radially, yes their amplitude decreases, so across the same circumference
the volume would be decreasing.
However, the thing to notice here, is that the circumference is increasing.
Resulting in an increased volume of displacement, even though the average amplitude is smaller.
This is a simplified example, where nothing disturbes the ripples.


In a more complex situation, the initial ripples can be redirected to cause interference with themselves
And in certain conditions, cause displacement amplitudes greater than the initial impact.
This is due to gravitational forces on the surface of the water.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on January 10, 2018, 05:14:41 PM

However, the thing to notice here, is that the circumference is increasing.
Resulting in an increased volume of displacement, even though the average amplitude is smaller.
This is a simplified example, where nothing disturbes the ripples.


Hi sm0ky2,

Given that I do not see an OU condition here, I would suggest that the volume displacement drops off because although the circumference of the ripples increases, the speed of apparent outward travel slows, resulting in no overall increase is energy gained over that impacted, that could be in some way utilised for work.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 10, 2018, 05:30:26 PM
wattsup, you suggest that Kapanadze has experience with mosfets and how to connect them correctly? Then what was first? Kapanadze experimented with mosfet transistors and in doing so he discovered an energy amplifying effect, or he discovered an energy amplifying effect and improved it afterwards by using mosfet transistors?


KAPANADZE'S SHUT DOWN DELAY

During the 2004 demonstration Kapanadze unplugged the inverter while the device was running (see video below (http://overunity.com/17535/kapanadze-stepanov-barbosa-leal-and-the-secret-of-free-energy/dlattach/attach/166217/)). He cut the connection between inverter and device. With approximately one second delay the device and the lamps then shut off, generating a faint humming sound thereby. How can that be explained? If this would have been a hoax, simply switching a relay, then why the delay and why the humming noise and why demonstrating it at all?

If we look at the schematic below (this is the electrons from ground version, instead form ionized air), we see a choke (like in Phobos schematic). Given the assumption that the ionization coil (kind of arc welder transformer) generates the surplus of energy, then it is obvious, that a part of the energy can flow back through that choke into the frequency doubler circuit as soon as the connection to the inverter is cut. Hence that device in itself is a closed loop. But the crucial point here is, since there is no 50Hz input reference frequency any longer, what is the frequency of the device? The resonant frequency doubler circuit resonates at 100Hz, that suggests, that the LCR circuit can keep oscillating for a second even without input power and thereby supplying the anode with high voltage at 100Hz. Question: What is the frequency of the output coil in that case? There is no 50Hz reference any more, so it should be 100Hz according to the anode frequency. But supplying the frequency doubler circuit with 100Hz means, it will double the frequency to 200Hz. Each oscillation cycle would double the frequency. One second (the delay) equals 50 doubling cycles. Doubling 50Hz 50 times results in 56294995342131200Hz. What's wrong here? Is there an error in reasoning?

As long as Kapanadze's lamps keep shining bright, there has to be a current, either AC or DC; that's for sure. The Barbosa-Leal patent states, the captor can also work with DC, thus could it be, the Kapanadze device generates DC for one more second as soon as the inverter - the clock generator - is disconnected? How? Guntis (http://www.energeticforum.com/138632-post126.html): »we get very powerful magnetic field«. Then could it be, the magnetic field is that much powerful that it needs one second to die away, to collapse? And within that one second it can power 5000 watts of load as well as pushing the frequency doubler circuit still a bit, so it keeps vibrating the DC output creating that noise? Enlightening!

I would suppose, as the observed behavior of Kapanadze's device in the video fits the schematic below, that schematic can't be wrong completely.


POLARIZED OR NOT POLARIZED

Also one more riddle has been solved: What's the difference between a polarized and a non-polarized captor as mentioned in the Barbosa-Leal patent? That expression refers to the load (not the captor). Polarized means, both, load and captor circuits are connected to ground (Kapanadze's device), whereas non-polarized means, the load is potential-free (floating). Therefore, when the load is floating and the mains plug can be turned around at will, there cannot be a ground loop that circumvents the power meter. Phase and neutral are connected to the primary coil, isolated from the secondary's ground connection. Since this is clearly drawn in the patent, Barbosa and Leal must have been aware of this right from the beginning. So, no way they filed five patents and called a press conference because of a stupid measurement error due to a ground loop.

One more question: Why is Kapanadze's device polarized? Because connecting the light bulbs to ground (instead just the captor as necessary) gives the false impression, that the ground current is going through the load? Kapanadze's ground current correlates with the current going through the load. Why, when the ground current does not go directly through the load? That's the next question. 5000 watts divided by 220 volts equals 22.7 amps theoretically; the green box ground current measurement shows 22.3 amps practically. The more amps the load draws, the stronger the magnetic field in the iron core of the transformer (or call it choke), the more electrons are drawn from ground. This has to mean vice versa, if there is no load, then there is (almost) no magnetic field and no current from ground. But why should an ohmic resistance (lamps) parallel to the coil strengthen the magnetic field? And what happens if the load is too low ohmic and thus draws too much current, or even completely shorted? The anode attracts electrons from ground, the magnetic field then captures them in a closed circuit. Those electrons generate a magnetic field in that circuit, thereby reversing Lenz's law. What does that mean? Let's say, the secondary coil of a standard transformer is shorted, then the primary coil draws more current. But here Lenz's law is reversed. So, if the secondary coil of a reversed Lenz's law transformer is shorted, then the primary coil draws less current. Further, since the load here is connected to the primary coil instead to the secondary, there is even one more reversion. If the primary coil of a reversed Lenz's law transformer is shorted (through the load), the secondary coil draws more current, this time from ground not the grid, because of the twofold reversion. All laws of physics seem to be in reverse mode and also is the connection method.

There are pitfalls all over the place. Time to get some planks to cover them.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 10, 2018, 07:43:10 PM
The term “polarized capacitor” generally refers to capacitors that are designed to
have terminal designation.
Meaning one leg is always -, the other always +
Non-polarized capacitors can be reversible.
Meaning either leg can be + or -, or even switch back and forth.


This is usually marked on the casing.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on January 10, 2018, 09:29:22 PM
Very good, but there is other explanation possible : what is the role of spark ? It could be the power limiting device.Somehow the excess power is converted into electrostatic form and dumped to ground via spark gap. The interesting part is that even connected to AC mains there is still spark visible,hmm.
But the Guntis remark is the most important one.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: wattsup on January 11, 2018, 06:47:23 AM
Hi Wottsup,

In an LC circuit, we either have series resonance where the current maximises at the expense of voltage, or parallel resonance where voltage maximises at the expense of current. Neither of them offer an increase in overall output power with respect to the level source power. Looking at it in terms of energy sourced and expended, we just add time to the equation. Are you suggesting that by somehow layering voltage, we can overcome this relationship?

@Happy

Yes I know, it's not easy finding the right analog to explain certain things. I should not have used the word OU first but wanted mostly to explain that the water located at the first point of impact is generally still there at that point and the upwell is conveyed atom to atom going further out and only with this limited ability we see the expanding wave going out and giving us the "illusion" of wave travel.

@Zeitmaschine

Look, straight out you already know that my first instinct is TK faked his green box device with the bearded guy holding the feed line. That is the most logical reasoning and I already proved it above coincidence, but let's just go the extra mile and try to rationalize his device for what it is as far as we can ascertain from the visible evidence, the visible and measured data and let's just give the bearded guy a few days rest.

Oh boy, as for your post there are so many points you cover with terms that take so such for granted that it is difficult to reply plus many I do not have an answer for. Firstly about TK devices, we should not then bring in other inventors devices as this only creates additional factors that may or may not be relevant to TK.

For the delay in the lightbulbs going off. There will always be a delay because from active to inactive you will always have a time factor. The bulb cannot turn off before you open the contact. If the inverter output went directly to the load, we would expect a quick bulb off condition. But that line went to his circuitry device so there may be a ramp down that gives that second more again that would be expected. I would then have to familiarize myself with the total video to give you more answers but I do not think it matters right now.

The observation however is sound and should be taken into consideration, but from my experience in figuring out mysteries, once you have looked and looked and function starts dawning on you and you work that function to see if it correlates with the effects in all the videos and the closer you get to the proper function the more the correlations become obvious. We are not there yet.

The point of my intervention is simple with the Green Box because it is basically the most open one we have seen even though the Green Box was closed, there was enough movements, changes, measurements just in this one event.

Things like when he connected the looping transformer back to the battery so he could remove the battery while it was running he showed a standard step down transformer with secondary rectified so we actually saw one event that showed standard expected coupling ability. So if he needed more coupling ability why is the TK coil made like a copper wire ice cream cone? Why not just use another off the self transformer? We are talking many watts of power here and there is nothing in the TK coil that would justify any such ability to transfer all those watts from one form to another form before it supplies the load.

Then the spark gap is coming from the green box. In other devices the spark gap is in series to the TK coil. So what is he using the TK coil for? The simple observation is the TK coil is a decoy or at best a single conductor of a length of wire that is used to layer on the chopping of HV output from the two mosfets. The TK coil cannot couple thousands of watts of energy. Anyone can find standard 220vac transformers and you will see what is required to coupling that much energy regardless if it is isolated, step up or step down.

If the TK device really works like he shows, it has to do with tricking the output wire with an extra exaggerated form of electrical excitation. I would have to expand on that and just that notion but just that could take weeks to explain because you will not be able to understand it using the Standard EE methods.

But I suggest no one bring in anything from other inventors and just concentrate of the TK devices as they are shown.

OK, let's say that TK only discovered one exceptional effect, but that effect is so straight forward and so powerful that trying to get this in the market without giving out the workings is impossible. What would you do? What would anyone do if they wanted to show the effect without giving it out. You put everything in a green box and dress up the ancillary props to create distractions so people will never be able to figure it out. Why is the TK coil different in most all his devices? Some seem to come out of a science fiction movie. The only common link is it's a simple length of wire dressed up to look like a special coil.

So what we need to do is look at what you cannot hide. You cannot hide the effects, regardless of the device, there has to be one factor that holds all of them together and once you know what it is, it has to then stand up consistently in the other video devices. It also has to be out of the box. It has to be based on the evidence available without trying to dress it up.

This is why the only thing that I can think of is HV chopping. How he discovered it, did he discover it before or after this or that is not important because this again sets you up for more possible errors in how to see and consider the effects.

As far as I know, I have never seen anyone try to chop HV into smaller increments so for me, this automatically becomes a good venue of research because the green box visible components, two mosfets, two toggles, etc., fall into them very well. But for sure I do not have all the answers and right now have not done the research.

What I do know is that 120 volts AC mains cannot be the same thing as 120 volts AC chopped from a 4000 volts rise. The former is always controlled which is one of the great utilitarian attributes of AC. The power rises controlled, descends controlled, rises again controlled and descends again always controlled then starts the next cycle always starting from a controlled point of reference. Controlled is what AC is. I say controlled because there is no chance of free ring down like in DC.

Compare that to a HV source that is chopped into 120 vac increments and what do you have. You now have a power source that is not controlled but extracted from a rise state so there is no controlled anything. It just BECOMES and that kind of power generation I have never seen before so what the effect will be is a good guess but for me a valid enough out of the box while realistic enough line of attack.

Sorry for long post but I am really busy these days so I can usually post replies a few days later when more pages go by.

So the first question and really only out of the box question to ask is can a HV source be chopped down to a lower voltage with mosfets? If some of the EEers could fall into this question I think the results will open new avenues to move forward from there.

So lastly, for me, if TK is real or fake is besides the point. For me, using my own powers of observation to derive anything that can be considered as a new avenue of researching is already a great thing in itself and in all cases, if this ever matured into OU, the only thing I would thank TK for is nothing but him being a pain in the ass. Any advancement from here would be our own mutual advancement and I would give zero credit to TK for that only to say yes, even fake devices could become a catalyst for creative research.

wattsup

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 11, 2018, 07:38:10 AM
@Wattsup amd Hoppy: 
You guys are funny. Wattsup refers to Hoppy as 'Happy' and
Hoppy refers to Wattsup as 'Wottsup'. ;D


P.S. @Everyone: Speculation is not fact. It might be true, but it might be completely false. :)
Coils might be decoys, but they might just as well be essential too. The only way to know if something
works or not is to see if it is working in a test circuit. Bottom line. You can't be sure about anything with these
circuits unless you can prove it with a working test circuit, or unless Kapanadze has a change of heart and 
gives specific details about what is going on in his devices and people can get that to actually work as well.   ;)
Brainstorming is good, but I see a lot of apparent speculation being expressed as if it is demonstrated facts. :)

All the best...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: cheappower2012 on January 11, 2018, 09:11:55 AM
In the green box there isn't enough shots at the right angles to show that it isn't fake.
In the 2004 video there is a coffee can hooked to a orange coil of wire,the orange wire along with another wire form the output
the spark is simply to fool the observer that its a Tesla invention.The coils discharge across the orange coil creates a series of high level pulses,mixed with the 50hz 220vac,creating a condition where,it makes reading a voltage hard to do.It also creates a fake current reading in the green box video using the clampmeter he used.The orange coil as well as all the other coils used in all of Kapanadzes
video's are a part of the device,current is created in the coil,its simply a coil,it make no difference as to how its wound only the length
is important,longer length more energy.In one device he uses three coils that are simply coils,its a 3 phase device so requires one coil for each phase.Kapanadze's device amplifies current,amplifying voltage is nonsense,if you define current as the the number of electrons effected,where voltage is the force applied it makes sense.The tpu is basically a variation of Kapandaze's device,the difference is its a series of pulses of high current,a bifilar coil is used it serves the same purpose as the coil in kapanadze's device,however its grounded,so most of the energy is lost as heat,the secondary of the bifilar coil has a diode and a capacitor,this outputs dc voltage to a load.These high energy pulses creates a mechanical effect,a vibration its not caused by a magnetic field,when a coil is wound and subjected to current pulses
it feels like a mechanical effect.In this video theres high current pulses at about 20 to 30 pulses a second applied to a coil, the tapping
noise is an unknown effect,its said to be a slamming of electrons on copper atoms,it happens along the wire at every point.
This is not a magnetic effect,it fits well with the description of the tpu feeling like a mechanical device yet made of wires.
In the Kapandaze device you are amplifying ac current,where in the tpu you are amplifying current pulses.We have to remember that Jack Durban saw the big tpu and played with it,he is an electronic engineer,so if the vibration was merely an ordinary effect of magnetic fields
he would have figured it very quickly,he had no clue.Because speculation in regards to the tpu can be applied to the kapanadze device,in the tpu,the strange looking toroids came from a few defective stereos that he rented out of hes business,there in a high end custom stereo,the toroids were used as filter chokes,because of the defect they had, there effective inductance was zero. In the Kapanadze device the toroid is replaced by strange green transformer,in some devices,Kapanadze would rewind the transformer in some devices,
the core is like two toroids back to back.This transformer was common in the soviet block,from 1970's to late 1980's,there was a lot of surplus transformers around.Kapanadze tinkered with the surplus transformers and accidentally created the device,as did SM tinkering with the toroids,accidentally created the tpu. here is a video showing the mechanical noise generated by the current pulses
the device creating the pulses, was created to test very large current pulses on toroids constructed like SM's,and plotting the magnetic field.Some things are speculation I look for, is it possible,In the case of Kapandaze you have ask the question why did only him come up with this device,two answers one its fake,two the main component the green transformer is only made at the time in the soviet block,it was not used in Europe or  used in the US or anywhere else,except the soviet block.In the case of the tpu I have seen the toroid in the stereo in real life in the past,in the case of the green transformer I have taken a few apart to study them.There are also a lot of clues in the aquarium 2 video.
Kapanadze is full of tricks and wants everybody to believe its a Tesla invention.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt7DoR0qtzo
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on January 11, 2018, 10:31:20 AM

Look, straight out you already know that my first instinct is TK faked his green box device with the bearded guy holding the feed line. That is the most logical reasoning and I already proved it above coincidence, but let's just go the extra mile and try to rationalize his device for what it is as far as we can ascertain from the visible evidence, the visible and measured data and let's just give the bearded guy a few days rest.

wattsup

Even more speculation!  That TK had a hidden power supply and a lot of eye candy is to me beyond question. That does not mean that I'm also convinced that his contraptions were necessarily out and out deliberate fakes. Its possible that he genuinely believed he had discovered a special power amplifying effect that he could not explain as technically conventional and could cash-in on. Bringing real investors to his garden demos and not letting them use anything more than clamp meters and seeing anything more than the contraption boxes at a safe distance with a good chat line was a nonsense. That TK believed he could convince real investors in this way indicates that he is either delusional, or just a con man simply hoping to find a naive investor willing to shell out loads of money on the basis of what amounted to nothing really more than a visual inspection. His demos and conduct do nothing to convince me in any way that he is a man with devices that could change the course of the world.

We have a few years to go round and round in pain in the ass discussions about his various contraptions and speculation is all we have had and can ever have about them. TK has delivered us a very big Pandora's Box!
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on January 11, 2018, 11:13:24 AM
Even more speculation!  That TK had a hidden power supply and a lot of eye candy is to me beyond question. That does not mean that I'm also convinced that his contraptions were necessarily out and out deliberate fakes. Its possible that he genuinely believed he had discovered a special power amplifying effect that he could not explain as technically conventional and could cash-in on. Bringing real investors to his garden demos and not letting them use anything more than clamp meters and seeing anything more than the contraption boxes at a safe distance with a good chat line was a nonsense. That TK believed he could convince real investors in this way indicates that he is either delusional, or just a con man simply hoping to find a naive investor willing to shell out loads of money on the basis of what amounted to nothing really more than a visual inspection. His demos and conduct do nothing to convince me in any way that he is a man with devices that could change the course of the world.

We have a few years to go round and round in pain in the ass discussions about his various contraptions and speculation is all we have had and can ever have about them. TK has delivered us a very big Pandora's Box!
Yes it's all very amusing points to consider you mention hidden batterys if he had one in his device it would not have had the capacity to deliver that kind of power for that long a duration and would have exploded.
Another point is you have talked about spark gaps being hidden candy, high voltage and frequency accelerates (agitates ) the electrons. Come on you can do better than that !

Some other points that face a buyer once he has it and markets it any buyer with a brain has another problem forgery by copy it's not secure.

Over to you ;)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on January 11, 2018, 11:30:30 AM
Not hidden batteries Alien. As per discussions way back concluded, not the capacity as you and others have pointed out. The power would have to be from the grid or more likely a remote generator, as these must be plentiful in TK's neck of the woods. I mentioned the grenade coil as being likely eye candy. The spark gap may not be.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on January 11, 2018, 11:55:38 AM
Not hidden batteries Alien. As per discussions way back concluded, not the capacity as you and others have pointed out. The power would have to be from the grid or more likely a remote generator, as these must be plentiful in TK's neck of the woods. I mentioned the grenade coil as being likely eye candy. The spark gap may not be.
   It's a problem of a sad fact on here that magnifying and accelerating electrons happens and has been suppressed considerably in a good many of this threads and a good many people on here are of novice caliber who need to learn quick.

Suppose we take the dally push pull module and feed it into a caducious coil both primary's do you think we might get a standing wave out of the two ends all ready set up ? that's just one idea, so now acceleration is not so much a fair ground miniature  skelter castle or pie in the sky is it ?                           
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: wattsup on January 11, 2018, 01:40:11 PM
@Wattsup amd Hoppy: 
You guys are funny. Wattsup refers to Hoppy as 'Happy' and
Hoppy refers to Wattsup as 'Wottsup'. ;D

P.S. @Everyone: Speculation is not fact. It might be true, but it might be completely false. :)
Coils might be decoys, but they might just as well be essential too. The only way to know if something
works or not is to see if it is working in a test circuit. Bottom line. You can't be sure about anything with these
circuits unless you can prove it with a working test circuit, or unless Kapanadze has a change of heart and 
gives specific details about what is going on in his devices and people can get that to actually work as well.   ;)
Brainstorming is good, but I see a lot of apparent speculation being expressed as if it is demonstrated facts. :)
All the best...

Yep, you are so right. I always saw his username as @Happy. Sorry about that @Hoppy. I'll remove the smile and replace it with a jumping jack. hahaha. Also Wattsup has no capital W.

I don't think anyone here is insinuating any facts but you have to agree this is far more then speculation. Speculation is when you have nothing of substance to base it on. What we are doing is more of an inventory of possibilities based on possible known and some unknown effects. Unless TK hid the real OU somewhere inside the TK coil, that coil has nothing conducive to mass coupling hence it could be a one pass concentration point for HV chopping. Sorry I don't have a better word for it.

Since HV chop is something I have never done or heard of, so for me it's new, so I will make plans to try it on the bench. It does not have to be to scale to see if the basic idea is workable so any HV coil will do. I imagine PNP will be required so no problem, I have many. I also have a permanent true ground cable coming into my lab to simulate the underground radiator. The bulbs only need to be in series with the ground and the chopped HV output.

wattsup

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: kpannic on January 11, 2018, 02:15:58 PM
I think the ideea is mix low voltage and high amp with high voltage and low amp. The orange wire already have high amps and add voltage from high voltage. Everything is like mixing oil with water .. we need a tool to do that, kapanadze discovery that tool.
***** Tariel said, the device is very simple ****** let's start from here.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Belfior on January 11, 2018, 02:32:44 PM
I think the solution is so simple that it made TK add all kinds of smoke and mirrors to his device. You only add extra crap if the solution would be obvious otherwise.

Like how does the secondary coil in a transformer know what produced the flux? No electrons pass the transformer coils to each other. So what if I use HV on the primary and pull out 230V from the secondary? Where does the need for amps come from?

Or if I charge a cap 35000 times per second with 5kV , feed that through a spark gap into a primary and then take 230V AC out of the secondary. Does the load on the secondary magically pull amps from my 5kV device or does it pull it from the magnetic flux on the transformer core?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on January 11, 2018, 03:13:23 PM
Hoppy I thought it was from that clip in south Pacific 'Hoppy talk' nice clip if you can find it.
To live some where like that miles from the rest of humanity sop called civilization would certainly be different.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: kpannic on January 11, 2018, 04:53:38 PM
a few moments ago I  destroy an 220v / 12v1A adapter, but I can not figure out how I did it. The connection between the spark and circuit it was isolated by the optocoupler and toroid transformer (see diagram below). The oscillating circuit and the mosfet are not damaging. WHAT HAPPENED?
A small explosion occurred in the adapter that fed the oscillating cycle when I was playing with the frequency of the oscillator. I think it was a fraction of a second I see yellow flash that does not know where it came from. (from the bulb?). Inside of the adapter I found pieces of an integrated circuit.


Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 11, 2018, 05:00:25 PM
On the left-hand side there is a 400Hz sine wave drawn by the editor software. The wave on the right-hand side shows the Kapanadze shut down noise. As it looks, it is also 400Hz.

Now someone can explain to me how the device can make a sound at a frequency of 400Hz when it is disconnected (http://overunity.com/17535/kapanadze-stepanov-barbosa-leal-and-the-secret-of-free-energy/dlattach/attach/166217/) from the 50Hz inverter? My guess: The 50Hz frequency is doubled to 100Hz, then (after disconnect) to 200Hz then to 400Hz. Then the resonant frequency doubler can't resonate any higher, so it stays at 400Hz. If someone has a better explanation, I'm all ears.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 11, 2018, 05:06:49 PM
a few moments ago I  destroy an 220v / 12v1A adapter, but I can not figure out how I did it. The connection between the spark and circuit it was isolated by the optocoupler and toroid transformer (see diagram below). The oscillating circuit and the mosfet are not damaging. WHAT HAPPENED?
A small explosion occurred in the adapter that fed the oscillating cycle when I was playing with the frequency of the oscillator. I think it was a fraction of a second I see yellow flash that does not know where it came from. (from the bulb?). Inside of the adapter I found pieces of an integrated circuit.

Hi kpannic. I have had a similar thing happen where a power adapter for a little portable
signal generator I have has burned up twice now when experimenting with circuits that produce
high voltage spikes. In my case the two power adapters which burned up were the switching regulator
type. I would guess that what is happening is the high voltage spikes are possibly coupled into the switching
regulator circuitry by induction, and this causes the control circuitry to go wonky and can cause something in
the regulator circuitry to burn out. Testing with high voltage AC or pulsing setups can always potentially cause
surrounding circuitry to blow, so it is always risky!

All the best...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 11, 2018, 05:33:43 PM
On the left-hand side there is a 400Hz sine wave drawn by the editor software. The wave on the right-hand side shows the Kapanadze shut down noise. As it looks, it is also 400Hz.

Now someone can explain to me how the device can make a sound at a frequency of 400Hz when it is disconnected from the 50Hz inverter? My guess: The 50Hz frequency is doubled to 100Hz, then (after disconnect) to 200Hz then to 400Hz. Then the resonant frequency doubler can't resonate any higher, so it stays at 400Hz. If someone has a better explanation, I'm all ears.

Hi Zeitmaschine. Just to confirm, are you talking about the 2004 Kapanadze demo video where
he unplugs his device from the inverter output and the lights continue to glow for about
a second or so, and a noise is heard as the lights go dim?

All the best...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 11, 2018, 06:15:40 PM
@Void, yes.

Still the main question is, how to construct the high voltage anode in detail, and do we need a spark gap or not, and should the second wire of the high voltage transformer be connected directly to ground or could we do something else with it?

To have a spark gap will not hurt anything, because we can bridge it quickly. The problem is the anode. Barbosa and Leal use a copper pipe as secondary coil. What can we do with a copper pipe? First, we can make a closed loop with it, otherwise a current can not flow in that circuit. Second, we can put it through an iron core which generates a magnetic field (not much turns possible though). Third, we can connect it to ground. Fourth, we can wrap something around it. Fifth we can put something in it. The latter is only relevant if we do not use a solid wire (like seen in an other Barbosa-Leal demonstration) instead of a pipe.

What if there were an anode (positive against ground) and in addition a cathode (negative against ground), so ground is not the cathode but something between? The patent drawings do not show this in detail, maybe it is difficult to draw - experienced that myself while drawing the illustration on reply #90.

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 11, 2018, 06:32:04 PM
Here is a FFT audio spectrum analysis of the shut down noise from the Kapanadze 2004 full demo video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r99g4mjEvTE

This occurs at about 24:32 to 24:33 in this video.
Kapanadze unplugs his device from the output of his inverter and the lights take about a second
or so before they go out. A prominent noise can be heard as the lights are going dim.

I used some decent quality audio FFT analysis software which I have to do this FTT analysis of the audio
when Kapanadze's device is shutting down. See the attached screen shot to see what the
audio frequency spectrum of that shut down noise looks like. The FFT software plugin I used has
a cursor feature that allows you to determine the exact frequency of any peaks in the audio frequency spectrum.
I used this feature to determine the exact frequency of some of the more prominent peaks
in the audio frequency spectrum, and I indicated these frequencies on the attached screen shot.

Prominent peaks are at about 169Hz, 236 Hz, 366Hz, 468 HZ, and 669HZ, give or take a few Hz.

It is also interesting that there are some harmonic looking peaks at frequencies above
6 kHZ which appear to be growing in amplitude as the frequency increases, but the audio from the video
is compressed and the audio compression algorithm used in the Youtube video cuts off the audio at 12 kHz,
so we can't see what is above 12 kHz. These peaks are at about: 6.84 kHz, 7.82 kHz, 9.02 kHz, 10.1 kHz, 11.4 kHz.

It doesn't look like there is any obvious harmonic relationship to 50Hz that I can notice.


All the best...

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on January 11, 2018, 06:51:03 PM
you put 220V 0,5A into and get 220V 23A at output
that's how it works
very simple
you already know the answer , Guntis told you
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 11, 2018, 07:19:04 PM
In comparison, a similar audio analysis I did last year of some noise from the Kapanadze
Aquarium 1 video showed four prominent peaks right at 200 Hz, 300 Hz, 400 Hz, 500 Hz,
and the peaks at 600 Hz and 700 Hz are a bit lower but still prominent, and the harmonic
peaks continue at regular 100 Hz intervals from there and climb in amplitude as the frequency increases
up to about 1.5 kHz. A waveform shape that has all harmonics occurring regularly at both the odd and even
harmonic frequencies is a sawtooth waveform. So the indication from that audio analysis is the Aquarium 1 Kapanadze
device was possibly operating at 200 Hz, and this waveform (which was making the noise which I analyzed) may possibly
look somewhat similar in shape to a sawtooth waveform. This is of course assuming that the actual electric waveform
in the Kapanadze device causing the buzzing noise that is heard is at all similar to the audio noise it was generating.
That is not at all for certain however.


P.S. I have also attached a screen shot of the time domain waveform of the buzzing noise which I did
the FFT audio analysis on. You can see that the audio waveform at least is somewhat of a sawtooth
shape, but that is no guarantee that the actual electrical waveform in the device causing the noise
looks really similar, but it may look similar.
All the best...

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 11, 2018, 10:37:33 PM
Here is an audio FFT analysis of some buzzing noise from around 11:48 in the Kapanadze green box demo video.
(I used the video that has the English translation as captions).
The buzzing noise FFT pattern is different again, so go figure. :)

There are four harmonic peaks between around 400 Hz to 700 Hz which are
pretty close to being right on hundred Hz divider lines, but some are off a little bit.
You don't have the big peak at 200 Hz in this buzzing noise from the green box demo video.
So, it looks like trying to read anything definite into this audio analysis is not so clear cut.
The buzzing noise is not always the same, it seems.

This FFT sample also has the harmonic peaks occurring roughly about every kHz above 6 kHz,
so that is interesting.

It is also interesting that in all three FFT audio analysis tests I did of buzzing noise from three different
Kapanadze devices, that 50 Hz or 100 Hz never show up as prominent frequencies. Make of that what you will... ;D

All the best...

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 12, 2018, 02:50:44 AM
We are sure all the videos are running at the correct speed? Recorded on analog video tape then digitized then uploaded to YT, converted there to mp4, then downloaded, maybe re-uploaded between? The 2004 video metadata reads in one version 24 Frames/Sec in an other version 25 Frames/Sec.

BTW, the noise in the green box video is most likely generated by the fan in front of the heat sinks.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 12, 2018, 04:17:38 AM
Hi Zeitmaschine. I am not certain of anything, but the audio didn't sound noticeably off.
Any compression and processing done by Youtube on a video can degrade the audio
fidelity quality, but it shouldn't alter audio frequencies unless something is really
not working right.

Of course the fan in the green box video was making some noise, but I have never
heard that kind of fan making a buzzing noise like that. There was of course a mixture of sounds there,
but that is why I used the FFT analysis as it gives you a good view of the entire frequency content.

Anyway, I just did the audio analysis to see if it shows anything interesting when comparing between
a few different Kapanadze devices. I am not attempting to draw any definite conclusions from it. Also,
as I mentioned, whatever audio buzzing noises the devices make would not necessarily correspond
exactly or even closely to the electrical waveforms and corresponding frequencies used in the devices,
although there may be some real correlation to some extent. I do think it is interesting that the buzzing
from the three different devices does not show any prominent audio frequency content at 50 Hz and
100 Hz,  but as I said previously, make of that what you will. ;D It would probably be an interesting comparison
to do an FFT analysis on a 50Hz or 60 Hz power transformer powered from the grid that is buzzing to see what
the audio frequency content is for comparison.


All the best...



Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 12, 2018, 05:19:51 AM
Ok, to see how the buzzing in Kapanadze's devices compare to a buzzing transformer
that is connected to the grid, I used the following Youtube video to take my audio sample:
"Extreme Transformer Hum (super loud microwave transformer)"
https://youtu.be/Zj0j1HmKmZw?t=57
I took my audio sample at about 0:57 in the above video.

Something that just occurred to me is that 50 Hz audio will probably not
be picked up so well on cheaper microphones, so if the video camera used to
record a video doesn't have a very high quality mic it might not pick up 50 Hz
very well. So that might possibly explain why we don't see anything happening
at 50 Hz in the buzzing in the Kapanadze videos I analyzed audio on.

Likewise, in the MOT transformer buzzing video I used that is linked above, I don't
see a frequency peak at 50 Hz, but it does show a frequency peak at 100 Hz, so
that is something to consider. It is also interesting that the MOT transformer buzzing
contains harmonics at pretty much every hundred hertz harmonic point up to just above
2 kHz, so it is not so different from the buzzing seen for the three Kapanadze devices,
but there are maybe some differences. The Kapanadze ones didn't have any noticeable
peak right at 100 Hz, but otherwise I guess maybe not a huge difference.

P.S. I guess the most interesting one is from the 2004 demo when the inverter is unplugged.
Maybe with the inverter unplugged the frequency starts to drift off as it is dying out, so maybe
that is why it is quite different. Just taking a guess though. No way to say for sure. :)


All the best...

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on January 12, 2018, 10:11:11 AM
It is also interesting that the MOT transformer buzzing
contains harmonics at pretty much every hundred hertz harmonic point up to just above
2 kHz, so it is not so different from the buzzing seen for the three Kapanadze devices,
but there are maybe some differences. The Kapanadze ones didn't have any noticeable
peak right at 100 Hz, but otherwise I guess maybe not a huge difference.


All the best...

I have a DIY built spot welder made from a modified MOT and the TK 2004 hum sound to my ear is identical. The loudest hum is when the MOT is energised but not loaded. In the 2004 video, the hum continues after the load is switched on from the tin can and stops when the inverter is unplugged from the mains. This suggests that there may have been a DIY transformer in the box under the work bench (the same box as used in the green box demo) that had very loose laminations.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on January 12, 2018, 10:19:19 AM
I have a DIY built spot welder made from a modified MOT and the TK 2004 hum sound to my ear is identical. The loudest hum is when the MOT is energized but not loaded. My guess is that the TK hum stopped or reduced considerably when the load was switched in. Maybe we need to be looking at the possibility that TK had a very heavy current TRAFO winding in the green box.
What ?  every 100 hz ? how do you work that one out ? the fundamental  is 50 hz so harmonics are multi pals of that frequency it wold be 50 100 150 200 250 ect the hum is the lamination's vibrating or and any other junk that's lose.

Allen
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on January 12, 2018, 10:27:03 AM
What ?  every 100 hz ? how do you work that one out ? the fundamental  is 50 hz so harmonics are multi pals of that frequency it wold be 50 100 150 200 250 ect the hum is the lamination's vibrating or and any other junk that's lose.

Allen

See my amended post above.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: leo48 on January 12, 2018, 12:02:02 PM
The presence of the spark generates many harmonics and it is difficult what is the actual frequency of work

Leo48
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: wattsup on January 12, 2018, 01:55:29 PM
a few moments ago I  destroy an 220v / 12v1A adapter, but I can not figure out how I did it. The connection between the spark and circuit it was isolated by the optocoupler and toroid transformer (see diagram below). The oscillating circuit and the mosfet are not damaging. WHAT HAPPENED?
A small explosion occurred in the adapter that fed the oscillating cycle when I was playing with the frequency of the oscillator. I think it was a fraction of a second I see yellow flash that does not know where it came from. (from the bulb?). Inside of the adapter I found pieces of an integrated circuit.

@kpannic

Your user name is perfect at 8 posts you have already shown what not to do in OU. You put the HV line on a load and it advanced into the toroid secondary you connected to the same load, so the HV now backs into the 220 line then it hits the feed side of your adapter and fried the rectifier. That is not smart and actually dangerous.

wattsup

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 12, 2018, 03:18:15 PM
I have a DIY built spot welder made from a modified MOT and the TK 2004 hum sound to my ear is identical. The loudest hum is when the MOT is energised but not loaded. In the 2004 video, the hum continues after the load is switched on from the tin can and stops when the inverter is unplugged from the mains. This suggests that there may have been a DIY transformer in the box under the work bench (the same box as used in the green box demo) that had very loose laminations.

Hi Hoppy. Yes, to hear loud buzzing like that you would expect that there is a
coil or transformer in there with an iron or steel or ferrite core, so that is something
to consider for sure. We know Kapanadze had a standard type transformer at the
input to his 2004 device, so I suppose that could be the source of the buzzing in
that video, but I guess there could be another coil or transformer inside the can
with a metal or ferrite core, or maybe there is a core in Kapanadze's hand-wound
coils, although I believe he has said that they are supposed to be air core coils.

Anyway, from the last FFT anlysis on the loud buzzing on the MOT connected to the grid
it also shows harmonics at every hundred Hertz marker point, so that seems to maybe be
a typical characteristic of buzzing iron or steel cores in that frequency range, so the buzzing
heard in some of Kapanadze's video demos does seem to indicate a buzzing transformer
or iron/steel core coil.


All the best...

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on January 12, 2018, 05:12:06 PM
Hi Void,

Yes, its almost certainly a transformer and a fairly hefty one, so a MOT would fit. I don't think its in the tin can as its too small, so probably in the container under the bench. This suggests to me that TK is using the HV winding to power the lamps in some way, controlled by whatever is in the tin can. The HV is possibly being chopped by circuitry powered from rectified AC from the transformer on the bench.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: core on January 13, 2018, 04:25:33 AM
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=https://petronoticias.com.br/archives/90127&prev=search (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=https://petronoticias.com.br/archives/90127&prev=search)

Quote from Leal:

Quote
According to Cleriston Leal, the ground wire always charged negatively causes repulsion, and attraction if connected to the equipment.  The captor draws electrons from the earth through the wires, producing energy in the scale of 1x100, consumption equal to one and capturing equal to 100. All the consumption returns to the cycle or, depending on the form of connection, can return to earth.   "In our equipment, we were able to break the resistance of the conductor, which would only support 200 amps, and went on to withstand 400 amps of power at normal temperature.  The current circulating inside the captor is apparent and real.  In this current there is no loss because there is no transformation and the power is equal to the current, "explained Nilson Barbosa.


Video:
https://tvclip.biz/video/bDmvAJcCCAE/replica-de-barbosa-e-leal.html (https://tvclip.biz/video/bDmvAJcCCAE/replica-de-barbosa-e-leal.html)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on January 13, 2018, 05:57:42 AM
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=https://petronoticias.com.br/archives/90127&prev=search (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=https://petronoticias.com.br/archives/90127&prev=search)

Quote from Leal:
 

Video:
https://tvclip.biz/video/bDmvAJcCCAE/replica-de-barbosa-e-leal.html (https://tvclip.biz/video/bDmvAJcCCAE/replica-de-barbosa-e-leal.html)
2.6Amps is not free energy it's over .5 Kw (650 Watts) and they could be done for energy theft. As far as I know this device takes grid live and returns it to Earth thus tricking the electric company or trying to.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on January 13, 2018, 10:43:42 AM
Calm down


There simple way to check B&L device - take it to the small isolated island without electricity like in case of Kapanadze device. Correct ?
I believe it is genuine and the output is DC which can be modulated (it's similar to welding machine working in loop, when part of output is taken to rise the effect)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 13, 2018, 05:43:23 PM
The video posted by Core looks like it has nothing to do with Barbosa and Leal.
It's hard to say exactly how things are connected, but it looks like one phase from
the grid is in series with the primary of the large transformer, which will have a high impedance
when the secondary is not shorted, and which will not let much current through to power the loads.
When the secondary loop is shorted (thick wires) it effectively lowers the impedance of the primary and
a lot more current flows through to power the loads. This has nothing to do with Barbosa and
Leal devices that I can see.

The only indication that Barbosa and Leal ever demonstrated anything in front of anyone
in person using a battery and inverter was apparently in their own shop in front of Fernando, but
Fernando's account of his measurements seems quite questionable to me. He seemed
to be confused about the high current in the high current loops heating up pipes being an
indication of high output power, but that is of course not the case. Fernando's measurements
and accounts seem very questionable to me. It seems he may not have been very knowledgeable
about doing proper measurements.

I also posted a link here in this thread previously to a comment where it was indicated that Barbosa
and Leal stated in email that they stopped working on those devices several years ago and apparently
admitted in email they they were not OU. The fact that they do seem to have dropped those devices
for several years now and have moved into something completely different which involves a new
chemical process for electrolysis, is also an indication that those devices were not what they thought they
were, or what they were representing them to be. There really is no reason to think that the Barbosa and
Leal devices were OU that I can see. A quick look at how they were connected up shows that they
would draw their power from the grid through a ground loop when connected to the grid, and there were
no demos of their devices to independent witnesses using a battery and inverter that I have seen,
except for Fernando claiming that he saw that setup working in Barbosa and Leal's shop, but Fernando's
claims do not instill confidence for me that he was very knowledgeable about doing that kind of testing.

Kapanadze on the other hand has shown apparent self runners up close with no (detectable) connection to
the grid on a number of occasions in front of various different people, and no one has been able to detect any tricks
so far that I am aware of, beyond baseless speculations about hidden power sources and hidden wires, etc.


All the best...

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on January 13, 2018, 05:55:08 PM

Kapanadze on the other hand has shown apparent self runners up close with no (detectable) connection to
the grid on a number of occasions in front of various different people, and no one has been able to detect any tricks
so far that I am aware of, beyond baseless speculations about hidden power sources and hidden wires, etc.


All the best...

Speculation certainly; baseless - a matter of opinion. When I hear that TK hum and know instinctly that it emanates from a mains driven transformer, then I can reasonably assume that his device is connected to the grid.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 13, 2018, 06:06:52 PM
Speculation certainly; baseless - a matter of opinion. When I hear that TK hum and know instinctly that it emanates from a mains driven transformer, then I can reasonably assume that his device is connected to the grid.


Hi Hoppy. That is still just an assumption. You can say it is pretty certain that some portion of his
device is operating at a low frequency of around 50 Hz to 200 Hz or so and has an iron or steel core
transformer or inductor in the device somewhere, but that doesn't necessarily at all mean his device is
connected to the grid. Just that some portion of his device appears to be running in a similar frequency
range and there is maybe an iron/steel core transformer or inductor in there, probably at fairly high current.

Some of Kapanadze's devices only made that loud buzzing noise occasionally, such as in Kapanadze's 2004 device demo,
and that buzzing may have been coming from his inverter, and in other demos no buzzing is heard at all. In the island demo,
assuming that was Kapanade's device shown in the video clip, when the camera is brought close to his device I could not hear
any buzzing at all, even though it was apparently driving a lot of big light bulbs (high current load). I think it really is not so
clear cut and straight forward as you seem to suggest when a person takes into account all the different Kapanadze video
demos that have been posted over the years.

All the best...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on January 13, 2018, 08:04:51 PM
Maybe Barbosa and Leal was the real danger to electric companies but Kapanadze was already ridiculed and controlled ?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 13, 2018, 09:02:39 PM
Maybe Barbosa and Leal was the real danger to electric companies but Kapanadze was already ridiculed and controlled ?

Hi forest. I am not aware of Barbosa and Leal having ever demonstrated anything like Kapanadze,
very up close in front of other witnesses, with no connection to the grid and showing an apparent self runner. 
If you look at their patent drawings, when they are connected to the grid the power will obviously be coming
from the grid through the ground loop. The only person I know who claimed to see a Barbosa and Leal device
working using a battery and inverter was Fernando, but his account is quite questionable to me. There is not
good reason to think that Barobosa and Leal's devices might be over unity, but for me Kapanadze's self running demos
are much harder to criticize as so far I have never come across any credible evidence that Kapanadze is using tricks.

Really it is a very big difference between someone showing something connected to the grid and claiming OU, and
someone showing an apparent self runner right up close in front of other people and allowing them to inspect wires
closely, etc.


All the best...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: cheappower2012 on January 14, 2018, 12:18:20 AM
Everybody keeps forgetting its not an ordinary inverter ,Kapanadze is using.
The noise heard is a transformer being overloaded,one operating at 50Hz,however the inverter used by Kapanadze appears to me to be one that is a switching transformer type,transformerless,It operates at a high frequency,changing the low voltage dc to over 220 vdc then a series of mosfets are turned on at 50 Hz to create 220 v ac,50 hz.This inverter is not a type encountered in the US,it appears to have a low wattage transformer also,1:1 it outputs 220 vac 50 hz from the main supply,however it can not source a great amount of current,possibly 100 watts or less.Kapanadze's device needs greater than 100 watts to work so the transformer is over loaded,this is where the noise comes from.When he unplugs it from the mains,it switches to the switching
power inverter automatically,which can output (400 watts I believe) more than it needs to run the device so the noise stops.This inverter is not your usual type at least not in the US.It maybe used in a kind of
back up,where a device is hooked to the output and powered by the mains,if theres a mains power failure it switches to the battery operated inverter part automatically.


To void
The main point is the device has an oscillator at 50 Hz,when the power is cut,it increases in frequency,most oscillators are fairly stable with voltage decreases ,they will work  a certain amount of time until the power supply capacitor's voltage drops enough then stop working, not change frequency.Only one circuit does this a blocking oscillator circuit ,the frequency will increase with a drop in supply voltage.In the video you can trace the orange coil,kapanadze tried to make it appear like two coils it is one,so you have a
problem,is the high current coming out of the tin box or is it created in the coil? You can approach the device simply using tools
gotten by knowing electronics, however, for it to be real it has to operate in a completely different way,its not a Tesla invention nor related to anything Tesla.In my opinion Kapandze doesn't fully understand how hes device works,only how to assemble it to make it work,this indicates to me it was an accidental discovery
,hes builds are different each time to throw off anyone trying to figuring out how to build it.If he doesn't tell you how to construct it,you can never figure out the theory behind it.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on January 14, 2018, 11:01:00 AM
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Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: leo48 on January 14, 2018, 12:31:50 PM
@ Hoppy
just a dot?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on January 14, 2018, 11:35:44 PM
Oh another Kapanadze  topic.
so here is my theory:

Kapanadze told us three things:

1.Simple as you would laugh
2.He find a method of auto resonance.
3.Some sort of tesla coil that takes energy from space.

well, if we can take kapanadze words as truth then this idea comes to mind:

it is possible to design a tesla coil resonator in such a way that it will always resonate at maximum efficiency no matter how big or small the capacitance is? if so than what would happened if we change capacitance value very fast for such circuit? (using spark gap to give or take electrons from some metal?) kapanadze was using coax cable for his older devices, this cable can be used as capacitor and inductor.This is a good start http://www.linux-host.org/energy/sgenesis.htm
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 15, 2018, 12:15:05 AM
Void: »The fact that they do seem to have dropped those devices for several years now and have moved into something completely different which involves a new chemical process for electrolysis [...] Kapanadze on the other hand has shown apparent self runners up close with no (detectable) connection to the grid on a number of occasions«

Something completely different? What if they generate the electricity needed for the electrolysis for free, just pretending a new chemical process? And if the Kapanadze device works, then why of all things the Barbosa-Leal device should not?

EVOLUÇÕES HIDROGÁS (http://evolucoeshidrogas.com.br/web/english/2016/08/05/a-new-option-for-thermoelectric-power-plants-/): »This innovative process for obtaining hydrogen makes viable technical, economic and environmental issues, since, among its main factors, it does not use electricity, since the energy required to break the water molecule is provided by the very chemical reaction«

They should win the Nobel Prize for that, because in essence it says, a newly discovered chemical reaction provides free energy.


THE CONDUCTIVE INTERCONNECTION ELEMENT

WO2013104042A1, Portuguese: »Um diagrama mostra a indução 6 ao redor do núcleo "X" da bobina 1. Com a indução ocorre a circulação da corrente elétrica 7 no elo/espira condutor 4, atraindo os elétrons da terra, através do membro condutor 5, para o campo magnético do captor, onde os elétrons se juntam com a corrente gerada por indução no elo/espira condutor 4 circulando entre os poios magnéticos norte e sul.«

Translation with comments: »A diagram shows the induction 6 around the core "X" of the coil 1 [PRIMARY COIL ON AN IRON CORE]. With the induction occurs the circulation of electric current 7 in the loop coil conductor 4 [LIKE SHORTED ARC WELDER TRANSFORMER], attracting the electrons of the earth, through the conductor 5 [GROUNDING], to the magnetic field of the captor, where the electrons join [WHY SHOULD THE ELECTRONS DO THAT?] with the current generated by induction in the loop coil conductor 4 circulating between the North and South magnetic poles [OF THE IRON CORE].«

WO2013104042A1, Portuguese: »O equipamento objeto da presente invenção funciona da seguinte forma: o dispositivo gerador de campo eletromagnético ao ser alimentado por uma fonte de energia elétrica, produz um campo eletromagnético que induz uma corrente elétrica no elemento condutor em circuito fechado em si mesmo, criando uma interação um entre os poios magnéticos do equipamento e os poios magnéticos da terra, passando a haver - através de atração e repulsão eletromagnética - um fornecimento infindável de elétrons da terra para o elemento condutor em circuito fechado em si mesmo, que é ligado a uma malha de aterramento, através do elemento condutor de interligação. Os elétrons atraídos se somam à corrente presente que circula no elemento condutor em circuito fechado em si mesmo, de onde é disponibilizada energia elétrica para alimentação de cargas de elevadas potências, embora o equipamento objeto da presente invenção seja alimentado com uma pequena potência. Desse modo, de maneira vantajosa, o equipamento objeto da presente invenção revela-se um captor de elétrons da terra, para geração de energia elétrica.«

Translation with comments: »The object equipment of the present invention operates as follows: the electromagnetic field generating device [TRANSFORMER] to be powered by a power source, produces an electromagnetic field that induces an electric current in the conducting element in a closed circuit in itself [OK, BUT AC NOT DC IS NEEDED FOR THAT], creating an interaction between one of the magnetic poles of the equipment and the magnetic poles of the earth, [STRANGE, MAGNETIC GROUNDING??], passing there - through electromagnetic [NOT ELECTROSTATIC??] attraction and repulsion - an endless ground supply of electrons to the conductive element in a closed circuit in itself, which is connected to a grounding grid through the conductive element of interconnection [WHAT KIND OF ELEMENT COULD THAT BE??]. The attracted electrons are added to the current flowing in this conductive member closed looped in itself [LIKE ARC WELDER TRANSFORMER], where it is available for power supply of high power loads while the equipment object of the present invention is powered with a small power [OVERUNITY]. Thus, advantageously, the apparatus object of the present invention discloses an earth electron trap, for generating electric energy.«

Therefore, what is a »conductive element of interconnection«, the »elemento condutor de interligação«? One conductive element is the closed loop. The other conductive element is the one that makes the interconnection between the closed loop and the ground, hence called »interligação«. If this element would be a simple connection between the closed loop and the ground wire, then why call it »elemento«? In the patent drawings that element is marked with concentric circles; therefore it must be something special. Since the electrons from ground are attracted in order to be injected and to cycle in the closed loop, it can't be a capacitor (electrostatic induction), it has to be something that conducts electrons, but nevertheless it is not a straightforward galvanic (metallic) connection. Could that »something« be a diode? A diode that can reverse its polarity according to the 50Hz or 100Hz grid frequency? When a positive electrostatic field attracts electrons from ground into the closed loop through a diode, the electrons have no other choice as to stay in that closed loop (for at least one alternating cycle) until the diode's polarity is reversed. Sounds logical, but what's the catch? A diode that can reverse its polarity has to be constructed of two thyristors (each 3 pin) connected back to back on heat sinks suitable for a ground current of 22 amps inclusive wiring. I can't see such a thing on Kapanadze's work bench in 2004 video. Then could that »elemento« be a spark gap? A spark firing with 22 amps would for sure create a lot of noise (given the spark gap would fire at all). There is no such noise to be heard, so we can rule out that »elemento« too. What's left?

Interestingly in the Barbosa-Leal demonstration video (the disappeared one), the closed loop is made of heavy wire 240mm2 measuring hundreds of amperes and a lot of heat, whereas the ground wire is made of a rather thin green wire. Does this suggest, that here the electrons from ground are attracted once - without generating much amps and heat in the ground wire - and then kept circulating in the loop more than one alternating cycle? Don't know.


PROJECT BRAINSTORM

But what about a coil? Could the »elemento condutor de interligação« be a coil of some sort? Let's say, the high voltage that attracts and repels electrons from ground initially works at 100Hz, whereas the ground wire is wrapped around an iron core with a magnetic field oscillating at 50Hz; namely the iron core of the transformer we already have. Or, optionally - also called vice versa -, we could wrap it around a 100Hz transformer and the counterpart works at 50Hz. The coil then is actually an additional open secondary coil of a transformer, one side connected to ground and one side to the closed looped secondary. An open secondary coil generates voltage, that means the closed high current circuit is not connected to dead ground but to a ground biased with voltage. Here the theoretical question arises: A non-closed secondary coil of a transformer generates alternating (high) voltage, hence there is a surplus of electrons (negative) on one end of the wire and there is a lack of electrons (positive) on the other end, alternating at 50Hz. But what if one end of the coil is connected to ground? Since ground provides an unlimited supply of electrons, there can never be a lack of electrons on that end; that end can never be positive. Does that mean, the other end of the coil - the open one - can supply a surplus of electrons, because that end is now more negative (ultra negative) than the normal ground negative, as compensation for the positive end forced to be normal negative? If so, and that secondary coil is a high voltage coil, providing lots of electrons to be injected in the closed 2 to 4 windings circuit, then could that mean, we can mix high voltage low current with low voltage high current and get as result high voltage with high current through the magnetic field of the iron core? Could it be, high voltage 100Hz is not (exclusively) needed to create an electrostatic attraction via a spark gap, but to route the ground wire through the secondary coil of that transformer? Two transformers, one pumps electrons from ground, the other captures them? If the electrons from ground are attracted by means of (through) a high voltage coil, then of course a thin green ground wire would be sufficient. Though it's unclear, why Kapanadze needs a thick one. Could it happen, Kapanadze's »so simple you'll laugh« is not simple enough? Can we make it even simpler?

As we can see, the closed looped coil conductor 4 is marked with a plus-sign, meaning a positive voltage has to be connected to that coil; »condutor 4 polarizado com tensão«. Does it make sense to connect a positive voltage to a coil connected at the same time to ground? Not if connected to ground directly, but what if connected to ground through the coil of a magnetic field generating transformer? The higher the voltage generated by the secondary coil when grounded on one end, the more surplus electrons (negativity) compared to ground will appear on the other end. Hence it is easy to attract and repel electrons from ground, it needs just a high voltage transformer with its secondary coil single-sided connected to ground. The other, more difficult (non-obvious) thing is, to do something useful with those attracted electrons. But at least we are still within the scope of an odd connected three-phase transformer. No rocket science needed so far.

A very interesting thing here is this: If the closed loop is not ground but positive and it can (but it is not imperative) be connected to phase of the grid (the polarized version), then, since we know for sure the grid frequency is 50Hz, in the non-polarized version the closed loop has to be connected to a voltage at 50Hz (if at all), which leaves for the ground transformer most likely only the choice of 100Hz, if we assume that those two frequencies are involved. On the other hand, if the closed loop, namely the one that comes in shape of the copper pipe, is connected to a high voltage transformer, it would make sense to insulate it, like seen in the wooden box demonstration, but connecting it at the same time to grid, should not be the best idea. Besides, what is the polarized version good for? I don't get it.

Well, I'm still not convinced that a spark gap is needed; looking at the epoxy resin I rather tend to say no. Also I have no idea whether the high voltage pulses should be sharp or not, or if there should be ionization or not (ionization in epoxy resin?), or if there is ionization but as a by-product and not really needed, or whether cosmoLV knows how the device works but spreads lots of disinformation deliberately, or if he just think he knows, but he does not really know or not fully. It's very difficult to stay on track regarding this subject and not to diverge from the correct path when turning that whole stuff upside down every few days. When we finally have a working setup, then we will know for certain what was real information and what was just mumbo jumbo and distraction; guess ninety-nine percent disinfo at the minimum. I'm looking forward to it.

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: core on January 15, 2018, 03:53:11 AM
So look at the problem from a different direction, because in the last 7 years basically every type of coil configuration has been used. Be honest, nobody has really gotten any closer to a device or even a whiff of free energy. Remember the first post on the original TK thread? yep everyone is still there, same goes for the Barbosa & Leal device.


Pretend for one minute the a specific coil combination is not the solution. However lets think in terms of amplifying the power in the core material (iron) without increasing the core size. A current will flow in a magnetized core, imagine if you could amplify this current. What would be the result? This is no more Pie in the sky then the last 7 years of failed speculation.


Some dude on the Clemente Figuera thread started putting this idea out there but he/she never returned.


 -Core
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: core on January 15, 2018, 04:10:11 AM
..... So I am saying FE is not found in a coil or coils but is hidden in the irons ability to absorb more or draw more energy on its own with the aid of a magnetic field.


-Core
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: core on January 15, 2018, 07:18:43 AM
For Barbosa-Leal Hydrogen patent google the following.


Publication number: WO2016094998 A1


https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2016094998&recNum=1&maxRec=&office=&prevFilter=&sortOption=&queryString=&tab=PCT+Biblio (https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2016094998&recNum=1&maxRec=&office=&prevFilter=&sortOption=&queryString=&tab=PCT+Biblio)



Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on January 15, 2018, 10:18:03 AM
Imagine what would we have if we could arrange a meeting of McFarland Cook,Figuera,Hubbard,Hendershot,Kapanadze,Barbosa and Leal with little help of Tesla ?


Actually what I read here is exact implementation of Tesla method of pulling energy from ambient medium. Do you realize that Tito already described the capacitive version of this method (somehow used by Hendershot also and probably in Tesla mystic Piearce Arrow car ? ) ?


Explain please why we have voltage (potential) difference between Earth ground and the upper atmosphere ?  Something which Don Smith funny explained ? When ground is unity then everything above ground is overunity ;-) That maybe important question to consider WHY ?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on January 15, 2018, 10:18:34 AM
Whenever you put a core into a coil you get overunity
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on January 15, 2018, 10:25:09 AM
Do you smell answer .... https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/75176/does-potential-difference-exist-between-earth-ground-in-geographically-diverse-l

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Belfior on January 15, 2018, 10:27:47 AM
Oh another Kapanadze  topic.
so here is my theory:

Kapanadze told us three things:

1.Simple as you would laugh
2.He find a method of auto resonance.
3.Some sort of tesla coil that takes energy from space.

well, if we can take kapanadze words as truth then this idea comes to mind:

it is possible to design a tesla coil resonator in such a way that it will always resonate at maximum efficiency no matter how big or small the capacitance is? if so than what would happened if we change capacitance value very fast for such circuit? (using spark gap to give or take electrons from some metal?) kapanadze was using coax cable for his older devices, this cable can be used as capacitor and inductor.This is a good start http://www.linux-host.org/energy/sgenesis.htm

1. how about just a transformer? HV into the primary and you can take 230V out of the secondary.
2. Slayer exciter. Secondary is kept in resonance with the feedback loop. Third "load" coil feeds of from he same core
3. does resonance take energy from "space"? maybe it does
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on January 15, 2018, 12:06:33 PM
Imagine what would we have if we could arrange a meeting of McFarland Cook,Figuer a, Hubbard,Hendershot,Kapanadze,Barbosa and Leal with little help of Tesla ?
Err this isn't the real world, since they are all in the spirit world and earth problems to them no longer matter, and what if could happen, it would be a closed shop unless we could listen in
Explain please why we have voltage (potential) difference between Earth ground and the upper atmosphere ?  Something which Don Smith funny explained ? When ground is unity then everything above ground is overunity ;-) That maybe important question to consider WHY ?
No it's not, as at each upper level all are at the same potential it's only with respect to one leg of the capacitor or earth, Some Russian guy explained we live in side a large capacitor, all this is common knowledge in there schools, America is about control politics and toxic food Monsanamo and depopulation, are you American Oh bad luck as far as that's concerned all they want is slaves and robots and dumb down population with toxic annual dosing as the man made virus is no longer active but the toxicity collects in your brain.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on January 15, 2018, 12:17:01 PM
the amperage can be controlled by voltage difference ? if we could send a thick wire from ground to outer cosmic space we could generate electric power in huge amount. Tesla said it will work by cooling the Earth, but maybe it's different ?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 15, 2018, 12:20:15 PM
core: »So look at the problem from a different direction, because in the last 7 years basically every type of coil configuration has been used.«

Can't remember seeing the below configuration yet.

In that case the three mysterious things, we allegedly need to 'get' something, would be: 1) A high voltage transformer with an open secondary coil (voltage, no current); 2) a low voltage transformer with a shorted secondary coil (current, no voltage); 3) a frequency doubler that runs the high voltage transformer; all connected appropriately together.

Zeitmaschine (http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg455607/#msg455607) on July 14, 2015, 03:05 PM: »I would guess, a real working device would look like nothing, maybe you wouldn't even recognize it when you see it.«

Could be, there is ionization involved too. Anyhow, such a construction should be possible with a simple three-phase transformer and a few additional electric standard components, so one can stumble upon it occasionally by chance while working with that kind of transformers.

But I still can't see why there should be a connection between the primary coil (grid) and the secondary coil (looped), or why there should be an additional bias voltage connected to the closed loop, since that closed loop is connected to high voltage already. But what I do see, is a simple method, to adjust a resonance between two coils (Kapanadze).

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on January 15, 2018, 12:43:35 PM
Yes  ;D I bet it weighs a tun since it looks like it has 2 microwave transformers and is deadly !
has any one tried building it ? also R and C will depend on current. If I were you I would try it
at reasonably small scale level with recovered adapter transformers and see if the principle works
before the shorted transformer burns out!
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on January 15, 2018, 12:46:15 PM
Have a look at this circuit !
For me many ideas spring to mind with this circuit 'it's' just an idea with many problems to iron out!
The driver stage if left as is will draw loads of DC and the base driver circuit might need modification
in it's bias circuit and the output stage might also need some attention or modifying.

However the output drive is modulated carrier wave drive, say no more play with it as you wish but if you find anything please report back so we can all benefit from it !

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 15, 2018, 01:45:19 PM
AlienGrey: »If I were you I would try it at reasonably small scale level with recovered adapter transformers«

Yes, smaller transformers, higher frequency, till it looks and works like the Steven Mark TPU. Maybe here the closed loop high frequency transformer is in the toroid and the high voltage high frequency transformer in the center box. I would guess, if the working frequency is higher there is no need for a massive ground; could work with a relatively small piece of metal - given that thing works at all.


And why are there two switches on Kapanadze's green box? One to cut the power to the load, and one to cut the closed circuit, so it can start with no load and an open closed looped coil?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: SolarLab on January 15, 2018, 05:46:10 PM
Oh another Kapanadze  topic.
so here is my theory:

Kapanadze told us three things:

1.Simple as you would laugh
2.He find a method of auto resonance.
3.Some sort of tesla coil that takes energy from space.

well, if we can take kapanadze words as truth then this idea comes to mind:

it is possible to design a tesla coil resonator in such a way that it will always resonate at maximum efficiency no matter how big or small the capacitance is? if so than what would happened if we change capacitance value very fast for such circuit? (using spark gap to give or take electrons from some metal?) kapanadze was using coax cable for his older devices, this cable can be used as capacitor and inductor.This is a good start http://www.linux-host.org/energy/sgenesis.htm (http://www.linux-host.org/energy/sgenesis.htm)

PolaczekCebulaczek - Thanks, good info and link!

F.Y.I.

A revised link with the "Chart 9" (picture) is here:

http://freenrg.info/Misc/Genesis/ (http://freenrg.info/Misc/Genesis/)

Note: Page also refers to the use (importance) of the Dirac equation
with a simple, but excellent, tie-in explanation.

Zeitmaschine - enjoying your interesting work, Thank you!


FIN
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 15, 2018, 06:55:38 PM
A revised link with the "Chart 9" (picture) is here:
http://freenrg.info/Misc/Genesis/ (http://freenrg.info/Misc/Genesis/)

It's interesting. Regarding 'The Genesis Project', does anyone know who wrote the document
and who built the devices shown in the document? Who were those people and where are they now?
From the pictures in the document it is hard to tell whether there is anything unusual going on there
or not as they provided no details about input power and output power, and really no details at all
about how it was being powered.


Throwing around ideas and speculation can only take you so far (which is usually not very far at all when
it comes to the topic of OU), but has anyone built any test circuits which they think actually show some
interesting or promising results based on their ideas? That's what really matters IMO.  :)
If a person can't back up what they are suggesting with at least some sort of basic test setup, then what
have they really got? Just words... ;)


All the best...

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on January 15, 2018, 07:16:39 PM
Have a look at this circuit !
For me many ideas spring to mind with this circuit 'it's' just an idea with many problems to iron out!
The driver stage if left as is will draw loads of DC and the base driver circuit might need modification
in it's bias circuit and the output stage might also need some attention or modifying.

However the output drive is modulated carrier wave drive, say no more play with it as you wish but if you find anything please report back so we can all benefit from it !

Interesting cct Alien. Looks simple enough to be a contender for TK's devices. His green 3-phase trafo looks like it could fit in place of TP2. Have you built it yet?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 15, 2018, 07:50:20 PM
PolaczekCebulaczek: »3.Some sort of tesla coil that takes energy from space.«

Kapanadze never mentioned a Tesla coil. He said, he used Tesla's schematics, because Tesla invented this. So, who is willing to search for a Tesla patent, that shows a frequency doubler circuit?

Void: »If a person can't back up what they are suggesting with at least some sort of basic test setup, then what
have they really got? Just words...«

And a lot of saved money instead of non-working stuff due to having no idea whats going on in the setup. First switch on the brain then the transformers.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: core on January 15, 2018, 08:25:37 PM
core: »So look at the problem from a different direction, because in the last 7 years basically every type of coil configuration has been used.«

Can't remember seeing the below configuration yet.


I understand where you are going, but are you really convinced there is one magical coil combination that is the secret? On the most basic level in order to provide more energy you need a fuel source, that should be no mystery. What are you guessing is the fuel source? An analogy would be a cutting torch, acetylene will ignite and burn but this with no air is very inefficient. Add a catalyst such as O2 and the heat output is magnified exponentially. All these devices have an additional fuel source that could easily be manipulated or controlled with a magnetic field.


Who knows what this fuel source is maybe ions, mixture of metals, some type of radio active compound? then something needs to react with that fuel source. Barbosa and Leal have 2 devices that achieve the same result, one (1) from the air and one (1) from the ground. That said, we then know that GROUND is not a requirement. So what fuel source do they use that allows them to supply more power to the output with two different devices? Is there a compound being used? does there core material draw more power? or is it just a hoax.


-Core





Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: core on January 15, 2018, 08:31:05 PM
Throwing around ideas and speculation can only take you so far (which is usually not very far at all when
it comes to the topic of OU), but has anyone built any test circuits which they think actually show some
interesting or promising results based on their ideas? That's what really matters IMO.  :)
If a person can't back up what they are suggesting with at least some sort of basic test setup, then what
have they really got? Just words... ;)


But that is exactly what these forums are! These forums are not team sites or even build sites, they are places you go to and share ideas. These are the places you go to and share your words. There are better avenues out there to share work/builds.


-Core
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on January 15, 2018, 09:08:55 PM
Core, add Richard Willis to the list... if it's not a hoax then it prove that magnetic field is the source you are  looking for..
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: core on January 15, 2018, 10:43:48 PM
Core, add Richard Willis to the list... if it's not a hoax then it prove that magnetic field is the source you are  looking for..


May very well be the magnetic field, or the magnetic field is a catalyst that drives a specific process like in the analogy I gave with the cutting torch. We know that a magnetic field stores energy so if that is true then you can't get OU with just a magnetic field. You still need the energy source to store in the field.


The name Richard Willis rings a bell but I have to google him.




-Core
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 15, 2018, 11:13:40 PM
But that is exactly what these forums are! These forums are not team sites or even build sites, they are places you go to and share ideas. These are the places you go to and share your words. There are better avenues out there to share work/builds.
-Core

Naw man! There is nothing at all stopping anyone from discussing actual experimental results
they have which seem useful or which look interesting or potentially promising. :)


Here is something practical I have found from lots of experimenting that I will throw out there:
One way (the only way?) to get a current flowing on your earth ground wire is to have the earth ground
wire connected to a coil that is operating at resonance. When you connect the earth ground wire, you may
well have to adjust the operating frequency to match the new resonant frequency of the coil and earth
ground wire combined. This is standard Telsa coil stuff I think, and may possibly be what Kapanadze is
doing as well with one of his air core coils, or something along that line anyway.  This would be one
possible reason why Kapanadze has always shown his electric devices using an earth ground wire connection.

However, although having your earth ground wire resonating with your coil produces a measurable
AC current on your earth ground wire which can make light bulbs light up, this doesn't necessarily
at all equate to an overall power gain. So it seems there is probably at least a little more to it than
just that, otherwise many people would have likely achieved OU by now. :)

Another idea seems to be that the earth ground connection is used in a way which is the same as or similar to
an electrostatic induction type of effect, which somehow pulls charge from the ground and magnifies the
current, but I have experimented with this approach some and have so far never been able to get any significant
and useful earth ground current out of that. Not anything that will produce any useful amount of
power anyway. So, although this is a maybe a possibility, I haven't seen anyone being able to
demonstrate sending any significant power to a load using an approach along this line.

Keep in mind I am talking about practical things which can be put to the test in simple setups
where the actual real world practical performance can be tested and observed. Not just ideas or
claims which no one can demonstrate to do anything practical and useful. :D There is nothing wrong
at all with taking a practical based approach I think. Keeping at least one foot firmly rooted in
practical reality never hurts anything I think. :)


All the best...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 16, 2018, 01:10:04 AM
core: »What are you guessing is the fuel source?«

The negative charge of the electrons.

A QUICK SUMMARY OF THE COMPONENTS WE HAVE IDENTIFIED SO FAR

1) A frequency doubler circuit. There is no other idea what those parts hidden under Stepanov's cardboard box else can be.
2) A high voltage transformer. Even in theory, without experimenting, it is clear that the high voltage secondary coil of a transformer can attract electrons from ground when connected to ground at one end.
3) Another transformer with a shorted secondary coil. Not because cosmoLV just says this, but because we can see it in the Barbosa-Leal demonstrations and also in the patent.
4) A spark gap. Most likely NOT used, because the Kapanadze device is the only device of this type which purportedly needs one.


When an open secondary coil of a transformer generates voltage, then there is a surplus of electrons on one end of the wire or on the other end, alternating. But those electrons do nothing. First the circuit has to be closed, then those electrons start to generate a magnetic field and heat. That means, if electrons are attracted from ground, they also do nothing. They have to be injected into a closed circuit first. But nevertheless the source of those electrons stays an open circuit, namely the high voltage coil connected on one end to ground. Here Bearden's theory comes into play »Don't kill the dipole«. No, we do not kill the dipole of the high voltage coil, because it is not a closed circuit. Further reading:


THE SECRET OF ELECTRICAL FREE ENERGY (http://overunity.com/17535/kapanadze-stepanov-barbosa-leal-and-the-secret-of-free-energy/dlattach/attach/166263/)

»The bird sits on the high tension line without a flow of mass electricity, because there is no significant difference in potential drop between the bird and the line. Specifically, between the birds two feet -- each in contact with a different portion of the line -- there exists no potential difference. This is true even though, with respect to the vacuum, each foot is at a potential that would be "100,000 volts higher," were a mass current flowing.«

[...]

»Now notice what would happen to the bird on the line [THIS IS THE TRANSFORMER WITH THE SHORTED COIL] if we substantially "pulsed" the potential on the line [BY MEANS OF THE HIGH VOLTAGE TRANSFORMER]. Suppose we "pulsed" it such that the bird's physical system -- considered as a circuit containing a capacitance, a resistance, an inductance [NO SUCH LC CIRCUIT NEEDED, SINCE WE HAVE ALWAYS RESONANCE THANKS TO THE FREQUENCY DOUBLER CIRCUIT], and many free electrons -- became resonant to the pulsing frequency. In that case the "bird system" would resonate, and a great deal of electrical mass would surge back and forth in the body of the bird [IN THE SHORTED COIL]. In the bird's body, voltage would exist, charged mass current would flow, work would be done, and the bird would be electrocuted [THE IRON CORE WOULD BE MAGNETIZED].«

[...]

»In every conductor, a large number of "free electrons" are available. If we oscillate the actual vacuum charge itself, unlimited additional free electrons also become available from the Dirac sea, since partial "unstripping" of the negative energy wells (each containing an electron) occurs. This "unstripping" of the potential of the well is due to vacuum potential oscillation, which oscillates time as well as space. To a negative energy well (positive time), the oscillation [AT 100HZ] of its "time stream" increases the well's negative potential during one half-cycle and decreases its potential for the other half-cycle. Thus during half the oscillatory cycle, negative energy electrons may be lifted [ON THE HOT END OF THE HIGH VOLTAGE COIL] from the Dirac sea if the oscillation is sufficiently intense [THE VOLTAGE IS HIGH ENOUGH].«

So, if this does still not work, then perhaps there is one more component of the device that needs identification.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: SolarLab on January 16, 2018, 02:06:06 AM
It's interesting. Regarding 'The Genesis Project', does anyone know who wrote the document
and who built the devices shown in the document? Who were those people and where are they now?
From the pictures in the document it is hard to tell whether there is anything unusual going on there
or not as they provided no details about input power and output power, and really no details at all
about how it was being powered.


Throwing around ideas and speculation can only take you so far (which is usually not very far at all when
it comes to the topic of OU), but has anyone built any test circuits which they think actually show some
interesting or promising results based on their ideas? That's what really matters IMO.  :)
If a person can't back up what they are suggesting with at least some sort of basic test setup, then what
have they really got? Just words... ;)


All the best...

F.Y.I.

The Genesis Project is but one of the probably thousands of alternate energy related
developments that have been going on since Tesla's days. Peaking around 1985 and again
around 2001, or so - many hundreds of ideas have been proven (?) to operate as claimed.

As a best estimate, world wide there are only a few dozen, if that, seriously good independent
researchers still active and most of these fellows are relatively new to the trade (hobby in
most cases).

The quest (dream) for fame and fortune and the ambition to "save the world"
gives way to a reality that life moves forward - marriage, kids, luxuries, feeding the family,
better job, security, social mobility rapidly take priority. All of the developers I've come to
know live in places where energy is plentiful, relatively cheap and reliable so, although
alternate energy can be quite interesting and exciting to work on, we are not faced with any
crucial dire need.

Most of the early (peak) researchers are, by most accounts, pretty bright and
most have secured excellent careers, some in advanced energy development; engineering
science or business - our "quest of an alternate energy - hobby" has paid off handsomely
many fold. And most are still possessed with the "curse of the ever curious!"

It's worth noting that there are scores of practical devices in use all over the place, some
in plain sight and, as I write, there are many quite serious ongoing efforts to advance the art.

It would be myopic to view the advanced energy field through the "OU" chat boards alone. They
are (used to be?) a good introduction to the subject with good theoretical and practical discussion.
Read the first ten (10) or so pages of nearly any (older) thread and you'll see what I mean.

However, once your goal is achieved - your device is well enough along - why hang around a board
and (lately) be argued with, demeaned,derated and called faker, or worse;  not worth it, you wouldn't,
nor would I (maybe an occasional F.Y.I. - FIN, hopefully as a value-added contribution, but that's it !)

Try this link, it may answer some of your questions/comments:

http://www.linux-host.org/energy/bcontent1.htm (http://www.linux-host.org/energy/bcontent1.htm)
http://www.linux-host.org/energy/bcontent2.htm (http://www.linux-host.org/energy/bcontent2.htm)

If your looking for a viable "paint by numbers" OU scheme posted on a public board,
then - All the best...

FIN
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 16, 2018, 03:18:15 AM
The Genesis Project is but one of the probably thousands of alternate energy related
developments that have been going on since Tesla's days. Peaking around 1985 and again
around 2001, or so - many hundreds of ideas have been proven (?) to operate as claimed.

Hi Solarlab. You seem to have taken my specific question asking if anyone has more info about
'The Genesis Project' as a general question about OU research.  I am actually quite familiar with
the whole 'OU research' scene and have been involved myself for quite a few years already.
I was really wondering if anyone knows more details about 'The Genesis Project' specifically.
Does anyone know if those devices shown in the document have ever been demonstrated on
video or elsewhere, or know any details about who built those devices shown in the document?


All the best...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 16, 2018, 04:59:13 AM
core: »What are you guessing is the fuel source?«

The negative charge of the electrons.

A QUICK SUMMARY OF THE COMPONENTS WE HAVE IDENTIFIED SO FAR

1) A frequency doubler circuit. There is no other idea what those parts hidden under Stepanov's cardboard box else can be.
2) A high voltage transformer. Even in theory, without experimenting, it is clear that the high voltage secondary coil of a transformer can attract electrons from ground when connected to ground at one end.
3) Another transformer with a shorted secondary coil. Not because cosmoLV just says this, but because we can see it in the Barbosa-Leal demonstrations and also in the patent.
4) A spark gap. Most likely NOT used, because the Kapanadze device is the only device of this type which purportedly needs one.


When an open secondary coil of a transformer generates voltage, then there is a surplus of electrons on one end of the wire or on the other end, alternating. But those electrons do nothing. First the circuit has to be closed, then those electrons start to generate a magnetic field and heat. That means, if electrons are attracted from ground, they also do nothing. They have to be injected into a closed circuit first. But nevertheless the source of those electrons stays an open circuit, namely the high voltage coil connected on one end to ground. Here Bearden's theory comes into play »Don't kill the dipole«. No, we do not kill the dipole of the high voltage coil, because it is not a closed circuit. Further reading:


THE SECRET OF ELECTRICAL FREE ENERGY (http://overunity.com/17535/kapanadze-stepanov-barbosa-leal-and-the-secret-of-free-energy/dlattach/attach/166263/)

»The bird sits on the high tension line without a flow of mass electricity, because there is no significant difference in potential drop between the bird and the line. Specifically, between the birds two feet -- each in contact with a different portion of the line -- there exists no potential difference. This is true even though, with respect to the vacuum, each foot is at a potential that would be "100,000 volts higher," were a mass current flowing.«

[...]

»Now notice what would happen to the bird on the line [THIS IS THE TRANSFORMER WITH THE SHORTED COIL] if we substantially "pulsed" the potential on the line [BY MEANS OF THE HIGH VOLTAGE TRANSFORMER]. Suppose we "pulsed" it such that the bird's physical system -- considered as a circuit containing a capacitance, a resistance, an inductance [NO SUCH LC CIRCUIT NEEDED, SINCE WE HAVE ALWAYS RESONANCE THANKS TO THE FREQUENCY DOUBLER CIRCUIT], and many free electrons -- became resonant to the pulsing frequency. In that case the "bird system" would resonate, and a great deal of electrical mass would surge back and forth in the body of the bird [IN THE SHORTED COIL]. In the bird's body, voltage would exist, charged mass current would flow, work would be done, and the bird would be electrocuted [THE IRON CORE WOULD BE MAGNETIZED].«

[...]

»In every conductor, a large number of "free electrons" are available. If we oscillate the actual vacuum charge itself, unlimited additional free electrons also become available from the Dirac sea, since partial "unstripping" of the negative energy wells (each containing an electron) occurs. This "unstripping" of the potential of the well is due to vacuum potential oscillation, which oscillates time as well as space. To a negative energy well (positive time), the oscillation [AT 100HZ] of its "time stream" increases the well's negative potential during one half-cycle and decreases its potential for the other half-cycle. Thus during half the oscillatory cycle, negative energy electrons may be lifted [ON THE HOT END OF THE HIGH VOLTAGE COIL] from the Dirac sea if the oscillation is sufficiently intense [THE VOLTAGE IS HIGH ENOUGH].«

So, if this does still not work, then perhaps there is one more component of the device that needs identification.

Here:

Partial demonstration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFP6c7lwyoE
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 16, 2018, 06:59:46 AM
It's time to break this wide open, once and for all...
Electrons schmecktrons. This is the real secret.

;D

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on January 16, 2018, 12:22:16 PM

(...) You still need the energy source to store in the field.(..)
-Core


How about electric current store magnetic field into iron core ? How about this core being inside Earth ? :-) So...? Now we can't tap permanent magnet energy ,right ? What if ....it's not permanent but electro-magnet ?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 16, 2018, 01:01:44 PM
Void :D :D

Hi Zeit :)
The two transformers schematic is very interesting. If i recall right you have said that resistor and capacitor are responsible for the doubling of frequency. The reason of doubling is due to the full bridge rectification. I just wonder what is the role of resistance over there. Is there any idea? Ιn addition, does anyone know where to find a transformer 220 to 2000V except of MOTS which consume one ton of wattage?

Regards
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on January 16, 2018, 01:21:33 PM
It's interesting. Regarding 'The Genesis Project', does anyone know who wrote the document
and who built the devices shown in the document? Who were those people and where are they now?
From the pictures in the document it is hard to tell whether there is anything unusual going on there
or not as they provided no details about input power and output power, and really no details at all
about how it was being powered.


Throwing around ideas and speculation can only take you so far (which is usually not very far at all when
it comes to the topic of OU), but has anyone built any test circuits which they think actually show some
interesting or promising results based on their ideas? That's what really matters IMO.  :)
If a person can't back up what they are suggesting with at least some sort of basic test setup, then what
have they really got? Just words... ;)


All the best...

genesis requires big charge on electrostatic part,  I dont know how to suck electrons from electrostatic terminal, tried with flyback but its not enough, we can also use coax shielding as charged capacitance, if this is real than creating resonance in resonance is possible AND it would be  a self adjusting resonance, here the famous tesla "extra coil"  can be wound as bifilar non inductive coil.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 16, 2018, 02:10:18 PM
Jeg: »does anyone know where to find a transformer 220 to 2000V except of MOTS which consume one ton of wattage?«

That question is interesting. Seems this is not so easy as it looks. Try combining some small 230V to 24V transformers, then connect them in reverse. Blue and Red is the input and is connected to the frequency doubler. If the capacitor resonates with the combined transformers then the output should be around 2 to 3 KV at 100Hz sinusoidal. The resistor of the frequency doubler is the central problem. Without it, the LC circuit can't oscillate, at the same time it shorts the diode bridge, so it gets quite hot and wastes a lot of input energy.

Maybe one has a genius idea how to get high voltage around a few kilovolts at 100HZ without any waste of energy, since just the voltage without amperes is needed.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 16, 2018, 04:35:44 PM
Try combining some small 230V to 24V transformers, then connect them in reverse.

Recently i connected 220V to a 24V secondary and after seeing smoke i understood my mistake. 24V secondary needs 24V as an input and not 220V. Or else severe current will destroy the varnish of the wires due to heat.

Do you mean 10 transformers primaries and secondaries in series? Ahh now i understood what is in the pic above. Thanks a lot. I find it α very nice idea. Does anyone know what kind of transformers are they?



Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 16, 2018, 05:35:41 PM
The frequency doubler circuit does not necessarily provide 220V.  Here each transformer generates around 280V out, that multiplied by 8 makes 2240V at 100Hz. Input on each 24V coil around 40V. Always two 24V coils are connected in series, that makes 80V coming from the frequency doubler circuit.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 16, 2018, 06:38:33 PM
Thanks Zeit.
Looks that resistor's size depends on cap's value. Cap needs to be discharged before next cycle or else will block dc from diodes.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 16, 2018, 07:01:39 PM
genesis requires big charge on electrostatic part,  I dont know how to suck electrons from electrostatic terminal, tried with flyback but its not enough, we can also use coax shielding as charged capacitance, if this is real than creating resonance in resonance is possible AND it would be  a self adjusting resonance, here the famous tesla "extra coil"  can be wound as bifilar non inductive coil.

I can only assume that you are just not paying attention to my postings, or that you simply do not understand what I've demonstrated in my videos.


All of these things are accomplished and demonstrated in the last video I posted and are to be used in the EEEE apparatus I have outlined:

-- big charge on electrostatic part
-- sucking electrons from electrostatic terminal without flyback
-- charged capacitance in coaxial apparatus (not cable but in free space)
-- creates resonance in resonance
-- self adjusting auto-resonator driver
-- the "famous Tesla extra coil" -- but most definitely NOT non-inductive, as induction is important part of energy transfer through free space
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 16, 2018, 07:09:54 PM
Whenever you put a core into a coil you get overunity

No, cores other than the vacuum (or air, same thing practically) are loss mechanisms. They may concentrate magnetic fields but do so at the expense of power, which is dissipated by core motions both macroscopic and microscopic, Joule heating, EM radiation and other effects. Even ferroresonance is a loss mechanism. Any "free energy" must come from the energy of the vacuum, the true ZPE, and must not be dissipated in inevitably lossy cores.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 16, 2018, 07:59:47 PM
All of these things are accomplished and demonstrated in the last video I posted and are to be used in the EEEE apparatus I have outlined:

-- big charge on electrostatic part
-- sucking electrons from electrostatic terminal without flyback
-- charged capacitance in coaxial apparatus (not cable but in free space)
-- creates resonance in resonance
-- self adjusting auto-resonator driver
-- the "famous Tesla extra coil" -- but most definitely NOT non-inductive, as induction is important part of energy transfer through free space

Hi TK. Are you saying that you have achieved over unity with your device?
If not, what are you suggesting?
What you show in your video doesn't appear to show anything out of the ordinary
beyond normal 'wireless' induction between some tesla coils.


All the best...

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 16, 2018, 09:00:05 PM
TinselKoala: »Any "free energy" must come from the energy of the vacuum, the true ZPE, and must not be dissipated in inevitably lossy cores.«

Losses are irrelevant when a device generates free energy, see Barbosa's and Leal's heated copper pipe. Since the energy comes for free, then by definition there is nothing that can be lost.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on January 16, 2018, 09:50:38 PM
MAgnetic field is source of energy. More field more energy
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 16, 2018, 10:16:54 PM
Losses are irrelevant when a device generates free energy, see Barbosa's and Leal's heated copper pipe.
Since the energy comes for free, then by definition there is nothing that can be lost.

Hi Zeitmaschine. As I have mentioned already, you can connect a section of metal pipe such as
iron (has more resistance than copper) as part of the high current loop and it will get very hot if the
current is high enough. This is a similar principle as for an induction heater and an arc welder. It is not
over unity however.  I have also pointed out to you that Barbosa and Leal's devices work with a ground loop
to the grid, so the power is coming from the grid when connected to the grid. No one I have ever seen has been
able to show anything unusual from Barbosa and Leal devices when using a battery and inverter.

For some reason you continue to ignore these things and still insist that Barbosa and Leal devices
produce over unity. Unfortunately if you ignore evidence that gets in the way of what you would prefer to
believe you will most likely just end up deep in the weeds. The Barbosa and Leal captor loop devices are
most probably not over unity, with all the evidence fairly considered. Rationalizing that they wouldn't have spent
so much time on it if it didn't work is just a rationalization. They may very well have been fooled by the ground loop
to the grid being the real source of the power, just as many people still do not seem to understand how this happens
even in forums like this where this type of ground loop problem should really be common knowledge. I have played
around with a Barbosa and Leal setup using a battery and inverter, and the earth ground wire does nothing no matter
how I wound it around the captor loop wire or connected it to the captor loop wire. Anyway, I won't repeat this again
as it looks like you are determined to ignore any evidence that gets in the way of what you prefer to believe.
Basing your ideas on a device that by all indications is very unlikely to be OU is not a reasonable way to
approach things, IMO.


All the best...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 16, 2018, 11:30:16 PM
Void: »you can connect a section of metal pipe such as iron (has more resistance than copper) as part of the high current loop and it will get very hot if the current is high enough.«

Yes, IF the current is high enough. But just with the inverter connected to a small primary coil (transformer like arc welder but not size and power like arc welder) there is no need for the loop to get hot, tried it myself. If it starts to get hot nevertheless when HV is connected, then this would be a sign that something extraordinary is going on.

Void: » For some reason you continue to ignore these things and still insist that Barbosa and Leal devices
produce over unity.«

Not for some reason, but for good reason. The Kapanadze device seems to work, as we know. So there is no reason why the Barbosa-Leal device should not work, since there is most likely just one principle for that kind of devices. And very strangely Bearden describes exactly this principle in a paper from 1982 (see previous page).

Void: »this type of ground loop problem should really be common knowledge«

And that problem would be? When I connect an incandescent lamp with one side to phase of an electric socket and the other side to a water tap, then is it this what is called a ground loop? Maybe, but this does not interfere with my electricity meter. It continuous to meter every milliampere that goes through the lamp. So what ground loop is it, that could have misled two people familiar with electric equipment at once? Don't know.

Besides I have pointed out that there is no ground loop. The input from grid or inverter can be completely isolated from ground.

Void: »the earth ground wire does nothing no matter how I wound it around the captor loop wire or connected it to the captor loop wire«

Then the most reasonable assumption here would be, that something minor is wrong or missing. Any constructive feedback would be much appreciated instead of keeping saying researchers should better quit.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 17, 2018, 03:33:01 AM
Hi Zeitmaschine.

Yes, IF the current is high enough. But just with the inverter connected to a small primary coil (transformer like arc welder but not size and power like arc welder) there is no need for the loop to get hot, tried it myself. If it starts to get hot nevertheless when HV is connected, then this would be a sign that something extraordinary is going on.

I disagree. I have had quite thick cables get very hot in just a short time. :)
This was with the input power being less then 20 Watts. It is not over unity however.
I think it wouldn't take all that much more higher current to heat up a section of pipe


Not for some reason, but for good reason. The Kapanadze device seems to work, as we know. So there is no reason why the Barbosa-Leal device should not work, since there is most likely just one principle for that kind of devices. And very strangely Bearden describes exactly this principle in a paper from 1982 (see previous page).

Because Kapanadze's devices seem to be legit does not mean that the Barbosa and Leal devices are legit. :)
I have already given several reasons why I think the Barbosa and Leal captor loop devices are not likely at all to be OU.


And that problem would be? When I connect an incandescent lamp with one side to phase of an electric socket and the other side to a water tap, then is it this what is called a ground loop? Maybe, but this does not interfere with my electricity meter. It continuous to meter every milliampere that goes through the lamp. So what ground loop is it, that could have misled two people familiar with electric equipment at once? Don't know.
Besides I have pointed out that there is no ground loop. The input from grid or inverter can be completely isolated from ground.

Yes, it is of course a ground loop when you connect a lamp from the grid Live phase to earth ground.
If it does not fool your power meter, it doesn't mean at all that it will necessarily not fool power meters
in some other countries or areas with different grid systems and different types of power meters. :)
I have already pointed out I have not seen any reasonable demonstration of a Barbosa and Leal captor
loop setup appearing to produce OU when using a battery and inverter. That is not a small point.
If it doesn't work same with a battery and inverter as it does when connected to the grid, then obviously
the extra power is coming from the grid when connected to the grid.


Then the most reasonable assumption here would be, that something minor is wrong or missing. Any constructive feedback would be much appreciated instead of keeping saying researchers should better quit.

No one has said here researchers should quit. You just made that up. :)
I said it seems very unlikely that the Barbosa and Leal captor loop devices are OU, all things considered,
so hinging your ideas for Kapanade devices on an assumption that Barbosa and Leal devices are OU
does not seem like a good idea to me. Just my honest opinion, and it is constructive feedback.  :)
If you don't want honest feedback from others, then why post your ideas here?


All the best...

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 17, 2018, 04:35:59 AM
Don’t confuse high voltage/low current with low energy.
High voltage can create heat a lot faster than high current.
and more efficiently.


Ionization Energy and Melting Point are tied to the same
nucleic factor.



Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 17, 2018, 05:04:07 AM
MAgnetic field is source of energy. More field more energy

No, magnetic field is a _storage_ of energy which must come from somewhere else. Do you think a piggy bank is the source of money?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 17, 2018, 05:04:45 AM
Don’t confuse high voltage/low current with low energy.
High voltage can create heat a lot faster than high current.
and more efficiently.


Ionization Energy and Melting Point are tied to the same
nucleic factor.

Feel free to demonstrate the truth of your assertions.

Of course high energy is transmitted over high-voltage, lower current transmission lines in national electric supply grids constantly, due to reduced losses from joule heating which happens with low-voltage high current systems.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 17, 2018, 05:34:08 AM
Hi TK. Are you saying that you have achieved over unity with your device?
No, of course not. In fact I have not even built the full EEEE system (yet) due to lack of space (ironic isn't it) and funds.
Quote
If not, what are you suggesting?
I am "suggesting" that the devices I have designed, demonstrated, proposed and explained perform all of the things which others have suggested as the "secrets" of overunity. People are flailing around without any coherent scientific theory or well-formed testable hypotheses, not to mention the chasing of hoaxes that will never result in any payoff but will simply waste the time, energy and money of well-intentioned, hopeful, but naive experimenters (if they can be called "experimenters" at all rather than simply misguided hobbyists.)
As I noted above, the apparatus does everything listed by another poster, does it simply and cheaply and compactly and most of all, scientifically. There are sound scientific principles that hint at extremely powerful energy in the vacuum, and it is my intuition or tentative belief that the way to get to this energy and make it useful is to create stresses in the vacuum which will cause pair-production, and then an established power transmission system may then be able to entrain some -- perhaps an infinitesimal amount but still significant -- of this released energy of the vacuum -- AKA the real ZPE -- into a pre-existing flow of power, which thereby may be increased. This does not violate CoE or other "laws" of thermodynamics.
The apparatus I have outlined is a table-top demonstrator of these principles. I've stated elsewhere that stressing the vacuum to the needed degree will probably involve electric field strengths an order of magnitude or more greater than the simple demonstrator can achieve, and that "success" may be manifested, at first, as reduced losses resulting in a _slight_ increase of output power, or an improved ratio of out/in power. 

Quote

What you show in your video doesn't appear to show anything out of the ordinary
beyond normal 'wireless' induction between some tesla coils.


All the best...

My video (and others in the same series, as well as Gotoluc's work with the apparatus) demonstrates several simple parts of the idea: the power flow through space, capacitive stress, and the stepping-down of the transmitted HV/Low current into low voltage high current. The power flows through space in the TKoil X system mostly not by induction, but by capacitive coupling. The apparatus I've outlined called the "EEEE" overlaps inductive magnetic coupling and capacitive coupling and demonstrates the stressing of the vacuum due to the strongly coupled electric fields (capacitive) along with enveloping magnetic fields (inductive) . This is identical to what people have been flailing about with such things as "coil-capacitors" and so forth. Only it works. It is my firmly held and scientifically supported opinion that the devices mentioned in the title of this thread are mere hoaxes and red herrings... but as I have often said the best red herrings are real fish. By this I mean that the Kapa, Stepanov, Akula etc devices do work, for certain values of "work". That is, they are good _receivers_ of transmitted power using mainly inductive coupling, but they fail to create the proper conditions of stressing the vacuum in order to entrain "new" energy to make their outputs increase to the point of "overunity" performance. They are in fact receiving their power (all of it) from ordinary sources not shown by the hoaxers, and this is why the "replicators" here have not and will not ever succeed in their goals of making "self runners". 
(The Barbosa-Leal devices are simply working from their local SWGR grid system, as has been explained many times over.)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on January 17, 2018, 08:39:03 AM
Void: »you can connect a section of metal pipe such as iron (has more resistance than copper) as part of the high current loop and it will get very hot if the current is high enough.«

Yes, IF the current is high enough. But just with the inverter connected to a small primary coil (transformer like arc welder but not size and power like arc welder) there is no need for the loop to get hot, tried it myself. If it starts to get hot nevertheless when HV is connected, then this would be a sign that something extraordinary is going on.

Void: » For some reason you continue to ignore these things and still insist that Barbosa and Leal devices
produce over unity.«

Not for some reason, but for good reason. The Kapanadze device seems to work, as we know. So there is no reason why the Barbosa-Leal device should not work, since there is most likely just one principle for that kind of devices. And very strangely Bearden describes exactly this principle in a paper from 1982 (see previous page).

Void: »this type of ground loop problem should really be common knowledge«

And that problem would be? When I connect an incandescent lamp with one side to phase of an electric socket and the other side to a water tap, then is it this what is called a ground loop? Maybe, but this does not interfere with my electricity meter. It continuous to meter every milliampere that goes through the lamp. So what ground loop is it, that could have misled two people familiar with electric equipment at once? Don't know.

Besides I have pointed out that there is no ground loop. The input from grid or inverter can be completely isolated from ground.

Void: »the earth ground wire does nothing no matter how I wound it around the captor loop wire or connected it to the captor loop wire«

Then the most reasonable assumption here would be, that something minor is wrong or missing. Any constructive feedback would be much appreciated instead of keeping saying researchers should better quit.
Hi Heir Time machine how much current do you need ?  2-3 kv of the grid is a bit leathel and will the insulation in the windings go that far ? all you need is a power FET 6volts on a larger ferrox cube or ring primary 8 to 12 turns 18swg depends on current and 8 - 12turns feed back with 220 to 470 r in gate feed back loop and a secondary 600 t insulated layers iif its ac you will need 1200 or more depending on input volts but it will be highly efficient. Works for me.
 
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: leo48 on January 17, 2018, 08:59:21 AM
 ;D
Guys ... I found a youtube of 2004 kapanadze to which subtitles were added in Russian but it is possible to translate them ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s2t_puDDhI

Leo48
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: itsu on January 17, 2018, 11:07:50 AM
No, of course not. In fact I have not even built the full EEEE system (yet) due to lack of space (ironic isn't it) and funds. I am "suggesting" that the devices I have designed, demonstrated, proposed and explained perform all of the things which others have suggested as the "secrets" of overunity. People are flailing around without any coherent scientific theory or well-formed testable hypotheses, not to mention the chasing of hoaxes that will never result in any payoff but will simply waste the time, energy and money of well-intentioned, hopeful, but naive experimenters (if they can be called "experimenters" at all rather than simply misguided hobbyists.)
As I noted above, the apparatus does everything listed by another poster, does it simply and cheaply and compactly and most of all, scientifically. There are sound scientific principles that hint at extremely powerful energy in the vacuum, and it is my intuition or tentative belief that the way to get to this energy and make it useful is to create stresses in the vacuum which will cause pair-production, and then an established power transmission system may then be able to entrain some -- perhaps an infinitesimal amount but still significant -- of this released energy of the vacuum -- AKA the real ZPE -- into a pre-existing flow of power, which thereby may be increased. This does not violate CoE or other "laws" of thermodynamics.
The apparatus I have outlined is a table-top demonstrator of these principles. I've stated elsewhere that stressing the vacuum to the needed degree will probably involve electric field strengths an order of magnitude or more greater than the simple demonstrator can achieve, and that "success" may be manifested, at first, as reduced losses resulting in a _slight_ increase of output power, or an improved ratio of out/in power. 

My video (and others in the same series, as well as Gotoluc's work with the apparatus) demonstrates several simple parts of the idea: the power flow through space, capacitive stress, and the stepping-down of the transmitted HV/Low current into low voltage high current. The power flows through space in the TKoil X system mostly not by induction, but by capacitive coupling. The apparatus I've outlined called the "EEEE" overlaps inductive magnetic coupling and capacitive coupling and demonstrates the stressing of the vacuum due to the strongly coupled electric fields (capacitive) along with enveloping magnetic fields (inductive) . This is identical to what people have been flailing about with such things as "coil-capacitors" and so forth. Only it works. It is my firmly held and scientifically supported opinion that the devices mentioned in the title of this thread are mere hoaxes and red herrings... but as I have often said the best red herrings are real fish. By this I mean that the Kapa, Stepanov, Akula etc devices do work, for certain values of "work". That is, they are good _receivers_ of transmitted power using mainly inductive coupling, but they fail to create the proper conditions of stressing the vacuum in order to entrain "new" energy to make their outputs increase to the point of "overunity" performance. They are in fact receiving their power (all of it) from ordinary sources not shown by the hoaxers, and this is why the "replicators" here have not and will not ever succeed in their goals of making "self runners". 
(The Barbosa-Leal devices are simply working from their local SWGR grid system, as has been explained many times over.)

Very interesting TK,

i am sure you got the attention of some people, you sure got mine.
Is there a possibility to open a new thread on your "Apparatus for Entraining Envirmonmental Electrical Energy (EEEE) v2.2"
so these interested people can start gathering components and join you into a build?

Regards Itsu
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 17, 2018, 01:00:20 PM
Void: »Because Kapanadze's devices seem to be legit does not mean that the Barbosa and Leal devices are legit.«

But it makes it likelier. Kapanadze's devices also capture electrons from ground.

First Barbosa and Leal demonstrate a free electric energy device, a short time later they back down, saying sorry, it was a mistake. Shortly afterwards they file a patent regarding a process that normally requires electricity, but thanks to their invention (or discovery) of a new chemical process it does now work without electric power consumption. You have to admit, that this is quite suspicious. Even more in the light that the respective website (http://evolucoeshidrogas.com.br/) shows not one genuine image of something real, just symbolic photos and drawings.

BTW, can you show me the ground loop in the drawing below? It is the non-polarized version as depicted in the patent. Though I still have no idea what the polarized version should be good for.

As one can clearly see, there is a dot missing in each of the two drawings. Does that mean, there is no connection between some mysterious positive voltage source and the closed loop, but rather that plus sign is just a pointer, saying the closed loop is already connected to positive? Of course it is connected to something (periodically) positive, namely to the high voltage transformer coil. The minus sign connection is drawn with a dot. Does that mean, for some reason, it is imperative that the primary coil is connected to ground? Maybe for safety, because the looped coil is energized with high voltage? Or could there be another reason?

The left-hand drawing shows two primary coils connected in parallel and two secondary looped coils connected in series. I have no idea what the advantage of that could be. At least the different versions prove, Barbosa and Leal experimented a lot with that kind of setup, so the chance they missed to recognize a simple (non-existing) ground loop should be even less.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 17, 2018, 05:05:02 PM
...
They are in fact receiving their power (all of it) from ordinary sources not shown by the hoaxers, and this is why the "replicators" here have not and will not ever succeed in their goals of making "self runners". 
(The Barbosa-Leal devices are simply working from their local SWGR grid system, as has been explained many times over.)

Hi TK. While I fully realize that the chances are quite small that any given OU device claimant's
devices are really OU, Kapanadze has done various demonstrations of his devices up close in front of
a number of different people where people were able to watch as things are connected up and inspect
all the wires etc., and his demos in Turkey and on the island for potential investors would be particularly hard
to fake it seems to me, especially the island demo where it was said that Kapanadze did not know
the destination for the demo before hand. The potential investors took Kapanadze there by boat. The island demo video
clip that I think was originally posted by Youtube user 'teofiliuss' (the Youtube account is no longer there now), who I think
stated he attended the demo and he may have been the one who video recorded it, seems to show that Kapanadze was able
to demonstrate his device on that remote island.

When I consider all the different demos that kapanadze has done under different conditions, I know that as unlikely
as a real OU device may be that Kapanadze's various demonstrations up close in front of other people, all
taken together as a whole, do stand up pretty well to critical analysis. To suggest that Kapanadze used hidden
power wires or a giant hidden tesla coil transmitter in every case when powering loads from about 1kW to 5kW,
and possibly a lot more in one or two demos, with no attendees to date ever reporting seeing anything suspicious
just does not seem too likely to me. So as improbable as his devices may seem, until I see some actual convincing evidence
that Kapanadze has been using tricks I think the actual evidence to date leaves it open that Kapanadze's devices
may possibly be real.

Akula's few demonstrations that we know of in front of others without (any reported) detection of any tricks so far also
makes me think that his devices may possibly be legit as well (not using tricks). Notice I use the term 'may possibly'. :)
There is no way to say for sure those devices are legit OU devices without independent testing, but nevertheless
I think Kapanadze's and Akula's devices (maybe to a lesser extent) are possibly legit, all things fairly considered.

I do not jump to conclusions without actual reasonable and convincing evidence, so I take the position that Kapanadze's
and Akula's devices might possibly be legit given all the evidence to date, and it can't be reasonably said that
either of these guy's devices are definitely fake without some actual evidence of that. It would likely take one very large
tesla coil to power loads of several kW's at a far distance, so that doesn't seem too likely at all to me as a possible
explanation. Kapanadze is not powering loads of a few Watts or tens of Watts. He powers loads of kW's in his demos. :)

I agree that the Barbosa and Leal devices are not likely legit. They have not done any convincing demos in front of others
that I know of where they were able to demonstrate apparent OU using a battery and inverter as the power source, or showing
a self looped configuration with no battery or other power source, so their claims of OU seem very unlikely to me given what
they did show.


All the best...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 17, 2018, 05:34:01 PM
Hi Zetmaschine. The drawings you posted for Barbosa and Leal would seem to show
a direct connection to the grid live phase and neutral phase to the load, which would seemingly
indicate that the power is coming directly from the grid for those configurations. Patent
drawings sometimes/often contain deliberate omissions or some deceptive details, so it is
not clear how the load should be connected in their patent drawings. However Ariovaldo who
posts here got his hands on a device that was made by Barbosa and Leal, and Ariovaldo did a
full tear down on that device and the load was connected between the live phase and the earth
ground wire, according to what Ariovaldo found when examining the device. That is a ground loop.
So, I have been basing my opinion on both the patent drawings combined with what Ariovaldo
found in the device that was built by Barbosa and Leal. The fact that the current meter on the
device also read the current loop current rather than the input current on the live phase wire
also seems very suspicious.

If Barbosa and Leal were to demonstrate an OU effect with their devices in front of a number of
independent witnesses when powered from a battery and inverter, or when configured as a self
runner with no battery at all as Kapanadze has done on a number of occasions, then I might
be more inclined to think that they may possibly have something legit, but what they have shown to
date with a connection directly to the grid as the input power source is not very convincing at all,
to say the least, and the device that they built confirmed the ground loop, and suspiciously measured
the current in the current loop instead of the input current or output current. All things considered
Barbosa and Leal's devices seem pretty low to me at best on the OU credibility scale.

Your suggestion that because Barbosa and Leal have moved onto something completely different
(a chemical process to derive hydrogen from water) somehow supports the credibility of their
captor loop devices makes no sense. They have teamed up with a chemist and started a new
business that does not appear to be at all related to their former captor loop device claims. This
new chemical process they are claiming is supposed to not use electrolysis (no electricity), so
suggesting that it really uses their captor loop devices does not make any sense to me.

I won't keep repeating myself on this as I think all this should be pretty much self evident anyway. :)
At any rate, this is my own personal view of the Barbosa and Leal captor loop devices.

All the best...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on January 17, 2018, 05:56:55 PM

When I consider all the different demos that kapanadze has done under different conditions, I know that as unlikely
as a real OU device may be that Kapanadze's various demonstrations up close in front of other people, all
taken together as a whole do stand up quite well to critical analysis.

All the best...

Hi Void,

Forgive me for labouring the point but his demos have not stood up to critical analysis in my opinion. Being close to his contraptions proved little because firstly we do not know how many in the crowd were part of his team. For example take the bearded man and TK's son standing next to each other in the green box garden video. Notice that they are flanked both sides by a man and a women. I saw nobody walk round between them to inspect the area around the bearded man. As you know, I am fairly sure that the bearded man holds the hidden power feed cable. The tester with the clamp meter is only allowed to clamp the wires directed by TK and is not seen looking closely at anything on the table. The rest of the crowd were just looking at the show from a distance.

Moving onto the Aqua 2 demo, as I have commented in the past, this was a joke, where from video evidence, no meter readings were shown because as I understand from a.king21 the testing team was not allowed to make any invasive measurements which would have been necessary with this setup. Despite this, the team appeared to be awestruck at the contraptions capability! As for the 1994 workshop video, there was far too much clutter on the bench around the contraption to really make any valued judgement as to whether it could have been genuine or not. Speculation heaped on speculation is all we really have. What we don't have and cannot have is any critical analysis and at this point in time, several years on from the events, its still 50/50 as to whether TK's contraptions are fake or genuine self-runners.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 17, 2018, 06:21:56 PM
Hi Hoppy. Well, I guess we disagree then. :) The Turkey demo and the island demos in
particular would be very hard to fake I think given that the potential investors would most
probably have been very much on their guard for any attempts to trick them, unless they were
complete morons, and I don't buy it as at all likely that those potential investors were all in on some elaborate
scam with Kapanadze when those demos were done. Seems quite unlikely to me. Until I see
some actual credible evidence of tricks or other skulduggery, I will leave the possibility open that Kapanadze's devices
may be legit. :)


All the best...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 17, 2018, 06:22:31 PM
Void: »The fact that the current meter on the device also read the current loop current rather than the input current on the live phase wire also seems very suspicious.«

I have still a problem with that, therefore an easy question, straight forward: During the demonstration they have connected a bunch of incandescent lamps to one of their devices (see below). Now, if those lamps are powered by the grid due to a ground loop, what should happen when the shorted secondary coil is opened (cut) while the device is running? The lamps stay on, or the lamps go off? An idea?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 17, 2018, 06:35:14 PM
Void: »The fact that the current meter on the device also read the current loop current rather than the input current on the live phase wire also seems very suspicious.«

I have still a problem with that, therefore an easy question, straight forward: During the demonstration they have connected a bunch of incandescent lamps to one of their devices (see below). Now, if those lamps are powered by the grid due to a ground loop, what should happen when the shorted secondary coil is opened (cut) while the device is running? The lamps stay on, or the lamps go off? An idea?

Hi Zeitmaschine. Well, there is no way to say how they had things connected internally
for that demo, so I think there is no way to tell what they might really have been doing there.

Now if Barbosa and Leal could demonstrate in front of independent witnesses that their devices work
in a self looped configuration with no grid connection or battery like Kapanadze has demonstrated, then
they would have more credibility IMO. What they have shown was not very convincing to me at all.
With the excess power that they were claiming to be able to produce, it should have been very simple
for them to create and demonstrate a self looped configuration with no connection to the grid.

All the best...

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 17, 2018, 07:05:49 PM
Void: »Well, there is no way to say how they had things connected internally for that demo, so I think there is no way to tell what they might really have been doing there.«

No way to tell? Just in reply #187 it was a ground loop. Strange.

The deeper problem is this: If those lamps are powered by a ground loop then they should stay lit when the closed circuit is cut, because that closed circuit then has nothing to do with the output power of the device. But the patent states about that closed circuit, 2 turns for the generation of electricity and 4 turns to generate heat. And that means they must have done experiments with that closed circuit and therefore they would have noticed that the output power stays the same (due to the ground loop) regardless whether the loop has 2 turns or 4 turns or there is no loop at all. So, there is no way they could have overlooked that ground loop accidentally. And that means they must have faked that presentation deliberately. But this makes no sense either.

Conclusion: If there is a ground loop, then it was deliberately faked.

Explanation?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 17, 2018, 07:31:18 PM
Void: »Well, there is no way to say how they had things connected internally for that demo, so I think there is no way to tell what they might really have been doing there.«

No way to tell? Just in reply #187 it was a ground loop. Strange.
The deeper problem is this: If those lamps are powered by a ground loop then they should stay lit when the closed circuit is cut, because that closed circuit then has nothing to do with the output power of the device. But the patent states about that closed circuit, 2 turns for the generation of electricity and 4 turns to generate heat. And that means they must have done experiments with that closed circuit and therefore they would have noticed that the output power stays the same (due to the ground loop) regardless whether the loop has 2 turns or 4 turns or there is no loop at all. So, there is no way they could have overlooked that ground loop accidentally. And that means they must have faked that presentation deliberately. But this makes no sense either.

Conclusion: If there is a ground loop, then it was deliberately faked.
Explanation?

Hi Zeitmaschine. I wasn't saying I didn't think a ground loop was involved, I was
saying it wasn't known how other things were connected internally so there is no way
to know what should happen when breaking a current loop, as internally it may not
have been wired the way you think it was supposed to be wired. I am not interested in getting
into a long drawn out argument about it because I think that is pointless. :) If Barbosa and
Leal could demonstrate a self runner in front of independent witnesses who could come
up close and look around for possible hidden wires as Kapanadze has done, then that would
add some credibility to their claims, but what they have shown previously is not very credible to me.
You are welcome to your own views on the matter however. That is my point of view.


All the best...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 17, 2018, 08:07:05 PM
Hi zeit.
The last two drawings look like a desperate try from the part of the inventors to hide their real device operation. No spark gaps no high frequencies no caps, nothing that could show something!   

May I ask where did you find the previous circuit with the two transformers?
 
I already ordered the above mini transformers. 220 to 24V 1.5VA! 2.60 Euros each.

Hi TK ;)
Nice demonstration! Are your Tesla coils sharing the same earth ground? 
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: ariovaldo on January 17, 2018, 08:39:12 PM
Barbosa and Leal circuit with values.

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: ariovaldo on January 17, 2018, 09:09:06 PM
The same of the above schematic.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 17, 2018, 09:26:49 PM
The same of the above schematic.

Thanks Ariovaldo.

All the best...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 17, 2018, 10:10:28 PM
Jeg: »May I ask where did you find the previous circuit with the two transformers?«

My setup suggestion based on all available information; if you referring to the double coil variant.

Jeg: »I already ordered the above mini transformers. 220 to 24V 1.5VA! 2.60 Euros each.«

0,5VA or less would also be sufficient. And I have still no idea, how to get high voltage at 50Hz or 100Hz without a transformer. Could be, there is no other way.

The interesting thing here is, what kind of 100Hz HV transformer could fit into Kapanadze's tin can? I don't think Kapanadze connected 8 to 10 small transformers together. If there would be no need for a sinusoidal high voltage but just 100Hz pulses - or maybe sharp pulses are even better - then things would be easier (http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-an-Ultra-Simple-High-Voltage-Generator/), perhaps. Could be, if sharp high voltage pulses are needed then they are not obtained by means of a spark gap, but by overdriving the HV transformer.

ariovaldo: »Barbosa and Leal circuit with values.«

Conclusion: Someone gave you a non-working device. Maybe to make the real device look like a fake. Trust No 1.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 17, 2018, 10:56:28 PM
The interesting thing here is, what kind of 100Hz HV transformer could fit into Kapanadze's tin can?

Hi Zeitmaschine. I would take a guess that Kapanadze may have possibly had a flyback transformer
in the tobacco can. The two external transistors on the heat sinks possibly were the driver transistors for the
flyback transformer primary. You can see in the 2004 device that the output of the inverter goes to
a regular power transformer and then to what looks like four power diodes and a capacitor to filter to DC.
Just guessing based on what can be seen externally. :)

All the best...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 17, 2018, 11:20:47 PM
But there are no transistors on the 2004 device heat sinks. See illustration on page one.

Looking at the Stepanov three-phase transformers, there is no way driving them with transistors. But if that HV transformer is not a HV transformer but a step-down one and it is connected in reverse to a frequency doubler circuit, then that frequency doubler circuit could generate somehow sharp high voltage pulses on the primary coil.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: endlessoceans on January 18, 2018, 12:30:15 AM
The same of the above schematic.

Tinsel is 100% correct

Ignore all the nonsense coils on that schematic and simply follow where the HOT line from the mains goes.   The coils do nothing except attempt to pseudoscience the fool.   The Neutral return is not used but instead is sourced through the ground and thus bypasses the meter stealing from the grid.

This method will work in any Country which has SWER.  2nd and 3rd World usually.  Why do you think Barbosa and Leal restricted sales to their home Country only????

Wake up

Outside of that there are many beautiful methods for energy harvesting but the Barbosa is just theft pure and simple.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 18, 2018, 01:33:20 AM
But there are no transistors on the 2004 device heat sinks.

Hi Zeitmaschine. Then what type of components do you think are mounted on the
two black heat sinks on the far side of the tobacco can? It does look like there may
be only two white wires going to each component on the heat sinks, but there could
very possibly be a third wire going to each component that is not clearly visible. If I
had to guess, I would guess they are probably transistors on those two black heat sinks.

All the best...

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 18, 2018, 03:05:18 AM
Hot diodes on heat sinks make no sense, capacitors should not need a heat sink, so what's left are two resistors.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 18, 2018, 03:15:55 AM
Hot diodes on heat sinks make no sense, capacitors should not need a heat sink, so what's left are two resistors.

Hi Zeitmaschine. No, I doubt they are resistors mounted on heat sinks.
I would guess that they are probably power transistors, just as were also used on the green box device.

All the best...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 18, 2018, 06:05:38 AM
(snip)

Hi TK ;)
Nice demonstration! Are your Tesla coils sharing the same earth ground?

Thanks. No, in that video nothing, neither the transmitter nor the two receiving coils are grounded by any wire connection. The power transfer proceeds entirely through space. When I touch the base of the 120V bulb with the little wire probe, my body provides a capacitive coupling to earth ground. This could be replaced by a wire to an earth ground for even more effectiveness but for the video I wanted to show that no wired ground is actually necessary. The 12 volt 25 watt brakelight bulb is only connected to the reducing coil around the third ("extra") receiver coil, nothing else.




AND I see that once again, someone has posted extra-wide pictures that cause posts to run off the right edge of the screen.

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 18, 2018, 10:24:12 AM
endlessoceans: »This method will work in any Country which has SWER.  2nd and 3rd World usually.  Why do you think Barbosa and Leal restricted sales to their home Country only?«

Then why do you think Barbosa and Leal have filed international patents for this, if this is all a deliberate fake? What's the point in having patent protection for a phony device?

Void: »I would guess that they are probably power transistors«

If one can show me transistors connected with two wires only. There is definitely no third wire connected. But if you still prefer to go around in circles without any progress regarding this subject, I will not interfere any longer.

TinselKoala: »AND I see that once again, someone has posted extra-wide pictures«

Doesn't bother me anymore, see bottom of reply 32 (http://overunity.com/17535/kapanadze-stepanov-barbosa-leal-and-the-secret-of-free-energy/msg515013/#msg515013). At least a little progress.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 18, 2018, 10:47:06 AM
No, in that video nothing, neither the transmitter nor the two receiving coils are grounded by any wire connection. The power transfer proceeds entirely through space.

Just great! I wonder of what its behavior would be with more secondaries like Don Smith's arrangement!
I'll try the same with my Katcher's driver! Thanks for sharing ;)

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 18, 2018, 04:52:04 PM
Hi again

Guys i need a software with the ability to calculate and draw the calculated phase shift to a power signal when i introduce specific values of frequency inductance and capacity to it. Is there something out there that can do the job and which i can download from the web??

Thanks
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 18, 2018, 06:34:12 PM
Void: »I would guess that they are probably power transistors«

If one can show me transistors connected with two wires only. There is definitely no third wire connected. But if you still prefer to go around in circles without any progress regarding this subject, I will not interfere any longer.

Hi Zeitmaschine. Unless you can show a clear video screen shot where it can be confirmed that
there are definitely not three wires going to each heat sink, then that is only an
assumption on your part, just as much of what you have been saying is at best assumptions.
In that 2004 video, it seems at least possible to me that a third wire for each heat sink may be out of sight.

Also, your previous assumption that the Barbosa and Leal device obtained by Ariovaldo
was not really made by Barbosa and Leal just because what Ariovaldo found when he tore it down
doesn't fit with what you prefer to believe seems quite a far stretch. :) At any rate, much
of what you have been saying is not supported with evidence or seems to be in direct conflict
with evidence, or it makes little sense, but good luck with it. :)

All the best...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 18, 2018, 07:15:53 PM
Hi again
Guys i need a software with the ability to calculate and draw the calculated phase shift to a power signal when i introduce specific
values of frequency inductance and capacity to it. Is there something out there that can do the job and which i can download from the web??
Thanks

Hi Jeg. I don't know of any calculator type programs that can do that other than
maybe circuit simulator and analysis software such as Matlab Simulink, but I think it is probably expensive
and may have a big learning curve. Maybe someone here does know of a simpler and cheaper or free program or
online app which can do that sort of thing however.

It has been a long time since I did calculations like that, but I think these are the
formulas to use if it helps:

Impedance Magnitude:
Z = SQRT( R^2 + (XL − XC)^2 )

Phase Angle:
tan θ = (XL − XC) / R
​So, I think you would need to get the arctangent of tan θ to get the
phase angle from this formula.


P.S.
If they are simple RLC series and parallel configurations, see the online calculators here:
http://keisan.casio.com/exec/system/1258032708
http://keisan.casio.com/exec/system/1258032695
There are more impedance calculators for different parallel and series RLC arrangements listed in
the links list on the right hand side of the calculator page, under 'Related Calculator'.
They calculate the impedance and phase angle.


All the best...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on January 18, 2018, 08:35:32 PM
two mosfets from old tv working like a 1kV diodes ?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: ariovaldo on January 18, 2018, 10:22:06 PM
The truth !!
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 19, 2018, 12:00:06 AM
Void: »Unless you can show a clear video screen shot where it can be confirmed that there are definitely not three wires going to each heat sink, then that is only an assumption on your part«

Likewise. Unless you can show a clear video screen shot where it can be confirmed that there are definitely transistors on those heat sinks, then that is only an assumption on your part.

Void: »just because what Ariovaldo found when he tore it down doesn't fit with what you prefer to believe seems quite a far stretch«

Talking about a far stretch, what about that stretch: 

ENERGIA LIVRE - MINISTRO LOBÃO (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePvn34JkelY) (translation of the video description): »The Minister of Mines and Energy, Edison Lobão, was in Imperatriz this Thursday (03-15-2012) to discuss political issues and, in an interview, spoke about "Universal Energy", a scientific discovery recently launched by researchers and businessmen Nilson Barbosa and Cleriston Leal. The minister says he has already spoken to the researchers and that the scientists representing the Ministry of Mines and Energy are evaluating this new technological breakthrough.«

Barbosa and Leal presented (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsPeceaPTUo) their (allegedly fake) device to Edison Lobão, the Minister of Mines and Energy. Interesting, I think Kapanadze did something alike.


THE TRUTH

They, Barbosa and Leal, can't have missed a ground loop, which connected the load simply to the grid, by accident, because the patent states clearly that they made modifications to the shorted coil, which according to the patent generates somehow the additional energy in the device. They would have noticed, if that shorted coil would have not worked the way they thought.

Then, did they fake this deliberately? What for? To present that fake device to the Minister of Mines and Energy? Or to have a reason to file five patents for nothing? And why that shorted coil that generates lots of heat unnecessarily if this is a fake? To risk to blow the mains fuse because of a short circuit? This does not add up.

I will tell you, what adds up: They presented their working device to the Ministry of Mines and Energy and then they were shut down by even that Ministry, because the device worked as claimed. In order to avoid a lot of trouble they were forced to back down and maybe also to »fake« their own device, to make it look like it was a fake right from the beginning; no one should ask further questions and forget about it. In addition, »damage containment« was arranged by so-called »vested interests« in the form of hired writers, whose task is to convince people in the fora that the Barbosa-Leal device was just some sort of a curious fallacy and shit happens sometimes. This is, what adds up. Sorry about that.


CONTINUING WITH THE AGENDA

cosmoLV (http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg314848/#msg314848) on March 09, 2012, 03:12 AM: »Most important thing is to generate sharp pulses (triggered)«

Triggered? What could that mean? We need (maybe) sharp pulses, but we do not want to use a spark gap, because it is too unreliable. So the idea could be to ask, is the transformer used by Stepanov a step-up transformer, or rather a step-down one? A step-down transformer can also generate high voltage pulses when its primary coil (actually the secondary coil in reverse) is connected to some voltage. A spark gap connected to a sinusoidal high voltage will fire at positive peak and at negative peak. But what, if we need only positive pulses or only negative pulses? The diode bridge provides positive pulses at 100Hz low voltage. Then, most likely, those impulses should be converted to negative high voltage pulses by means of a capacitor and a resistor; no transistors involved. EV Gray: »Split the positive«. And then use what? The positive or the negative?

Anyhow, we should keep it simple.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 19, 2018, 03:06:41 AM
Likewise. Unless you can show a clear video screen shot where it can be confirmed that there are definitely transistors on those heat sinks,
then that is only an assumption on your part.

Hi Zeitmaschine. But then again, I never said I was sure it is transistors.
I said my guess would be it is transistors.   
I can see that such distinctions are lost on you however... ;D

All the best...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 19, 2018, 03:14:48 AM
The truth !!

Hi Ariovaldo. Yes, it seems either Barbosa and Leal didn't understand what a ground
loop is and does, or they were deliberately trying to fool the power meters. At any rate
they have stopped working with their 'electron captor loop' devices for several years already
and moved on to other things. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they were told to stop by the
local authorities or face criminal charges. Yes, stealing power from power companies can bring
jail time in some countries. :)

All the best...

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on January 19, 2018, 07:53:39 AM
Zeitmaschine


You are 100% correct ! That's what happened I'm sure. Governments are not interested in free energy for masses. Interestingly that energy properly applied is the only way to solve climate crisis, but they would rather prepare to mass extinction then to allow their money to flow to poor people for making world the better place. Anyway, money is fake currency - what matters is Truth - we have all energy in Earth able to help every human being to live in comfort peaceful life and care about others and whole nature.
Ed Gray "splitting the positive" is probably from other method , more related to TPU, but here you have the most important discovery in modern history of mankind.


The magnetic field is the source and sink for vacuum energy.


There is many way to tap this energy, we don't need the generators as today constructed.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on January 19, 2018, 07:59:12 AM
Want to know the one more method ? : http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8460-essence-physical-effect-generating-free-energy-secondary-field.html
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 19, 2018, 11:05:37 AM
Hi Void
Thanks a lot for the links. Indeed very useful! ;)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 19, 2018, 01:30:15 PM
As a side note: OPEC Gets Another Supply Headache From Surging Brazilian Exports (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-23/opec-gets-another-supply-headache-from-surging-brazilian-exports)

Of course the Brazilian Ministry of Mines and Energy will embrace two guys coming up with a free energy device. Why not?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: leo48 on January 23, 2018, 04:24:51 PM
No idea?
 :'(

Leo48
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 24, 2018, 10:00:15 PM
My latest idea was to burn my oscilloscope's test probe while generating over 1000 volts at 100Hz with the help of a small 12V transformer. Also my lead-acid experimenting battery has died; need a new one.

In the meantime some more ideas would be appreciated, how transformers can be connected completely the wrong way. On page one we can read these statements from the inventors:

Barbosa-Leal: »[...] electric energy corresponding to the same power consumption of the loads.«
Kapanadze: »[...] in accordance with the need and maintains the energy to be ready to be used.«


RESONANCE IN RESONANCE

Plainly this says, the more current the load needs, the more current the device provides. Therefore, what about connecting the high voltage (generating) transformer through the load to ground, not directly? On one end of the secondary high voltage coil there is a surplus of electrons that generates a magnetic field in the closed loop, on the other end of the same coil those electrons are drawn from ground through the load and therefore enhancing the load's current. If there is no load, then the high voltage coil is no longer connected low-ohmic to ground. The Interesting thing here would be, if the load is shorted, will the device simply stop to work, or will it explode? We can test this later. The problem is, Kapanadze's ground wire carries 22 amps, but the high voltage coil is rather not suitable for that current. In the setup drawing below the grounding end of the high voltage coil is connected not to ground but to 220V/50Hz; that voltage also attracts electrons from ground, because it is clamped to ground on one side (neutral when connected to grid and phase). Then that clamped 220V/50Hz is mixed with 2000V/100Hz and connected to the closed loop, therefore the high voltage forms a feedback loop to 220V/50Hz through the magnetic field of the shorted transformer. Perhaps we could call this »resonance in resonance«. First resonance is 100Hz phase-locked to 50Hz, second resonance is the feedback loop from 50Hz low voltage to 100Hz high voltage back to 50Hz low voltage. It is also possible, that the shorted circuit creates ionization; if ever needed.

Also to consider: Kapanadze and Barbosa-Leal say actually the same, hence chances are very small, that although the Kapanadze device is real, the Barbosa-Leal device is not. Would be a strange coincidence.


KEEP IT SIMPLE

Still the main guideline is to stay within the scope what can be done with a three-phase transformer and some simple electric parts. Adding more and more complexity will lead to nothing. This is not a data processing device. It is just a device that generates electric and magnetic fields. If it does not work simple, it will not work complicated. There is high voltage (around 2000V) at twice the base frequency (100Hz), either sinusoidal, or (sharp) pulses, those pulses are generated either by a spark gap, or, more likely, by overdriving the transformer (core saturation). A shorted transformer coil then captures the electrons attracted by the high voltage (this seems to be the most tricky part). The objective is to have a closed circuit, not closed in space but closed in time (cosmoLV: »always this is manipulation with time«). Capture the electrons from ground (or ionized air) and let them do work, afterwards close the circuit and put them back where they came from, not straightway while they generate the magnetic field. No closed circuit in space, no killed dipole (Bearden). It either works (somehow) this way, or it will never work; as my inner voice tells me.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 25, 2018, 02:39:38 PM
Hi Zeit
100Hz locked with 50 Hz means that there are instances during each cycle in which peak current of 50Hz is in phase with high voltage of 100Hz. For me if there is something into it then this is it.
Firing at the exact moment, perhaps impedance alternates between a low and a high value. An effect which will reflect back to the primary across the load.

You are lucky for not destroying your oscilloscope's channel.

I have got my 220 to 24V small transformers. I haven't still decide on how to connect their primaries in terms of input peak to peak voltage.

Running to multisim the whole two trans design, i found out that i need at least a 100uF cap in combination with a maximum of 400 Ohm resistance (when having 100mH primary). If you find something better then lets discuss it.

Regards
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Belfior on January 25, 2018, 03:44:25 PM
my direction is using HV in the transformer primary and close to 12V in the secondary. Transformer has the primary wrapped in a small E-core and the 2 secondaries are wound on the opposing sides on an U-core. So the primary core is inside the secondary core. The opposing flux from the loads should now flow between each load coil and not the prim coil.

Then I charge enough big caps to 12V and feed that to an inverter the pushes out 230V AC

My opinion is that a transformer secondary only sees flux and you can provide that with voltage too. Electromagnets work that way.
Capacitors only store energy/charge. You can do that with voltage too and the current can be almost zero

This would be simple enough. Tariel is doing something similar. There is no need to "capture electrons" or to use black magic and ghosts. He could also use 3 phase transformer like this. 2 coils he puts into resonance and third he uses for load. Just use a slayer circuit and connect the secondary to your slayer feedback and the other end to ground. Slayer circuit would keep it in resonance no matter what you pull from the load coil. load coil could maybe be open ended and lead to the load and have the other end of the load grounded



Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: kpannic on January 25, 2018, 04:35:22 PM
my direction is using HV in the transformer primary and close to 12V in the secondary. Transformer has the primary wrapped in a small E-core and the 2 secondaries are wound on the opposing sides on an U-core. So the primary core is inside the secondary core. The opposing flux from the loads should now flow between each load coil and not the prim coil.

Then I charge enough big caps to 12V and feed that to an inverter the pushes out 230V AC

My opinion is that a transformer secondary only sees flux and you can provide that with voltage too. Electromagnets work that way.
Capacitors only store energy/charge. You can do that with voltage too and the current can be almost zero

This would be simple enough. Tariel is doing something similar. There is no need to "capture electrons" or to use black magic and ghosts. He could also use 3 phase transformer like this. 2 coils he puts into resonance and third he uses for load. Just use a slayer circuit and connect the secondary to your slayer feedback and the other end to ground. Slayer circuit would keep it in resonance no matter what you pull from the load coil. load coil could maybe be open ended and lead to the load and have the other end of the load grounded

make a little diagram ...pls
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 25, 2018, 05:13:21 PM
my direction is using HV in the transformer primary and close to 12V in the secondary. Transformer has the primary wrapped in a small E-core and the 2 secondaries are wound on the opposing sides on an U-core. So the primary core is inside the secondary core. The opposing flux from the loads should now flow between each load coil and not the prim coil.


Thane Heins? I have never tested this technique. Thanks for bringing it ;)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Belfior on January 25, 2018, 06:01:27 PM
make a little diagram ...pls

Well I could be totally wrong. I want to try stuff out myself first before I start talking about GOD here ;)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 26, 2018, 01:20:12 AM
Jeg: »I have got my 220 to 24V small transformers. I haven't still decide on how to connect their primaries in terms of input peak to peak voltage.«

Each modification how the transformers are connected to one another and each modification of the capacity and the resistance will change the output waveform. There are a lot of possibilities to play around with. But just in case nothing works (as usual) here comes some doom-mongering of mine:


ALTERNATIVE FACTS

As a matter of fact, in a decade the brightest minds couldn't figure out what simple electric parts could be hidden in a small tin can. This is not interesting, this is rather shocking. So I have to quote Sherlock Holmes: »When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.«

Therefore I'm starting to think the improbable: Could it be that all those free energy devices are point-blank fakes? Fakes implemented and orchestrated in the course of a century by superiors like governments, secret services, the military, Men in Black, Skull & Bones, etc. you name it. Beginning with Tesla's electric car and the Moray device, across magnet motors, the Steven Mark TPU, Hubbard, Gray, Don Smith, towards Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal, Rossi's cold fusion and so on, inclusive the Testatica machine. The goal is to make people believe such devices can work, so people start to make experiments and IF one finds a working setup (assuming there can be one at all), then THEY can take it for free, because THEY want it (as weapon) but don't have it yet. It is plainly impossible that in over ten years absolutely nobody is able to replicate a device (not even by chance) that consists of almost nothing, except a few basic electric parts hidden in a small round box, or a device that uses just an ordinary three-phase transformer to generate free energy. Tens of thousands of experiments done, but still nothing. Can't be. Something has to be terribly wrong here. Within ten years even such a complex thing like a mobile phone could be build from scratch.

All what we know about such devices is that, what we have seen in some blurry video demonstrations. Very few people saw those demonstrations with their own eyes. But can we be sure those people are not part of the hoax? This would change the picture dramatically. What are the odds, that not a single one of those observers approached the inventor afterwards and pushed him to reveal his secret? After the demonstration all those observers go home and quietly pay their energy bills? Nobody ever tried to steal the device? What are the odds, that in the course of a century not one single working free energy schematic leaked into the public domain? None of the already deceased inventors left a single note? Further, obviously nobody would present a free energy hoax device to the Ministry of energy; but would one be so stupid to present a WORKING free energy device to the Ministry of energy? What for? Except of course, it is a hoax nevertheless and the Ministry would be part of that hoax.

And does this also explain cosmoLV's strange behavior and his mystified talking? Did he gave tips how such a device MIGHT work, hoping someone in the forum can get it somehow to work, not having an idea how it really could work? Here are some very strange statements coming from cosmoLV:

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg254306/#msg254306) on August 27, 2010, 05:17 AM: »Hutchinson effect is very close to Kapanadze device by some properties, but i don't have permission to go in deep details.«

Permission? By whom? Who cares about a permission? What might happen to you when you go into deep details without a permission?

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg254405/#msg254405) on August 28, 2010, 01:09 AM: »don't talk and waste time and do some experiments... and think, why nobody can replicate Tariel's device? There is something wrong, isn't?«

Something wrong with Tariel's device? What might that be?

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg270632/#msg270632) on January 12, 2011, 08:07 AM: »we are starting to give technology - if everything going like now, then on start of summer - this technology start to come public.«

And then? What happened? Is there in reality no such technology that can come public yet?

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg312806/#msg312806) on February 14, 2012, 07:18 PM: »I Have friends in military and in Government - and i can say to you that no US army and any other have such technology to stop this! What they have? Microwave weapons, Ultrasound and e.t.c. this is nothing... They don't have such magnetic field technology and never had.«

But of course the Government and the US army are absolutely unable to get it somehow (by force or by offering money) from Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal, etc.?

»Yes they want such a technology, that way there is free speech, because, this maybe a secret info, but all social media, youtube and free energy forums all about - to bring involved us to help in not straight way. More people involved to this, more possibilities to crack this technology up!«

And that means what? Does it mean, no such free energy device exists yet and therefore THEY use the fora in order to find someone that could invent it (crack it up) eventually?

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg312816/#msg312816) on February 14, 2012, 08:56 PM: »P.S. i work in TV and i know how these conspiracy theories and other shit are made! the same Rosville and other theatrical crap - to make peoples fool to let them think what they want! They can tell you everything and you will believe if this even not exist.«

Could that imply, we should consider the Kapanadze device and all other such devices also just as theatrical crap? Is each and every device presentation a stage production to stimulate people into research? Is that the secret of free energy?

Don't know, but hopefully one could soon prove those alternative facts completely wrong. Would be a nice move. And someone now should yell, YES, I have it, it's working!!! Surely Area 51 will appreciate that a lot.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 26, 2018, 12:56:37 PM
There is a pattern
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 26, 2018, 01:15:55 PM
The same. F - 2XF
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 26, 2018, 01:36:23 PM
50Hz - 100Hz Voltage and current wave-forms

I wonder if High voltage applies to 50Hz and not to 100Hz.
But in any case with the right shifting we can bring 100Hz HV to coincide with 50Hz High current.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on January 26, 2018, 02:37:11 PM
The same. F - 2XF
Hi don't want be a kill joy here but can i make a suggestion with regards to the latest circuit here as from
what i can remember  from my own much earlier experiments DC and AC don't mix and nor do out of phase and
voltage variations, I used a 100W incandescent bulb or 159Watt spotlight, it spent most of the time very brightly light.  ;D

If you rectify mains you only get half amplitude if Full Wave or Half Wave as it blocks or inverts the other half Wave
unless you add a large capacitor in series into the circuit.

But then you need to some how add CURRENT lots of it.
Perhaps with the resistive shorted turn in the circuit.

Just a thought  :D ::) ::)

Good luck
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: leo48 on January 27, 2018, 05:15:08 PM
I found this post in another forum, and it's compatible with the speech we're doing here ... 8)

BTG Vladimir and Chip.  # 89734 (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=it&rurl=translate.google.it&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=http://realstrannik.com/forum/spaceon/1237-btg-vladimira-i-chipa&usg=ALkJrhg4fk5dItHsltwQmaXIPwGrZRMILA#89734)   The principle of operation of the Kapanadze installation is unraveled and consists in the following.  You need to get a magnetic wave from the transformer.  Remember Tesla's story about the switch at turning on and the shutdown was killing people.  This is not OEDS !!!  It was a magnetic wave.  You need to simulate the process.  We take the lowering trans 220 to 15 or 20 volts, to the secondary winding of the trance we put in parallel a transistor key, single-cycle or two-stroke, taking into account that there is an alternating voltage of 15-20 volts, we put either a bridge of diodes or a collector circuit of the transistor diode and a limiting resistor somewhere 6 ohms.  We control the key to the base via an optocoupler or a separating transformer.  Directly with 2 windings through the conder on the LC, the contour and the bifilar are inductively coupled to the circuit.  With a bifa, take a load on one side of it, and on the other hand apply any voltage, for example 220 volts, to the movement of charges of a contour loosened by the torsion field of the LC circuit into a bifilar one.  The inductance of the windings of the bifa is different and refers to a coefficient of 1.5 - 1.7.  For example, 2 mg and 3 mgn = 1.5 is important. The key operates at the frequency of the LC circuit. That's the whole secret of Kapanadze.  First get a magnetic wave, and then connect through the condor LC resonator.
  You make a key on the bipolar transistors and from the generator to the non-555 with frequency and porosity adjustment, achieve the effect.  Frequency from 100 to 500 kHz and will be happy If you get the effect then you will turn off the computer and other electronics.  Make the indicator as for the reels of the target and it will light up.  Watch the video generator BTG from Chip.  I wish you success.  This is not OEDS is radiant energy and you will understand its power and the costs of its creation a few watts, but get kilowatts.
  Ionization is needed to maintain the torsion field in the LC resonator, ionization around the coils is needed. I explain how the magnetic wave works.  After the condors you need to put a diode or bridge and apply a resonator to the LC.  A scalar magnetic field is formed in the LC resonator.  This field unwinds and untwists the electrons in the bifilar, this current standing in place.  It remains to apply the potential difference and the current of the untwisted electrons will go through the load.  Consumption from the circuit is minimal, and the power will depend on the number of untwisted electrons.  You can load and the drawdown will not be enough for the electrons in the bifle. The focus is that the scalar field in the LC resonator does not affect the transformer and generates a large amount of energy at a low cost of just 50 watts, easily getting a kilowatt of 50 Hz hertz of 220 volts.  The key closer operates at the frequency of the LC resonator or vice versa.  After the key, it is impossible to put condors even of small capacity parallel to the key, there will be a fault. To proceed with the process, more ionization or high voltage, like Kapa, ​​is required to obtain more energy.  The whirlwind must be nourished.
  We need a trans reducing key that closes on the secondary in parallel and also includes a sequential oscillatory circuit in parallel with the secondary, and wind the bifilar on the coil and change it from one side and load it from the other side of the bif.  It's simple.  Read all of my posts carefully, and then another 10 years here we will fantasize.
  For everything to work out, the key should work on the frequency of the coil standing after the conders.  Tesla's energy - radiant can be shot directly through a diode or bridge to Akkum.  Even dead batteries charge for 20 minutes.  The engines of this energy do not spin.  It is very important to wind the biff correctly.  That is, wires of different lengths by inductance with a coefficient of 1.5 - 1.7.  For example, one wire is 2 lbs, and the second 2 is multiplied by 1.6. Equal to 3.2 hectares.  We shave in 2 w wires, and then one extend by 1.6 times.  It looks like a grenade.  The generator controlling the key must have a frequency and duty cycle adjustment.  You can work on the harmonic signal.  The gene is not 555 or another.  The key is a bipolar transistor with a decoupling from the base on a ferrite trance or optocoupler.  In the circuit of the transistor, turn on the diode.  Or the transistor wrench should be included in the diagonal of the rectifier bridge + -., Similar to the thyristor regulator
  Nothing needs to be done anymore.  The circuit works without any FAPCH, itself is synchronized.  Earth is not required, this is Kapa's withdrawal.  The main is to run the key.  It should be slightly open.  Here a snag is that the key is under an alternating voltage of 15 - 20 volts 50 Hz.  Otherwise, the focus will not work.  All this confuses even the specialists.  In this mode, there is a low-cost way to kill the killer.
  The key works with the frequency of the coil - the resonator standing after the conders.
  The frequency of the key is equal to the frequency of the resonator coil. It can be 100 - 500 kHz, this is enough.  Key bipolar transaction amper at 10 kt 803 805 And so on.
  The Biff has no resonance.  The length of the wire is from 5 meters to 15 meters.  The thicker the beef the greater the load.  The bif winds on the coil of the resonator from the outside or inside, naferrite is heated, and in the air it normally works.  I need to ionize and e high voltage, those type of cashier stick to the side or a spark like a Kapa directly on the coil.
  The bif has no inductance, since it is wound up inductively, but has a length and a cross-section of wires that determines the power of the installation.  Number of untwisted electrons.  Issued volume of bifilar.  The length of the bifa is from 5 m to 15 m, and the cross section is 2.5 - 4 squares.
  If you put an ammeter in one wire where the voltage is applied, then it will show a small current, and near the bulbs the ammeter will show a large load current, this is an increase due to the electrons of the bifilar. An increase in current occurs.  Two parts of the installation give independence of the magnetic fields from the transformer and it does not see the load, there will not be a drawdown.  Put the lamps of small or large power equally shining.  You can load while there are enough electrons in the beef.
  It is better to put the filter from a computer PSU.
  This is the correct scheme.  You just need to play with frequency and duty cycle and everything will turn out.
  Ingvar: take the scheme of the coach without condors and connect it to the power supply to the bridge key where + and -. The coil of the coach will be the resonator.  The key in the bridge should work with the frequency KACHERA !!!  A bifilar is placed near the coil of the caterpillar.
  Remember how to wind every shoulder of the bifa - this is very important.  I wrote about this above.  Observe the coefficient 1.6 for one of the shoulders by inductance.
  To get 5 kilowatts, there is enough spent power not more than 100 watts.  That's all .
 
Leo48
 
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 28, 2018, 03:40:46 AM
leo48: »and it's compatible with the speech we're doing here«

Yes, it is compatible with non-working setups. The secondary coil of a 50Hz step-down transformer is sorted at a rate of some hundred KHz. I can't see how this ever could generate Kapanadze's ground current of 22 amps, especially since there is no ground connection in that schematic. Besides, the secondary coil could also be shorted with some kind of a spark instead of a transistor. And what would be the result? Yes, a step down transformer with shorted secondary coil, like used in an arc welder perhaps. That's terrific. Someone could give it a try and make a self-runner.

Currently they are on page 22 and the schematic changes all few pages. Don't know if this is a sign that they have something really working.


ZERO

Here my latest setup; there is still no effect observable outside the box; maybe someone guessed that already.

The high voltage pulses are 2KV at 100Hz, waveform see oscilloscope screenshot below. The shorted coil gives me 2.5 amps and it ionizes the air a bit. It doesn't matter whether the high voltage is connected or not or how, it doesn't matter whether sparking is involved or not, it doesn't matter whether the ground is connected or not. There is not the slightest hint something unusual is going on here; absolutely nothing; like about ten thousand times before.

So what's the conclusion? If nothing works, the only conclusion can be, that those devices are all hoax. Not ordinary hoaxes by some individuals, but government hoaxes. No one presents a fake device to the Ministry of energy - except the Ministry itself is part of that hoax. Also it is totally impossible that Kapanadze has faked his devices in front of more than a dozen independent observers. Conclusion: If the Kapanadze devices are fake - and it looks strongly like that - all those observers are part of those fakes. I can see no reason for Kapanadze to carry out one fake after the other including all those spectators seen in the videos ... except someone told him to do so. The credibility of a free energy video is tied closely to the presence of independent observers appearing in that video. If there is any doubt coming up regarding their independence, then the whole credibility of that video goes down the drain.

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg260039/#msg260039) on October 07, 2010, 07:32 PM: »the question is: this is the end of physics? Nothing new to come and we need to live with that?«

Currently it looks that way. The end of physics and nothing new to come (for the time being). But at least, the Gordian knot regarding this free energy gibberish has now been cut (see introduction on page one). For example, Kapanadze: »This is all Tesla, I used his schematic.« First, there is no such schematic, second, if there were one, then no one could file a patent for a schematic belonging to Tesla. Of course no problem, when the government is behind all this.


THE CONTEST

But there is a silver lining on the horizon. Since it looks the government is behind all those fakes, because some of the government scientists are convinced, it should somehow be possible to make a free energy device, but they are not able (or willing) to do the research themselves, then maybe it could be somehow possible indeed. Although in that case it is rather counter-productive to look at non-working fake devices. We should rather think about Tesla's energy sink and Bearden's bird on the high voltage line and maybe also about Aspden's concentric capacitor and so on.

Apropos observers credibility: The simplest way to fake the Testatika machine's clean DC output (https://youtu.be/Xo3QcNi_Ugs?t=1m30s) (I've experimented half of 2017 with Wimshurst setups, but nothing) would be to hide some batteries in its wooden base, let's say 18 to 20 small batteries, each 12 volts (https://www.ebay.ch/itm/20x-Duracell-MN21-Batterie-12V-33mAh-23GA-LRV08-23A-V23GA-LR23A-20er-Set/400789995987), and then connect a 20W incandescent light bulb to it, so it looks on video like 1000 watts (https://rimstar.org/sdenergy/testa/misc/testa1kw.jpg) of brightness. All easily possible when no trustworthy observers are present. But what could be the reason for the Methernitha group to make such a hoax other than they were told to make it? Maybe I'm in error and the Testatika machine is a real free energy device, then why no one has ever tried to get hands on it? A working free energy device would be worth more than a ton of gold, but no one is interested. The conclusion of all this has to be, not mankind is not ready for free energy, but free energy is not ready yet to serve mankind.

So, as it appears, the governments free energy hoax is poised to collapse after a hundred years like a house of cards. Or shall we call this better governments free energy contest? The first one who presents a working free energy device wins the prize of being the one who will have successfully stopped all that free energy nonsense. Of course, there are also some forces in the background which are not interested in free energy, hence flooding the internet and the fora with a lot of rubbish. So, good luck, and don't get confused!


P.S.: I can't see any children in any of those free energy videos; guess why. Perhaps they could easily babble out a secret?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 28, 2018, 01:41:36 PM
Hi
Leo48 thanks for the post and the circuit. I see something in there that i like it a lot. A series LC and a high frequency at specific time. If this is not Tesla then what it is!!!

Nice picture of your setup Zeit. Keep it up. ;)   

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 28, 2018, 07:02:33 PM
So what's the conclusion? If nothing works, the only conclusion can be, that those devices are all hoax.

Hi Zeitmaschine. Nice clean test setup.

Your 'conclusion' above is really only just another assumption. You seem to think about
this free energy stuff in a very black or white kind of way. Either all the claims are valid or
all the claims are hoaxes or scams. This is not necessarily the case at all. :) There are
differences in the credibility level of different OU claims. They are not all the same. :)

For example, it has been pointed out here that there is a fair degree of reasonable evidence that
the Barbosa and Leal electron captor devices are not OU, and they have not demonstrated any
apparent OU effect in any sort of credible way using a battery and inverter in front of credible
witnesses. Kapanadze on the other hand has demonstrated apparent self runners up close in front
of quite a few independent witnesses under different circumstances over the years and so far no
one that I know of has stated that they saw any signs of tricks being used. That is not proof that his
devices are really OU, but Kapanadze's claims so far do seem to have a fair bit more credibility
than the former claims by people like Barbosa and Leal regarding their electron captor devices.
My suggestion would be to not look at things as so black and white, but evaluate and weigh all the
evidence for each individual claimant and consider which OU claims may have more credibility than
others. Just my own opinion. :) 

All the best...


Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 28, 2018, 08:25:46 PM
Yes, black and white. Because free energy can be only black or white. There is no such thing like a bit of free energy.

It was not me, who first suggested that the Barbosa and Leal device could be fake. But if it is fake, then it is a government fake. No way around that.

Someone would like to read one more conspiracy theory? Here it comes: The government orchestrates all those free energy fakes not because they have no free energy, so they want to inspire people to search for it, but they have already free energy and want to distract people away from it by presenting to them staged free energy videos, inclusive hoax patents and schematics, etc., which have nothing at all to do with the principle of work of a real free energy device. Of course they tell the actors in those videos still, this is for the motivation of researchers and therefore for the good of humanity and the end justifies the means.

But I'm rather inclined to say: they have nothing.

If we assume for a moment that Kapanadze knows indeed the secret of free energy, then someone can answer me that question: Why has no one ever tried to kidnap Kapanadze and get the secret by force? People were kidnaped already for things far less valuable than the schematic of a free energy device. The same question applies to other so-called »inventors«.

And now, as I can read in the other thread, the same BS like cosmoLV's »I will reveal the secret in summer 2011« and »I have no permission to go into details« is going on again. So what will happen on March 18? Nothing as usual? I'll bet on it.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 28, 2018, 08:44:08 PM
 ::) Sigh...

:)

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on January 28, 2018, 10:07:13 PM
So what of famous people through history I can think of three, one who actually won a Nobel prize for the
development of material effect.
Such as Gabriel Khone and also Aharonov, Boham for developing a Material effect
that violates the second law of thermodynamics (physics).

I'm sure you can all look up the people involved your self.

Allen
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on February 04, 2018, 01:00:24 PM
Jeg: »I wonder if High voltage applies to 50Hz and not to 100Hz.«

Any luck so far swapping the frequencies?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on February 04, 2018, 01:53:12 PM

Any luck so far swapping the frequencies?

Nothing my friend. There is still something missing. At least i have a board now with ten small transformers for hV which i can use it along with other experiments. But i still don't give up on this. I will post about this only if something hopeful will occur. ;)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on February 04, 2018, 02:30:11 PM
A board with ten small transformers for other high voltage experiments. That's an idea. But could also be, we need more than ten small transformers. Unfortunately, to the best of my knowledge, there are no small 50Hz high voltage transformers commercially available, except microwave oven transformers, but they are way to large for experimenting.


TESLA'S FIREBALL MACHINE

Could it be an idea, if we ignore the Barbosa-Leal patent (showing a kind of arc welder transformer) and instead we use a shorted coil step-up transformer, not a step-down one? To me that sounds more logical. The electrons attracted from ground are attracted by high voltage at 100Hz. Therefore, if we assume the energy of the electrons (negative charge) is in the high voltage, the 50Hz transformer should step it down, not up (seen towards the load). The question here is, will a shorted high voltage coil generate high voltage? I would rather tend to say no (schematic one), but with that kind of stuff all sorts of unforeseen things can happen. If the 50Hz high voltage coil is not shorted, then the setup generates 50Hz and 100Hz high voltage, phase-locked to each other; 50Hz is sinusoidal; 100Hz is pulsed. This is basically a setup like Tesla's two oscillator coils in synchronicity (https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/articles/making-ball-lightning-order) but at low frequency. One oscillator drives two frequencies. The two Tesla coils working in a frequency range of some KHz and thereby generating fireballs. So, could it be that low grid frequency can also generate something unusual? Both Tesla coils are connected to ground on their lower ends. The upper ends are connected together via a spark. Then should we perhaps connect also both high voltage transformers on one end to ground and on their other ends together? Actually that means connecting the secondary coils of two high voltage transformers in parallel, one runs at 50Hz and one at 100Hz, and both are also connected to ground, hence it is some kind of a short circuit anyway. Connecting the transformers in parallel could be done through a capacitor or - interestingly - through a spark gap as well. And then, at best, the setup will do nothing, at worst, it will burn up; or could there be a third option we are missing? However, we don't want to waste energy for the generation of useless fireballs, do we?

The 50Hz transformer works typically as step-up transformer (schematic two). But at zero-crossing of the 50Hz sinusoidal wave its secondary coil is biased by high voltage pulses of the 100Hz transformer, so it works at that point as a step-down transformer. Vice versa, the secondary coil of the 100Hz transformer is also biased by the 50Hz high voltage and therefore it could also work as step-down transformer. But since the 100Hz transformer is driven by a resonant circuit via a full wave rectifier, the step-down energy flux has nowhere to go but to charge up the resonant circuit. When the 50Hz and 100Hz wave (or pulse) is on its negative peak, there is no current in the closed circuit, means it should act like an open circuit. When the 50Hz wave is on its positive peak and the 100Hz wave (or pulse) is again on its negative peak, then there is a high current in the closed circuit. At zero crossing of the 50Hz wave the 100Hz wave (or pulse) is positive. So we have in that high voltage circuit either voltage positive or negative but no current, or current but no voltage. It oscillates from negative voltage to positive voltage to high current to positive voltage; negative-positive-current-positive-negative-positive-current-positive and so on. The high current should generate a strong magnetic field, maybe amplified by the previously attracted electrons. If one finds some suitable transformers for this, then it could really lead to a weird behavior of that setup. And, of course, this stays all in the scope of a wrong connected three-phase transformer. One high voltage at a higher frequency is imposed upon another at a lower frequency. Could it be that simple?


THE ETERNAL HOAX

One way or the other, it would be generally beneficial if we could get this to work. Because if we keep failing, then this means we are entitled to call Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa and Leal, Mark, Gray, Smith, Moray, Methernitha (even Tesla?) fakers and hoaxer on the behalf of the government. So it would be very pleasant for all sides if we could avoid this problem somehow (by success). It is simply not possible that after decades there is not one successful replication of any of those claims if they are real. Also it would be strange, at least, if these are hoaxes and they would have contrived all these hoaxes independently on their own accord. I cannot see any reason, why one should go through the length of such costly fakery without having a solid cause, namely an order from someone above to do it in such a coordinated manner.

All drawings in this thread marked as »KAPANADZE DEVICE« show at least ninety-nine percent of the Kapanadze and Stepanov diagram according to all available information. Now, either we can assume that the one percent missing is that miracle one percent that makes the device work, or, alternatively, there is no such miracle one percent and therefore this is all just a big hoax. What ever you prefer to believe.

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on February 04, 2018, 02:53:17 PM
Unfortunately, to the best of my knowledge, there are no small 50Hz high voltage transformers commercially available, except microwave oven transformers, but they are way to large for experimenting.

I found some good HV neon lamp transformers which can give up to 8KV at 50 Hz. But a very dangerous toy if you don't treat it right...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on February 04, 2018, 03:07:47 PM
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Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on February 04, 2018, 03:58:45 PM
Many modern neon sign "transformers" are actually switch-mode power supplies and thus are unsuitable for Tesla-type experimentation.

It is easy, however, to build high voltage systems using simple ZVS drivers and old CRT TV flyback transformers. These will not be operating at 50-60 Hz though; they use low voltage DC input and oscillate at the resonant frequency of the flyback secondary for the greatest output (generally in the 20-40 kHz range).  If you really need HV output at 50 Hz there are ways of converting the flyback transformer's output down to that low frequency.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on February 04, 2018, 04:05:37 PM
 
Quote
Ingvar: take the scheme of the coach without condors and connect it to the power supply to the bridge key where + and -. The coil of the coach will be the resonator.  The key in the bridge should work with the frequency KACHERA !!!  A bifilar is placed near the coil of the caterpillar.

Got that? Simple.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Fernandez on February 04, 2018, 10:49:04 PM
THE ETERNAL HOAX

One way or the other, it would be generally beneficial if we could get this to work. Because if we keep failing, then this means we are entitled to call Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa and Leal, Mark, Gray, Smith, Moray, Methernitha (even Tesla?) fakers and hoaxer on the behalf of the government.

Your not entitled to call anyone anything. All of you are guilty of applying traditional thinking to a device that doesn't work in traditional ways.

So it would be very pleasant for all sides if we could avoid this problem somehow (by success). It is simply not possible that after decades there is not one successful replication of any of those claims if they are real. Also it would be strange, at least, if these are hoaxes and they would have contrived all these hoaxes independently on their own accord. I cannot see any reason, why one should go through the length of such costly fakery without having a solid cause, namely an order from someone above to do it in such a coordinated manner.

Ok, look stop thinking about PRIMARY and SECONDARY. It just doesn't work like that. Forget the secondary its just a coil to remove energy THAT'S ALL. Also forget funky coil winding like bifiler...etc.
You need to build a resonator, start with iron, cut a tire iron into a straight piece, using a C-Clamp will close the magnetic circuit. Thats cheap and easy. There are two primary coils, A/C input or pulsed will be ok. Also its 1/2 wave each coil (PRIMARY) Get that iron moving, can you get it to vibrate real fast? or can you get the energy to chase its tail?  How hot can you get it with low power?

Of course a secondary coil is used to remove energy BUT you need to collect it first so forget the secondary and build a resonator.
Good Luck.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on February 05, 2018, 03:30:08 AM
Fernandez: »Your not entitled to call anyone anything.«

Sure. But Kapanadze and others are entitled to give us (and the whole world) the run-around? Think about that.

Fernandez: »Of course a secondary coil is used to remove energy BUT you need to collect it first so forget the secondary and build a resonator.«

Like this? Does the aquarium wiring of the three-phase transformer look familiar when compared with the second schematic above? Drawing from page 873 (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg332385/#msg332385).

If both 0.5 Ohm coils are low voltage then the 88 and 80 Ohm coils are high voltage connected in parallel and one side to ground. The 78 Ohm coil (third transformer) is not needed, thus not connected. Is one 0.5 Ohm coil connected to the frequency doubler circuit and the other 0.5 Ohm coil to the load? Since that device is not connected to grid or inverter, the frequency is unknown. It could be 200 and 400Hz instead of 50 and 100Hz. So, is this all hidden in plain view? Are we closer now than ever and we can end that nonsense game soon?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on February 05, 2018, 10:52:56 AM
There will always be nagging doubts about the authenticity of the Aqua device with the shot below showing the silver braided ground wire connected (under insulation) to a copper braided wire and a second yellowish coloured wire. The silver braid is not a solid conventional braided earth strap, its a hollow but flattened tubular braid.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on February 05, 2018, 05:38:30 PM
There will always be nagging doubts about the authenticity of the Aqua device with the shot below showing the silver braided ground wire connected (under insulation) to a copper braided wire and a second yellowish coloured wire. The silver braid is not a solid conventional braided earth strap, its a hollow but flattened tubular braid.
Looks a right birds nest! haven't you fathomed out how it works yet ? he has don it like that so any viewer cant get any where with it and if any one did  and you paid
for it you would never get your investment back. a bit of a white elephant.

The Daily device must work different totally to that idea with the way its shown, if it works at all.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on February 05, 2018, 06:22:19 PM

Looks a right birds nest! haven't you fathomed out how it works yet ?

I have a good idea how it works but does not work as claimed.  ;)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: ramset on February 05, 2018, 07:27:54 PM
Fernandez quote

 All of you are guilty of applying traditional thinking to a device that doesn't work in traditional ways.
------------
Ok, look stop thinking about PRIMARY and SECONDARY. It just doesn't work like that. Forget the secondary its just a coil to remove energy THAT'S ALL. Also forget funky coil winding like bifiler...etc.
You need to build a resonator, start with iron, cut a tire iron into a straight piece, using a C-Clamp will close the magnetic circuit. Thats cheap and easy. There are two primary coils, A/C input or pulsed will be ok. Also its 1/2 wave each coil (PRIMARY) Get that iron moving, can you get it to vibrate real fast? or can you get the energy to chase its tail? How hot can you get it with low power?


Of course a secondary coil is used to remove energy BUT you need to collect it first so forget the secondary and build a resonator.
Good Luck.
end quote

Sir
this sounds a lot like a path member Verpies had  suggested.

Not meaning to distract here
could you draw a simple block schematic for this suggestion [C clamp placement, primary orientation etc etc ]
seems too easy to not try !!

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Sergh on February 05, 2018, 07:44:27 PM
Fernandez: »Your not entitled to call anyone anything.«

Sure. But Kapanadze and others are entitled to give us (and the whole world) the run-around? Think about that.

Fernandez: »Of course a secondary coil is used to remove energy BUT you need to collect it first so forget the secondary and build a resonator.«

Like this? Does the aquarium wiring of the three-phase transformer look familiar when compared with the second schematic above? Drawing from page 873 (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg332385/#msg332385).

If both 0.5 Ohm coils are low voltage then the 88 and 80 Ohm coils are high voltage connected in parallel and one side to ground. The 78 Ohm coil (third transformer) is not needed, thus not connected. Is one 0.5 Ohm coil connected to the frequency doubler circuit and the other 0.5 Ohm coil to the load? Since that device is not connected to grid or inverter, the frequency is unknown. It could be 200 and 400Hz instead of 50 and 100Hz. So, is this all hidden in plain view? Are we closer now than ever and we can end that nonsense game soon?

This is a small 3-phase transformer from the Soviet clone IBM-360  MainFrames (  EC-EVM )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ES_EVM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ES_EVM)

Its output power is about 200 watts.
After dismantling and recycling in the late 90's a lot of these transformers ended up on landfills and flea markets.
They are not suitable for use in the household.

Transistor TESLA in the background from the factory "Tesla"  in the former Czechoslovakia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_(Czechoslovak_company) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_(Czechoslovak_company))
It has nothing to do with Elon Musk.
Ordinary transistors from flea markets, feature - relatively high-frequency, but not very high:

KU601    NPN,     50V    3A    20..73    10W    TO-3
KU602    NPN,    80V    3A    20..73    10W    TO-3
KU605    NPN,     80V    10A    10..50    50W    TO-3
KU606    NPN,     60V    8A    10..50    50W    TO-3
KU607    NPN,     80V    10A    40    70W    TO-3
KU608    NPN,     80V    10A    >10    70W    TO-3
KU611    NPN,     60V    3A    20..90    10W    TO-66/1
KU612    NPN,     80V    3A    20..90    10W    TO-66/1 (https://vikiwat.com/userfiles/productimages/5614/tranzistor_ku607_npn_210v_10a_70w_9mhz_0.jpg)

Sample (http://s1.gallery.aystatic.by/650/1/323/5019/5019323001_0.jpg)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on February 05, 2018, 10:24:04 PM

Sir
this sounds a lot like a path member Verpies had  suggested.

Not meaning to distract here
could you draw a simple block schematic for this suggestion [C clamp placement, primary orientation etc etc ]
seems too easy to not try !!

respectfully
Chet K
Hi Chet :)
Is it possible for a link to Verpies suggestion? Out of Fernandez description looks like Leedskalnin PMH?

Regards
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: ramset on February 05, 2018, 11:29:05 PM
Jeg
 Verpies and others feel that NMR Could be a path to this result [harvesting from the reaction]
It is this "resonator"  {NMR} which I believe Fernandez refers too..... two "half wave" coils [NMR frequency of iron ??]

Your leedskalin PMH architecture does seem how it would be built ?
the "Chasing" comment...

I would love a block diagram/schem to be certain ?

and it also has a TPU ring to it if this is true [circular drive /PMH ??

I like the concept of looking for heat at lower than normal inputs... but would appreciate a bit more direction and feedback.....
as I am sure many builders here would too.

bench time is a very precious commodity .

respectfully
Chet K
PS
Verpies did post many charts for NMR frequencies ...they are available in web searches.

however I would like to check against Verpies Charts [He's a schmart guy







Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on February 06, 2018, 09:39:27 AM
Jeg
 Verpies and others feel that NMR Could be a path to this result [harvesting from the reaction]
It is this "resonator"  {NMR} which I believe Fernandez refers too..... two "half wave" coils [NMR frequency of iron ??]


Chet
For sure NMR is very interesting, i just have the feeling that Fernadez spoke about mechanical vibrations. Two coils as a primary, each coil conducts for half of a cycle and the result might be a vibration of the free part of the iron. Higher frequencies than what iron can follow for sure will heat the iron into high degrees even with low power. I hope Fernadez will clarify a little more about his proposal.

Regards 
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: ramset on February 06, 2018, 02:50:44 PM
Jeg
yes it would seem a bit of clarity would be very useful

 here a comment from the AVEC TPU document

Quote
If you pulse iron wire at iron's NMR you'll get a minor resonance effect even if the coil is not tuned to that frequency. Steven Mark was utilizing this effect along with the timing delay action of iron wire to generate a rotating magnetic field of the correct frequency.
end quote

respectfully
Chet
EDIT
PS member Grumpy [reborn as Sigma16 after some moderation episode [he is very passionate about this [and I don't think Sigma16 survives unmoderated today   :o]
started a topic here on the AVEC [with links]

http://overunity.com/9749/aether-vortex-energy-converter-avec-device-full-disclosure/#.Wnm-YbmWzoY
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on February 06, 2018, 06:59:34 PM
here a comment from the AVEC TPU document

Quote
If you pulse iron wire at iron's NMR you'll get a minor resonance effect even if the coil is not tuned to that frequency. Steven Mark was utilizing this effect along with the timing delay action of iron wire to generate a rotating magnetic field of the correct frequency.
end quote


Nice. Normally the frequency is dependent of the perpendicular magnetic field's value. I hope that we can find some more info on this. 
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on February 06, 2018, 08:00:02 PM
SOME CONSIDERATIONS

First: Any idea, how Tesla's fireball machine can generate nuclear magnetic resonance since it has no iron core and how nuclear magnetic resonance could be accountable for a ground current? In my understanding nuclear magnetic resonance wouldn't need a ground connection at all.

I would rather suggest, the Kapanadze, Stepanov and Barbosa-Leal devices are just open electric systems. Such a system simply defeats Lenz's law (https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/electromagnetism/electromagnetic-induction.html) and Ohm's law (https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/dccircuits/dcp_2.html) by connecting to the ambient medium as a source of energy.

Second: What would happen if we replace the 100Hz transformer by a switch also working at synchronized 100Hz? We have an open high voltage secondary coil working at 50Hz that attracts electrons from ground via a ground connection on one end and then we short it when the sine wave is on its peak. Could it be, there is no real need for a second transformer working at 100Hz? Just a fast bipolar switch working at 100Hz? Of course the problem here would be to find a switch that can withstand a few kilovolts. On the other hand, this could be the reason why almost no hobbyist can discover that effect by chance. Or should the switch better work at the 50Hz grid frequency? Anyway, I don't think a simple spark gap as switch will do it in that case; it's just too unsteady and too unreliable. But what, if the primary coil of the 100Hz high voltage transformer would not be connected to a frequency doubler circuit, but to a switch that shorts its primary coil synchronized to the grid frequency? So the periodically shorting of the high voltage coil is made through that transformer and therefore a switch for low voltage would be sufficient. There are two transformers and their secondary high voltage coils are connected in parallel and to ground. One transformer generates high voltage (step-up) from 50Hz grid, the second transformer steps the high voltage down again to low voltage. Now, if we short that low voltage coil of the second transformer, then the high voltage is also shorted. Strictly speaking, the second transformer works like a magnetic amplifier.

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg259658/#msg259658) on October 04, 2010, 03:48 PM:

»P.S.

http://sparkbangbuzz.com/mag-amp/mag-amp.htm

try combine it together«

Tesla: (http://aetherwizard.com/tesla/Articles/ProblemOfIncreasingHumanEnergy.pdf) »Under these assumptions the energy would flow through the path O, as indicated by the arrow, and might then be converted on its passage into some other form of energy.«

Means, the energy - the negatively charged electrons from ground - would flow into the high voltage coil which works as an energy sink, then, by shorting that coil, the energy might be converted into an other form of energy, namely a strong magnetic field.

Just pondering ...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Sergh on February 06, 2018, 08:24:32 PM

About NMR:
There are many ready-made devices, containing chemical compounds of iron,  that use various effects based on NMR.
For example:


Quote
Yttrium iron garnet spheres (YIG spheres) serve as magnetically tunable filters and resonators for microwave frequencies.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YIG_sphere (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YIG_sphere)


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An isolator is a two-port device that transmits microwave or radio frequency power in one direction only. It is used to shield equipment on its input side, from the effects of conditions on its output side; for example, to prevent a microwave source being detuned by a mismatched load.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolator_(microwave) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolator_(microwave))


As far as I know, no one noticed any presence of overunity in these devices...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: leo48 on February 07, 2018, 11:17:43 AM
Maybe there's something new

register.epo.org/ipfwretrieve?apn=IB.2013050771.W&lng=en (https://register.epo.org/ipfwretrieve?apn=IB.2013050771.W&lng=en)

Leo48
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Fernandez on February 10, 2018, 06:19:32 AM
                                                ****************   February 9th 2018   ****************




I would rather suggest, the Kapanadze, Stepanov and Barbosa-Leal devices are just open electric systems. Such a system simply defeats Lenz's law (https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/electromagnetism/electromagnetic-induction.html) and Ohm's law (https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/dccircuits/dcp_2.html) by connecting to the ambient medium as a source of energy.

User Zeitmaschine, I am going to give you credit, you put a lot of effort into your posts (even though you are wrong) BUT I want to put you and some others in this world on the right track and moving in the right direction.




Here is the truth, take it or bury it
I will keep this short and drama free, the words Free Energy, Overunity, and Zero Point Energy has corrupted your thoughts because the device is............ so easy you will laugh

For starters your statement is incorrect Lenz's Law is actually a blessing, you need to wrap your head around that first. Let's review Lenz quickly

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An induced electromotive force always gives rise to a current whose magnetic field opposes the change in original magnetic flux.

All of you globally have missed the key word in that statement, you are too quick to denounce Lenz's Law as the culprit, the destroyer of energy. However, if I highlight just one word in that statement we open up a new method of utilizing Lenz's Law.

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An induced electromotive force always gives rise to a current whose magnetic field opposes the change in original magnetic flux.

So the beauty is, if I create a magnetic field in a coil with some current NATURE rewards me with a duplicate magnetic field that opposes mine. Already I got something for almost nothing. (BTW... that's my first Primary coil usage, to create a Lenz induced field)

So I now have a Primary magnetic field that gave rise to an induced magnetic field as stated by Lenz. Pay close attention here, this is important! Now take another coil (call it Primary 2) and feed your Lenz induced magnetic field so you complement its growth. So in other words your North pole of Primary 2 faces the South pole of Lenz field (or Vice Versa). Because Lenz is only present in change of original magnetic flux. Are you starting to see? Lenz has no interest in my second Primary because Primary 1 is the parent of Lenz induced field. You really need to appreciate how powerful that statement is. Ignore what has been written in any other thread that talks about these devices, lots of people using big words and way to complex algorithms to build something a child can assemble. 

So do you now understand why Barbosa and Leal explain in their patent the pole of the induced complements the primary pole? Do you now understand why that guy Tariel says........ it's so easy you will laugh, see why Clemente Figuera said "this is like the egg of Columbus". Because it really is that silly and simple, you simply feed the induced magnetic field with another magnetic field. There is no Lenz that opposes Primary 2, Primary 2 doesn't create an induced field (if you time it right) it ADDS to what has already been induced from P1. The result is a strong Rectified Magnetic field. That is your resonator, not so glamorous now that you know how everyone including Steve Mark pull this off. I apologies if you where looking for something more complex or other worldly. Unfortunately many of you will still be looking for a more complex solution because your mind will never accept such a simple solution to a problem that had you perplexed for years.

That is the theory behind the how it works some of you are smart enough to figure out the build details, but I will get you started. You are going to wind you primary's like a Poly-Phase motor (Yep a Tesla invention) take special note that a capacitor is used to delay a phase (this is super cheap and EZ). These devices use impulses and you need to split the wave in half so diodes are used. So one coil is at its magnetic max while the other is not, also you need to split the wave between coils, so half wave per primary but that is why you are using diodes (or tubes if your that type of guy Steve). Timing is very critical between the coils, remember you are building a resonator and nothing more.

Like I said before, take some iron from a tire jack and cut the ends off. Get a C-clamp to close the ends and you have a simple core that allows for different coils. To extract you need a secondary but that is simple, wrap it around your low budget iron core, use a thick or thin secondary.

So its up to you and figure out if the primary's should be CW or CCW, shouldn't take that long. BTW... bifiler coil doesn't mean crap.  The beauty of this device is different inputs (voltage/frequency) changes the output and output varies based on type of coil. Start simple, low voltage and don't kill yourself. You have more in this post then you ever wanted.

One more thing, Tesla patent, 413,353 not glamorous and not your FE but excellent facts and my personal opinion is as close as it gets for Tesla. 


Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on February 10, 2018, 01:30:14 PM
Fernandez: »Because it really is that silly and simple, you simply feed the induced magnetic field with another magnetic field.«

Then why is it, that after years and decades no one has presented yet a successful replication of any of those devices? If you know to hundred percent sure how it works, then where can we see your replication? Why write verbosely how it works (or how it might work) instead of showing a simple schematic? You know, a picture is worth a thousand words.


Fernandez: »Like I said before, take some iron from a tire jack and cut the ends off. Get a C-clamp to close the ends and you have a simple core that allows for different coils.«

What's wrong with my approach of connecting a bank of small step-down transformers together, in order to use that construction as a single step-up transformer? Is it perhaps necessary to have a (high voltage) transformer comprising a set of three coils for some reason? Would be odd, because there are only two frequencies in use.


Fernandez: »you are too quick to denounce Lenz's Law as the culprit, the destroyer of energy«

I never said that. Lenz's law just indicates the absence of additional energy. It does not destroy energy. If the solution is to simply feed an induced magnetic field with another magnetic field in order to get a surplus of energy, then where is that free energy coming from? Does it come directly from the magnetic field? Or is the magnetic field only an aid to collect that energy? Why does Kapanadze need a ground connection? Where are the 22 amps of ground current coming from? Is the magnetic field responsible for that ground current, or the ground current for the magnetic field?


Fernandez: »User Zeitmaschine, I am going to give you credit, you put a lot of effort into your posts (even though you are wrong)«

Maybe other users should likewise put a lot (more) of effort into their posts; I continuously have the bizarre feeling that almost no one here is really interested in doing straight forward experiments. At least there are hardly some reports of experiments related to my suggestions  (or counter-suggestions), neither with positive nor with negative results. This could easily give the impression that the majority of writers here are actually not overenthusiastic about having eventually a working free energy device in their hands.

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on February 10, 2018, 02:45:02 PM
Zeitmaschine


Please. Read again what Fernandez wrote. He is 100% correct.
No generator from Pixii till today EVER produced electric energy from burning fossil fuels ! This is the BIG FAT LIE - probably then biggest in the history of mankind. If you watch how generator works - it is exactly that - an induced magnetic field adding to the original weak field in positive feedback loop - that why the cogging effect is required in ordinary generators. Energy is magnetic field , magnetic field is energy - steady state flow in closed loop - that's our problem. Figuera , Hubbard, Barbosa&Leal - they found a way to create such positive feedback loop without Lenz law acting mechanically.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on February 10, 2018, 03:01:55 PM

Maybe other users should likewise put a lot (more) of effort into their posts; I continuously have the bizarre feeling that almost no one here is really interested in doing straight forward experiments. At least there are hardly some reports of experiments related to my suggestions  (or counter-suggestions), neither with positive nor with negative results. This could easily give the impression that the majority of writers here are actually not overenthusiastic about having eventually a working free energy device in their hands.

Hi Zeit,

Motivation to experiment is not helped by those writers who that claim they have the secret without showing a shred of evidence. A comment along the lines that - Uncle Lenz provides free energy - is simply unfounded and wishful thinking unless supported by more than just personal belief.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on February 10, 2018, 04:40:19 PM
forest: »Please. Read again what Fernandez wrote. He is 100% correct.«

Then where is his working replication? Where is his schematic? Just waited for someone who is 100% correct and can therefore replicate the Kapanadze device (and others). What's still the problem here?


Hoppy: »A comment along the lines that - Uncle Lenz provides free energy - is simply unfounded and wishful thinking«

No, it's the other way round: Lenz's law does not apply to an overunity transformer. Overunity defeats Lenz's law, it is not created by it.

The one here claim to exactly know how all this works, but they are unable to provide anything solid. The other claim to exactly know how it NOT works, but they are also unable to provide anything solid. And so the chitchat goes on and on.

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on February 10, 2018, 04:57:10 PM

No, it's the other way round: Lenz's law does not apply to an overunity transformer. Overunity defeats Lenz's law, it is not created by it.

The one here claim to exactly know how all this works, but they are unable to provide anything solid. The other claim to exactly know how it NOT works, but they are also unable to provide anything solid. And so the chitchat goes on and on.

Does a demonstratable overunity transformer exist to discount the action of Lenz's law?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: apecore on February 10, 2018, 05:30:06 PM

 And so the chitchat goes on and on.


Zeit,

Your damm right.
Problem is the theoretical guys think to much in theoretical physics and the practical guys "mostly" don t know how to implement the "new"ideas.

Should be productive if these two sides could team_up,..  due the large amount of information which is gathered...(must say in a very constructive and ordenairy way by you)

So can we do some simple definable tests to get out of this chitchat



greetings

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on February 10, 2018, 05:31:09 PM

Zeitmaschine
You posted interesting circuit schematic in one of your posts.Instead of arguing please modify it into the most simple circuit which can take ordinary AC current and convert into two currents with phase shift , two fully rectified currents. Imho there is the chance it will match Kapanadze device from 2004 year video.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Void on February 10, 2018, 08:00:22 PM
I officially give up on trying to have 'reasonable' discussions in these forums.  ;D

No matter how carefully a person might point out facts and evidence, or a clear lack of evidence
as the case may be, many people in these forums just *believe* what they want to believe regardless
of conflicting facts and evidence, or regardless of a lack of any real evidence to back up what they are saying. :)
I am talking about people on both sides of the 'belief fence' here.

There seems little chance of someone ever getting even close to the truth when a person is blinded by
presumptions and beliefs, and when they are unable to even tell the difference between their beliefs and
presumptions and things which are actually supportable with real world evidence and facts. If someone does point
out actual facts and evidence, or points out a lack of reasonable evidence supporting someone's claims, you are
often viewed as 'being very negative', regardless of how carefully and politely you point things out. When I look
around me and see everything that is going on in this world right now, I can only conclude that the vast majority of people
in this world are just not interested in facts and reality, and actually often become quite upset and angry if other
people point out how their beliefs or point of view is at odds with facts and reality.

It is of course completely reasonable to ask someone who is claiming to know how to produce a COP > 1
to show a clear demonstration of this COP > 1; but, things being what they are in this world, it would be very
foolish to hold your breath waiting for said person to actually back up their claims here with some sort of reasonable
and clear demonstration. It would in fact be a very rare event indeed if someone were to actually back up
claims here of a COP > 1 setup with a clear and proper demonstration, even though in the very least such a demonstration
should be a given requirement for making such a claim in a forum like this, given all the false and mistaken claims
about 'OU' people keep making in these forums and on Youtube etc., on a regular basis.
Good luck guys. :)

All the best...


Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on February 10, 2018, 08:43:47 PM
Right Void, not in the world filled with money and greed. Such presentation should be back up with a huge interest to avoid "unauthorized replication"   :P
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Hoppy on February 10, 2018, 10:40:30 PM
....I can only conclude that the vast majority of people
in this world are just not interested in facts and reality, and actually often become quite upset and angry if other
people point out how their beliefs or point of view is at odds with facts and reality.


That's the crux of the problem Void! We unfortunately now live in a world where truth has become illusive by design in order for the most powerful in societies to exert control over masses. The fight for truth becomes so difficult that most of us are forced into living in a bubble of distorted reality engendering false beliefs.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on February 10, 2018, 11:52:23 PM
Feedback I asked if any one knows the meaning of the abbreviation COP, no one replayed so why bother ??
What is coefficient of performance (COP)? definition and meaning ...
www.businessdictionary.com/definition/coefficient-of-performance-COP.html

Ratio of work or useful output to the amount of work or energy input, used generally as a measure of the energy-efficiency of air conditioners, space heaters and other cooling and heating devices. ... Higher the COP, higher the efficiency of the equipment.

allen
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on February 11, 2018, 12:42:28 PM
I believe that Fernandez discovered something interesting but the explanation has a misconception. When P2 gets involved by feeding it with current from a source then P2 becomes an "original" flux changer. So the output coil "Sec"will also oppose to P2 change and the two magnetic fields (Sec, P2) will not be added as it was proposed. But this doesn't change the fact that the output will be a dc signal as he said. Does this rectified magnetic field is the answer? Does this effect opens the door to OU if in resonance? I don't know, but that is the meaning of experimentation. :)

ps. By the way Accula has already published an oscilator of this kind. Three or four mosfets at the primary side, dc across the output.





 
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: tinman on February 11, 2018, 01:35:52 PM
I officially give up on trying to have 'reasonable' discussions in these forums.  ;D

No matter how carefully a person might point out facts and evidence, or a clear lack of evidence
as the case may be, many people in these forums just *believe* what they want to believe regardless
of conflicting facts and evidence, or regardless of a lack of any real evidence to back up what they are saying. :)
I am talking about people on both sides of the 'belief fence' here.

There seems little chance of someone ever getting even close to the truth when a person is blinded by
presumptions and beliefs, and when they are unable to even tell the difference between their beliefs and
presumptions and things which are actually supportable with real world evidence and facts. If someone does point
out actual facts and evidence, or points out a lack of reasonable evidence supporting someone's claims, you are
often viewed as 'being very negative', regardless of how carefully and politely you point things out. When I look
around me and see everything that is going on in this world right now, I can only conclude that the vast majority of people
in this world are just not interested in facts and reality, and actually often become quite upset and angry if other
people point out how their beliefs or point of view is at odds with facts and reality.

It is of course completely reasonable to ask someone who is claiming to know how to produce a COP > 1
to show a clear demonstration of this COP > 1; but, things being what they are in this world, it would be very
foolish to hold your breath waiting for said person to actually back up their claims here with some sort of reasonable
and clear demonstration. It would in fact be a very rare event indeed if someone were to actually back up
claims here of a COP > 1 setup with a clear and proper demonstration, even though in the very least such a demonstration
should be a given requirement for making such a claim in a forum like this, given all the false and mistaken claims
about 'OU' people keep making in these forums and on Youtube etc., on a regular basis.
Good luck guys. :)

All the best...

Couldn't agree more Void 

As you may have noticed,i have been absent from the forums for quite some time now.

I am only here now because Chet pointed out a post via email,and so i came to have a look.

I see most are still lost when it comes to understanding induced EMF and currents,and what the outcome-or bi-products of either are.

So many still believe that the magnetic field is the master,when in fact it is a hindrance-->a bi-product of the flow of current through a conductor.

Only when people understand that it is the electric field of a primary coil that induces an EMF across a secondary coil,will advances be made.


Brad
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on February 11, 2018, 02:39:16 PM

Couldn't agree more Void 

As you may have noticed,i have been absent from the forums for quite some time now.

I am only here now because Chet pointed out a post via email,and so i came to have a look.

I see most are still lost when it comes to understanding induced EMF and currents,and what the outcome-or bi-products of either are.

So many still believe that the magnetic field is the master,when in fact it is a hindrance-->a bi-product of the flow of current through a conductor.

Only when people understand that it is the electric field of a primary coil that induces an EMF across a secondary coil,will advances be made.


Brad
I thought ether was what they use to use in hospitals  :)
Everything is energy (electric energy) magnetism is something else but it's not gravity, what you call ether is electricity, (to convert magnetism to electricity has a price to pay), (uncharged neg electrons ) with respect to other electrons, if you want energy find a way to raise a potential between them and get them out of there holes, find a way to do that and it's all around you, Edison had the opposite problem
that's why he employed Tesla he solved it or right with AC it killed it, so what does that prove come on work it out and don't give up so easy.

Regards and good look, Allem
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: ramset on February 11, 2018, 04:53:51 PM
Iron needs a closer look IMO
Steven Mark mentioned a very similar ring back from the ambient with iron


And such an apparently simple experiment as Fernandez has proposed [almost proposed],on the proper bench
Should show the claimed effect rather quickly.


A block schematic would be nice to see
And perhaps a frequency suggestion too.


Respectfully
Chet



Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on February 11, 2018, 05:31:20 PM
Iron needs a closer look IMO
Steven Mark mentioned a very similar ring back from the ambient with iron


And such an apparently simple experiment as Fernandez has proposed [almost proposed],on the proper bench
Should show the claimed effect rather quickly.


A block schematic would be nice to see
And perhaps a frequency suggestion too.


Respectfully
Chet

If you have something different in mind please share it.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on February 11, 2018, 06:01:17 PM
Guys I always play with higher frequencies in the order of KHz. Keep in mind that 50Hz is lethal. At this low frequencies most probably will follow heat smoke and eventually a shortcut between turns.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: seaad on February 11, 2018, 08:34:18 PM
Jeg
YOUR DC/DC transformer. WoW!
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Belfior on February 12, 2018, 10:45:49 AM
Can the "phase delay" be just a coil or a cap?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on February 12, 2018, 10:59:38 AM
.... take special note that a capacitor is used to delay a phase (this is super cheap and EZ).

Belfior
Read again Fernandez explanation and guidance ;)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: ramset on February 12, 2018, 11:00:52 AM
Jeg
Been traveling to see family for a few days
got back late

your schem seems intuitive ,as choices are obviously limited.

managing the energy and looking for ??

I will be talking to some friends of ours for input on other possible considerations [circuit management ]
But must add ,most hate these types of games people play here with sprinkles of info in a very big pond.

but this claim is sooo simple......
almost tooo simple and would point to a misunderstanding on the claimants behalf [thinks he see's something which he just doesn't understand .

and that's why a bit more info [just a few words from the claimant on what he see's happening ?

 Hmmm
and it must resonate.....

@ Jeg
with gratitude and respect

Chet K



Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on February 12, 2018, 01:56:19 PM
your schem seems intuitive ,as choices are obviously limited.


I will be talking to some friends of ours for input on other possible considerations [circuit management ]

but this claim is sooo simple......
almost tooo simple and would point to a misunderstanding on the claimants behalf

and it must resonate.....


Hi Chet ;)
Thanks for your kind words

The diagram is not so intuitive. It is just that Fernandez wrote some key points which show this Tesla rectification technique.

Yes it is silly easy but on the other hand Fernandez mentioned Kapa's words who had said: "So easy that you will laugh" 

Resonance..yes. It would be better i think.

If you make any thread about this at your forum please inform us


Best Regards
Jeg
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: ramset on February 12, 2018, 04:31:54 PM
Jeg
There is no My forum ,the only proper forum is open source , and this [Stefan's] has always been home...

Peters forum OUR is passionately open source too ....

will take a couple days to get ideas and suggestions from some members together,new threads should be here [to start the vetting process]

but you do realize most feel this a silly path .

I do feel it is a very simple mechanism we must be missing ,but we both know [and many others here] that some members have tried to drag out simple claims for a very long time,
and at the end of the day [or years] ??

I do NOT see Fernandez in this light !

but I am not the brightest Bulb here !!

Maybe its the "Build a resonator" statement from Fernandez that just won't quit...
{I can feel the heads banging on the table....almost in resonance.. from certain members !:"}

respectfully
Chet K

PS
Fernandez
just a starting frequency [window] would be very helpful in circuit design for this resonator.
 



Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on February 12, 2018, 05:03:58 PM
If you think you can get OU, or even VRSWR, from a chunk of a lug wrench or tire iron and a c-clamp ... good luck.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on February 12, 2018, 05:09:14 PM
Jeg
There is no My forum ,the only proper forum is open source , and this [Stefan's] has always been home...

Peters forum OUR is passionately open source too ....


Chet
I am sorry for the misunderstanding. For some reason i always thought that you are the owner of the OUR forum. No disrespect to Stefan. I assumed that you were going to open a new thread over there so more heads to work on this. Didn't mean something different than an open source.

For sure what we see at the above block diagram is not anything close to OU. we need real current across the primaries and what we get at the output is more than conventional. It is always nice watching a transformer outputting a dc power signal but as already Fernandez mentioned... this is not FE. Read again his post about Tesla transformer.

Regards   

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: ramset on February 12, 2018, 06:27:34 PM
TK
I happen to believe we could harvest energy from atmosphere or a  raindrop.

and the power grows exponentially from there .... with material Density !

But a resonator configured as Jeg [and seemingly Fernandez} suggests doesn't ring true with what my understanding would be [or others I have asked for advice thus far.

which is more inline with transmission line theory and cavity resonators...

However
that being said Steven Mark did say the environment does ring back to pulsed iron seemingly independent of specific frequencies...

I've yet to speak with anyone who can show this on the bench ? [plenty more fellows to ask tho...

no stone left unturned .

@ Jeg
no need to apologize to me .

This a confusing media indeed....[Lug wrenches and all..........

respectfully
Chet K
 

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on February 12, 2018, 07:08:46 PM
Mr Ramset Chet

Yeah but wouldn't the electrons and atoms be already tightly bound up with photons in some kind of magnetic field, I think to do that you would have to pay a heavy conversion price. As far as I know electrons ant protons are just floating around you why not grab some of them ? All you have to do is charge them and drag them out of their holes  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Allen
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on February 12, 2018, 07:28:55 PM
Chet, unfortunately the Universe doesn't really care what any of us believes.

We do "get energy" from raindrops all the time though-- or more properly, raindrops act as the transfer medium, along with gravity, to transfer energy from the sun into our electric grids. Sun evaporates water and creates wind, wind transfers water vapour to higher altitudes where it condenses out as rainwater, which fills our dammed reservoirs, which then drain through hydroelectric generating turbines to yield electric power.

NMR is, at best, an energy _storage_ mechanism, and is usually an energy "loss" mechanism that results in applied energy being converted and dissipated as heat and/or mechanical vibration.


Allen, don't confuse "protons" with "holes". We almost never see free protons, except in acid solutions. Electricity works by knocking electrons free from atoms, leaving behind positively-charged "holes" where they used to be. The protons concerned are buried deep inside the nucleus, usually in intimate association with neutrons, and are relatively far, far away from even the innermost electron shell of an atom. The exceptions are "proton donors", aka acids, where some individual protons (hydrogen nuclei) are "de-shielded" (their electron cloud is pulled away by other atoms in the molecule) and are sticking out on the surface of their molecules, easy to be broken off, like HCl (hydrochloric acid) or H2SO4 (sulfuric acid). Free protons are dangerous things.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Belfior on February 12, 2018, 07:44:59 PM
Chet, unfortunately the Universe doesn't really care what any of us believes.

That is very true. Even if people try to hang on to dead theories by inventing Dark Energy and Dark Matter, the universe does not care.

Funny thing about the rain drops. You can get energy from rain drops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR2Quj2isIo

The universe does not care what we believe. It just is. The problem arises when we think the universe works like X, but in reality it is Y. In my opinion we have bee stuck for over a hundred years. We are still not an inch closer to understanding gravity or if we got gravity at all. I think this observation is the clearest sign, that we are looking in the wrong place. Looking in the wrong place comes from crap that has been stuffed into our throats for decades.

That is what I an other mean by using intuition and imagination. What would sound do? What would a water wave do? Then take that into electric design. We need to start looking for new ways of the stuff we have. Nature is simple and beautiful and why would OU be any different?

Only thing relevant is experiment. If you stop looking because Newton said something or Lenz wrote something we can just bury our heads into sand and quit. People want there to be laws, so they can get their name in a book. Nature has very few laws in my opinion (or closed systems...)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on February 12, 2018, 08:30:59 PM
Chet, unfortunately the Universe doesn't really care what any of us believes.

We do "get energy" from raindrops all the time though-- or more properly, raindrops act as the transfer medium, along with gravity, to transfer energy from the sun into our electric grids. Sun evaporates water and creates wind, wind transfers water vapour to higher altitudes where it condenses out as rainwater, which fills our dammed reservoirs, which then drain through hydroelectric generating turbines to yield electric power.

NMR is, at best, an energy _storage_ mechanism, and is usually an energy "loss" mechanism that results in applied energy being converted and dissipated as heat and/or mechanical vibration.


Allen, don't confuse "protons" with "holes". We almost never see free protons, except in acid solutions. Electricity works by knocking electrons free from atoms, leaving behind positively-charged "holes" where they used to be. The protons concerned are buried deep inside the nucleus, usually in intimate association with neutrons, and are relatively far, far away from even the innermost electron shell of an atom. The exceptions are "proton donors", aka acids, where some individual protons (hydrogen nuclei) are "de-shielded" (their electron cloud is pulled away by other atoms in the molecule) and are sticking out on the surface of their molecules, easy to be broken off, like HCl (hydrochloric acid) or H2SO4 (sulfuric acid). Free protons are dangerous things.
Hey you sound like a university professor or MIT lecturer  ;D ;D ;D I can't remember all that I was a younger guy then ! ;D ;D ;D my point was it's easier to grab electrons
than having to work hard to change something else  like we do already like burning it or doing it with chemicals and destroying the planet in the process.  8) 8) 8) unless you know a better way of course.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on February 12, 2018, 10:03:06 PM
Quote
Funny thing about the rain drops. You can get energy from rain drops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR2Quj2isIo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR2Quj2isIo)

Uh... not really. The energy in a Kelvin water-drop electrostatic generator comes from whatever you used to elevate the water, so it can fall through the apparatus. Ultimately this is solar energy. Just as before, the water drops are just tools, along with gravity, that are used to convert some of this solar energy into usable electricity.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Belfior on February 12, 2018, 11:41:12 PM
Fine. From now on I will state that everything comes from the Sun. Not from a battery, wall outlet or a drop of water. Sun. Every time
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: ramset on February 12, 2018, 11:41:48 PM
There are other ways to make sparks in water drops

sudden acceleration....


AG's  Photon  comment reminded me of the Bug with the sonic cannon.

always wanted to resonate this claw/cavity. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC6I8iPiHT8

9000 C  from a biological sono luminescent event caused by knocking a photon out of orbit.

sudden Acceleration causes things to happen....there's a lesson in there somewhere.

would like to get to Fernandez lesson first.



Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on February 13, 2018, 12:42:54 AM
I think Tinsel k is referring to the static electricity from the two bottomless buckets experiment with the drops of water charging the buckets,
Struth how could I for get that one  ;D

A photon has no mas until it attaches to an electron but to become something like a solid abject it has to slow down it's spin rate or something like that
perhaps professor Tinsel could explain more on that theory ?

Allen (Moron In Training) ;D
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on February 13, 2018, 12:56:39 AM
Quote from: ramset
sudden Acceleration causes things to happen....there's a lesson in there somewhere.

Well. First there is position.
And then there is change in position over time. That is velocity. The first derivative of position.
And then there is change in velocity over time. That is acceleration, the second derivative of position.
Do you remember what a change in acceleration over time is called? It's the third derivative of position.... called jerk.

Yes, there is a lesson in there somewhere.     :P
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on February 13, 2018, 01:01:22 AM
Fine. From now on I will state that everything comes from the Sun. Not from a battery, wall outlet or a drop of water. Sun. Every time

You would not be far wrong. The major exception is energy from decay of radioactive elements, as in nuclear power plants and fission bombs. But even those radioactive elements were created in supernova explosions of stars, or are made from those elements by interference from us.  Nuclear fusion powers the sun, though...

Homework question: where does _fusion_ energy ultimately come from?  ;)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on February 13, 2018, 01:13:50 AM
I think Tinsel k is referring to the static electricity from the two bottomless buckets experiment with the drops of water charging the buckets,
Struth how could I for get that one  ;D

A photon has no mas until it attaches to an electron but to become something like a solid abject it has to slow down it's spin rate or something like that
perhaps professor Tinsel could explain more on that theory ?

Allen (Moron In Training) ;D

Er..... um.... ah..... well.....

Electrons don't have eternally fixed orbits around an atomic nucleus. They occupy orbital shells and suborbital levels within shells. These shells and levels represent energy levels, with greater energies further away from the nucleus, or in more complex shells. (The "shells" and "levels" are really probability distributions, some with really weird shapes.) When a photon with just the right energy comes along it can bump an electron from its normal "ground state" shell position into a higher one. When that happens the photon no longer exists, except as stored energy in the electron's new shell position. The electron doesn't want to stay there though, so it can "decay" back to the ground state by emitting one or more photons, spitting out the energy it took to get it up higher in the first place as photons. Say an UV photon comes along and bumps an electron up three discrete energy levels all at once. Then the electron could decay back down in three steps, emitting a lower energy photon at each step.
But neither the electron nor the photon are ever "solid objects". The electron is a probability cloud of charge and the photon is a discrete packet of electromagnetic energy. Our everyday intuitions about solid matter break down at the quantum scale. There are only eleven people on Earth who can understand these things, and neither you nor I are one of them.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Newton II on February 13, 2018, 04:45:34 AM
https://chem.libretexts.org/Core/Physical_and_Theoretical_Chemistry/Quantum_Mechanics/09._The_Hydrogen_Atom/Atomic_Theory/Why_atoms_do_not_Collapse

"What this means is that within the tiny confines of the atom, the electron cannot really be regarded as a "particle" having a definite energy and location, so it is somewhat misleading to talk about the electron "falling into" the nucleus."

Does it mean that an electron is just an illusion created by God?  Is it not better to know about the creator himself rather than his creation because creation (properties of matter) may change as per the wish of the creator.    I mean if creator wishes the nucleus itself may spin around the electron!!

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on February 13, 2018, 05:32:42 AM
Oh, I don't know about that. God is omnipotent, right? But can He create a rock so heavy that He cannot lift it?

What I mean is this: consistency even puts constraints on God. The universe may be unfathomable to us mere mortals, but so far as we _do_ know, it is entirely consistent, whether made by God to be so, or not. So perhaps God could make a nucleus orbit around an electron... but the rest of the universe would be very different from what we see now, since it would have to be consistent throughout with that kind of orbit. That is, if A is true, then all its implications and consequences must also be true. 
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Newton II on February 13, 2018, 08:26:49 AM

But can He create a rock so heavy that He cannot lift it?


I don't understand that question.  You know weight comes into picture only when gravity is present and if God makes a huge rock bigger than earth or sun,  it has to be lifted from where? With reference to which gravity?   He can make a rock which cannot be lifted in gravity and lift it in the absence of gravity or just make it an anti gravity ball.


What I mean is this: consistency even puts constraints on God. The universe may be unfathomable to us mere mortals, but so far as we _do_ know, it is entirely consistent, whether made by God to be so, or not. So perhaps God could make a nucleus orbit around an electron... but the rest of the universe would be very different from what we see now, since it would have to be consistent throughout with that kind of orbit. That is, if A is true, then all its implications and consequences must also be true.


As far as the philosophy I know,   flow of time is different in physical world (earth) and non-physical world (heaven).   God's few seconds or few minutes is equivalent to millions of years on earth(our time).  So,  after few days of his time he destroys the universe and creates a new universe with different material properties and which will be after million or billion years of our time.  How do we know that the universe is consistent?   Of course when he creates a fresh universe,  all implications and consequences will be true to the properties of new universe.

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Belfior on February 13, 2018, 08:55:07 AM
 Yes well this is an interesting debate. Are we talking about the God of Israel or the Creator who made everything? First one is just a member of a sophisticated race and the second one is the unified consciousness

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on February 13, 2018, 09:00:11 AM
Hmm! what amuses me is how many people think the King James version version of events was written in English and how many of the quotes are pagan!
And I think you will find Gad're'el is Satin (book of Hanock,( NOT ENOCH) !, Gad pronounced God (bar over a = o sound) but how can this be ? In the translation from Arabaic Hebrew to King James English. 'chew that one over' and explain how the creator becomes a God from ''Yawah'' ? (in the translation) !

It was all the consistency at my place of work, that manifested as time went on, I had to go back to the original for reference realised what was going on and moved on.
So sorry if it offends any one but no of fence intended
Allen
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Belfior on February 13, 2018, 10:34:16 AM
Well when tribes conquer others they take part of those conquered tribe's knowledge and culture with them. That is why Noah's and Mosess stories are just copies of older tales from Sumer. Gilgamesh and Sargon.

Also when a tribe with One God conquers others, they would destroy stuff that would prove otherwise. Egyptians had knowledge and techniques far beyond ours in some aspects, but all that was lost. They moved massive blocks of stone that modern engineers could only move up or down. Somehow they moved them hundreds of miles and then placed them in Baalbek.

I think New Testament is the worst. You steal a religion by saying this "new god" is the son and he calls the shots now. No historian that lived when Jesus did writes about Jesus. Then the gospels arrive 150-450 years after Christ. How many edits were there? The gospels don't even match each other. But then again the message in the new testament is ok. So you'll be fine if you don't take it literally. If you take the bible literally you can conjure up any kinda religion you want from incest pedophiles to murdering you friends.

I am inclined to believe more in genesis that was copied from old Jewish texts where the Sumerian gods (the giants) ruled the earth and created Adam to do work for them. Makes a lot more sense to me that an ancient race came here and created us to do labor.

 
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Sergh on February 13, 2018, 12:17:49 PM
Can  be used  to generate energy a process, similar to this "Terrestrial gamma-ray flash"?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_gamma-ray_flash (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_gamma-ray_flash)

Quote
Tesla Cosmic Ray Motor May Transmit Power 'Round Earth - Brooklyn Eagle - July 10, 1932, John J. A. O'Neill:

"I can now state that I have succeeded in operating a motive device by means of (cosmic rays).  I will tell you in the most general way, the cosmic ray ionizes the air, setting free many charges (ions and electrons).  These charges are captured in a condenser which is made to discharge through the circuit of the motor."


Device to Harness Cosmic Energy Claimed - by Nikola Tesla - New York American - November 1st, 1933:

"This new power for the driving of the world's machinery will be derived from the energy which operates the universe, the cosmic energy, whose central source for the earth is the sun and which is everywhere present in unlimited quantities."

Prepared Statement of Tesla (For interview with press on 81st birthday observance):

There is one more discovery which I want to announce at this time, consisting of a new method and apparatus for the obtainment of vacua exceeding many times the highest heretofore realized. I think that as much as one-billionth of a micron can be attained. What may be accomplished by means of such vacua is a matter of conjecture, but it is obvious that they will make possible the production of much more intense effects in electron tubes. My ideas regarding the electron are at variance with those generally entertained. I hold that it is a relatively large body carrying a surface charge and not an elementary unit. When such an electron leaves an electrode of extremely high potential and in very high vacuum, it carries an electrostatic charge many times greater than the normal. This may astonish some of those who think that the particle has the same charge in the tube and outside of it in the air. A beautiful and instructive experiment has been contrived by me showing that such is not the case, for as soon as the particle gets out into the atmosphere it becomes a blazing star owing to the escape of the excess charge. The great quantity of electricity stored on the particle is responsible for the difficulties encountered in the operation of certain tubes and the rapid deterioration of the same.

....in my experiments with a high potential vacuum tube I brought out in 1896, which I consider one of my best inventions. I have operated it with pressures ranging from 4,000,000 to 18,000,000 volts. More recently I have designed an apparatus for 50,000,000 volts which should produce many results of great scientific importance.

https://teslaresearch.jimdo.com/radiant-energy/ (https://teslaresearch.jimdo.com/radiant-energy/)

It looks like a lamp similar to an X-ray lamp. But the Tesla lamp worked at a voltage of 40 to 180 times more than conventional X-ray lamps, which are used in medicine. Probably such a lamp could produce relativistic electrons, as in a dark lightning.

..and a very hard X-ray

Runaway breakdown
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaway_breakdown (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaway_breakdown)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: AlienGrey on February 13, 2018, 01:07:58 PM

It looks like a lamp similar to an X-ray lamp. But the Tesla lamp worked at a voltage of 40 to 180 times more than conventional X-ray lamps, which are used in medicine. Probably such a lamp could produce relativistic electrons, as in a dark lightning.

..and a very hard X-ray

Sounds like it would cook your dinner in front of it  ;D
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Grumage on February 13, 2018, 02:16:57 PM
Hmmm, who is this “ Dog “ person anyway?

I suggest reading the works of Oolon Caluphid.

http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Oolon_Colluphid

Cheers Graham.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: ramset on February 13, 2018, 02:58:31 PM
Politics, religion and sports

subjects which almost always get us twisted up a bit [us men]

If you Look back thru Fernandez posts you will notice HE has been consistent  and confidently beating a drum.

and a very very simple drum....

filled with remarkable suggestions for cheap and expedient investigation ...[I really like this guy]


perhaps a thread to discuss and investigate ?

it truly seems a simple path.

if there is an assumption or error it should become apparent rather quickly.

respectfully
Chet K
PS Fernandez bench marked post here [post 261]
http://overunity.com/17535/kapanadze-stepanov-barbosa-leal-and-the-secret-of-free-energy/255/#.WoLwhbmWzoY
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Sergh on February 13, 2018, 03:15:32 PM
returning to Tesla's words about cosmic rays as a source of Free Energy:
NASA | Terrestrial Gamma-ray Flashes Create Antimatter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXKt7UVjd-I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXKt7UVjd-I)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Belfior on February 15, 2018, 08:30:30 PM
I think Kapanadze's secret was already in his magnetic motor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY&t=188s

Toroid xformer, PC power supply and something under a circuit board. Doesn't matter how the motor turns or the generator works. That setup powers from a battery and then keeps powering the motor

I think he realized someone could figure this out and the the next videos are aquariums and other shit with old TV-panels painted black and extra wires up the wazoo.

Ground cables going through scrap metal coils and going into his know-how box.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: tomd on February 18, 2018, 01:30:53 PM
                                                ****************   February 9th 2018   ****************




User Zeitmaschine, I am going to give you credit, you put a lot of effort into your posts (even though you are wrong) BUT I want to put you and some others in this world on the right track and moving in the right direction.




Here is the truth, take it or bury it
I will keep this short and drama free, the words Free Energy, Overunity, and Zero Point Energy has corrupted your thoughts because the device is............ so easy you will laugh

For starters your statement is incorrect Lenz's Law is actually a blessing, you need to wrap your head around that first. Let's review Lenz quickly

All of you globally have missed the key word in that statement, you are too quick to denounce Lenz's Law as the culprit, the destroyer of energy. However, if I highlight just one word in that statement we open up a new method of utilizing Lenz's Law.

So the beauty is, if I create a magnetic field in a coil with some current NATURE rewards me with a duplicate magnetic field that opposes mine. Already I got something for almost nothing. (BTW... that's my first Primary coil usage, to create a Lenz induced field)

So I now have a Primary magnetic field that gave rise to an induced magnetic field as stated by Lenz. Pay close attention here, this is important! Now take another coil (call it Primary 2) and feed your Lenz induced magnetic field so you complement its growth. So in other words your North pole of Primary 2 faces the South pole of Lenz field (or Vice Versa). Because Lenz is only present in change of original magnetic flux. Are you starting to see? Lenz has no interest in my second Primary because Primary 1 is the parent of Lenz induced field. You really need to appreciate how powerful that statement is. Ignore what has been written in any other thread that talks about these devices, lots of people using big words and way to complex algorithms to build something a child can assemble. 

So do you now understand why Barbosa and Leal explain in their patent the pole of the induced complements the primary pole? Do you now understand why that guy Tariel says........ it's so easy you will laugh, see why Clemente Figuera said "this is like the egg of Columbus". Because it really is that silly and simple, you simply feed the induced magnetic field with another magnetic field. There is no Lenz that opposes Primary 2, Primary 2 doesn't create an induced field (if you time it right) it ADDS to what has already been induced from P1. The result is a strong Rectified Magnetic field. That is your resonator, not so glamorous now that you know how everyone including Steve Mark pull this off. I apologies if you where looking for something more complex or other worldly. Unfortunately many of you will still be looking for a more complex solution because your mind will never accept such a simple solution to a problem that had you perplexed for years.

That is the theory behind the how it works some of you are smart enough to figure out the build details, but I will get you started. You are going to wind you primary's like a Poly-Phase motor (Yep a Tesla invention) take special note that a capacitor is used to delay a phase (this is super cheap and EZ). These devices use impulses and you need to split the wave in half so diodes are used. So one coil is at its magnetic max while the other is not, also you need to split the wave between coils, so half wave per primary but that is why you are using diodes (or tubes if your that type of guy Steve). Timing is very critical between the coils, remember you are building a resonator and nothing more.

Like I said before, take some iron from a tire jack and cut the ends off. Get a C-clamp to close the ends and you have a simple core that allows for different coils. To extract you need a secondary but that is simple, wrap it around your low budget iron core, use a thick or thin secondary.

So its up to you and figure out if the primary's should be CW or CCW, shouldn't take that long. BTW... bifiler coil doesn't mean crap.  The beauty of this device is different inputs (voltage/frequency) changes the output and output varies based on type of coil. Start simple, low voltage and don't kill yourself. You have more in this post then you ever wanted.

One more thing, Tesla patent, 413,353 not glamorous and not your FE but excellent facts and my personal opinion is as close as it gets for Tesla.

For those interested. This is the best explanation of back emf and transformers I have read. It's only one page so wont take long to read.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: ramset on February 18, 2018, 02:35:20 PM
tomd
nice simple Doc

can you find one on  resonators ?

Fernandez quote from your above repost

Timing is very critical between the coils, remember you are building a resonator and nothing more.

and  some ? instructions from Fernandez ....[there are more instructions in other posts he has made here in the last 4 years]
Quote
You are going to wind you primary's like a Poly-Phase motor (Yep a Tesla invention) take special note that a capacitor is used to delay a phase (this is super cheap and EZ). These devices use impulses and you need to split the wave in half so diodes are used. So one coil is at its magnetic max while the other is not, also you need to split the wave between coils, so half wave per primary but that is why you are using diodes (or tubes if your that type of guy Steve). Timing is very critical between the coils, remember you are building a resonator and nothing more.
End quote



respectfully
Chet K

PS
still getting feedback from persons on this build [the resonator part

No tire irons have been harmed YET...

when that happens it will happen here in a dedicated thread

* first a schematic will be proposed for discussion... to accomplish this "Fernandez resonator"

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: norman6538 on February 19, 2018, 02:19:32 AM
The Lenz factor has me confused but I want to add what I picked up from the
Bouforn patent....
it says in my words the coils protrude inside each other...
in his words...
  either both opposite sides of its core will be into hollows in the corresponding
inducers and in contact with their respective cores, or either, being close the induced
and inducer and in contact by their poles,
 but in no case it has to be any communication (contact??) between
 the induced wire and the inducer wire.
....

a. into the coil - not  core hollows (remember this is a spanish to english translation so
the words will not be the best)
b. no contact with each other ( translated uses communication)

Did  I understand this right?

Norman
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: tomd on February 19, 2018, 03:30:36 AM
A couple of links that may be helpfull.
1. Tesla patent 413353 mentioned by Fernandez: https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/patents/us-patent-413353-method-obtaining-direct-alternating-currents (https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/patents/us-patent-413353-method-obtaining-direct-alternating-currents)
2. The Qeg2 which I believe has been modeled on patent 413353. The blog was started in 2016 but for whatever reason came to an abrupt halt: https://qeg2.wordpress.com/2016/01/25/introducing-qeg2/ (https://qeg2.wordpress.com/2016/01/25/introducing-qeg2/)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: tomd on February 19, 2018, 06:31:42 AM
I might be jumping the gun here. But on reading a bit of Teslas 413353 patent I was reminded of a magnetic amplifier and found this youtube video which may be of interest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zh_C3yvJH0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zh_C3yvJH0)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Sergh on February 19, 2018, 08:05:02 AM
I think Kapanadze's secret was already in his magnetic motor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY&t=188s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY&t=188s)
Do you want to develop a magnetic motor?
What types of magnetic materials do you know?
Do you know what are magnetically soft and magnetically hard?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coercivity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coercivity)
If the magnetic material is magnetized, it receives energy. If spontaneously demagnetized, it returns the stored energy.

And what do you know about magnetically semi-hard? They can easily remagnetize, but at the same time retain their magnetization. Used in special electric motors. The motors of these types are rare.
https://www.electrical4u.com/hysteresis-motor/ (https://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fengineering-solutions.ru%2Fmotorcontrol%2Fhysteresis%2F&edit-text=)

In the normal application, such engines have a small efficiency of 5 to 15%. The rotor of such a motor is made of a special material Vicalloy that is remagnetized during its rotation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicalloy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicalloy)
http://www.xaleipeng.com/product_show.asp?id=453 (http://www.xaleipeng.com/product_show.asp?id=453)
For OverUnity, it is interesting to use a special pulse power supply for such an engine.
The open question is the difference in magnetization and demagnetization time. The magnetization time (or the time of the current flowing through the coils) can probably be very short.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: tomd on February 21, 2018, 12:48:27 AM
Page 41 of the magnetic amplifiers pdf a couple of posts back pretty much describes the working principle of Thane Heins transformer.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Sergh on February 21, 2018, 09:15:05 AM
On Page 41 is description of "Three-legged core magnetic amplifiers".

Magnetic amplifiers are nothing more than a conventional amplifiers and power switches, or transistors, relays, thyristors and triac.

But where is the Overunity here?

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: tomd on February 21, 2018, 10:43:33 AM
On Page 41 is description of "Three-legged core magnetic amplifiers".

Magnetic amplifiers are nothing more than a conventional amplifiers and power switches, or transistors, relays, thyristors and triac.

But where is the Overunity here?

In Thane's transformer the secondaries are wound on the outer core legs and the primary on the middle leg. "This method of construction and winding connection eliminates the back emf from the secondaries to the primary thereby freeing the primary of any effect from the load on the secondary." Effectively the primary only has to maintain the magnetizing current.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Sergh on February 21, 2018, 12:41:17 PM
In Thane's transformer the secondaries are wound on the outer core legs and the primary on the middle leg. "This method of construction and winding connection eliminates the back emf from the secondaries to the primary thereby freeing the primary of any effect from the load on the secondary." Effectively the primary only has to maintain the magnetizing current.

When the back emf occurs, then the primary winding is already disconnected from the power source and in any case has no influence on it and on the secondary.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: tomd on February 21, 2018, 01:03:05 PM
When the back emf occurs, then the primary winding is already disconnected from the power source and in any case has no influence on it and on the secondary.

I am going off Patrick Kelly's pdf and the mode of operation is as described there.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Belfior on February 21, 2018, 01:25:06 PM
to create this kinda transformer can I use 2 U-cores and just have some kinda ferrite in the middle as the thinner primary?

Can I use a small E-core transformer inside 2 U-cores as the small primary? How 'tight' must the connection be so that the flux is transferred from primary to the outer U-cores?

I can get something to the secondaries, but I think I am not saturating the core with my primary.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: tomd on February 22, 2018, 12:08:26 AM
to create this kinda transformer can I use 2 U-cores and just have some kinda ferrite in the middle as the thinner primary?

Can I use a small E-core transformer inside 2 U-cores as the small primary? How 'tight' must the connection be so that the flux is transferred from primary to the outer U-cores?

I can get something to the secondaries, but I think I am not saturating the core with my primary.

A good start would probably be to look for an EI core designed for a magnetic amplifier.
I'm only an amateur in this field. However if you saturate the core how are you going to get a magnetic pulse? For a transformer as opposed to a mag-amp, I would have thought the last thing you would want is to saturate the core.

With all these free energy devices the devil is in the details, and those that know the details are not disclosing them. So it's up to everyone to reinvent the wheel.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Belfior on February 22, 2018, 09:50:46 AM
A good start would probably be to look for an EI core designed for a magnetic amplifier.
I'm only an amateur in this field. However if you saturate the core how are you going to get a magnetic pulse? For a transformer as opposed to a mag-amp, I would have thought the last thing you would want is to saturate the core.

With all these free energy devices the devil is in the details, and those that know the details are not disclosing them. So it's up to everyone to reinvent the wheel.

I already planned to make a video of my OU device, when I finally find it. I will hide all the important parts inside boxes and I will use all pseudo-Russian for the commentary. "Tak. idiotidiotidiotidiot. suka bliat. otsi tsorni. gavarits ruski ruki vehr ruski soldat" and then leave people steaming in their own juices.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: ramset on February 25, 2018, 04:48:45 PM
Just a quick update on the Fernandez Feb 9 2018 manifesto  investigation, discussions are underway [post 261 in this thread  http://overunity.com/17535/kapanadze-stepanov-barbosa-leal-and-the-secret-of-free-energy/255/ (http://overunity.com/17535/kapanadze-stepanov-barbosa-leal-and-the-secret-of-free-energy/255/)

should have some schematics for consideration and discussion later next week

 [in a dedicated thread not this one]

Chet K
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Fernandez on March 03, 2018, 08:41:06 PM
Keep it simple.

Look at the below image, this is how the team started. Here you see two coils over some iron in a C-Clamp. We create a completely closed magnetic field for this resonator (like most others have also). Those coils are not special, they are just coils off solenoid valves (24volts) each is about 340 Ohms. (they are disconnected in this pic) Missing is my Lenz coil, But with this setup one coil must be magnetically HIGH while the other is at Magnetically (or close to it) LOW. Overlooked in my last post was the phrase Rectified Magnetic Field, thats what you need to create and that is what creates the power in all these devices. This is a huge field, much larger then the parts that created it. In the pic I show you 2 of 3 coils that create this field. 
These coils are operated in a similar fashion as a capacitor run motor. The one difference is we are not using pure A/C but rectified A/C (unfiltered) because if you use a smoothing cap you flat-line (no pun intended).

Let me tell you this, you will never produce power by looking at voltage waves. Draw out the magnetic field lines because you need them to produce power.

Are you aware one of the larger Barbosa & Leal devices requires 2000 watt input? It produces a huge output but what do you think they are doing with a 2000 watt input...... driving a Tesla coil???? nope .....they are creating a Rectified Magnetic Field.



Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on March 14, 2018, 01:40:38 PM
Any progress with your »Rectified Magnetic Field« and your »Lenz coil« yet?

Wouldn't it be an idea to use a three-phase transformer, which comprises  - no wonder - three coils and also creates a completely closed magnetic field, instead of an odd "C-Clamp"? I don't think Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal started their experiments with such a clamp. But anyway I still can't see how three simple coils in a closed magnetic field can ever generate an AC ground current like seen in the Kapanadze video, or even a DC(!) ground current like seen in a Stepanov video, and thereby an output power of some KW out of nothing.

I have tried already nearly all conceivable (and inconceivable) combinations of coils, capacitors, diodes and frequency doublers, with and without high voltage, so far all to no avail; and I'm afraid that state of affairs will not change any time soon.

ramset, what about your »schematics for consideration and discussion later next week«?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: ramset on March 14, 2018, 02:08:33 PM
  Zeitmaschine
had some issues here this last month with a member  attacking and causing problems
people really don't want to do work here with things like that going on.


been resolved now .
-----------------------------------------

a bit behind on projects ATM
but definitely being discussed ,...building this "resonator "
There was a question on Current flow in one schematic previously posted By Fernandez in an older
post ,
hopefully can get back on track here..
will keep you posted


Chet
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on April 09, 2018, 04:00:13 PM
It appears to me, as if there is a major problem with that rectified magnetic field and the circumvention of Lenz's law, although it sounded quite easy to do a few pages ago - or am I just slow of comprehension?

Would be an idea perhaps (in order to cause general amusement) to create a compilation of some red flags I've encountered in course of time regarding free energy demonstrations. Fortunately, there is also one scientifically confirmed green flag about energy from space, not very useful so far, but should be better than nothing.


Regards
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Belfior on April 09, 2018, 04:11:03 PM
It appears to me, as if there is a major problem with that rectified magnetic field and the circumvention of Lenz's law, although it sounded quite easy to do a few pages ago - or am I just slow of comprehension?

Would be an idea perhaps (in order to cause general amusement) to create a compilation of some red flags I've encountered in course of time regarding free energy demonstrations. Fortunately, there is also one scientifically confirmed green flag about energy from space, not very useful so far, but should be better than nothing.


Regards

how to place coils to negate Lenz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9MiEJ6KI8k
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: tomd on April 10, 2018, 12:32:03 AM
Chapter 18 of PJKBook   http://www.free-energy-info.com/PJKBook.html (http://www.free-energy-info.com/PJKBook.html)
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on April 10, 2018, 09:10:16 PM
When an electron moves through a looped wire (https://www.ck12.org/physics/Electromagnetic-Induction/lesson/Electromagnetic-Induction-PPC/), it generates a magnetic field. In order to make it move through the wire, a magnetic field is needed (although there are also other methods). That is why it is necessary to decouple the primary magnetic field from the secondary (electron-generated) magnetic field. The point here is, I haven't seen any setup that can do this in practice, it always works on paper only (or in hoax videos).

Basically, the initial idea of this thread was to shed light from all possible directions on this subject - unfortunately the sheer numbers of negative experimental results are all pointing to something rather sinister than enlightening.


THE RED FLAGS

Red flag #1, Kapanadze's ground current. The clamp ammeter shows around 22 amps in the green box video. That means the electrons moving through the wire (allegedly bouncing back and forth) have to generate a magnetic field, otherwise the ammeter would show nothing. But in my understanding those electrons are attracted electrostatically and thus should do work only in the load, not in the ground wire. Also those electrons seem to generate heat in that ground wire, hence the requirement of a rather large diameter of that wire.

Red flag #2, the size of Kapanadze's tin can. The thick orange wire which connects the five 1000W incandescent bulbs to the tin can on Kapanadze's work bench needs to be rather heavy in order to carry 5000W without overheating. But what about the electric component in the tin can itself the orange wire connects to? Its power rating should be corresponding to the power dissipation of the load. But then, how should it fit in that small round box? Even a device that takes energy from space and converts it into usable energy, should have a size that corresponds to the amount of energy it converts.

Red flag #3, the 9V battery. Kapanadze starts some of his devices with the power of a 9V battery. So, how can 9V DC lead to the generation of 220V AC at stable 50Hz? This would only be possible by means of an inverter, but, to the best of my knowledge, there is no 220V inverter commercially available running on a 9V battery (because it makes no sense). Then, should we assume that Kapanadze constructed his own small homemade inverter? But without such a »high-end electronics« inverter there is not even the slightest theory, how a simple oscillating electric circuit could convert 9V DC to precisely 220V AC at 50Hz.

Red flag #4, could there be a hidden wire? During the demonstrations no one of the observers in the videos makes any move to look if there is a hot wire hidden somewhere connecting the device to the grid. Under the work bench in the 2004 video we can clearly see a crossbar directly below the tin can, but no one seems to care about that ideal hiding place for a hot wire. From the psychologically point of view, the first thing an observer of such a device would do, is to look for hidden wires or batteries. But in this case they seem all to trust Kapanadze blindly.

Red flag #5, the Kapanadze motor. A round steel (or aluminum) disc and a round brass disc connected by means of a coiled wire, all mounted on a shaft, start to rotate as if by magic. So far - and that means since at least a decade - there is not even a rudimentary physical theory how and why this could ever work (purportedly by gravitational time dilation), neither is there a shred of a theory how Kapanadze could ever have discovered this effect in the first place. This stuff is completely outside the box.

Red flag #6, the antenna of Tesla's electric car and of the Moray device. Those antennas were connected to what? To high voltage? Then touching such an antenna would have led to electrocution and also to malfunction of the device? And what about moisture? Was Tesla's electric car not suitable for driving in rainy weather? But if these antennas were not connected to high voltage, then how could they ever do anything useful regarding the generation (or collection) of energy from air or space?

Red flag #7, Stepanov's 8,2A negative DC (virtual) ground current. It is hard to see how a 50Hz AC current can flow without a closed electric circuit, but maybe it is in theory possible somehow by letting the electrons bouncing back and forth in the ground wire. But DC without a closed circuit? Absolutely no idea.

Red flag #8, the Barbosa-Leal closed loop heat generation. Why should it be necessary to waste a lot of energy in order to get free energy? Actually this makes no sense. A thin ground wire, capturing the electrons, connects to a ten times thicker looped wire, and the claim then is, that the thin wire stays cool, but the thick looped wire must get hot in order to power some incandescent bulbs at the same time. Something has to be wrong here.

Red flag #9, the patents. Why is there not one single patent filed by Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal or others that shows a comprehensible schematic of one of their devices? A patent would surely protect their intellectual property, so there is no reason in filing nonsense patents which not the brightest minds can grasp - except the reason would be, that they have nothing at all that works in a way like demonstrated in their videos.

Red flag #10, DC output. The Steven Mark TPU as well as the Testatika provide an output of clean and smooth DC. As we know, the easiest way to get clean DC would be by means of some batteries, although as we also know, batteries have a very limited lifespan. And just as a mere coincidence, precisely both of those devices were never showed connected to loads in the range of some kilowatts.

And I'm sure, there are even more red flags, e.g.: Why in decades was not one of the so-called "free energy inventors« able to bring his invention to market? Not even as a toy, e.g. like a spinning top for children driven by permanent magnets, that never stops spinning, or something like that? Which lead to more red flags: Why is no one able to replicate a simple device like the Perendev magnet motor presented in a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFGiWiXMHn0) in plain view? What happened to the Lüling magnet motor presented in the UFA-Wochenschau (https://www.filmothek.bundesarchiv.de/video/584688?set_lang=en&start=00%3A01%3A52.02&end=00%3A03%3A42.14) more than 50 years ago? Again, after filing a patent, there would be no need to hide the principle of work - given there is a principle of work at all. The same story regarding the Yildiz (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epLOEaoPMFU) magnet motor. Probably a scam? In whose interest?


THE IMPOSSIBLE TRUTH

Sherlock Holmes: »When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.«

Therefore, this all looks more and more as if the secret of free energy (Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and so forth) in reality is rather the secret of a giant hoax, ongoing since the 1930's. I still would appreciate it very much, if someone could prove me a liar. In lots of setups I can generate strange noises and funny sparks, I can also generate some heat, but only because the inverter is in state of overload and draws plenty of amps from the battery, not because there is any energy coming from ground or from space. A device, so simple you'll laugh, but no one can find out how it works or can find even a clue in decades, not even by chance. This is plainly not possible. End of the story.

So, what does this all mean? It means, there has to be an authority - a higher power, so to speak - which orchestrates all those undercover operations (hoaxes) over the years. But the question still is why? Do they belief it is possible somehow without knowing how, and they want to make people look deeper into that subject, so they get a lot of research effort for free? Or do they know for sure how it works and they want to distract people away in the wrong direction? Or is there more than one authority involved in this and they fighting each other over that subject?


TESLA QUOTATIONS

Nikola Tesla: »Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by a power obtainable at any point of the universe. Throughout space there is energy.«

Nikola Tesla: »It is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature.«

Nikola Tesla: »I have harnessed the cosmic rays and caused them to operate a motive device. More than twenty-five years ago I began my efforts to harness the cosmic rays and I can now state that I have succeeded.«

Nikola Tesla: »This new power for the driving of the world's machinery will be derived from the energy which operates the universe, the cosmic energy, whose central source for the earth is the sun and which is everywhere present in unlimited quantities.«

If those quotes are real and not also hoax (who knows for sure?) then there is still hope; but stay away from all free energy videos and schematics; at best those videos and schematics show how it does NOT work.


CHASING A PHANTOM

A Nexus article from 2001 about Kenneth and James Corum's reconstruction (https://teslauniverse.com/sites/default/files/article_files/20010200-nexus-01.pdf) of two simultaneously operating Tesla coils producing fireballs. Maybe something out of the ordinary is going on here, but unfortunately the Corum account is the only account (more like an anecdote) on the entire internet about that dual Tesla coil setup; no videos, no photographs and always one and the same plain sketch. So, are those fireballs for real or is this just another hoax? Perhaps one can find an independent replication of this setup.

There are few possibilities to get a surplus of energy (which has to come from somewhere) from an electric circuit (if at all). If we don't even know the source of the energy, then how should we ever be able to use it? The energy could come from

a) the negative charge of the electron through ground or ionization or both (maybe);
b) the magnetic field created by a coil (might be);
c) the electric field created by a capacitor (could be);
d) the Casimir effect (possibly);
e) the nuclear magnetic resonance, NMR (perhaps);
f) the combination of some of the above (conceivably).

Here my best guess at this point would be to create a combination of a classic Tesla coil and an ordinary 50Hz transformer. Should a Tesla coil ever be able to collect energy from ground and/or space, then this might boost the current in the 50Hz transformer for free. If anyone has an idea how to do this practically (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg260600/#msg260600), please keep me informed. However, up to now, not a single credible report surfaced that an ordinary Tesla coil has ever produced any surplus energy for free, thus the chances for this are rather faint.

Anyway, there is one setup that has been proven to be capable of collecting energy from the vacuum, it's named the Casimir device (https://phys.org/news/2017-04-harness-mysterious-casimir-tiny-devices.html) (the only scientifically confirmed free energy device). Hence the vacuum contains indeed some energy, but could this be the energy which is - according to Tesla - everywhere present in unlimited quantities and obtainable at any point of the universe? The discrepancy here is that Tesla talks about the cosmic energy, whose central source for the earth is the sun. Then the sun is the source of the vacuum energy? Sounds somewhat strange, so I do not even fully trust those Tesla quotes. Also of interest, Tesla died in 1943, whereas Casimir predicted this effect named after him in 1948. Therefore, in theory, Tesla should not have known anything about the Casimir effect. But maybe he did know something about it, albeit (and of course) not calling it the Casimir effect (actually not calling it anything).

The Casimir setup consists of two parallel metallic (conductive) plates close to each other only nanometers apart. A force coming from space - the quantum vacuum fluctuations of the electromagnetic field - pushes those metallic plates together due to the difference in wave length of the electromagnetic field between the plates and outside the plates. Then what happens to this force if those plates are immovable like the two plates of a capacitor? Will this force then - under certain conditions - reveal itself by generating an electric field - or disturbing an already existing one - and thus generate a voltage between these two plates? What could happen if a Tesla secondary coil is wound bifilar, so it can work as a capacitor and as a coil at once? Or the secondary Tesla coil represent one plate (of the Casimir setup) and a shielding surrounding that coil the second one, only nanometers apart?

Again, no idea. But it could be a start to get something real.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on April 10, 2018, 09:40:49 PM
Zeitmaschine


Do not forget about Hubbard  ;)
Look how he named it. The source of energy is known for more then 100 years. The dark ages we live in, the dark ages.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on April 11, 2018, 04:20:23 PM
Another anecdote; nothing concrete, no evidence for nothing. The device, as usual, disappeared mysteriously, no replication since a century, no hint how Hubbard could have come across this in the first place. He must have been a genius.

And isn't it interesting that overunity is always claimed by single (maybe sometimes two) ordinary persons? Overunity is never claimed by scientific facilities like universities or by large established companies. We should think about that. It is always THE ONE that »has it«.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on April 11, 2018, 04:34:52 PM
Another anecdote; nothing concrete, no evidence for nothing. The device, as usual, disappeared mysteriously, no replication since a century, no hint how Hubbard could come across this in the first place. He must have been a genius.


Hubbard device was carefully investigated by many and especially one trusted professor, who stated that it is not a perpetual motion device-  but a converter of Earth magnetic field - again the same way described it Hendershot. The source is known almost from Faraday days - it is the same source which rotate the Earth and forms magnetic field around us - thus the name "atmospheric electricity generator". The "ether" is Earth magnetic field.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: truesearch on April 11, 2018, 05:06:35 PM
Quote
The source is known almost from Faraday days


Now if we could successfully duplicate that design and consistently get results we'd be onto something . . . .  ;D
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Acca on April 12, 2018, 09:06:31 AM
 Zeitmaschine I see your frustration in that long post like you, I have a design that is really good and that operates in mechanical aspect, as I have studied Akula, Ruslan, Kapanadze too…. The only explanation is the conversion of matter into energy like a sealed carbon dioxide laser where the gas is converted into energy as it simply disappears from a sealed gas tube through the use and it has to be re-charged later. Gustave Le-Bonn broke a sacred law about energy conversion in his physics books as there is conversion of matter in the energy and it is nuclear, in origin. Ferrite iron is that source and the yoke was that material which provides very small consumption of an isotope of iron in that conversion maybe with cobalt as a secret ingredient in that effect. I have posted on this many times and it just blew away … away….
 
I no longer engage here,  I am slammed by resident trolls for posting my thoughts.. as I will not answer stupid questions, as they take up my time. and life is way too short to do that … I  am NOT a TEACHER…

 
Acca..
 
Ps I am doing a build up for a patent as that is the only way I will get anywhere with patent morons.. who believe that there is no free energy.. just plan bull …you see…


Space is -455 F. and Earth is +60 F. (average) and that is "Hell" on earth in terms of heat as electromagnetic radiation from the Sun. Soo... where is free energy ? it's here..

In your face !!

 [/font]
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Belfior on April 12, 2018, 05:15:31 PM
Conservation of energy is a concept that not many understand. It means all the energy was created at the same instant the universe was created. So it is already here and you just need to transform it.

Atoms convert it into motion all the time. Water cycle on Earth uses that energy every day. Magnets perform work when they stay on my fridge door and do not fall due to gravity.

Now you tell me it is not there?!?

We know it is there. The scientists are telling us it is there. What this tells me that our methods are poor and maybe biased by the ones that write the books, educate our engineers and sell us electricity.

The only way to hide this is in plain sight, because everything in Nature is simple and beautiful. You are not asking the right questions, because you are taught not to ask them. You have missed the process already when you start your research.

btw. Moray had scientists and engineers examine his box and give written letters to prove, that there were no batteries. Also worked in the desert. So don't say Kapanadze and Moray are the same

"Dr Eyring found no fault with the demonstration and the worst that he could say about it was that it might be induction, but that if I would take the device out in the mountains away from all power lines, a distance of 3 or 4 miles, and it would then operate he would then acknowledge that it could not be induction and that his theory was wrong and mine right...

At last they decided to go up Emigration Canyon, as there are no power lines in that canyon... All three gentlemen were very well satisfied and pleased with what they saw..."
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: norman6538 on April 12, 2018, 05:25:15 PM
Conservation of energy is a concept that not many understand. It means all the energy was created at the same instant the universe was created. So it is already here and you just need to transform it.


Atoms convert it into motion all the time.

 Water cycle on Earth uses that energy every day.

BUT THE ENERGY FROM THE SUN IS REQUIRED TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.


Magnets perform work when they stay on my fridge door and do not fall due to gravity.

YES A MAGNET WILL DO WORK BY LIFTING METAL BUT THEN ITS STUCK AND TAKES
AS MUCH WORK TO RELEASE THE LIFTED METAL....

I have several cases where magnets do work and are not stuck but everybody wants to
see a self runner and those cases are OU but do not have enough extra to do the switching
on and off of the magnetic work cycle.

Norman



Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: luc2010 on April 14, 2018, 04:24:11 AM
HI,

why, we cant just ' burn ' the aire and collect the enengy?
is there any dengerous gaz?

i know must be a more simple way.

regards
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: norman6538 on April 14, 2018, 03:41:39 PM
Go look at the recent post at radiant_energy in   http://yahoogroups.com
Bruce has an announcement about a 50kw device based on the
Moray device.
Moray lit a bank of light bulbs  for a month with only an aerial and a ground wire.


Pray for his success and for all of us.

Norman
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on April 14, 2018, 08:11:40 PM
Go look at the recent post at radiant_energy in   http://yahoogroups.com (http://yahoogroups.com)
Bruce has an announcement about a 50kw device based on the
Moray device.
Moray lit a bank of light bulbs  for a month with only an aerial and a ground wire.


Pray for his success and for all of us.




Norman
Bruce who ? What took him so long ?[/size]
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: norman6538 on April 14, 2018, 08:38:58 PM
Bruce Perreault - see the yahoo groups radiantenergy.....

Norman
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on April 14, 2018, 08:46:33 PM
Bruce Perreault - see the yahoo groups radiantenergy.....

Norman


Yeah, I was there years ago and there was single circuit discussed able to get only few watts at output. So, I don't believe he can jump from say 5W to 50kW.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: norman6538 on April 15, 2018, 01:43:18 PM

Yeah, I was there years ago and there was single circuit discussed able to get only few watts at output. So, I don't believe he can jump from say 5W to 50kW.

Bruce never revealed the source for big power, he publicly posted a small power
proof of concept device but said more power is possible with some changes.

He deserves a lot of credit for even revealing a small power device and
hanging in there a long time.

Moray was not a fraud and I don't think Bruce is either.
We attended some of his energy conferences and know him personally.

Norman
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: luc2010 on April 15, 2018, 07:46:52 PM
I think Tesla said once we dont need to burn anything for electrical generation!

lets just hope and pray for Bruce  success!!

God Bless Bro

Regards
luc2010
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on April 15, 2018, 09:05:31 PM
Is this the same Bruce Perreault (http://www.teslatech.info/ttstore/conftapes/archives/1999jul/600220.htm) who sells VHS tapes about a radiant energy workshop for $39.95? And no one was able to replicate it and get free energy based on this workshop since 1999?

Then we should pray indeed.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: norman6538 on April 15, 2018, 09:44:33 PM
Is this the same Bruce Perreault (http://www.teslatech.info/ttstore/conftapes/archives/1999jul/600220.htm) who sells VHS tapes about a radiant energy workshop for $39.95? And no one was able to replicate it and get free energy based on this workshop since 1999?

Then we should pray indeed.

Yes it is. He goes by bruceperreault@radioionics.com. He has a patent on part of the process
and along the way he has made improvements. Originally radioactive material like Moray was
involved but not any more. But one thing that has remained the same has been a spark gap.
Lately that spark gap has special materials. I suspect that an unannounced material is what gives the high power.

His downloadable books are a good history read of past radiant energy inventors. But I think
you have be approved to belong to the group to download.

Here is the Yahoo group https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/radiant_energy (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/radiant_energy)

Norman
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on April 16, 2018, 09:40:00 AM
Good luck. I wish someone will soon explain why all those device works or we would blindly follow another guru who can beautifully talk fairy tales
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: NRamaswami on April 16, 2018, 11:05:39 AM
I have seen that a spark coming from a Tesla Coil or Oudin Coil secondary if made to impact on a thick conductor is able to induce significant current in the conductor. I once used a Tester to ascertain if the current is indeed present or not and the Tester glowed as if it is measuring 100 amps.

I think that a high voltage and high frequency spark hitting two different materials can induce high current in the receiving conductor. But how it can happen is beyond my knowledge. I intend to soon demonstrate it on video and put it up. But this is not new.

In Chapter 5 page 62 of of PJK book.. the following is written

"Tesla’s experiments suggest that a method of extracting free-energy is to use a Tesla coil which has a metal spike
instead of the more common metal sphere at the end of the ‘secondary’ coil. If the Tesla coil is fed with
sufficiently short uni-directional pulses and the ‘secondary’ coil pointed at a metal plate, then it should be possible
to draw off serious levels of power from the metal plate, just as Tesla discovered. This has been confirmed by
Don Smith who uses two metal plates separated by a layer of plastic dielectric, forming a capacitor. He states
that a well designed Tesla coil is capable of producing currents as high as the voltages and he demonstrates a
hand-held 28 watt Tesla Coil played on the first plate producing a substantial continuous spark discharge between
the second plate and ground. I estimate that the spark produced would have to be thousands of volts at a
significant current, which puts it in the kilowatt range, like most of Don's other devices. Video:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2820531/don_smith_free_energy/ Don's patent is in Chapter 3 and his .pdf
document here: http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Smith.pdf in which he explains many of his high-power
designs." See http://www.free-energy-info.com/Chapter5.pdf

 
I have done this experiment and what I found is that the Tesla coil secondary when made to impact on a Tester rod creates the impression of a lot of current flowing through the Tester. Since it is high frequency high voltage the frequency jumps to the ground even if it is not connected to the ground.

When I tested the coil was of copper and the receiver was steel. So the high frequency high voltage spark coming from one metal and hitting a different metal seems to be necessary for the higher output than input to mainfest. But it is only an observation made by us.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: norman6538 on April 16, 2018, 02:38:10 PM
  Thank you NRamaswami for your post. It sure is related. I look forward to your
video.
Norman




Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: NRamaswami on April 16, 2018, 06:27:23 PM
I will post within a week. I need my electrical Engineer to come to operate these high voltage machines.

I have used the type of coil called Oudin coil in the experiment I described. The high voltage high frequency circuit is the same. The difference is that in Tesla coil primary and secondary is wound in contra rotating directions. In Oudin coil the direction of rotation is same. In Tesla coil there is no possibility of current or amperage coming out of secondary. In Oudin coil micro amps of current can come out but being very high frequency it is harmless any way.

You can google for Ramaswami Natarajan wireless Electricity test to see a test we recorded a year back. It is in YouTube. I am unable to post the link from my phone. The aerial in this case was one for multiple wave oscillator. But that was not properly built and we now built a proper aerial. It is a working MWO. Only now I got to know that it can be built much cheaper. 
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: rakarskiy on April 17, 2018, 09:13:21 AM
I wonder who bought the drawings of the generator Kapanadze?
http://birukov.biz/index.php?t=prodaetsya-generator-tariyelya-kapanadze&id=66
Quote
Generator free energy (BTG) Tariyel Kapanadze. The output power of the generator to 3 kW. Voltage 240 V 50 Hz. Starting from the battery, then the battery is disconnected, and the generator operates in standalone mode indefinitely.

Guide for the assembly of the generator with his hands and head
Science teaches us that perpetual motion does not exist. Many people believe this, but not all. A decade ago a simple architect Kapanadze wiped his nose set of academics from physics and in fact raised a wave of BTG-building, inspiring smart people on their own experiments.

Over the years, Kapanadze has become a classic in the field of free energy. He has implemented numerous designs of generators using the same principle of cost-free gain of electrostatics low frequency magnetic field. The magnetic field is a modulation.

Generator Kapanadze was repeated and studied. BTG showed stable operation for a load of 2 kW (electric). Scheme absolutely working, and failure of the installation wholly replication associated with lack of understanding of the principle of operation and, accordingly, the proper setting. Tesla's words that the current through the arrester should be held only in one direction is not just a phrase, but a guide to action.

At first glance, the generator is not very convenient because it is used arrester, but as practice shows, the arrester in such constructions are much more durable and reliable semiconductors.

It is natural for the said bag you never ever buy a ready-made device. Sold description generator with detailed explanations of how to make and set the generator by hand. The scheme is simple enough, but the operation she very difficult. Notorious resonance in the resonance, which is already a decade, many people scratching their heads. What are the resonances? What are they doing? How does gain? How to protect the health at work with a generator? Knowing the answers to these questions, you make your own BTG.

By purchasing a description of the free energy Kapanadze generator, you can count on the advice of the assembly move. Sophisticated electronics in the generator does not. Ingeniously simple design, it can be repeated every electrician. If you do not like the price, go to any forum on free energy, and take any favorite scheme for free.

For gifted: description proposed design of the generator, instead of a generator. Do not think that no one except you will not come up with the idea to buy and resell for a ruble for ten. Hitromudroy such "business" every day we have not one. About ready to contact the generator Kapanadze. Phone we do not give Kapanadze because it already "got" guff lovers to profit at the expense of others.

And if you still really want ready, here's a ready-made cheap generators
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Sergh on April 17, 2018, 10:18:47 AM
Your site?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: rakarskiy on April 17, 2018, 10:31:40 AM
Your site?
От какого испуга? Нет.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on April 17, 2018, 05:02:05 PM
I know at least one person who can do it in 2008 and I think he knows principle.It's very sad that this knowledge is secretly used to rise money or maybe sell fake dreams instead of being used to solve critical problem of increasing human energy and climate change and pollution ...  >:(  ah, I forgot about Barbosa and Leal and Philippine inventors. btw could someone translate videos from Portuguese ? I feel that they talked about principle....
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Tynoo on April 17, 2018, 11:51:53 PM
I know at least one person who can do it in 2008 and I think he knows principle.It's very sad that this knowledge is secretly used to rise money or maybe sell fake dreams instead of being used to solve critical problem of increasing human energy and climate change and pollution ...  >:(  ah, I forgot about Barbosa and Leal and Philippine inventors. btw could someone translate videos from Portuguese ? I feel that they talked about principle....

Hi Forest!
I can translate,send me by personal message or other way!

Tynoo
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: luc2010 on April 18, 2018, 06:02:17 PM
who?

Any ways, heres the only secret:

1- Go to the source ( Nikola Tesla patents, writings... )
2- Make your own questions
3- Experiments (HV / HF  not needed at this stage) keep working SAVE and simple!!
4-Go to step 1 until you have it
5-END.

since Now You Have it!! even better you can write your own ticket!!

rgds
luc2010
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Zeitmaschine on April 22, 2018, 12:30:05 PM
And what if Tesla also didn't had it? Is there any hard evidence that Tesla ever developed a free energy device, except the questionable story about his electric car?

Where to look for that free energy? Is there an aether? If there is one (and I think there is one), then does it contain energy? If it indeed contains energy, then does that aether contain just a bit of energy (Casimir) or rather a lot of energy (Tesla)?

Or maybe that free energy cannot be found in the aether at all, but in the Earth? Is the Earth the negative pole of a giant capacitor whose positive pole is the sun? If so, then how to make use of the energy stored in an ordinary capacitor, without making a connection to the positive pole, just connecting to the negative side? An idea?

Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on April 22, 2018, 03:19:48 PM
Yes, There is evidence. Tesla spoken one or two times about it. After they burned his lab in 1895 he become quiet about this except some not confirmed stories and some mystic comments.
One time he said about the method of obtaining energy directly from ambient (which was mistakenly recognized as solar panels) second one he commented about Clemente Figuera )
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on April 22, 2018, 03:21:11 PM
Translate Barbosa&Leal videos. They explained some part of mystery...
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Tynoo on April 22, 2018, 08:35:21 PM
Hi Forest!
Ok,I will do! I will give the news soon.

"For a greener and blue planet"..

Tynoo
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: tomd on April 23, 2018, 05:25:05 AM
Yes, There is evidence. Tesla spoken one or two times about it. After they burned his lab in 1895 he become quiet about this except some not confirmed stories and some mystic comments.
One time he said about the method of obtaining energy directly from ambient (which was mistakenly recognized as solar panels) second one he commented about Clemente Figuera )

Clemente Figuera - cemf suppression.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: NRamaswami on April 23, 2018, 02:29:01 PM
  Thank you NRamaswami for your post. It sure is related. I look forward to your
video.
Norman

Here is the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=593u5Uncg9c

We have tested the Tesla coil or Oudin Coil of Multiple Wave Oscillator. White is spark from secondary wire tip and red is Tester glow.

Tester shows current. But there is no current in the incandesant lamp. Lamp connected to Tester.

Again there is no current in lamp when the spark is made to hit the wire going to the lamp.

Tester is cool to touch after the experiment. It is not clear how Tester is showing current to be present in the circuit.

Even if the Tester is shown to the field without the spark hitting the Tester the Tester glows. We are not able to understand.

I wanted to connect the wire to a capacitor so we can check if Capacitor can provide output but Electrical Engineer refused that it is very risky. So we did not do it. Though the high voltage is at high frequency we are not willing to take excessive and uncalculated risks.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: NRamaswami on April 23, 2018, 02:36:16 PM
We have also checked a concept similar to Thane Heins concept. It just does not work.

The dummy secondary coil works but the Tertiary that has no direct connection to the primary just does not work. I have spent money and four man days and found it to be waste.

To the contrary if the primary is surrounded by two secondaries one inside the primary and one outside both of them work and the efficiency is very close to 100%. But the output is not sufficient for us to say that the system can be made to run on its own.

These are things that can be verified by any one easily.
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Tynoo on May 04, 2018, 07:17:26 PM
Translation Barbosa/Leal videos
 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99aikDvhgtA
and  outhers....

-They discovered a new natural source of energy .
- Principle of operation of the equipment is electromagnetism .
- "energy supplied by the earth's electromagnetic field, that you can get instantly to do   work, the occurrence occurs through the interaction of the electric field forces ;electromagnetic and gravitational.
-The device produces an electromagnetic field, powered by the electricity company, the captor is connected between the home power and the earth grid; resulting in a high power current .
- Go against the laws of Lenz.
- They show 3 devices, the small one - input 21 W and output 6000W with only earth wire .
The first one supply the second .

Tynoo
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: forest on May 04, 2018, 11:30:06 PM
Translation Barbosa/Leal videos
 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99aikDvhgtA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99aikDvhgtA)
and  outhers....

-They discovered a new natural source of energy .
- Principle of operation of the equipment is electromagnetism .
- "energy supplied by the earth's electromagnetic field, that you can get instantly to do   work, the occurrence occurs through the interaction of the electric field forces ;electromagnetic and gravitational.
-The device produces an electromagnetic field, powered by the electricity company, the captor is connected between the home power and the earth grid; resulting in a high power current .
- Go against the laws of Lenz.
- They show 3 devices, the small one - input 21 W and output 6000W with only earth wire .
The first one supply the second .

Tynoo


Where is translated video ?
Title: Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
Post by: Tynoo on May 05, 2018, 06:17:51 PM
They talk very little about how the captor works !!!!!
Some Brazilian replicators speak more in-depth.Start by the device with only transformer.
The core tranformer is solid and non-laminated iron.
Their  system is the spin-off from Tesla transformer method. By applying special EMF force on the closed loop we give them a small kick time after time they move along the surface gaining speed. when there is plenty of them they find a better way to dissipate their kinetic energy through the load to ground where they become dormant again.
I'm personally interested and I'm going replication the device.

Regards