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Author Topic: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy  (Read 62974 times)

Offline forest

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #75 on: January 08, 2018, 09:52:24 PM »
Read video comment - very true

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #76 on: January 09, 2018, 01:04:20 AM »
Hi Forest. Melnichenko's video is interesting, but unfortunately he didn't show
measuring the power being consumed in the two bulbs, so there is no way
to know if the power consumed by the two bulbs is really greater than
the input power. Since the bulbs are being powered by the flyback spikes,
and it is a high frequency such as 2 kHz or whatever, it would not be so easy at all
to measure the power consumption in the two bulbs accurately. Since Melnichenko
did not show how he measured the power consumption in the two bulbs, you just have
to take his word for it that the total power consumption of the bulbs is greater than
the input power. It is still an interesting setup though.

All the best...


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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #77 on: January 09, 2018, 03:08:14 AM »
if you look in the direction the lady is taking pictures
You see a clip-on a/c meter on the mains


and the second bulb goes through an analog ammeter


It doesn’t show the readings in the you-tube translation
We should seek the full version of his documentary
If we want that visual. (not that it should matter much)
as Void pointed out, the accuracy is almost non-existent


It’s difficult to calculate these interactions.
it is an asymmetric magnetic field.
The Maxwell-Faraday equation can deal with this,
but it is not as straight forward as a coil and an inductor,
or a coil and magnet.


the field density is different on one side than the other,
and we have to deal with the second magnetic field.
(and the tension caused by this)


and what this does to the electric induction.
instantaneous current through one end of the coil,
is not the same as through the other end,
each loop of the wire must be calculated with the
appropriate field dynamics, at that location along the wire.






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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #77 on: January 09, 2018, 03:08:14 AM »
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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #78 on: January 09, 2018, 03:09:26 AM »
H.R. Johnson’s work deals with this exclusively

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #79 on: January 09, 2018, 09:04:45 AM »
This is the reason any respectable OU setup needs to be self running. There can be no "switch charging battery with the load battery every 15 minutes" or any other kinda bullshit that can be interpreted what ever way people want.

If the device is self running it doesn't matter if there is 0 meters on it or if the device runs on 2MHz. Self running with a light bulb on top of the pile. That's it.

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #80 on: January 09, 2018, 01:21:03 PM »
 ;D

Only the user stivep1 is missing, then we are all there

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #81 on: January 09, 2018, 01:40:06 PM »
This is the reason any respectable OU setup needs to be self running. There can be no "switch charging battery with the load battery every 15 minutes" or any other kinda bullshit that can be interpreted what ever way people want.

If the device is self running it doesn't matter if there is 0 meters on it or if the device runs on 2MHz. Self running with a light bulb on top of the pile. That's it.
Did you say a blue light' on the top, I think I have seen something like that on the TV if it's of any consalation bbc i think was the channel, that was a self runner once the big red button was pressed.

Seriously Belfior are you working on a device like you mention or is it a wish list ?  I luv a good joke it lightens up the thread a good bit so I see your point.

Strange you mention 2MHz have you come across the new release of 555 timers they are mega fast by NS NTC7555 the few I have have no trouble hammering away at over 3MHz if your into experimenting, that is past for a RT mono would make it possible to make a NANO pulser with one.

On a serious note what you have to realize N Tesla didn't have nano pursers in the 20 or 50s they had to use a spark gap unless you read and think out side the box hidden stuff can go unnoticed.
Allen

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #82 on: January 09, 2018, 01:46:28 PM »


Seriously Belfior are you working on a device like you mention or is it a wish list ?  I luv a good joke it lightens up the thread a good bit so I see your point.


Yes I am seriously working on a device.

TK did not have any serious equipment. I think the effect was found without any fancy components like transistors.

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #83 on: January 09, 2018, 03:04:00 PM »
Hi Wottsup,

In an LC circuit, we either have series resonance where the current maximises at the expense of voltage, or parallel resonance where voltage maximises at the expense of current. Neither of them offer an increase in overall output power with respect to the level source power. Looking at it in terms of energy sourced and expended, we just add time to the equation. Are you suggesting that by somehow layering voltage, we can overcome this relationship?

@Happy

Yes, we all know many things because we have tried them. But this part I don't think has been looked at. Using the HV AC time cycle and calculate when to chop a portion of the rise going up and the rise going down. Base 50hz in the case of TK.

So again in the green box setup, if TK supplied 12vdc car battery to his inverter box then provides the 220 VAC at 50Hz base cycle timing to the green box. On the box you have two mosfets and two toggle switches plus a spark gap. We know the inverter only at 220 VAC cannot provide the spark to the spark gap so there has to be a voltage rise in the green box and we know the primary of that HV coil can run just by receiving the AC of the inverter as the base timing.

But what I think is this. In the green box you have two HV tranformers where the primaries are connected in parallel to the inverter output via the 2nd activated toggle switch. One of the two HV outputs goes through the spark gap then through one of the mosfets, while the output of the 2nd HV coil goes directly to the other mosfet. The 2nd toggle switch simply connects a pulse circuit to the two bases of the mosfets. In order to prevent component failure, you absolutely have to toggle the switch to start the mosfet base pulsing first before you toggle the 2nd switch to apply 220 to the HV primaries.

So let's say the HV output is 4800 volts and we know the voltage measured at the bulbs was about 600 volts (can't remember precisely but that is not important now). The rise in AC voltage will be 4800 volts in a 1/4 cycle up and a 1/4 cycle down of the 50Hz base cycle provided by the inverter. So you are basically working at a 2nd base of 200Hz. Now 4800 volts divided by 600 volts output equals 8, so if your mosfets were chopping the HV output at 1600Hz, you should get 600 volts directly across those bulbs without ever needing the TK coil. Having two mosfets doing the same thing will provide 16 times more amperage at the 600 volts then the amperage of the HV output alone. That should be enough to start lighting up bulbs.

He then connected the primary of that second canned transformer rectifier to the 600 volts output to bring it down to 14 volts rectified DC in order to charge the car battery and then run the system with the battery removed.

So I always try to look at anything out of the box. Chopping HV is out of the box. The two mosfets chopping probably slightly out of phase then fed back together to one load.

The greatest error all Standard EE (SEE) followers working in OU research is very simple. We then need to clarify where the energy is coming from and in the SEE realm, the only base construct you have to work with is electrons and fields. You will never explain this or any other OU device with electrons and fields. So OUers will say things like;

"The ground connection draws in electrons" because we have to justify from where more electrons will come and from there you get caught up in an endless maze of illogical premises of cause and effect that will turn your head in the wrong direction.

This is where my Spin Conveyance theory can explain it without electrons and fields since in SC those two are non existent. This has put back the sanity in cause/effect descriptions and provides the groundwork for OU to become a normal result of hyper activated nuclei in each of the copper atoms of the apparatus.

I though of an analogy for SEE versus SC. If you have a moving car, the SEE person will ask "How can that car move on its own? Where are the new nuts and bolts entering and exiting the car to keep it intact and moving.". The SC person will say "No problem, all the nuts and bolts are already in the car and there is no need for the car to exchange more nuts and bolts with an outside source." This means in SC the effect is built in to the copper atom nuclei already part of the device so you do not need electrons entering or exiting. You just needs to learn how to excite the copper atom nuclei so eventually you can train them to take a small conveyance and convince those output wires that they are under a large conveyance.

Since we always run our loads with one output source and we always see losses because from the feed supply to the output our system designs include the losses, we try to figure out to obtain OU, we need to attract electrons from somewhere else but in SC we just do away with all that notion and put the total onus on the copper nuclei that can sway a few or many degrees and can convey that sway down the line to the output. This puts the OUer in full control of the cause and the effect and not relegate 90% of what we do to fields and electrons.

A rock falling into water will produce OU. That first water upwell of small diameter grows and expands as the wave gets further from the drop point. No new water was required to enter the upwell to produce it. All the water is already there and the initial upwell water is not moving outwards but is in place and just convinces or conveys to more water atoms to upwell, and more and more. That is how OU should be looked at and from there this will provide new way to work to train those atoms to do more then the source.

I could write pages and pages of this but I think I am not here to push SC but to just show that if you modify your cause/effect base notions, working in OU research becomes normal and the task of producing effects becomes more premeditated, controlled, anticipated, targeted and workable, etc.

So from what I have seen in all of the TK devices or in any purported or future OU device, he is causing copper atoms to sway more then the impulse used to sway them. It could be as above which is a reasonable out of the box suggestion where instead of using one output source, you chop two HV sources and combine the outputs that will excite or convey or sway more of the light bulb filament atom nuclei as light or more of the canned step-down transformer primary nuclei to sway more erratically hence produce more output. Under SC a 1 inch secondary wire should be enough to produce OU once we learn how to better convey to those atoms in that 1 inch of wire to output more. But that is another potential method.

Sorry if I no longer can relate to effects under the SEE construct because SC has now taken over the majority of my effect base so I see everything, all of physics now under the SC construct. What is great is whatever measurements you do under SEE can be used under SC. It's just the cause/effect that changes. This year is the year I will bring this out more formally with SC videos, a revised periodical table of elements and other newer developments. I needed the last few years to do some very deep construct destruction but SC now survived everything with flying colors. I now know SC will change the World much more then I could have ever imagined but I still am careful to try a not distract those who are in their creative OU research phases so SC will be introduce slowly, step by step.

wattsup


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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #84 on: January 09, 2018, 03:47:26 PM »
Yes I am seriously working on a device.

TK did not have any serious equipment. I think the effect was found without any fancy components like transistors.
if you look at the first Akula device he shows two coils inverted and shorted and wound on top of each other but in the opposite seance or direction as if shorted, are you not intrigued by this practice ? he also uses this technique in his LED porch lights.

You might be interested in Richard Feynman he is the man!
https://www.ted.com/talks/richard_feynman

Allen

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #85 on: January 09, 2018, 06:58:38 PM »
@Happy

A rock falling into water will produce OU. That first water upwell of small diameter grows and expands as the wave gets further from the drop point. No new water was required to enter the upwell to produce it. All the water is already there and the initial upwell water is not moving outwards but is in place and just convinces or conveys to more water atoms to upwell, and more and more. That is how OU should be looked at and from there this will provide new way to work to train those atoms to do more then the source.

wattsup

Good post Wottsup. Your idea on the operation of TK's green box at least fits what we see happening in the video and most important, it requires minimum components and gets rid of the rather silly (eye candy) grenade coil.

However, I'm not sure about the validity of your SC theory OU water ripples analogy because although I've not thought about it in great depth, as I see it, the volume of water displaced during the initial impact of the rock is progessively less at time intervals after impact. That is to say, although the ripple diameter grows, the depth, or volume of water displaced, progressively reduces and therefore the energy required to produce the expanding ripples progressively reduces, like the attenuation of a bell when struck with its hammer. In both cases there is no addition energy produced above that required to create the effect. The electrical equivalent to this is the resonant peak and its decaying waveform.

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #86 on: January 09, 2018, 08:39:35 PM »
A sort of bubbles in the bath think you might get more energy from the vortex if you just removed the plug and recycled the thermal content out of the water, sounds a bit of a dead ringer to me still each to his own.

Also talking about the grenade coil I have an idea about splitting that it might have a better return with the push pull driver circuitry.

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #87 on: January 10, 2018, 12:57:07 PM »
Energy in every transformer is taken from magnetic field not from the electric field of primary winding, because the secondary is used to control the flux inside the core which control the impedance to the primary source of electric field.
Here Melnichenko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8c82ABs02M
he was close to understand as Kapanadze said.
also here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LLPGbf87aU

Hi Forest
About your statement, i think you limit yourself by noticing only the magnetic field as an energy storage place when it comes with transformers or inductors in general. There is also another storage mechanism namely dielectric which has the same importance as the magnetic field. Energy goes back and forth between the two forms during each cycle.

Nice videos, thanks for sharing. Is there any chance to explain with few words what he is saying about the gaps across the core?  :)
ps. Just noticed that he has English subtitles. Do you see here that induction is less magnetic and more dielectric?

Regards

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #88 on: January 10, 2018, 02:11:53 PM »
Good post Wottsup. Your idea on the operation of TK's green box at least fits what we see happening in the video and most important, it requires minimum components and gets rid of the rather silly (eye candy) grenade coil.

However, I'm not sure about the validity of your SC theory OU water ripples analogy because although I've not thought about it in great depth, as I see it, the volume of water displaced during the initial impact of the rock is progessively less at time intervals after impact. That is to say, although the ripple diameter grows, the depth, or volume of water displaced, progressively reduces and therefore the energy required to produce the expanding ripples progressively reduces, like the attenuation of a bell when struck with its hammer. In both cases there is no addition energy produced above that required to create the effect. The electrical equivalent to this is the resonant peak and its decaying waveform.


the energy does not go anywhere, it was already sufficient to displace the volume from the impact
to the shore along the surface-plane.
Otherwise the rock would have ‘skipped’, causing partial displacement ripples, or stopped completely
and sank, producing minimal or no ripples.


when the ripples expand radially, yes their amplitude decreases, so across the same circumference
the volume would be decreasing.
However, the thing to notice here, is that the circumference is increasing.
Resulting in an increased volume of displacement, even though the average amplitude is smaller.
This is a simplified example, where nothing disturbes the ripples.


In a more complex situation, the initial ripples can be redirected to cause interference with themselves
And in certain conditions, cause displacement amplitudes greater than the initial impact.
This is due to gravitational forces on the surface of the water.

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #89 on: January 10, 2018, 05:14:41 PM »

However, the thing to notice here, is that the circumference is increasing.
Resulting in an increased volume of displacement, even though the average amplitude is smaller.
This is a simplified example, where nothing disturbes the ripples.


Hi sm0ky2,

Given that I do not see an OU condition here, I would suggest that the volume displacement drops off because although the circumference of the ripples increases, the speed of apparent outward travel slows, resulting in no overall increase is energy gained over that impacted, that could be in some way utilised for work.

 

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