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Author Topic: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy  (Read 57938 times)

Offline Void

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2018, 09:57:06 PM »
Kapanadze has been consistent in saying that the coils are an important part of his device,
and the coils were included in his patent application as well, so that is another indicator that
the coils are important. If Kapanadze's device somehow draws its power from the grid, it seems to
me he wouldn't likely at all have been able to get his device to work when he was taken by boat to
the shore of a randomly chosen remote island by potential investors, and his device still worked. Also,
forget about the Barbosa and Leal devices. They themselves have given up on those devices several years ago
and moved onto other things. All indications are those devices drew their power directly from the grid
via a ground loop, and will not work otherwise.

All the best...




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Offline Hoppy

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #46 on: January 07, 2018, 10:17:11 PM »

If Kapanadze's device somehow draws its power from the grid, it seems to
me he wouldn't likely at all have been able to get his device to work when he was taken by boat to
the shore of a randomly chosen remote island by potential investors, and his device still worked.

All the best...

Good point Void but we cannot be sure that even on that island (which may not have been a random choice) that an energy source was not pre-laid away from the demo location and transmitted somehow through the ground. I recall a post made a few days ago from a guy that had it on good authority that TK was picking up power through the ground from a location away from the device. 

Anyway, I do think that TK did have a genuine secret but that this was not based on free energy. More likely, is that he found a clever way of transmitting energy through the ground  that used the grid as an illegally procurred source and this was the reason that investors may have steered clear of his devices.

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2018, 10:50:02 PM »
Hi Hoppy. The account of that event was that the island was chosen by the potential investors
and Kapanadze didn't know where they were taking him. It seems to me it would be pretty hard for
Kapanadze to have a hidden power source in that case, since he didn't know where he was
being taken. That would have been the whole point for the potential investors to arrange to take
Kapanadze to a destination where Kapanadze didn't know where he was being taken. Since Kapanadze
does not let people inspect the inside of some parts of his devices, then taking him to a remote destination
which Kapanadze didn't know ahead of time and where Kapanadze couldn't have any chance to hide
a hidden power source was actually a pretty good test idea, and in the video clip that was posted you can
see what looks like a Kapanadze type device powering a number of light bulbs while sitting on the rocky island shore.
I can't verify the facts of that account about the island test since I wasn't there, but the video
clip that was previously posted by someone seems to be possibly be from that event.

Kapanadze device island test video clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXLxTjc9m3k


Any claims by some unknown person that Kapanadze uses a hidden power source would not appear
to hold up. That person would also need to provide specific details of how they came up with that info about
Kapanadze, ortherwise it is just more hearsay/speculation to add to the mountain of other speculation and unfounded
claims found in forums like this. :)


All the best...



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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2018, 10:50:02 PM »
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Offline Hoppy

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #48 on: January 07, 2018, 11:03:16 PM »
I should have expanded about the possibly that the choice was not random. How would you attempt to convince real investors by production of a public video, that your device was genuine.  ;)

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #49 on: January 07, 2018, 11:10:26 PM »
I should have expanded about the possibly that the choice was not random. How would you attempt to convince real investors by production of a public video, that your device was genuine.  ;)

Hi Hoppy. I am not following you. If that account about the remote island test is accurate, then
it was the investors who arranged to take Kapanadze to the location of their choice. Their people were
attending the event in person. They weren't watching a video. As the account of the event goes anyway. :)
I wasn't there so I can't personally verify the details however.


All the best...

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #49 on: January 07, 2018, 11:10:26 PM »
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Offline Hoppy

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #50 on: January 07, 2018, 11:17:50 PM »
Hi Hoppy. I am not following you. If that account about the remote island test is accurate, then
it was the investors who arranged to take Kapanadze to the location of their choice. Their people were
attending the event in person. They weren't watching a video. As the account of the event goes anyway. :)
I wasn't there so I can't personally verify the details however.


All the best...

Hi Void,

How can we be sure that they were all real investors and not just a hatched plan to lure real investors. Yes I know that this sounds far fetched but TK needed money and people will go to great and risky lengths to obtain it.

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #51 on: January 07, 2018, 11:32:50 PM »
Hi Void,
How can we be sure that they were all real investors and not just a hatched plan to lure real investors. Yes I know that this sounds far fetched but TK needed money and people will go to great and risky lengths to obtain it.

Hi Hoppy. I did not say it was proof of anything. I was just relating what has been posted
in the past about what supposedly happened. Kapanadze's demo in Turkey where the
generator was generating quite a lot of power in front of a lot of people would also be hard to
fake I think unless the Turkish investors which Kapanadze was dealing with at that time were
also part of an elaborate plan to scam everyone.

People can go to some pretty far lengths to try to explain away things, but some of those speculations
seem more far fetched to me than the possibility that Kapanadze's devices might possibly be doing just what
Kapanadze claims and demonstrates they do. That's just me however. Everyone is entitled to their own point of view. :)

All the best...


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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #51 on: January 07, 2018, 11:32:50 PM »
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Online AlienGrey

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #52 on: January 07, 2018, 11:45:28 PM »
lets look at one of TK's devices notice his spark gap, how fast a pulse would you say it takes to start to finish,
what i'm saying is how wide would a pulse be if you were to measure it ?
Next question draw a circuit to emulate it !   8) 8) 8) ;D

recon you can crack it ?

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #53 on: January 08, 2018, 12:09:09 AM »
Hi AG. The sparkgap sparking has appeared different in different Kapanadze demos.
I think it may be a good idea to focus on Kapanadze's 2004 device since that setup
was very basic and may possibly not have had anything much extra added as decoys to try to
throw people off track. In a translation I read of that 2004 video, Kapanadze apparently said
the sparkgap was sparking at 50Hz. As for the spark duration, I don't think you can tell that
from the videos, but from the looks of the sparking in the 2004 video, it was low current.
However, anything Kapanadze has said should be taken with a grain of salt as you never know
when he is being straight and when he might be just trying to throw people off track. There
lies a big problem with trying to decipher what really may be going on in Kapanadze's devices. :)

All the best...



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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #53 on: January 08, 2018, 12:09:09 AM »
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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #54 on: January 08, 2018, 12:49:28 AM »
A fresh approach to the mystery maybe.

Yes agreed, the TK coil winding is very likely eye candy.

Yes agreed, the output is probably pulsed.

A MOT is perhaps the easiest and cheapest means (scrap yard build) of producing the HV.

However, what is the source of energy? If its from the grid, then we have a place to start. If so, do we assume that the grid current is supplied from a remote location to the device? If not, what is the source of energy local / within the device?

Could TK have sent the HV over very thin cable from a remote location?

To minimise energy consumption whilst producing highest lumen bulb output levels, do we need the HV to ionise the gas in the bulbs?? Has anyone experimented with pulsed HV transformed from the grid, directly applied to incandescent lamps at various pulse rates?

@Happy

At this stage the power source in not important. We already know that pulsing a HV transformer at the primary resonance and sometimes at the secondary resonance will consume the least amount of energy plus we also know that at resonance the secondary usually outputs at its highest voltage. The idea is to take that voltage and cut it down to usable volts while layering the voltage so the amperage increases as well. Think of it like a mosfet step down transformer without the transformer.

There are not 10 principles of the Green Box. Usually it take a lifetime just to find one principle let alone two or more. So the whole TK device is not working because of many variables. He is putting in all those extra dodads just to keep you off his track.

About patents TK or other, forget it. He would never put his secret in a patent because a patent is a business tool, not a knowledge tool. No inventor will divulge everything in any type of OU patent.  They will always keep the real function out of it and use the patent as an investor tool. Some inventors will even patent non working devices just to get their name out there so that if someone else ever worked a real device, they could use the patent to get compensation. But that is not a guarantee.

Research in OU is like research in everything else. You try one angle and see if it leads to other angles and from there you begin to make a portrait of the effects you want and one day bingo, you get it. TK obviously did not invent a knew way to produce high voltage. We can see that in the device @stivep saw when he was in Georgia. It had a pretty standard HV device showing. He did not invent a new spark gap. We saw that as well. The only thing I can think of is he is cutting the high voltage into manageable voltage levels hence the two toggle switches on the Green Box. The other TK devices use a 9v starter voltage. So can you start pulsing a HV primary with only 9 volts and loop it so it grows on itself. Yes you can and if the primary is taking less energy because it is in resonance and if the secondary HV can be cut down to produce more volt/amps/watts then what the primary is consuming, then there is a chance it could work.

wattsup




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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #55 on: January 08, 2018, 01:32:31 AM »
About patents TK or other, forget it. He would never put his secret in a patent because a patent is a business tool, not a knowledge tool. No inventor will divulge everything in any type of OU patent.  They will always keep the real function out of it and use the patent as an investor tool. Some inventors will even patent non working devices just to get their name out there so that if someone else ever worked a real device, they could use the patent to get compensation. But that is not a guarantee.

Hi wattsup. No one suggested Kapanadze's patent applications contained all details or that
all was accurate, but the fact that he makes the coils an important part of the patent applications
would certainly seem to imply that they are an important part of his device. If Kapanadze's patent
applications did not represent in some sort of reasonable way the actual device and principle
behind it, then someone could patent or produce Kapanadze's devices without the coils and Kapanadze's
patent applications would be useless to protect him. :)

At any rate Kapanadze's patent application were just too vague to ever have a chance of being
approved anyway, IMO. You can't tell from his patent applications what the heck he is exactly patenting
except that it has some coils and supposedly does some sort of current magnification. Patent applications
have to be a lot more detailed than that to have a chance of being approved unless the patent examiner
is taking bribes or they are a drunk. :)

All the best...

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #55 on: January 08, 2018, 01:32:31 AM »
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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #56 on: January 08, 2018, 03:47:07 AM »
Regarding Barbosa and Leal

Barbosa goes by the name Nilson da Ampere on the internet. I do not think he is on Twitter anymore but you can tweet him @NilsonAmpere. They both have started a new company and have added a 3rd partner. Name of the company is Evolucoes Hidrogas and the website is http://evolucoeshidrogas.com.br/web/english/

This new company has found a way to create hydrogen gas from water using no electricity.

-Core

Side note: This patent is cited in the Barbosa and Leal patents (The electricity-generating circuit WO 2007019869 A1) what is interesting is the author uses the term converter and not transformer.

https://www.google.com/patents/WO2007019869A1?cl=en

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #57 on: January 08, 2018, 09:37:53 AM »
TK device is something so simple he is very paranoid about even showing it to people for close inspection. There is no other reason why he would add crap to his devices like old TV back panels under everything and paint the components black.

He got the idea from a multi phase transformer so the device is something like primary, secondary in resonance feeding back to the driver like a slayer circuit and then load coil on the same ferrite. Maybe the load coil is open ended and going to a load and the other side of the load to the ground. He wasn't using much components.

What I don't get is how he gets the 50Hz output if he uses a spark gap. The timing is not that presise

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #58 on: January 08, 2018, 10:33:25 AM »
@Happy

At this stage the power source in not important. We already know that pulsing a HV transformer at the primary resonance and sometimes at the secondary resonance will consume the least amount of energy plus we also know that at resonance the secondary usually outputs at its highest voltage. The idea is to take that voltage and cut it down to usable volts while layering the voltage so the amperage increases as well. Think of it like a mosfet step down transformer without the transformer.

wattsup

Hi Wottsup,

In an LC circuit, we either have series resonance where the current maximises at the expense of voltage, or parallel resonance where voltage maximises at the expense of current. Neither of them offer an increase in overall output power with respect to the level source power. Looking at it in terms of energy sourced and expended, we just add time to the equation. Are you suggesting that by somehow layering voltage, we can overcome this relationship?

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #59 on: January 08, 2018, 10:49:36 AM »

Everyone is entitled to their own point of view. :)

All the best...

Yes indeed Void! However, I think to be fair to Wottsup, we now need to direct the conversation to a technical discussion about how TK may have achieved a self-running device along the lines Wottsup is suggesting.

 

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